I tried writing to you at an e-mail address I found, but I don't know if it was a good address. I was on World Tree and saw that you submitted a line for Paynes. There are some errors and I'd like to help correct the line that is there. My Payne line goes like this: Ananias Payne of Chesterbrook, Fairfax, VA William, son of Ananias of Chesterbrook John, of Georgetown and Munson Hill - married (1)Jane Marcey and (2) Virginia Torrison Theodore mar. Annie E. Birch, lived in present-day Arlington Claude mar. Anne Elizabeth "Bessie" Putman/Putnam of Fauquier, lived in Arlington Ross Asbury of Arlington mar. Elzore (Evelyn) Burgess of Fauquier Ross E. Payne, my father Brenda Lynne Payne Rose, me I'd like to talk with anyone who connects to this line. Brenda Payne Rose

you have from Theodore to present correct not theodore parents correct . check with the Arlington library on this line they have family file there for paynes which is where my cousin use to go before he passed away and would write up what he photo copied and send to me. DLMF http://www.geocities.com/pifox1/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda Rose To: VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [VAFairfax] To DLMF (and others) I tried writing to you at an e-mail address I found, but I don't know if it was a good address. I was on World Tree and saw that you submitted a line for Paynes. There are some errors and I'd like to help correct the line that is there. My Payne line goes like this: Ananias Payne of Chesterbrook, Fairfax, VA William, son of Ananias of Chesterbrook John, of Georgetown and Munson Hill - married (1)Jane Marcey and (2) Virginia Torrison Theodore mar. Annie E. Birch, lived in present-day Arlington Claude mar. Anne Elizabeth "Bessie" Putman/Putnam of Fauquier, lived in Arlington Ross Asbury of Arlington mar. Elzore (Evelyn) Burgess of Fauquier Ross E. Payne, my father Brenda Lynne Payne Rose, me I'd like to talk with anyone who connects to this line. Brenda Payne Rose ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

I am sure that the line back from Theodore to Ananias is correct. I have much documentation from Arlington, Fairfax, and Georgetown DC. I began with the census records. 1850 Georgetown,DC (M432_57 p.216 line 31-39) John Payne and his children are living with an Athe family: M. Athe 50 F VA S. Athe 21 F GTDC J. Payne 35 M coachmaker VA Wm. Payne 15 M student GTDC C. Payne 14 M GTDC J. Payne 12 F GTDC A. Payne 10 M GTDC T. Payne 4 M GTDC E. Payne 2/12 F GTDC John Payne mar. (1) Jane Marcey (spelled Massi) in Washington, DC on 01 Nov 1832. You can find this record on Ancestry.com Washington DC Marriages. Jane died on 11 Jun 1849 according to records at Oak Hill Cemetery in GTDC. Either the census was taken in July 1849 or she actually died in 1850. Either way, John Payne was left a widower with 6 children. John Payne married (2) Virginia F. Torrison in Fauquier Co., VA on 16 Dec 1850. 1860 DC Washington DC (M653_101 p. 44, line 13-21) John Payne 41 M Coach Factory 5000/4000 VA Virginia 31 F VA Charles 22 M Coach painter DC A. R. 18 M Theodore 13 M Samuel 7 M Edward 5 M Blanche 4 F Ann 30 F VA Charles, A. R. (Asbury Rozzel) and Theodore are sons of the first marriage. Those in the 1850 census missing from the 1860: Eldest son William is aready married to Priscilla Richards Entwistle. Daughter Julia is already married to Franklin Smith. Youngest daughter E. apparently died, though I do not have that documented. The younger three children in the 1860 census are from John's second marriage. 1870 VA Fairfax Falls Church Twp. (M593_1645 p. 291B, line 17-23) Payne John 55 M W farmer 19400/1500 VA Virginia 43 F W Keeping house VA Theodore 23 M W farm hand DC Samuel 15 M W at home DC Edward 14 M W at home DC Lydia B. 13 M W at home DC Henry C. 7 M W at home DC Jackson John 33 M M farm hand VA Ball Morton 13 M B farm hand VA On the page just before this (page 291A), is Asbury Rozzel and his wife Margaret Birch, living with her brother (actually nephew, but that's another long story) and his wife: Payne Rossel 28 M W farmer DC Margarette 29 F W Keeping house VA Birch Orlando 23 M W farm hand VA Mildred 18 F W at home VA In Pippenger's book "Alexandria County (Arlington), Virginia Marriage Records, 1853-1895" is this entry on page 197: "PAYNE, Theodore W., farmer, 25, S, Georgetown, DC, (John and Jane), to BIRCH, Anna E., 23, S, Alexandria Co, Sam'l and Ann, S.H. Crenshaw, 11 MAY 1871, Alexandria Co., p. R49/6" Here Theodore's parents are listed as John and Jane. I hope this has been enough documentation to prove that the parents of Theodore W. Payne who married Anna E. Birch were in fact John and Jane (Marcey/Massi) Payne. The books "Arlington Heritage" and "Falls Church By Fence and Fireside" both have more information. While there are some mistakes in each book, there is also substantiation of the lineage I have presented. If anyone wants to share information on the Payne, Massey/Marcey, Richards, or Birch families, I would be happy to share what I have found. There are many connections between these families going back several generations. Theodore Payne and Anna Birch were second cousins, with Caleb Richards their shared great-grandfather. Brenda Payne Rose PS- I plan to look next time I'm in Arlington to find what records are there. Jacob Payne is probably the brother or son of Ananias, but I don't know yet. In the Fairfax County Road Orders 1749-1800 Ananias and Jacob Payne are always in the same group (which also always includes Caleb Richards). Note: The ad below this is one reason I think it's important to correct any line that has errors. Too much is being passed around on the internet that has mistakes. > > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

THEODORE was a farmhand for this payne family 1 john PAYNE b: 1815 in VA d: Bef. 1880 in Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia .. +Virginia Frances TORREYSON b: 1827 in Loudoun, Virginia m: Abt. 1850 d: December 10, 1920 in Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia . 2 Samuel W. PAYNE b: 1851 in WASH DC d: in Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia ..... +Mary P. m: Abt. 1870 .... 3 NORA L PAYNE b: 1871 . 2 EDWARD PAYNE b: 1852 . 2 Lydia Blanche PAYNE b: 1856 in WASH DC d: in Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia . 2 Henry Clay PAYNE b: 1863 1870 > VIRGINIA > FAIRFAX > FALLS CHURCH TWP Series: M593 Roll: 1645 Page: 291 Surname GivenName Age Sex Race Birthplace State County Location Year PAYNE JOHN 55 M W VA VA FAIRFAX FALLS CHURCH TWP 1870 Virginia F. PAYNE Self W Female W 51 VA Keeping House VA VA Samuel W. PAYNE Son M Male W 29 DC Farmer VA VA Mary P. PAYNE Other M Female W 23 IN At Home IN IN Lydia B. PAYNE Other S Female W 24 DC At Home VA VA Nora L. PAYNE Other S Female W 9 VA At Home VA VA Robert COSTIN Other W Male B 50 MD Farm Laborer MD MD Joseph SPEAKS Other M Male B 48 VA Farm Laborer VA VA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Census Place Falls Church, Fairfax, Virginia Family History Library Film 1255364 NA Film Number T9-1364 Page Number 316C DLMF http://www.geocities.com/pifox1/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Brenda Rose To: VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [VAFairfax] To DLMF (and others) I tried writing to you at an e-mail address I found, but I don't know if it was a good address. I was on World Tree and saw that you submitted a line for Paynes. There are some errors and I'd like to help correct the line that is there. My Payne line goes like this: Ananias Payne of Chesterbrook, Fairfax, VA William, son of Ananias of Chesterbrook John, of Georgetown and Munson Hill - married (1)Jane Marcey and (2) Virginia Torrison Theodore mar. Annie E. Birch, lived in present-day Arlington Claude mar. Anne Elizabeth "Bessie" Putman/Putnam of Fauquier, lived in Arlington Ross Asbury of Arlington mar. Elzore (Evelyn) Burgess of Fauquier Ross E. Payne, my father Brenda Lynne Payne Rose, me I'd like to talk with anyone who connects to this line. Brenda Payne Rose ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx