Hello Mickey, I saw your 1860 query, for Joseph. You know Grandfather, was in the home of Mr. and Mrs. John Wesley in the 1880 Fairfax County, VA Census. He was listed as 6 years old and "not adopted." Now through my query to this mailing list asking if anyone knew if John Wesley was a minister, someone answered: "Historical newspaper search: Number of matches: 1Search page number: 1 Newspaper Date Page Subject Alexandria Gazette 3/26/1861 02 Wesley John Receives church appointment. " We all know the name of England's John Wesley, he was involved in the start of the Methodists Movement. The Virginia John Wesley, could have been a descendant of the John Wesley. He was a minister and I'd like to find Methodist Church Records for him. Many minister or their wives kept diaries. Anyway, my point in all of this is that Indian children were sometimes stolen, or worse to be given indoctrination in Christianity. They were also needed to do farm work because the Civil War had disrupted slavery, with no farm help to be had. It also disrupted everything in Indian Territory. The Supreme court, as well as lesser Federal Courts did not uphold Indian Sovereignty. There is a Choctaw Indian by the name of Joe Daniels, that was held at Ft. Smith Arkansas. He would have been about the age of Horse's father. There was a band of Choctaw that settled there after 1850, because of the whites coming into Indian Territory and stealing the land. The information on him is at the Southwest U.S. NARA site where they keep Indian Records. I have always wanted to purchase a copy. Are you interested in them? Let me know and I will order them. I hope you and your family are well. I'll give you my address and telephone again. Is you address and telephone the same? In fact if you could send them again. I've lost my telephone & address book. Take care and love to all, Joyce 31 Willow Circle Ketchikan, AK 99901 907.225.7735 --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.