Date for the suit re: John T. Newman was 1855, not settled until 1859. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VAFAUQUI] Names from Chancery Records Hi, Can you give us a date? Also, is there anyone out there how knowledge about the Newman family in Fauquier Co. Thank you, Donna Carter **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Can you give us a date? Also, is there anyone out there how knowledge about the Newman family in Fauquier Co. Thank you, Donna Carter **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850)

28 July 1763. Lease. Between Thomas Lord Fairfax and John Rogers of Culp. Co. ... tract in Manor of Leeds ... 225 a. ... Beg. ... Neal's lott line ... cor. to Jett's Lott crossing Thumb Run ... Norman's Lott line ... line of George's lott ... cor. to Neal Ju'r's. Lott ... during his natural life and lives of 's. Lott ... during his natural life and lives of Henry Rogers and Stephen Rogers, his sons ... yearly rent of 45s. ster. Signed: Thomas Lord Fairfax and John Rogers of Culp. Co. ... tract in Manor of Leeds ... 225 a. ... Beg. ... Neal's lott line ... cor. to Jett's Lott crossing Thumb Run ... Norman's Lott line ... line of George's lott ... cor. to Neal Ju'r's. Lott ... during his natural life and lives of 's. Lott ... during his natural life and lives of Henry Rogers and Stephen Rogers, his sons ... yearly rent of 45s. ster. Signed: Fairfax. Rec: 29 July 1763, ack. by Lord Fairfax. ROGERS, Stephen & Frances C. Jett, Sep. 4, 1832 - bdsm: d/o William; MR (GEO) (date of MR --- --, 1832) ROGERS, Wm. P. & Arian Smoot, Dec. 14, 1830 - bdsm: d/o Edward; June . Rec: 29 July 1763, ack. by Lord Fairfax. ROGERS, Stephen & Frances C. Jett, Sep. 4, 1832 - bdsm: d/o William; MR (GEO) (date of MR --- --, 1832) ROGERS, Wm. P. & Arian Smoot, Dec. 14, 1830 - bdsm: d/o Edward; June

?Not related as of yet. LOL!!! Have been trying to find out more of Rebecca Spicer. June Marriage Bond Fauquier Co? [source: John K. Gott] SMITH, Willis G. & Sally Smith,? Feb. 2, 1807 - bdsm: John P. Smith NOTE:? AKA: Sally ? FARROW, John R. & Susan M. Smith Oct. 26, 1835 - bdsm: John P. Smith, father MR Oct. 29, 1835) Fauquier Guardian Bonds: JOHN P. SMITH, gdn. of Rebecca Smith, orph. of John Smith (Bumberry), dec'd. 22 June 1818. For $1,000. Sec: John A. W. Smith and Inman Horner. J.P.: William Bower, Nimrod Farrow, Asa Hume and Francis Martin. JOHN P. SMITH, gdn. of Joseph Smith and Noah Smith, orphs. of John Smith (Bumberry), dec'd, 22 June 1818. For $2,000. Sec: John A. W. Smith, Inman Horner. J.P.: William Bower, Nimrod Farrow, Francis Martin and Asa Hume John P. Smith guardian of Joseph Smith and Noah Smith, orphans of John Smith?(of Bumberry), decd., 22 June 1818. For $2000. Security: John A.W. Smith, Inman Horner. JP: William Bower, Nimrod Farrow, Francis Martin and Asa Hume. ========================================================================== Husband: John (B.) SMITH Also known as "John Smith of Bumbry" Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA 1 John (B.) SMITH Also known as "John Smith of Bumbry" Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA 1 Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA John P. Smith guardian of Joseph Smith and Noah Smith, orphans of John Smith?(of Bumberry), decd., 22 June 1818. For $2000. Security: John A.W. Smith, Inman Horner. JP: William Bower, Nimrod Farrow, Francis Martin and Asa Hume. ========================================================================== Husband: John (B.) SMITH Also known as "John Smith of Bumbry" Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA 1 John (B.) SMITH Also known as "John Smith of Bumbry" Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA 1 Born: 19 Jul 1746 in St. Paul's Pr. King George Co. VA 1 Died: Abt May 1815 in Fauquier Co. VA (see note 1) Occupation: 1768 Overseer 2 (see note 2) Father: John SMITH Mother: Margaret GRIGSBY =========================================================================== James T. Ball and his wife Margaret P. Ball met Sally Smith at the Circuit Superior Court of Law in Fauquier County to settle the controversy over the will of Willis G. Smith, for which Sally Smith was administrator. The Balls did not think that they had been given the proper amount they had been bequeathed in the will. In the case, the court ruled that Sally Smith pay the Ball's nothing, but it did rule that she pay her relatives, who Willis G. Smith had given money in his will. In total, Sally Smith was ordered to pay five relatives two hundred and seventy seven dollars and seventy cents. In addition to this ruling, the court stated that Sally Smith should not charge Joseph B. Smith rent for the house and property he had been given in the will, and in the place of rent he should make repairs to the house. Furthermore, it was said that the house be sold by auction, the proceeds from which would be used to pay court costs. It is not known whether Sally Smith fulfilled the or! der of the court and paid her relatives their allotted amount or if the house was successfully auctioned off. Matters like this episode were common at the time. Though, it is interesting that a woman, Sally Smith, handled the proceedings. From the court notice it can be assumed that she was the widow of Willis G. Smith, which makes her involvement in the matter plausible. However, if she was not his wife the ordinary proceeding would have been to have the oldest son administer the will. At the time, it was normal proceedings to auction off the land of the deceased if the remaining family members could not afford to keep it, as in this case. N.S.A Citations: The Times, October 11, 1845. (Micfilm N-US NC-64, Alderman Library, University of Virginia.) Polly J. Price, "Land Restrictions in the American Common Law: Exploring the Relative Autonomy Paradigm" The American Journal of Legal History, Vol.43, No.2. (1999) 152-171. =========================================================================== This John P. Smith is John Smith of Bumberry?who married: SMITH, John & Rebecca Spicer Dec. 24, 1787 - bdsm: d/o Wm. To see more on John Smith of Bumbry,? go to: http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:JLb_CKHbm_sJ:www.geocities.com/jd_ball2001/bumbry.pdf+john+smith,+bumberry&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us ================================================================================ Husband: Willis G. SMITH, SR. ?? Born:????????????????? at:?? Married: 2 FEB 1807?????? at: Fauquier Co. VA? ?? Died: Abt 1830???????? at: Fauquier Co. VA? Father:Capt. Joseph SMITH Mother:??? (UNKNOWN) ??????? Other Spouses: ?? Wife: Sarah SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1788???????? at: VA? ?? Died: 24 NOV 1857????? at: Rappahannock Co (?) VA? Father:John SMITH Mother:Margaret PULLER ??????? Other Spouses: CHILDREN ?? Name: Margaret Puller SMITH ?? Born:????????????????? at: Fauquier Co. VA? Married: 12 JUN 1818????? at:?? ?? Died: 1 JAN 1841?????? at: Bridgeton, St. Louis Co. MO? Spouses: James T. BALL? ?? Name: James G. SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1808???????? at: VA? Married:????????????????? at:?? ?? Died:????????????????? at:?? Spouses: ?? Name: Joseph B. SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1814???????? at: Fauquier Co. VA? Married:????????????????? at:?? ?? Died: 27 FEB 1889????? at: nr. Vernon Mills, Fauquier Co. VA? Spouses: ?? Name: John P. SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1815???????? at: VA? Married:????????????????? at:?? ?? Died: Abt MAR 1863???? at: Fauquier Co. VA? Spouses: ?? Name: Mary SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1825???????? at: VA? Married: Aft 1850???????? at:?? ?? Died:????????????????? at:?? Spouses: John Thomas SMITH? ?? Name: Sarah Ann SMITH ?? Born: Abt 1828???????? at: VA? Married:????????????????? at:?? ?? Died: BET 1880 - 1900? at: Fauquier Co. VA? Spouses: George W. DAVIS? -----Original Message----- From: Thomas & Sandra Stephens <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:54 am Subject: [VAFAUQUI] Names from Chancery Records Those Chancery records on the Library of VA site are great - I found several records pertaining to my Rogers line. Can someone help me out with two names in these suits? Gabriel Rogers vs. Sarah Smith (widow of Willis G. Smith) - who was WILLIS G. SMITH? Gabriel Rogers vs. Stephen Rogers, William P. Rogers and John T. Newman - who was JOHN T. NEWMAN? Thanks for any info on these two men. Sandra

Those Chancery records on the Library of VA site are great - I found several records pertaining to my Rogers line. Can someone help me out with two names in these suits? Gabriel Rogers vs. Sarah Smith (widow of Willis G. Smith) - who was WILLIS G. SMITH? Gabriel Rogers vs. Stephen Rogers, William P. Rogers and John T. Newman - who was JOHN T. NEWMAN? Thanks for any info on these two men. Sandra

Dear Shirley, Thank you for sharing your Texas connections via Fauquier Co., Va. Its a small world sometimes.... If you need me to look anything up here in Texas, let me know. Sincerely, Rebecca Bashaw > I have thoroughly enjoyed the Texas entries about Fauquier Co, VA > families. > Yes, E W Wallace, there were others who participated in the Texas > Revolution. > > Previously, I never considered how many might have participated in the > Texas Revolution from Mexico. I knew several Mexican born folks > participated as well as those from the South. Many of the names from > Kentucky and Tennessee were originally Virginians. But from Fauquier Co, > did not occur to me. > > I'd like to share a discovery found about 2 years ago. Thanks to a Massie > cousin who answered a posting, a mystery in an old family Bible was > solved. > > Explanation: > Thomas Massie, b. abt 1742, VA + Mary "Molly" Morehead, VA, and lived in > Fauquier Co, VA. All their children were born in Fauquier. > Two of these children were: > 1) Thomas Massie, b. 1782 in Fauquier + 1st: Nancy Graham > + 2nd > Elizabeth > Rust. > ,, Had a family Bible. > .............Thos Massie & Elizabeth Rust had a son, Thomas > Benj. Rust Massie, b. 1822. > ,, He also had a family Bible. (Family Pages combined from both in > this Bible.) > 2) Samuel Massie, b. abt 1775 in Fauquier Co, + Ann 'Nancy' Dearing. > ................... Had several children; but only one was entered in the > family Bible of Thomas Massie, b. 1782. > > .................. An entry in the Bible of Thomas b. 1782, lists a John W > Massie, born 23 Oct 1807, son of Samuel Massie his father and Nancy his > mother. > > When another descendant of Samuel Massie saw my query, he wrote, giving us > the descendants of Samuel Massie. He had a family Bible with this same > John W Massie who had the same date of birth. > > Turns out the above John W Massie, b. 1807, had migrated to Texas and > fought in the Texas Rev. from Mexico. Below is a transcribed copy of a > letter shared with me from Bernice Clower, descendant of John W Massie / > Massey. > > QUOTE: > Mr J W Massey, > Sir > You are hereby appointed Quarter-Master of the > Detachment from Red River under command of Captain > E T Jackson, on arrival at Head Quarters you will > report yourself to General Rusk*, taking care that > no unnecessary waste of provisions takes place on > your journey and that no improssments (?) of horses > or provisions are made except such as are rendered > indespensabley necessary. > > I > am > sir > yours > ?the > Saml > > Houston > Com'd > in > Chief > END, > > There were other descendants of Samuel & Nancy (Dearing) Massie. All > migrated to Texas. > > Shirley Starks > > E W Wallace previously wrote: > There is a *genealogical connection* of Texas with Fauquier Co. -- at > least > one that I know about. There may have been others, as recruits came from > all > over, but mainly from the South to participate in the Texas Revolution > against Mexico. (This was not the Mexican War, which occurred after Texas > had > been admitted to the Union.) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The answer we were hoping for . Lucy -------------- Original message -------------- From: Julie <[email protected]> > Thanks, I'll go see if any of my guys and girls are there!! and I agree with > you. If we could donate, a lot of little ones would probably go a long way. > > Julie in CA > Rika Shepherd wrote: > Hi Folks, > There was a notice in the current issue, February 2008, of the > Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter pertaining to Virginia's > chancery records. It states in part: "The Library of Virginia (LVA) > is pleased to announce that the digital imaging of the King & Queen, > New Kent, and Shenandoah County chancery causes is now complete. The > images have been added to the Library's on-line Chancery Records > Index at http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/ > index.htm and are now available for searching through the LVA web > site." You all might want to check the LVA web site and see what's > there. > > I know of another county in Virginia that is waiting to get its > chancery records digitized at the LVA. It all takes money and we're > in a slow economy right now. It would be nice if a fund could be > established to get certain counties done and people could donate to > the fund for their counties of interest. > > Regards, Valerie > [email protected] > [email protected] > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

> In addition to the counties listed below, the August 2007 > newsletter from VGS stated that Lancaster County chancery records > have been processed, indexed, and digitized, and the index and > images have been added to the LVA site. Valerie > >There was a notice in the current issue, February 2008, of the > >Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter pertaining to Virginia's > >chancery records. It states in part: "The Library of Virginia (LVA) > >is pleased to announce that the digital imaging of the King & Queen, > >New Kent, and Shenandoah County chancery causes is now complete. The > >images have been added to the Library's on-line Chancery Records > >Index at http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/ > >index.htm and are now available for searching through the LVA web > >site."

Here is the site for the Texas Handbook Online, which has many articles about early Texas historical figures: http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/ Sandra

improssments (?) = impressments Definition: The act of seizing for public use: or impressing into public service. (In-other-words: Sanctioned stealing of private property.)

I have thoroughly enjoyed the Texas entries about Fauquier Co, VA families. Yes, E W Wallace, there were others who participated in the Texas Revolution. Previously, I never considered how many might have participated in the Texas Revolution from Mexico. I knew several Mexican born folks participated as well as those from the South. Many of the names from Kentucky and Tennessee were originally Virginians. But from Fauquier Co, did not occur to me. I'd like to share a discovery found about 2 years ago. Thanks to a Massie cousin who answered a posting, a mystery in an old family Bible was solved. Explanation: Thomas Massie, b. abt 1742, VA + Mary "Molly" Morehead, VA, and lived in Fauquier Co, VA. All their children were born in Fauquier. Two of these children were: 1) Thomas Massie, b. 1782 in Fauquier + 1st: Nancy Graham + 2nd Elizabeth Rust. ,, Had a family Bible. .............Thos Massie & Elizabeth Rust had a son, Thomas Benj. Rust Massie, b. 1822. ,, He also had a family Bible. (Family Pages combined from both in this Bible.) 2) Samuel Massie, b. abt 1775 in Fauquier Co, + Ann 'Nancy' Dearing. ................... Had several children; but only one was entered in the family Bible of Thomas Massie, b. 1782. .................. An entry in the Bible of Thomas b. 1782, lists a John W Massie, born 23 Oct 1807, son of Samuel Massie his father and Nancy his mother. When another descendant of Samuel Massie saw my query, he wrote, giving us the descendants of Samuel Massie. He had a family Bible with this same John W Massie who had the same date of birth. Turns out the above John W Massie, b. 1807, had migrated to Texas and fought in the Texas Rev. from Mexico. Below is a transcribed copy of a letter shared with me from Bernice Clower, descendant of John W Massie / Massey. QUOTE: Mr J W Massey, Sir You are hereby appointed Quarter-Master of the Detachment from Red River under command of Captain E T Jackson, on arrival at Head Quarters you will report yourself to General Rusk*, taking care that no unnecessary waste of provisions takes place on your journey and that no improssments (?) of horses or provisions are made except such as are rendered indespensabley necessary. I am sir yours ?the Saml Houston Com'd in Chief END, There were other descendants of Samuel & Nancy (Dearing) Massie. All migrated to Texas. Shirley Starks E W Wallace previously wrote: There is a *genealogical connection* of Texas with Fauquier Co. -- at least one that I know about. There may have been others, as recruits came from all over, but mainly from the South to participate in the Texas Revolution against Mexico. (This was not the Mexican War, which occurred after Texas had been admitted to the Union.)

Thanks, I'll go see if any of my guys and girls are there!! and I agree with you. If we could donate, a lot of little ones would probably go a long way. Julie in CA Rika Shepherd <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Folks, There was a notice in the current issue, February 2008, of the Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter pertaining to Virginia's chancery records. It states in part: "The Library of Virginia (LVA) is pleased to announce that the digital imaging of the King & Queen, New Kent, and Shenandoah County chancery causes is now complete. The images have been added to the Library's on-line Chancery Records Index at http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/ index.htm and are now available for searching through the LVA web site." You all might want to check the LVA web site and see what's there. I know of another county in Virginia that is waiting to get its chancery records digitized at the LVA. It all takes money and we're in a slow economy right now. It would be nice if a fund could be established to get certain counties done and people could donate to the fund for their counties of interest. Regards, Valerie [email protected] [email protected] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Folks, There was a notice in the current issue, February 2008, of the Virginia Genealogical Society Newsletter pertaining to Virginia's chancery records. It states in part: "The Library of Virginia (LVA) is pleased to announce that the digital imaging of the King & Queen, New Kent, and Shenandoah County chancery causes is now complete. The images have been added to the Library's on-line Chancery Records Index at http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/chancery/ index.htm and are now available for searching through the LVA web site." You all might want to check the LVA web site and see what's there. I know of another county in Virginia that is waiting to get its chancery records digitized at the LVA. It all takes money and we're in a slow economy right now. It would be nice if a fund could be established to get certain counties done and people could donate to the fund for their counties of interest. Regards, Valerie [email protected] [email protected]

Dear E.W. Wallace, I have an original Texas bill/note in a frame which has Mirabeau B. Lamar's name inscribed. Was my late husband's; something I want have decided to get rid of. Yes I do remember something about a Kemper being the Armourer in the Texian Army, as my late husband pointed it out. We did go to the Texas Archives in Austin where he looked up some things on his family as well as Kemper. Sincerely, Rebecca Bashaw > Thanks for the longish explanation about the ownership of its lands by the > State of Texas, formerly the Republic of Texas. > > There is a *genealogical connection* of Texas with Fauquier Co. -- at > least > one that I know about. There may have been others, as recruits came from > all > over, but mainly from the South to participate in the Texas Revolution > against Mexico. (This was not the Mexican War, which occurred after Texas > had > been admitted to the Union.) > > John Frederick Kemper, my ancestor, who was killed by Karankawa Indians > on > his Texas ranch in the autumn of 1845 [we think--because probate was > filed > soon afterward] had a grandfather John Kemper [such a common name in the > Kemper > family] who, in all probability, had been born in Fauquier Co. > > John Kemper the elder of Garrard Co., KY had a son named George Nimrod > Kemper who was the father of said John Frederick Kemper. > > John Frederick has papers in the Texas Archives indicating that he was > master armourer for the Texian Army. His name appears now and then in the > Papers > of Mirabeau B. Lamar, second President of the Republic of Texas (1838-41) > (Sam Houston was the First President, but I don't recall seeing Kemper's > name > in his papers.). > > My great-grandmother, Amanda Jane Kemper, was his only surviving child. > > E.W.Wallace > > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the longish explanation about the ownership of its lands by the State of Texas, formerly the Republic of Texas. There is a *genealogical connection* of Texas with Fauquier Co. -- at least one that I know about. There may have been others, as recruits came from all over, but mainly from the South to participate in the Texas Revolution against Mexico. (This was not the Mexican War, which occurred after Texas had been admitted to the Union.) John Frederick Kemper, my ancestor, who was killed by Karankawa Indians on his Texas ranch in the autumn of 1845 [we think--because probate was filed soon afterward] had a grandfather John Kemper [such a common name in the Kemper family] who, in all probability, had been born in Fauquier Co. John Kemper the elder of Garrard Co., KY had a son named George Nimrod Kemper who was the father of said John Frederick Kemper. John Frederick has papers in the Texas Archives indicating that he was master armourer for the Texian Army. His name appears now and then in the Papers of Mirabeau B. Lamar, second President of the Republic of Texas (1838-41) (Sam Houston was the First President, but I don't recall seeing Kemper's name in his papers.). My great-grandmother, Amanda Jane Kemper, was his only surviving child. E.W.Wallace **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Texas Statehood On February 28, 1845, the U.S. Congress passed a bill that would authorize the United States to annex the Republic of Texas and on March 1 U.S. President John Tyler signed the bill. The legislation set the date for annexation for December 29 of the same year. On October 13 of the same year, a majority of voters in the Republic approved a proposed constitution that specifically endorsed slavery and the slave trade. This constitution was later accepted by the U.S. Congress, making Texas a U.S. state on the same day annexation took effect (therefore bypassing a territorial phase). One of the primary motivations for annexation was that the Texas government had incurred huge debts which the United States agreed to assume upon annexation. In the Compromise of 1850, in return for this assumption of $10 million of debt, a large portion of Texas-claimed territory, now parts of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and Wyoming, was ceded to the Federal government. The annexation resolution has been the topic of some incorrect historical beliefs—chiefly, that the resolution was a treaty between sovereign states, and granted Texas the explicit right to secede from the Union. This was a right argued by some to be implicitly held by all states at the time, and until the conclusion of the Civil War. However, no such right was explicitly enumerated in the resolution. That having been said, the resolution did include two unique provisions: first, it gave the new state of Texas the right to divide itself into as many as five states (a proposal never seriously considered). Second, Texas did not have to surrender its public lands to the federal government. Thus the only lands owned by the federal government within Texas have actually been purchased by the government, and the vast oil discoveries on state lands have provided a major revenue flow for the state universities.

Dear E.W. Wallace & Listers, Some other Texas tidbits: Texas is the only State who has the right to succeed from the United States of America as this was built into the Texas documents, and return to its own country. Texas was a country/entity by itself when it joined the Union in 1846. Sincerely, Rebecca Bashaw > Thanks for the excellent info about the Kentucky Land Records being online > now. Maybe I had better take my heavy laptop on vacation after all!!! > > No, about California land office. As far as I know, there is no such > office. > > Please re-read my message about State Land States. All land acquired by > the > Federal government beginning with the Louisiana Purchase (1812, if my > memory > is not failing as bad as I sometimes perceive it is) belonged/belongs to > the > Federal government in the beginning. > > The states did not control the issuance of federal land after that > acquisition--the Louisiana Purchase--from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. > Louisiana and > Mississippi land and states formed from those States were controlled by > the > Federal government. > > This is quite complicated, as many persons were already there and had > received grants from Spain and Britain, so Congress had to have people > make claims, > etc. Someday when you have a LOT of time, take a look at a computerized > index called Grassroots of America. > > (Look for this book on the Family History Library Catalog. The author > is > Philip W. McMullin [sp?] and I believe the thick index has been > microfilmed. > The claims to the Federal Government were contained in some hefty volumes > called American State Papers and McMullin's book is an INDEX, which is > badly > needed for the volumes concerning Land.) > > If you are going to study a new State when beginning some research there, > it > helps to do a little reading about the history of the State, its laws > [different from State to State, remember?] and its land policies. (For > example, > any State in the US which came under Spanish rule at one time or other > has > community property laws!!! That includes most of the Southwest and > Western > states. Better read up on that--particularly if you are a female!!!) > Louisiana > operates under the Napoleonic law, I am told by Louisiana folks--French > law! > > The original 13 colonies and those states formed from those 13 colonies > [don't ask me for all of them, but a few I know--Kentucky was formed from > Virginia, Tennessee was formed from North Carolina], etc. have their own > land > offices. > > According to the older Texas almanacs, Texas had so many debts when it > wanted to join the Union that Congress [or whoever makes these decisions > about > acquiring land] didn't want it. It finally relented and said, You can > keep your > land--and your DEBTS!!! (This is my unscholarly interpretation of the > Texas > Almanac, older versions, which I sometimes collect.) So, Texas has its > own > Land Commission. > > If your friend in California [am I reading you right?] wants to know > whether > his/her ancestor acquired land in California from the Federal Government, > he/she should do some searching on this website: > > _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) > [Remove any punctuation which may be added fore and aft before pasting] > > Click on land patents at the top to do a general search. > > A few weeks ago when I was searching for my spouse's grandfather's name, > who > filed a pre-emption claim behind an old Spanish mission in California, the > website told me that the data California had not been finished. But that > was > a few weeks ago. > > Now, after a person acquired the land from the Federal government, he > could, > of course, assign it or sell it, etc. and that transaction would be > between > private individuals, and if the persons were smart, they would record > this > transaction at the county level--a deed--not a patent. There is a > difference > between a grant [or patent] and a deed. (In Kentucky, for example, I > have > been able to *paste together* families from the deeds as well as the > wills. > That's why we genealogists still bend over a microfilm reader to read OLD > deeds. New deeds are interesting too!!!) > > But, I am not a real estate person nor an attorney, so consult a good > law > dictionary or some genealogical guide book such as almost any edition of > The > Soruce [several editions], all good. Ask your public librarian if this > book > is in the Reference section of the library. (A lot of good books are > behind > the Librarian's desk and do not circulate!!!! No secret--but some folks > have > not learned to snoop around a library.) > > E.W.Wallace > > This is copied from the catalog entry from the Family History Library > catalog. I did a title search for Grassroots of America. [This does not > apply to > State Land States, such as Kentucky.] By doing either a Title search or > an > author search [I seldom remember how to spell exactly McMullin's name]. > These > list mainly people who were making claims soon after the Louisiana > Purchase > -- they were already on the land-- and does not apply to more modern land > claims. > > > [Grassroots of America] > This is an index to Class 8 & 9, Public lands and claims, of the American > State Papers > . This title is part of the Family History Center Microfiche Project. > Ask > your Family History Center director for more information. > ____________________________________ > > > > > > **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. > (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the excellent info about the Kentucky Land Records being online now. Maybe I had better take my heavy laptop on vacation after all!!! No, about California land office. As far as I know, there is no such office. Please re-read my message about State Land States. All land acquired by the Federal government beginning with the Louisiana Purchase (1812, if my memory is not failing as bad as I sometimes perceive it is) belonged/belongs to the Federal government in the beginning. The states did not control the issuance of federal land after that acquisition--the Louisiana Purchase--from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. Louisiana and Mississippi land and states formed from those States were controlled by the Federal government. This is quite complicated, as many persons were already there and had received grants from Spain and Britain, so Congress had to have people make claims, etc. Someday when you have a LOT of time, take a look at a computerized index called Grassroots of America. (Look for this book on the Family History Library Catalog. The author is Philip W. McMullin [sp?] and I believe the thick index has been microfilmed. The claims to the Federal Government were contained in some hefty volumes called American State Papers and McMullin's book is an INDEX, which is badly needed for the volumes concerning Land.) If you are going to study a new State when beginning some research there, it helps to do a little reading about the history of the State, its laws [different from State to State, remember?] and its land policies. (For example, any State in the US which came under Spanish rule at one time or other has community property laws!!! That includes most of the Southwest and Western states. Better read up on that--particularly if you are a female!!!) Louisiana operates under the Napoleonic law, I am told by Louisiana folks--French law! The original 13 colonies and those states formed from those 13 colonies [don't ask me for all of them, but a few I know--Kentucky was formed from Virginia, Tennessee was formed from North Carolina], etc. have their own land offices. According to the older Texas almanacs, Texas had so many debts when it wanted to join the Union that Congress [or whoever makes these decisions about acquiring land] didn't want it. It finally relented and said, You can keep your land--and your DEBTS!!! (This is my unscholarly interpretation of the Texas Almanac, older versions, which I sometimes collect.) So, Texas has its own Land Commission. If your friend in California [am I reading you right?] wants to know whether his/her ancestor acquired land in California from the Federal Government, he/she should do some searching on this website: _http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/_ (http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/) [Remove any punctuation which may be added fore and aft before pasting] Click on land patents at the top to do a general search. A few weeks ago when I was searching for my spouse's grandfather's name, who filed a pre-emption claim behind an old Spanish mission in California, the website told me that the data California had not been finished. But that was a few weeks ago. Now, after a person acquired the land from the Federal government, he could, of course, assign it or sell it, etc. and that transaction would be between private individuals, and if the persons were smart, they would record this transaction at the county level--a deed--not a patent. There is a difference between a grant [or patent] and a deed. (In Kentucky, for example, I have been able to *paste together* families from the deeds as well as the wills. That's why we genealogists still bend over a microfilm reader to read OLD deeds. New deeds are interesting too!!!) But, I am not a real estate person nor an attorney, so consult a good law dictionary or some genealogical guide book such as almost any edition of The Soruce [several editions], all good. Ask your public librarian if this book is in the Reference section of the library. (A lot of good books are behind the Librarian's desk and do not circulate!!!! No secret--but some folks have not learned to snoop around a library.) E.W.Wallace This is copied from the catalog entry from the Family History Library catalog. I did a title search for Grassroots of America. [This does not apply to State Land States, such as Kentucky.] By doing either a Title search or an author search [I seldom remember how to spell exactly McMullin's name]. These list mainly people who were making claims soon after the Louisiana Purchase -- they were already on the land-- and does not apply to more modern land claims. [Grassroots of America] This is an index to Class 8 & 9, Public lands and claims, of the American State Papers . This title is part of the Family History Center Microfiche Project. Ask your Family History Center director for more information. ____________________________________ **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Sandra, Good info, thanks for the site address. Worth checking out. Ken Lewis **************Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)

Here's an interesting site from my current copy of the "Civil War Times" magazine: "Do you think the Union Army may have confiscated your family's property? Find out the facts by doing a step-by-step search of the Southern Claims Commission at: www.slcl.org/branches/hq/sc/scc/steps.htm " Sandra