So, what do you think??? Are we long, long distant cousins??? Barb Pam Sulzer <psulzer47@yahoo.com> wrote: Barbara, One other thing. I found a picture online which appears to be Edward Payne. I found it using Google images. It is located at this address: http://kdl.kyvl.org/images/kukav/61m158/296.jpg A handwritten note on the back of the picture says "Edward Payne, father of Daniel McCarty Payne". It is filed in the Neville Family Papers. Pam Barbara Flores wrote: Dear Pam: Typing minus an injured finger - so greatly apologize for multiple typos in previous email. Want to warn you that B.F. Van Meter's book is written in a very convoluted style, he does not document where he gets his info [mostly word-of-mouth, we think] - found another reference to Payne on p. 32. There is no real index - hopefully Mr Van Meter in Lex., KY who is up-dating BF's book will also index this older book as well. The current "Index" is actually a table of contents. Ido not reccommend your buying it, but checking the librairies for it - it has become a book that on-line genealogists refer to. However, my cousin and I find it very difficult to read and to understand who was descended from whom, etc. NOw, Iwill attempt to type in the info on p.20 and 32 and will forward this to my cousin, in case she knows of any other place in book that Paynes are mentioned. p. 20 " COLONEL THOMAS LEWIS" "Col. Thomas Lewis and wife [ Elizabeth Payne Lewis] removed with their family to Fayette County, KY, in 1780, and settled on a large farm three miles west of Lexington, where they lived for the balance of their lives and raised thirteen children, viz: .... Thomas Lewis was possessed of considerable means when he came to KY, consisting of money, slaves, and live stock. He made extensive investments in lands, and soon became one of the influential and wealthy men of this region fo the country. His brother-in-law, Henry Payne, and his family removed from VA with him and settled on an adjoining farm, and were life-long neighbors....." p. 21 ".....He [Col. Lewis] was a consistent member of the Old Baptist Church (the "Ironside"), and was one of the pillars of a church and congregation, the "meeting house" (Old Sacra) having been located on the line between his farm and that of his brother-in-law, Mr. Payne, and on the public road, where it remained for years after the death of bothof the origina famiulies and the dispersion of their children from these farms......" p. 32 Kittie Lewis, seventh child of Thomas and Eliz. Lewis, was born Dec. 2, 1787, and married her cousin, Colonel Henry C. Payne, of Fayette County, KY. Col. Henry C. Payne was one of the most prominent farmers and gentlemen of Fayette Co., lived on a part of the original Payne homestead adjoining the Lewis homestead, and raised a family of ten children, viz: Romulus Payne, b. July 29, 1809, died unmarried; Remus, born July3, 1811, m. Mary Talbott; Lewis D., b. May11, 1813, m. Eliz. Keene; Eliza, b. May 3, 1815, m. Col. Rodes Estill; Anna Maria, b.April 21 1817, m. Dr. John Jackson; Thomas H., b. NOv. 1 1819, m. Maria Viley; Lydia, b. Feb. 29, 1822, m. B.B. Taylor; Sallie, b. Mar.1, 1824; Benjamin, b. Feb. 22, 1826; Kittie, b. Mar. 23, 1828. Kittie L. Payne died August, 1829. Col. Henry Congers Payne died June 5, 1856. This husband and wife were faithful and consistent members of the Old Baptist Church, and highly respected and esteemed by all of their acquaintances. Many of their descendants are now living in KY and other sections of this Union. ....." Brackets and abbrs. are mine. Also of interest to you, perhaps, is that my cousin FOUND the original Thos.Lewis home on Viley RD in Lex., KY.[She and I each had picture s of the home in our grandmothers' albums, but thought it to be long ago destroyed, as our gradn mothers never showed us the house or spoke of it!] She was uncertain whether the Payne home still stands - I can check with her on that , if you are interested. When she found our Lewis home, it was suffering greatly from neglect and abuse and a builder had recently pur. the property and was building inexpensive homes all around the house and was going to use the house as a "club house", he said. He did not and the house rapidly deteriorated over the few years since she found it, as tenants of the new homes vandalized and abused it. My cousin had different organizations keeping an eye on it for us - the builder would not sell it to my cousin for a reasonable amount, etc., etc. this went on for 4-5 years or more. Most recently, she has mo! ved to KY from Wisconsin, she learned last year that an architect and his wife had bought the home and were restoring it!!!! A beautiful end to a heart-wrenching story! For what it's worth! Sincerely, Barbara Pam Sulzer wrote: Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... 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