Need some BURKE help. Below John Burke is my line and they were from around Culpeper. I have a will for John Burke m. to Elizabeth Sweney. (Sweeney) He names his sons: eldest son John T. Burke William H. Burke (married Lucy Amiss, d/o James Amiss & Rebecca Tapp) Robert P. Burke Richard Burke daughters: Nancy F. Mary S. Patsy A. beloved wife Elizabeth dated 9 Jul. 1855. Would anyone happen to have this same Burke line and know who the JOHN BURKE might be in below record of 1817? Thanks, Amanda Context Extract Death James B. Burwell died at the end of 1811 Defendant John R.F. Corbin; Peter C. Rice; John Jones; Murphy & Scott; Wm. Murphy; Saml. Scott; David Castleman; Joseph Janney; William Forrester (sheriff); John B. Tildon (sheriff); John Belfield; William McDonald & Son; Harrison Ball; Thomas Yerby; Charles Jones Family James Burwell - brother of Bacon Burwell Family James B. Burwell - nephew of Bacon Burwell Locality Frederick Co.; Berkeley Co.; Richmond Co.; Northhampton Co.; Essex Co. Plaintiff Bacon Burwell Slave Peter; Bob; Gabriel; Lucy & child William; Betsy Slave Abraham - property of John Burke Slave Bartlett - property of David Castleman Administrative Information Record title Burwell vs Corbin Year recorded 1817 Collection CR-SC-H Record ID 12-18

Ginny, Yes, you've hit the nail on the head. I have that will and I was totally frustrated because I knew they were there but couldn't put the pieces of the puzzle together and I know others on the list had researched this family. Thank you for making it clear to me. Libby In a message dated 12/8/2007 10:40:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hey Libby. It appears John and Dinah inherited land in Prince William Co VA from Dinah's father, William Allen. They would have moved shortly after the will was probated, would be my guess, 12 May, 1741, Source; Abstracts of Wills, Administrations, and Marriages of Fauquier Co VA, 1759-1800, by J. Estelle Stewart King, 1986. Wills from Misc. Court Orders, Fauquier Co William Allen 16 Aug 1739 12 May 1741 Of Stafford Co. Overwharton Parish. Mentions land left by Margaret Janaway, dec'd, unto her Grandchildren, William and Margaret Lunsford [brother and sister]. Wife; Margaret Allen. Legatees; John Crump, Sarah Walton [dau.], to have slaves. Grandson; William Walton [son of William]. Granddaughter; Ann Walton [ father William Walton]. Daughter; Elizabeth Walter [husband George] and son, William Walter . Daughter; Margaret, to have land in Pr. William Co. DAUGHTER; Dinah James [hus. John], to have slaves and land in Prince William Co., on Elk Run. Daughter; Hannah Withers, and son James Withers, to have slaves. Wife and son, William, to have plantation where I now live. Grandson; John Allen. Exrs; Wife and son, William. Wit; Richard Young, John Tibbs, Darly Murphy. ***** Warrenton Cemetery Inscriptions, Fauquier Co: John James 1819-1892 [on Smith lot] Misc info. *** 1770 Fauquier County Rent Roll, 1770 John James 50 Capt. John James 376 Thomas James 980 *** [email protected] **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Bill, what a generous offer. Would you please send me one, when your time permits? Thank You! Joan Norstedt [email protected] There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV > and KY. > I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it > to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County >

Shirley, I'm beginning to think that's exactly what happened here also - they settled in Prince William and stayed there when it became Fauquier. Libby In a message dated 12/9/2007 12:45:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Libby.. In my family book, "Rust of Virginia" by Ellsworth Marshall Rust, there is mention of one family who lived in 4 or 5 counties. They NEVER moved at all. The jockeying of the county lines, caused them to live in several over the years. Shirley S **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Hi Libby.. In my family book, "Rust of Virginia" by Ellsworth Marshall Rust, there is mention of one family who lived in 4 or 5 counties. They NEVER moved at all. The jockeying of the county lines, caused them to live in several over the years. Shirley S > Libby Baker Wrote: > > I'm going back and refining some of my earlier research concerning the > children of John James and Dinah Allen and just where they were born. > The > parents > were born in Stafford County, no question. Many researchers say > Fauquier > County was the birthplace of their children from about 1742 to 1756. > However, > Fauquier wasn't formed till 1759, and then it was from Prince William > County, > not Stafford. > > Would anyone know when John and Dinah moved out of Stafford county? > They > lived at Elk Run, clearly in Fauquier, so why are the children said to be > born > in Stafford instead of Prince William Co.? > > Hope someone can straighten me out here. > > Libby Baker

I am interested in your offer still stands. Tootsie [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In looking at deeds for Fauquier Co on Elk Run names mentioned were Wm. Eustace, Geo Crump, William Allen, Thomas Conway wife Elizabeth and son William Mary Waugh d/o Elizabeth Peter Waggoner Gibson, Benjamin and Thomas Bullitt James Murray -----Original Message----- From: Marge <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Problems in Searching Northern Neck Virginians [andOthers, too] I have a map of the Fairfax Proprietary of the Northern Neck where was Elk Run I'll see if I can locate it. Maybe I can find some of the families near there. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://o.aolcdn.com/cdn.webmail.aol.com/mailtour/aol/en-us/text.htm?ncid=aolcmp00050000000003

Hey Libby. It appears John and Dinah inherited land in Prince William Co VA from Dinah's father, William Allen. They would have moved shortly after the will was probated, would be my guess, 12 May, 1741, Source; Abstracts of Wills, Administrations, and Marriages of Fauquier Co VA, 1759-1800, by J. Estelle Stewart King, 1986. Wills from Misc. Court Orders, Fauquier Co William Allen 16 Aug 1739 12 May 1741 Of Stafford Co. Overwharton Parish. Mentions land left by Margaret Janaway, dec'd, unto her Grandchildren, William and Margaret Lunsford [brother and sister]. Wife; Margaret Allen. Legatees; John Crump, Sarah Walton [dau.], to have slaves. Grandson; William Walton [son of William]. Granddaughter; Ann Walton [ father William Walton]. Daughter; Elizabeth Walter [husband George] and son, William Walter . Daughter; Margaret, to have land in Pr. William Co. DAUGHTER; Dinah James [hus. John], to have slaves and land in Prince William Co., on Elk Run. Daughter; Hannah Withers, and son James Withers, to have slaves. Wife and son, William, to have plantation where I now live. Grandson; John Allen. Exrs; Wife and son, William. Wit; Richard Young, John Tibbs, Darly Murphy. ***** Warrenton Cemetery Inscriptions, Fauquier Co: John James 1819-1892 [on Smith lot] Misc info. *** 1770 Fauquier County Rent Roll, 1770 John James 50 Capt. John James 376 Thomas James 980 *** [email protected]

Libby Baker Wrote: I'm going back and refining some of my earlier research concerning the children of John James and Dinah Allen and just where they were born. The parents were born in Stafford County, no question. Many researchers say Fauquier County was the birthplace of their children from about 1742 to 1756. However, Fauquier wasn't formed till 1759, and then it was from Prince William County, not Stafford. Would anyone know when John and Dinah moved out of Stafford county? They lived at Elk Run, clearly in Fauquier, so why are the children said to be born in Stafford instead of Prince William Co.? Hope someone can straighten me out here. Libby Baker Well, Libby, I am hardly the person to *straighten you out*. What you have come up against are some of Virginia's *burned counties*--a fate which many of us suffer in trying to collect info on our colonial and pre-Civil War ancestors. Stafford Co. is a *burned county* according to some books I recently ordered from Iberian Publishing now known as New Papyrus Publishing in Athens GA. That is why we genealogists have to help one another. Sometimes a *cousin* or just a curious genealogist will know of a Bible record, a manuscript, some *vertical files* which may help unravel a family mystery [or at least a mystery to the current researcher]. Old letters, with some unusual names, and also an 1820s bail bond found by a distant cousin have helped me jump some hurdles. Prince William Co. also has some missing records. A good many of us use land records, when they are still extant, to unravel these family ties. Nearly every land record, including the grants on the Library of Virginia website, for State land states [the original 13 colonies, those States formed from those 13 colonies, Texas, Hawaii and a few others] refers to a watercourse--a creek, a run, a river, a swamp, etc. That is why a lot of people use such programs as deed-mapper, although others use less technical methods, etc. They use tools like protractors, etc. If you can find the watercourses on which your people live, collect every family who lives on or near that watercourse, and then try to make an educated guess [I call them deductions, depending on how solid the evidence is] as to what family the second wife may have belonged to. One noted genealogist-lecturer-librarian makes the claim that nearly all colonial Virginian men married a girl downstream. An exaggeration, of course, but .... try to imagine the transportation--no paved roads, no street lights, had to get up to work at 4 or 5 o'clock in the morning. How far would a person go for a mate? My experience with a lot widows and widowers is that they frequently did not wait long after the death of the previous wife or husband to remarry, especially if there were small children to be cared for. Widows, for the most part, were not educated enough to be able to handle the business affairs of a farm, and the widowers could not cope with caring for small children!!! (My sociology course, many decades ago, called Marriage and the Family, did not prepare me for these findings!! My aunt clued me in on some aspects of a mother's death. If the child had to be nursed to survive, a wet nurse had to be found. My aunt thought her half-brother, whose mother had died about three days after his birth, had been nursed by an aunt who had a child born about the same time.) Land records, occcasionally, especially if the deed books record deeds of gift [frequently daughters were given slaves by their parent] and/or powers of attorney, or deeds of distribution may be helpful--I have found that so. The latter deeds of distribution after the death of the landowner are called different names in different states. I cannot say what they were called in the deed indexes of Virginia. In Kentucky, about the 1850s, they seemed to be called commissioners deeds. In Louisana, they were called *family meetings* or some such title. Occasionally, one will get lucky and find a well-prepared probate index, such as I have encountered in some North Carolina counties. There will be a devisor index and the devisees in the next column. Here I have picked up the married names of daughters. What I am telling you is this--there may not be an easy answer to your problem. And you may have to look in ALL the surrounding Virginia counties for records for your folks. And go to as many lectures and conferences as you can to learn how the professionals solve these problems--and some never do!!! Do you subscribe to the FREE newsletter of Ancestry.com? There are generally articles by professionals who tell you some of the methods they use--or try to use--to tear down some of their brick walls!! The archives of this newsletter when it was daily are filled with techniques to overcome brickwalls. Try this URL [email protected] [email protected] [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) (Remove any punctuation which may be added by rootsweb. Go down the very bottom of the first screen and there are some links to subscribe. Also the whole webpage has some wonderful links.) Good luck to you, E.W.Wallace who is also stuck on some Stafford and Prince William Co. colonial ancestors' lives **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

I have a map of the Fairfax Proprietary of the Northern Neck where was Elk Run I'll see if I can locate it. Maybe I can find some of the families near there.

I too would very much like to have a copy. Please send to [email protected] . Thanks in advance. Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records > > > > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > > from > > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > > I > > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > > anyone interested. > > > > Bill Stribling > > Fauquier County > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest > > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

This sounds like a wonderful tool. Would you mind sending me a copy? Many thanks, Marian Sarantha ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/formationofvacountiesfrom1634.html Please cut and paste if you can click on the link Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Flow Chart I too would very much like to have a copy. Please send to [email protected] . Thanks in advance. Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:08 PM > Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records > > > > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > > from > > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > > I > > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > > anyone interested. > > > > Bill Stribling > > Fauquier County > > > > > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > > hottest > > products. > > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bil I thank you for the offer. Please send me a copy. Jim -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 7, 2007 4:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties from 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. I don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to anyone interested. Bill Stribling Fauquier County **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here are two great sites that have links to maps and the county formations: http://www.myvirginiagenealogy.com/index.htm http://jrshelby.com/hcl/va.htm Scott -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of S. Renee Schaeffer Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 8:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records Bill, I would love to see This flow chart. Would you mind sending me a copy as well. Thank you so much. Renee Schaeffer ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties from 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. I don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to anyone interested. Bill Stribling Fauquier County **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 12/7/2007 1:11 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, I would love to see This flow chart. Would you mind sending me a copy as well. Thank you so much. Renee Schaeffer ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties from 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. I don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to anyone interested. Bill Stribling Fauquier County **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.17/1177 - Release Date: 12/7/2007 1:11 PM

I should appreciate it very much. [email protected] Thanks. You are a kind person. Jane Sarles [email protected] wrote: > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I would love to have a copy also if you don't mind. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Fauquier records > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for your generousity. You have true holiday warmth. Would like this flow chart if you have time. Thanks Trish [email protected] > There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties > from > 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. > I > don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to > anyone interested. > > Bill Stribling > Fauquier County > > > > **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's > hottest > products. > (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is a flow chart that I use titled "Formation of Virginia Counties from 1634" that is easy to follow westward across the states of VA, WV and KY. I don't know of any source, but will be glad to scan it and e-mail it to anyone interested. Bill Stribling Fauquier County **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)