Does anyone know anything about a book by John Wayland called Germanna: Outpost of Adventure 1714-1956 I was just down at the library of congress researching copyright status on Dr. Waylands many history books (mostly about the Shenandoah Valley) and noticed this short (102 page) booklet on Germanna written in 1956 with an expired copyright. I don't usually reprint short books like this but with the quality and stature of Dr. Wayland's research and the subject matter I thought it might be worth trying to find a copy and reprinting it. Does anyone know anything about it? It was reprinted once in 1979 but that was apparently a small run as only one used copy is listed for sale, and that at $25. I have a copy of his 1909 German Element of the Shenandoah Valley that was actually his doctral thesis and several others by him on Harrisonburg, Shenandoah county, Rockingham Co., etc. Paul Redden www.yesterbooks.com

There is a James Rogers listed as military appointee - clerk of court for one year in 1870; there are six seperate John Smith's listed although one is John A. W. Smith, one John P. Smith and one Capt John Smith; another list member asked about Spicer. An Alban Smith Payne used the synonym Nicholas Spicer to publish several others. He was born in 1822 at 'Granville" in Fauquier County and died in 1891. "His personal strength was legendary and his knocking down of a bully named Patterson at a medical convention in richmond, was the origin of the sly line, "Who Struck Billy Patterson?" His sporting memoirs of Fauquier make up a mahor portion of a biography of Dr. PPayne by Frederick W. Franck. There is also mention of several Grigsby family members including Alexander 208 Elizabeth Butler, 268 John, 268 Mr. 128 Nathaniel, 268 Samuel, 85 William, 268 page 268 is a discussion of the Jackson Farm on Rt 691 near Marshall that was originally the Grigsby Farm "It is not clear whether John Grigsby or his son Nathaniel was the first owner of this land but it passed next to Nathaniel's son William, who married Jane King, daughter of George King, a Revolutionary Soldier. Their daughter, Elizabeth Butler Grigsby, married Captain John Farrow Jackson of Prince William county and they were the parents of five children, ...." p208 is a discussion on "Pilgrims Rest" on Rt 600 near New Baltimore that was at one time owned by Alexander Grigsby. hope this helps, Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas and Sandra Stephens" <twssls@flash.net> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:01 PM Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Lookups in Fauquier Book > Paul, please check the index for: > > Rogers > Smith (John B.) > Spicer > Grigsby > > Many thanks, > Sandra > > > ==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Does anyone know of a bookstore around Warrenton or elsewhere around Fauquier County that might be interested in carying one or two of my reprints? I've been selling some online on ebay, etc. but need to start selling more if I want to keep going. Preferably a bookstore that specializes in old history, genealogy,etc as that is the kind of book I'm printing. Not a big market for most general purpose bookstores but a local gift shop in a historical district might be perfect. Especially for something like the bicentenial 1959 "Fauquier County, Virginia 1759-1959" or the 1938 "Legends of Loudoun" by Williams which both have large sections on old houses and estates in their respective counties. Also, for individuals, I'm looking to borrow "out-of-copyright" history and genealogy books in exchange for reprints of your choice (preferably books that aren't available at a reasonable cost from other reprinters but not necessarily). I have several that haven't been advertised yet for Culpeper, Augusta, Shenandoah, Frederick Counties, etc.. I make a digital copy using a planetary scanner with a book cradle so the original isn't damaged and I can then make paperback reprints to order in about a half an hour to an hour's time. Paul Redden www.yesterbooks.com

Paul, please check the index for: Rogers Smith (John B.) Spicer Grigsby Many thanks, Sandra

Here is a forward of Paul's suggestion. Thank you, Paul..! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Redden" <paulredden@hotmail.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: [VAFAUQUI] using free on-line sattelite images to locate old property lines >I was just reminded of a technique I've used effectively to match old deeds >and surveys to current maps to help find our ancestors property in rural >areas. Many people understand that the names of the roads change over time >but don't realize that the location of the streets change also as do >property lines when adjacent properties are consolidated or subdivided. >Years ago Microsoft put together a free prototype web site called >terraserver at http://terraserver.microsoft.com (not terraserver.com which >is a pay for service knock-off). > > This site has sattelite or aerial photography of most of the United States > that is correlated to topographical maps which have current streets and > buildings, etc. marked on them. You can pan or zoom in on either map and > then click a button and switch to the other. If you know what to look > for the photographs will clearly show both the old and new boundaries. > The clues to look for are shadows and lines of trees and other vegetation > that grow along fences. Roads that have been removed also show clearly > since the ground was often leveled with ditches along the sides that will > show up as shadows and continuous indentations along the ground. I have > seen instances where you could not tell a road had been there when you > were at the actual site but when looking from above it is very clear and > lines up perfectly with the early surveys. > > Paul Redden > www.yesterbooks.com

here is the message and site I posted earlier ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Redden To: VASHENAN-L@rootsweb.com ; vafauqui-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:07 PM Subject: using free on-line sattelite images to locate old property lines I was just reminded of a technique I've used effectively to match old deeds and surveys to current maps to help find our ancestors property in rural areas. Many people understand that the names of the roads change over time but don't realize that the location of the streets change also as do property lines when adjacent properties are consolidated or subdivided. Years ago Microsoft put together a free prototype web site called terraserver at http://terraserver.microsoft.com (not terraserver.com which is a pay for service knock-off -- but possibly using more detailed commercial sattelite info including infrared). This site has sattelite or aerial photography of most of the United States that is correlated to topographical maps which have current streets and buildings, etc. marked on them. You can pan or zoom in on either map and then click a button and switch to the other. If you know what to look for the photographs will clearly show both the old and new boundaries. The clues to look for are shadows and lines of trees and other vegetation that grow along fences. Roads that have been removed also show clearly since the ground was often leveled with ditches along the sides that will show up as shadows and continuous indentations along the ground. I have seen instances where you could not tell a road had been there when you were at the actual site but when looking from above it is very clear and lines up perfectly with the early surveys. Paul Redden www.yesterbooks.com

Thank you, Paul, for the kind offer. Would there be any BUSSEY or HURT folk? Thanks, again. Paul Haynes Ann Arbor, MI

Thank you for the offer. Do you have any Lamkins listed in your book. Thanks. Helen

Hi Paul, Could you look up a John Keith who married a Mary Ann Brown. He was born abt 1798/99 and married Mary Ann Brown in 1830. Thank you for you generous offer. Lynn Crowder

Paul, How nice of you to offer to do look-ups. If you don't mind, I'd like to see what the book might have on the EUSTACE family. I thank you very much. Velma

I have a new copy of the Fauquier County, Virginia 1759-1959 book by the Fauquier County Bicentennial committee if anyone would like a lookup. There is a lot of information on old land grants, grist mills, oridinaries, how land was acquired, famous sons, old houses with descriptions and some pictures, a Fauquier chronology, etc... If anyone would like to have me do a quick lookup in the index let me know. Paul www.yesterbooks.com

Barbara, I cannot directly answer your question about Elizabeth Marshall's relationship to Chief Justice John Marshall, but can offer the following, taken from Jean Smith's excellent biography of John Marshall. The oldest identified male Marshall of this line was John Marshall, known as John of the forest, who married Elizabeth Markham in 1722. Marshall family legend as related by Chief Justice Marshall's sister Eliza (Marshall) Colston was that Elizabeth Markham was the step-daughter of Blackbeard the Pirate. John Marshall of the forest and Elizabeth (Markham) Marshall had son Thomas Marshall, their eldest child, and five other children, unnamed in the book. Thomas Marshall married Mary Keith, daughter of James Keith and Mary Isham (Randolph) (Arden) Keith. Mary Isham Randolph eloped at age 16 with an Irish slave overseer Enoch Arden and had a child. The Randolph family found the couple on Elk Island on the James River and killed Arden and the child, driving Mary to near insanity. While recovering, Mary Isham Randolph had an affair with the parish minister James Keith and was caught in flagrante delicto. James was dismissed from his parish, but later married Mary after she had come of age. Thomas Marshall and Mary (Keith) Marshall had eight daughters and six sons: 1. John Marshall, the Chief Justice, born in 1755; 2. Elizabeth (Marshall) Colston, born in 1756; 3. Mary (Marshall) Humphrey, born in 1757; 4. Thomas Marshall, born in 1761; 5. James Markham Marshall, born in 1764; 6. Lucy (Marshall) Ambler, born in 1768; 7. Alexander Keith Marshall, born in 1770; 8. Louis Marshall, born in 1773; 9. Susan (Marshall) McClung; 10. Jane Marshall; 11. Nancy (Marshall) Daveiss; and 12, 13, & 14. Unnamed in the book, but all survived their parents. John Marshall, the Chief Justice, married Mary Willis Ambler and they had the following children: 1. Thomas Marshall, born July 24, 1784; 2. Rebecca Marshall, born on June 15, 1786, and died five days later; 3. Jaquelin Marshall, born c. 1787; 4. Mary Ann Marshall, born on November 24, 1789, and died Aug 1, 1792; 5. John James Marshall, born on Feb 13, 1792, and died on June 10, 1792; 6. Mary Marshall, born c. 1794; 7. John Marshall, born on Jan 13, 1798; and 8. James Keith Marshall, born on Feb 13, 1800. This Jean Smith biography of John Marshall is outstanding and I highly recommend it. The information above indicates that your Elizabeth Marshall, daughter of James P. Marshall, would probably have to have been a granddaughter of one of Chief Justice Marshall's brothers or a descendant of one of his unnamed uncles (if any) to be related to the Justice. In any event, I hope the above helps you in your tracing. Best wishes, Robert N. Grant 15 Campo Bello Court Menlo Park, CA 94025 RNGrant@grantandgordon.com BARBARA BLUM wrote: >Good day, everyone! > >Can anyone tell me if Elizabeth (Betsy) Marshall d/o James P(ede?) Marshall b. 8/11/1808-1810 in Fauquier Co., was related to Justice Marshall? If so, how? > >Betsy married a Balthrope & moved to MO. I am a descendant. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >Barbara >Missouri > > > >==== VAFAUQUI Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed to this list. Feel free to contact >Jim Burgess,list administrator mailto:jim@promobiz.biz >with questions concerning this list! > > >

Marshall Pruit are you still on this list? Perhaps you can verify some information for these folks. Do they know about the book you wrote on the Marshall families? Sue Baldwin ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hdanw@aol.com> To: <VAFAUQUI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:34 PM Subject: Political Graveyard > Occasionally, one can find a biography of a political person, sometimes > flawed, in a website called Political Graveyard. > > This is especially true of US Congressmen [and perhaps women, if the bio is > somewhat current]. Chief Justice Marshall MUST appear in some website. Do > watch out for the biography, note its source, and try to prove any ancestry > which is given for the subject person. > > In one instance, while I was searching for a particular Williams male, the > biography only told me he was a cousin of another Williams male, but the > parent(s) of neither man was given!!!! Back to Square one!! > > Do a google.com search for Political Graveyard and then use your find > button to locate the name(s) you seek. It is a work in progress. > > If you find the website useful, tell others. If it is too seriously flawed, > don't tell others!! > > E.W.Wallace > >

Most of us have ancestors from surrounding counties. I'd like to share a treat from a neighbor to Fauquier Co. Someone posted the following to the Frederick Co, VA List. Today, an R Warnock gave a brief description of the Opequon region of Frederick Co, VA. I've often seen it referenced. One little tidbit which gave me a chuckle. Seems at some point the area was also called "Frogs Eye" Under the name, was a website. I found delightful history and pictures to view and read. There are 3 options within the site which give a bit of its history and each has beautiful pictures of the house and grounds. I thought you might enjoy it also: http://www.GravelSpringsFarm.com Shirley Starks

To all the listers who responded to my query: Thank you, thank you, thank you! The question (is Elizabeth Marshall related to Chief Justice John Marshall?) is still not answered, but I have an abundance of new places to dig for the info. You are the most generous, giving group that I know. Sincerely, Barbara Missouri

Occasionally, one can find a biography of a political person, sometimes flawed, in a website called Political Graveyard. This is especially true of US Congressmen [and perhaps women, if the bio is somewhat current]. Chief Justice Marshall MUST appear in some website. Do watch out for the biography, note its source, and try to prove any ancestry which is given for the subject person. In one instance, while I was searching for a particular Williams male, the biography only told me he was a cousin of another Williams male, but the parent(s) of neither man was given!!!! Back to Square one!! Do a google.com search for Political Graveyard and then use your find button to locate the name(s) you seek. It is a work in progress. If you find the website useful, tell others. If it is too seriously flawed, don't tell others!! E.W.Wallace

Those of you interested in Virginia Genealogy Research may be interested in this URL _http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/uclittle1a.htm_ (http://genealogy.about.com/library/authors/uclittle1a.htm) I did a google.com search for the name of the genealogist-editor-lecturer Barbara Vines Little and up came this website. There links to all sorts of other URLs but, caution, I imagine a lot of them are fee-based. However, one of the more useful newsletters I receive is ancestry.com newsletter, which is free. It generally comes daily (depending upon my ISP) and each day there is a column by a recognized genealogist, full of tips and techniques, etc. Go down to the end of the first screen, and I believe [nothing guaranteed in genealogy or on the internet] and click on newsletter. I am sending this to Fauquier and Culpeper lists and Germanna-Colonies. Suggest you pass this info along--if you think it worthwhile. E.W.Wallace

Not related just passing on information According to information that I found, James Pede Marshall died Oct. 1826 in Frederick Co.. He was married to Susannah Orear [born 5/27/1781 and died 12/1/1868 in Clarke Co., Va. married 11/25/26, 1801] Their children were: George, Benjamin, AMelia born between 1799 & 1822 John born 9/25/1807 and died in Clarked Co. July 1895, his wife was Elizabeth who died April 1874 in Frederick Co., Va. Joannah born March 22, 1809 Melinda born May 26/ 1815 Sarah born about 1823 married William A. Jackson Susan (Isanna) born May 17, 1824 and died June 1921 in Frederick Co., Va, it stated that Susan was married to Balthorpe [could be wrong] Eliza born February 12, 1826 I have no proof of the above information that was submitted to the Family Tree Maker Archives. On my Virginia marriage records I found ELizabeth Marshall married Napoleon B. Balthrope Dec. 12, 1833 in Frederick Co., Va. This family was on the Clarke Co., Va 1850 census, page 176. Betsy is a aka: for ELizabeth July 23, 1850 Census Household#106 Napoleon Balthrope age 44 Farmer [entire family born in Virginia] Elizabeth 39 John W. 14 James M. 13 Benjamin L or T. 11 George R. 10 Thomas S. 8 Cornelia 9 Sarah F. 7 Susan E. 5 Mary A. 1 This household lived just 3rd household away Household# 109 George Orear age 55 Farmer Catherine 52 Harriet 27 Mary E. 17 Susan C. 12 Thought maybe this could be the brother of Susannah Orear who married James Pede Marshall. Also Sept 1850 Charlotte, Va. Charlotte Division Household #698 page 46 James P. Marshall age 57 occupation Planter ELizabeth 55 Nannie 36 Joel N. Merchant Thomas 22 Schoolmaster Lucy 15 Benjamin W. 12 Richard W. Gaines 38 Physician Sarah C. Gaines 28 Benjamin M. Masdey 12 Sorry for the messy email. I did this without the background format that I was using. Hope this helps. June cpzb4@aol.com

On the 1850 census Charlotte Division, Charlotte, Va. is listed page 47 Household #704 John Marshall age 67 Planter & Lawyer real estate value 17,200 born in Charlotte. Could be the brother to James P. Marshall, close in area and age. These are the heads of household "Marshall's" in Charlotte Division of Charlotte, Va. for 1850 and the census page next to their name Charlotte Co. Benjamin W. 52 Hunter H. 58 James P. 46 John 47 John H. 43 John P. 47 Mary 40 Robert 43 Thomas R. 58 William M. 43 Clarke County, Va. 1850 census 12th District Alexander Marshall page 208 Frederick Co, Va. 1850 Census Middletown page 327 Thomas T. Marshall

The lady looking for Marshall info might want to look at this web site: http://www.geocities.com/mckyrbnsn/lines/marshall/rush/ May not be of any help, but might answer her question about relationship to John Marshall, Chief Justice. Sandra