This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/642 Message Board Post: Gene: your e-mail that is posted to this list does not work. My letter to you bounced. Below is the letter I wrote. Please respond to my personal e-mail. The letter was somewhat longer than this and contained personal information. Subject: John Somers From: Grace Upshaw <gu6225@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:55:28 -0600 To: "Harrison, Gene" <EHaris1@Columbus.rr.com> Hello Gene: It is a delight to meet another distant cousin who descends from a brother of my ancestor. I appreciate your kindness in offering to share your valuable records with me. Please let me know cost of copying and postage, plus travel time and I will happily mail you a check. I do have an article concerning old John, published in a historical journal in Alexandria. If you would like for me to copy that for you, I will do so. That is, if I can lay my hands on it. I am not the best researcher or filing person. Thanks for all your help. Let me know about you. Grace

Have been following all versions of "Old John Summers" family for several years and agree there are many errors, incorrect generations and relationships - even in cited sources. For reference I have them all saved trying to sort out. Who is SETH? - is she Seth Harrison d/o Captain Thomas Harrison?, and the Harrisons have been all mixed up not mention that now. Here is a file posted Rootsweb by charles Heffler that includes very good notes on this same point: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=heffwest&id=I855 HEFFLER-STRONG ALSDORF-PENISTEN Entries: 5289 Updated: 2005-11-18 03:25:11 UTC (Fri) Contact: charles heffler Name: seth "sythia" frances short Surname: short Given Name: seth "sythia" frances Sex: F Birth: 1667 in stafford county, virginia Note: Name: Sythia Elizabeth Short Sex: F Birth: ABT. 1667 in Maryland Death: AFT. 1746 in Virginia Note: Her name was likely Seth Short. From: "Two May Families - of Hollow Square, Greene County, Alabama" by Berenice May Fuller, Getweay Press 1988, page 300, "What these sources do not agree about is the name of his wife. In 'Maryland Genealogies', Vol. I p. 233, (published by Genealogical Pub. Co., 1980), she is designated as Sythia Elizabeth Short. One descendant, Walter Harrison (1863-1955) also names Sythia Short. On the memorial marker in the Harrison Cemetery the name is Sophia C. Short. South Carolina genealogist Leonardo Andrea, using the Index of Wills in Stafford Co., Virginia, shows Wills recorded for Thomas Harrison and his wife Anna. This could be a different Thomas Harrison." [This could also be a second spouse] The will of John West reports that she was "Seith Harrison, the wife of Captain Thomas Harrison", and she received 500 lbs of tobacco to buy a mourning ring. Coincidentally, he also left 1000 lbs of tobacco to "Seith Lucas, the wife of Henry Lucas." Might they have been related? The only other woman known to have had this name were a daughter and three granddaughters of Capt. Thomas Harrison and Seth Linton, the daughter of Moses Linton. The last was a godchild of the Captain's. Harrison called his residence "Retirement," the name assigned by "Old Captain Brent" to his home on Aquia Creek. Marriage 1 Thomas Harrison b: 7 SEP 1665 in Chapawamsic, Stafford, Virginia Married: ABT. 1685 Children William Harrison b: ABT. 1685 Sarah Elizabeth Harrison b: ABT. 1688 Frances Harrison b: ABT. 1689 Burr Harrison b: 21 MAY 1699 in Stafford or Prince William County, Virginia Seth Harrison b: ABT. 1701 Thomas Harrison b: ABT. 1704 in Stafford County, Virginia Cuthbert Harrison b: ABT. 1712 Change Date: 1 Mar 2005 at 23:01:53 Marriage 1 captain , thomas harrison b: 7 Sep 1665 in chipawamsic, stafford county, virginia Married: 1689 in stafford county, virginia Children sarah elizabeth harrison b: 1711 2. Thomas I Harrison. Born Sep 7, 1665 in Stafford Co., VA. Died Aug 13, 1746 in Stafford Co., VA. His wife referred to as Seith (Seth), not Sithia Elizabeth. He married Sithia Elizabeth Short. They had the following children: i. Burr II Harrison ii. Cuthbert II Harrison; Born 1712. Died About 1768. iii. Thomas Harrison; Born 1704. Died About 1774. iv. Sarah Harrison; v. Seth Harrison; She married John McMillion. vi. Elizabeth Harrison; She married Benjamin Bullitt.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ratcliffe,Summers, Farr Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/320.1 Message Board Post: Sarah Farr Ratcliffe (Radcliffe Changed from Ratcliff) born 1779 Fairfax co Virginia. She married Francis Summers jr 6/21/1831. I have her back to Capt John Ratcliff as heard of one of the three ships coming to James town in 1607. What do you have on the Ratcliffe?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers,West, Harrison,Walkins Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: On George Summers I have him born 1724 he would be the son of Mary West but if 1722 is correct then Seth (Sythia) Harrison was his mother. Seth father was Thomas Harrison mother Sythia Short,Grandfather and mother Burr Harrison and Frances Burdette on inter net you can take this back to Adam Harrison 1374 England. Also on John grave it say he was 102 but he was born1686 died 1790 that a 104? I have not been to Alexandria Virginia but if you get there go to the Lloyd house on Duke st. they have a large book on the Life of John Summers. If you get there let me know what information it contains. I have a copy of Implied Marriages of Fairfax co. He married Seth 1717 Heny Lucas died 1716. Send me your address and I will send you a copy. My line to John Summers is though son Francis Summers who married Jane (Watkins)Charlton her 1st husband was Andrew Charlton.

John Summers bapt. 14 Nov 1686, Middlesex Co., VA d. 4 Dec. 1790, Fairgax Co. VA. Had 400 desc. at the time of death. He is buried in the family graveyard on his homeplace known as "Summer Grove" near Alexandria VA (now a Fairfax County Park)Married Winter of 1716/7 Mrs. Seith Lucas, widow of neighbor Henry Lucas.Deposition of John Summers: Prince William Co.,Va Land Causes 1789-92 p. 289, 29 Oct. 1785 Children John Summers, b. ca 1717 d. 1788 2. George Summers 3. William Summers d. btwn 5 Sep and 22 Oct 1799, unmarried 4 Elizabeth Summers, Mar. John Hurst., Jr., Daniel Summers, d. 1799 Mrs. Deskins Mrs. Pratt Mrs. Leister Mrs. Ballenger Francis Summers, b. 2 Mrs. 1732, d. 14 Oct 1800 Most info to date has stated that he married Mrs. Blake, Widow Blake or Elizabeth Blake, and unfortunately this has been repeated and copied as a fact. However, in his own deposition he states that he married the widow of Henry Lucas. John Summers, Henry Lucas, Robert Blake and sons, John and Benjamin Blake, all were tenants of John West and mentioned in his will. John West made a bequest to a Seith Lucas in his will. In jStafford County Deed Book J, Page 36, John Summers, his wife Seth, and son John leased land in 1722 from Thomas Harrison for three lives. The Prince william County Order Book 1754-55, 24 Mar. 1754, has an Administration of John Farrow, dec. granted to John Summers and Elizabeth, his wife. I believe that she may have been Elizabeth Blake, the daughter of Robert Blake, who married first Henry Lucas and then upon his death,m John Summers....This probably doesn't help...From yearbook...Fairfax 1997-98..131 Jodi -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of gu6225@earthlink.net Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:52 PM To: VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAFairfax] Re: Children of "old John Summers" This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Somers, Arden, Beekman, Wood, Tomlinson, Thomas, Martin Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply. Do you have marriage record for Old John's 1723 marriage to Mary Blake? My ancestor, George Somers, son of old John was born circa 1720, which would make him the son of Sythia Lucas, according to your records. Perhaps he was Sythia's son, but she died and he was reared by Mary Blake. That sounds like a good scenario. I do not have any copies of marriage bonds, etc...would appreciate copies of yours, for which I would happily pay you. Please let me know via this board or by my personal e-mail address. My ancestor, George, left Fairfax county for Caswell county, N.C., along with his daughter's family, the Landmans (Lanman). This is a fascinating family to study, one of my favorites. ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Somers, Arden, Beekman, Wood, Tomlinson, Thomas, Martin Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thank you for your reply. Do you have marriage record for Old John's 1723 marriage to Mary Blake? My ancestor, George Somers, son of old John was born circa 1720, which would make him the son of Sythia Lucas, according to your records. Perhaps he was Sythia's son, but she died and he was reared by Mary Blake. That sounds like a good scenario. I do not have any copies of marriage bonds, etc...would appreciate copies of yours, for which I would happily pay you. Please let me know via this board or by my personal e-mail address. My ancestor, George, left Fairfax county for Caswell county, N.C., along with his daughter's family, the Landmans (Lanman). This is a fascinating family to study, one of my favorites.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers, Harrison,West,Blake,Lucas Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have a copy of a court record where John married Seth (Harrison) Lucas in 1717. He married Mary (West) Blake in in 1723. Mary(s) 1st husband was Robert Blake, she had two sons Benjamin and John by him. I have the Harrison line back to 1380 in England. I think Mary West father was William West but have no proof.

So, what do you think??? Are we long, long distant cousins??? Barb Pam Sulzer <psulzer47@yahoo.com> wrote: Barbara, One other thing. I found a picture online which appears to be Edward Payne. I found it using Google images. It is located at this address: http://kdl.kyvl.org/images/kukav/61m158/296.jpg A handwritten note on the back of the picture says "Edward Payne, father of Daniel McCarty Payne". It is filed in the Neville Family Papers. Pam Barbara Flores wrote: Dear Pam: Typing minus an injured finger - so greatly apologize for multiple typos in previous email. Want to warn you that B.F. Van Meter's book is written in a very convoluted style, he does not document where he gets his info [mostly word-of-mouth, we think] - found another reference to Payne on p. 32. There is no real index - hopefully Mr Van Meter in Lex., KY who is up-dating BF's book will also index this older book as well. The current "Index" is actually a table of contents. Ido not reccommend your buying it, but checking the librairies for it - it has become a book that on-line genealogists refer to. However, my cousin and I find it very difficult to read and to understand who was descended from whom, etc. NOw, Iwill attempt to type in the info on p.20 and 32 and will forward this to my cousin, in case she knows of any other place in book that Paynes are mentioned. p. 20 " COLONEL THOMAS LEWIS" "Col. Thomas Lewis and wife [ Elizabeth Payne Lewis] removed with their family to Fayette County, KY, in 1780, and settled on a large farm three miles west of Lexington, where they lived for the balance of their lives and raised thirteen children, viz: .... Thomas Lewis was possessed of considerable means when he came to KY, consisting of money, slaves, and live stock. He made extensive investments in lands, and soon became one of the influential and wealthy men of this region fo the country. His brother-in-law, Henry Payne, and his family removed from VA with him and settled on an adjoining farm, and were life-long neighbors....." p. 21 ".....He [Col. Lewis] was a consistent member of the Old Baptist Church (the "Ironside"), and was one of the pillars of a church and congregation, the "meeting house" (Old Sacra) having been located on the line between his farm and that of his brother-in-law, Mr. Payne, and on the public road, where it remained for years after the death of bothof the origina famiulies and the dispersion of their children from these farms......" p. 32 Kittie Lewis, seventh child of Thomas and Eliz. Lewis, was born Dec. 2, 1787, and married her cousin, Colonel Henry C. Payne, of Fayette County, KY. Col. Henry C. Payne was one of the most prominent farmers and gentlemen of Fayette Co., lived on a part of the original Payne homestead adjoining the Lewis homestead, and raised a family of ten children, viz: Romulus Payne, b. July 29, 1809, died unmarried; Remus, born July3, 1811, m. Mary Talbott; Lewis D., b. May11, 1813, m. Eliz. Keene; Eliza, b. May 3, 1815, m. Col. Rodes Estill; Anna Maria, b.April 21 1817, m. Dr. John Jackson; Thomas H., b. NOv. 1 1819, m. Maria Viley; Lydia, b. Feb. 29, 1822, m. B.B. Taylor; Sallie, b. Mar.1, 1824; Benjamin, b. Feb. 22, 1826; Kittie, b. Mar. 23, 1828. Kittie L. Payne died August, 1829. Col. Henry Congers Payne died June 5, 1856. This husband and wife were faithful and consistent members of the Old Baptist Church, and highly respected and esteemed by all of their acquaintances. Many of their descendants are now living in KY and other sections of this Union. ....." Brackets and abbrs. are mine. Also of interest to you, perhaps, is that my cousin FOUND the original Thos.Lewis home on Viley RD in Lex., KY.[She and I each had picture s of the home in our grandmothers' albums, but thought it to be long ago destroyed, as our gradn mothers never showed us the house or spoke of it!] She was uncertain whether the Payne home still stands - I can check with her on that , if you are interested. When she found our Lewis home, it was suffering greatly from neglect and abuse and a builder had recently pur. the property and was building inexpensive homes all around the house and was going to use the house as a "club house", he said. He did not and the house rapidly deteriorated over the few years since she found it, as tenants of the new homes vandalized and abused it. My cousin had different organizations keeping an eye on it for us - the builder would not sell it to my cousin for a reasonable amount, etc., etc. this went on for 4-5 years or more. Most recently, she has mo! ved to KY from Wisconsin, she learned last year that an architect and his wife had bought the home and were restoring it!!!! A beautiful end to a heart-wrenching story! For what it's worth! Sincerely, Barbara Pam Sulzer wrote: Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... 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Barbara, One other thing. I found a picture online which appears to be Edward Payne. I found it using Google images. It is located at this address: http://kdl.kyvl.org/images/kukav/61m158/296.jpg A handwritten note on the back of the picture says "Edward Payne, father of Daniel McCarty Payne". It is filed in the Neville Family Papers. Pam Barbara Flores <bbflores@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Dear Pam: Typing minus an injured finger - so greatly apologize for multiple typos in previous email. Want to warn you that B.F. Van Meter's book is written in a very convoluted style, he does not document where he gets his info [mostly word-of-mouth, we think] - found another reference to Payne on p. 32. There is no real index - hopefully Mr Van Meter in Lex., KY who is up-dating BF's book will also index this older book as well. The current "Index" is actually a table of contents. Ido not reccommend your buying it, but checking the librairies for it - it has become a book that on-line genealogists refer to. However, my cousin and I find it very difficult to read and to understand who was descended from whom, etc. NOw, Iwill attempt to type in the info on p.20 and 32 and will forward this to my cousin, in case she knows of any other place in book that Paynes are mentioned. p. 20 " COLONEL THOMAS LEWIS" "Col. Thomas Lewis and wife [ Elizabeth Payne Lewis] removed with their family to Fayette County, KY, in 1780, and settled on a large farm three miles west of Lexington, where they lived for the balance of their lives and raised thirteen children, viz: .... Thomas Lewis was possessed of considerable means when he came to KY, consisting of money, slaves, and live stock. He made extensive investments in lands, and soon became one of the influential and wealthy men of this region fo the country. His brother-in-law, Henry Payne, and his family removed from VA with him and settled on an adjoining farm, and were life-long neighbors....." p. 21 ".....He [Col. Lewis] was a consistent member of the Old Baptist Church (the "Ironside"), and was one of the pillars of a church and congregation, the "meeting house" (Old Sacra) having been located on the line between his farm and that of his brother-in-law, Mr. Payne, and on the public road, where it remained for years after the death of bothof the origina famiulies and the dispersion of their children from these farms......" p. 32 Kittie Lewis, seventh child of Thomas and Eliz. Lewis, was born Dec. 2, 1787, and married her cousin, Colonel Henry C. Payne, of Fayette County, KY. Col. Henry C. Payne was one of the most prominent farmers and gentlemen of Fayette Co., lived on a part of the original Payne homestead adjoining the Lewis homestead, and raised a family of ten children, viz: Romulus Payne, b. July 29, 1809, died unmarried; Remus, born July3, 1811, m. Mary Talbott; Lewis D., b. May11, 1813, m. Eliz. Keene; Eliza, b. May 3, 1815, m. Col. Rodes Estill; Anna Maria, b.April 21 1817, m. Dr. John Jackson; Thomas H., b. NOv. 1 1819, m. Maria Viley; Lydia, b. Feb. 29, 1822, m. B.B. Taylor; Sallie, b. Mar.1, 1824; Benjamin, b. Feb. 22, 1826; Kittie, b. Mar. 23, 1828. Kittie L. Payne died August, 1829. Col. Henry Congers Payne died June 5, 1856. This husband and wife were faithful and consistent members of the Old Baptist Church, and highly respected and esteemed by all of their acquaintances. Many of their descendants are now living in KY and other sections of this Union. ....." Brackets and abbrs. are mine. Also of interest to you, perhaps, is that my cousin FOUND the original Thos.Lewis home on Viley RD in Lex., KY.[She and I each had picture s of the home in our grandmothers' albums, but thought it to be long ago destroyed, as our gradn mothers never showed us the house or spoke of it!] She was uncertain whether the Payne home still stands - I can check with her on that , if you are interested. When she found our Lewis home, it was suffering greatly from neglect and abuse and a builder had recently pur. the property and was building inexpensive homes all around the house and was going to use the house as a "club house", he said. He did not and the house rapidly deteriorated over the few years since she found it, as tenants of the new homes vandalized and abused it. My cousin had different organizations keeping an eye on it for us - the builder would not sell it to my cousin for a reasonable amount, etc., etc. this went on for 4-5 years or more. Most recently, she has mo! ved to KY from Wisconsin, she learned last year that an architect and his wife had bought the home and were restoring it!!!! A beautiful end to a heart-wrenching story! For what it's worth! Sincerely, Barbara Pam Sulzer wrote: Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... 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Barbara, Thanks for the update! The home of Lewis Ellzey Turner and Theodosia Payne was also located west of Lexington on what is now known as Fares Farm, a horse farm. Several years ago some distant cousins took pictures of tombstones located on the property. Among the stones were those of Edward Payne and wife Ann Holland Conyers (y instead of g) and Lewis Ellzey Turner and wife Theodosia Payne. My Turners were also members of a/the baptist church. Believe it was called the Forks of Elkhorn Baptist Church. Wonderful to hear that the Thomas Lewis home is being restored! My Turner line goes way back with the Lewis family. I haven't proven it yet but I believe my earliest Turner, Fielding Turner (b. 1706), was married to an Ann Lewis from the Northumberland Co., VA area. Pam Barbara Flores <bbflores@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Dear Pam: Typing minus an injured finger - so greatly apologize for multiple typos in previous email. Want to warn you that B.F. Van Meter's book is written in a very convoluted style, he does not document where he gets his info [mostly word-of-mouth, we think] - found another reference to Payne on p. 32. There is no real index - hopefully Mr Van Meter in Lex., KY who is up-dating BF's book will also index this older book as well. The current "Index" is actually a table of contents. Ido not reccommend your buying it, but checking the librairies for it - it has become a book that on-line genealogists refer to. However, my cousin and I find it very difficult to read and to understand who was descended from whom, etc. NOw, Iwill attempt to type in the info on p.20 and 32 and will forward this to my cousin, in case she knows of any other place in book that Paynes are mentioned. p. 20 " COLONEL THOMAS LEWIS" "Col. Thomas Lewis and wife [ Elizabeth Payne Lewis] removed with their family to Fayette County, KY, in 1780, and settled on a large farm three miles west of Lexington, where they lived for the balance of their lives and raised thirteen children, viz: .... Thomas Lewis was possessed of considerable means when he came to KY, consisting of money, slaves, and live stock. He made extensive investments in lands, and soon became one of the influential and wealthy men of this region fo the country. His brother-in-law, Henry Payne, and his family removed from VA with him and settled on an adjoining farm, and were life-long neighbors....." p. 21 ".....He [Col. Lewis] was a consistent member of the Old Baptist Church (the "Ironside"), and was one of the pillars of a church and congregation, the "meeting house" (Old Sacra) having been located on the line between his farm and that of his brother-in-law, Mr. Payne, and on the public road, where it remained for years after the death of bothof the origina famiulies and the dispersion of their children from these farms......" p. 32 Kittie Lewis, seventh child of Thomas and Eliz. Lewis, was born Dec. 2, 1787, and married her cousin, Colonel Henry C. Payne, of Fayette County, KY. Col. Henry C. Payne was one of the most prominent farmers and gentlemen of Fayette Co., lived on a part of the original Payne homestead adjoining the Lewis homestead, and raised a family of ten children, viz: Romulus Payne, b. July 29, 1809, died unmarried; Remus, born July3, 1811, m. Mary Talbott; Lewis D., b. May11, 1813, m. Eliz. Keene; Eliza, b. May 3, 1815, m. Col. Rodes Estill; Anna Maria, b.April 21 1817, m. Dr. John Jackson; Thomas H., b. NOv. 1 1819, m. Maria Viley; Lydia, b. Feb. 29, 1822, m. B.B. Taylor; Sallie, b. Mar.1, 1824; Benjamin, b. Feb. 22, 1826; Kittie, b. Mar. 23, 1828. Kittie L. Payne died August, 1829. Col. Henry Congers Payne died June 5, 1856. This husband and wife were faithful and consistent members of the Old Baptist Church, and highly respected and esteemed by all of their acquaintances. Many of their descendants are now living in KY and other sections of this Union. ....." Brackets and abbrs. are mine. Also of interest to you, perhaps, is that my cousin FOUND the original Thos.Lewis home on Viley RD in Lex., KY.[She and I each had picture s of the home in our grandmothers' albums, but thought it to be long ago destroyed, as our gradn mothers never showed us the house or spoke of it!] She was uncertain whether the Payne home still stands - I can check with her on that , if you are interested. When she found our Lewis home, it was suffering greatly from neglect and abuse and a builder had recently pur. the property and was building inexpensive homes all around the house and was going to use the house as a "club house", he said. He did not and the house rapidly deteriorated over the few years since she found it, as tenants of the new homes vandalized and abused it. My cousin had different organizations keeping an eye on it for us - the builder would not sell it to my cousin for a reasonable amount, etc., etc. this went on for 4-5 years or more. Most recently, she has mo! ved to KY from Wisconsin, she learned last year that an architect and his wife had bought the home and were restoring it!!!! A beautiful end to a heart-wrenching story! For what it's worth! Sincerely, Barbara Pam Sulzer wrote: Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... [this would be the approximate time that Edward Payne and family moved to Fayette Co., KY - I believe] For what it's worth!! 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Dear Pam: Typing minus an injured finger - so greatly apologize for multiple typos in previous email. Want to warn you that B.F. Van Meter's book is written in a very convoluted style, he does not document where he gets his info [mostly word-of-mouth, we think] - found another reference to Payne on p. 32. There is no real index - hopefully Mr Van Meter in Lex., KY who is up-dating BF's book will also index this older book as well. The current "Index" is actually a table of contents. Ido not reccommend your buying it, but checking the librairies for it - it has become a book that on-line genealogists refer to. However, my cousin and I find it very difficult to read and to understand who was descended from whom, etc. NOw, Iwill attempt to type in the info on p.20 and 32 and will forward this to my cousin, in case she knows of any other place in book that Paynes are mentioned. p. 20 " COLONEL THOMAS LEWIS" "Col. Thomas Lewis and wife [ Elizabeth Payne Lewis] removed with their family to Fayette County, KY, in 1780, and settled on a large farm three miles west of Lexington, where they lived for the balance of their lives and raised thirteen children, viz: .... Thomas Lewis was possessed of considerable means when he came to KY, consisting of money, slaves, and live stock. He made extensive investments in lands, and soon became one of the influential and wealthy men of this region fo the country. His brother-in-law, Henry Payne, and his family removed from VA with him and settled on an adjoining farm, and were life-long neighbors....." p. 21 ".....He [Col. Lewis] was a consistent member of the Old Baptist Church (the "Ironside"), and was one of the pillars of a church and congregation, the "meeting house" (Old Sacra) having been located on the line between his farm and that of his brother-in-law, Mr. Payne, and on the public road, where it remained for years after the death of bothof the origina famiulies and the dispersion of their children from these farms......" p. 32 Kittie Lewis, seventh child of Thomas and Eliz. Lewis, was born Dec. 2, 1787, and married her cousin, Colonel Henry C. Payne, of Fayette County, KY. Col. Henry C. Payne was one of the most prominent farmers and gentlemen of Fayette Co., lived on a part of the original Payne homestead adjoining the Lewis homestead, and raised a family of ten children, viz: Romulus Payne, b. July 29, 1809, died unmarried; Remus, born July3, 1811, m. Mary Talbott; Lewis D., b. May11, 1813, m. Eliz. Keene; Eliza, b. May 3, 1815, m. Col. Rodes Estill; Anna Maria, b.April 21 1817, m. Dr. John Jackson; Thomas H., b. NOv. 1 1819, m. Maria Viley; Lydia, b. Feb. 29, 1822, m. B.B. Taylor; Sallie, b. Mar.1, 1824; Benjamin, b. Feb. 22, 1826; Kittie, b. Mar. 23, 1828. Kittie L. Payne died August, 1829. Col. Henry Congers Payne died June 5, 1856. This husband and wife were faithful and consistent members of the Old Baptist Church, and highly respected and esteemed by all of their acquaintances. Many of their descendants are now living in KY and other sections of this Union. ....." Brackets and abbrs. are mine. Also of interest to you, perhaps, is that my cousin FOUND the original Thos.Lewis home on Viley RD in Lex., KY.[She and I each had picture s of the home in our grandmothers' albums, but thought it to be long ago destroyed, as our gradn mothers never showed us the house or spoke of it!] She was uncertain whether the Payne home still stands - I can check with her on that , if you are interested. When she found our Lewis home, it was suffering greatly from neglect and abuse and a builder had recently pur. the property and was building inexpensive homes all around the house and was going to use the house as a "club house", he said. He did not and the house rapidly deteriorated over the few years since she found it, as tenants of the new homes vandalized and abused it. My cousin had different organizations keeping an eye on it for us - the builder would not sell it to my cousin for a reasonable amount, etc., etc. this went on for 4-5 years or more. Most recently, she has mo! ved to KY from Wisconsin, she learned last year that an architect and his wife had bought the home and were restoring it!!!! A beautiful end to a heart-wrenching story! For what it's worth! Sincerely, Barbara Pam Sulzer <psulzer47@yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... [this would be the approximate time that Edward Payne and family moved to Fayette Co., KY - I believe] For what it's worth!! 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SBC.2ACI/640.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The only other thing I can suggest is to try to find an obituary or death certificate for either one of them to see if indicates the cemetery. There is a book which indexes obits from the Alexandria Gazette up to 1915 -- many Fairfax obits were included in the Gazette.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Coulter Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SBC.2ACI/640.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the info Carol. Alexander and his wife are proving to be a mystery as to where they are buried. Alexander was a Confederate veteran who appears on the 1880 census in Dranesville. He does not appear on the 1900 or later census, so he dies sometime between 1880 and 1900. His wife appears on the 1900 census living with her daughter and her husband in Dranesville. Deniza no longer appears in the census after 1900. She files for a pension with Virginia in 1901. So I'm assuming she dies prior to 1910. Both were born in Fairfax County, so while its an assumption, they're probably buried in Dranesville or at the very least in Fairfax County. Another gentleman emailed me offline saying they are not listed in the master index of Fairfax cemeteries. May have been listed as Colter, but in census and other records the name is spelled correctly. Thanks again for the info. If anyone has other suggestions on where I can look, I'd appreciate the advise. Jonathan Coulter

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/SBC.2ACI/640.1 Message Board Post: There is a good list of Fairfax County cemeteries at: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/branches/vr/cem/index.htm The only one with Dranesville in the name is the following: DRANESVILLE UNITED METHODIST CHURCH 11720 Sugarland Rd., Herndon, Va. The church, originally called Liberty Meeting House, was allegedly built using bricks that came from the old Sugarland Chapel (St Timothy's Episcopal Church, FX168). In the 1950's the church is reported to have removed the gravestones, graded the area with a bulldozer, and then replaced the stones in their proper positions. Two trenches, thought to be the mass graves of Confederate casualties from the Battle of Dranesville (Dec. 20, 1861), were noted at the end of the cemetery. There were 40+ headstones, some broken or displaced, and an unknown number of unmarked burials.

Thanks for the information on Edward Payne, etc. I descend through his daughter Theodosia Payne who married Lewis Ellzey Turner. I believe they all migrated to KY around 1786. It appears that this book is available on CD for $15 at www.StemmonsPublishing.com. It is included on disc #2 along with several other books. Shipping and handling is a bit steep at $9 or $10 dollars per disc. The book alone can be purchased for $24 plus S&H from a few places that I found on www.Google.com. Pam bbflores@sbcglobal.net wrote: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... [this would be the approximate time that Edward Payne and family moved to Fayette Co., KY - I believe] For what it's worth!! This genealogy book was reprinted by Clearfield in 2000 and 2003 bbflores @sbcglobal.net ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Payne and Lewis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/628.2 Message Board Post: As one of your responders already mentioned, William Payne may well be kin to the Edward Payne [m. Anne H. Conyers] family that emigrated from VA to Fayette Co., KY. Accoding to a gen. book written by our great, great Grandfather, Benjamin F. Van Meter ["Genealogies and Sketches of Some Old Families, pub. 1901], the Edward Payne family moved to KY from VA about the same time as the Thomas Lewis family - farms were adjoining in KY- several of the children from the two families married, I believe. p. 28 mentions "Mr. Payne's residence" on Main Street in Lexington, KY in 1857. Hector P. Lewis who is herein being discussed was son of Thomas Lewis and Elizabeth Payne[daughter of Edward Payne] - do not know which "Mr. Payne" he is referring to on this page. Paynes mentioned several times in book in connection with the Lewises - no real index - when this gets digitized by Mormons, it may be of help to you. But, yoy might also try theKY Census for the time period you are seearc! hing, as William Payne might well be in KY at that time and his papers woul be there possibly??? On p. 103: "Elizabeth Payne descended from a very aristocratic family of Welch and Schotch nobility, who wielded quite an influence in Scotland as far back as the year 1500. the motto on the crest of the Payne family when they fought against the Duke of Normandy at the Battle of Hastings was 'Ready! ah, ready!' Sir Stephen Payne, of St. Christopher's Island, was of an ancient Devonshire family, and was a member of the Council and a supporter of King Charles1st during the civil war; fled from England and settled on the island of St. Christopher. In 1620 Sir Robert Payne's two sons, William and John, emigrated to America. Sir William settled in MD near Leonardstown; Sir John in Fairfax Co., VA, on a grant of land made to them by King James 1st. this grant of land was called "Payne's Manor," and comprised many thousand acres. It is said that the King gave this munificent grant to placate these young and ambitious sprigs of nobility to get them to the new world, because he feared their power and influence in their native land. William Payne, son of Sir Hohn Payne, was born in Fairfax County, VA, August 10 1671. He married for his second wife Anna Jennings, and their children were Edward, William, and Sandford. The eldest son, Edward, m. Lady Ann Holland Congers, who was related to Lord Holland (Duke of Richmond). Eliz. Payne, our great-grandmother, was the eldest daughter of the above-named parents. They were m. in Fairfax Co., VA , Octobeer 27 1773. ..... Col Thomas Lewis removed to Fayette Co., KY, in 1780 with his lovely wife... [this would be the approximate time that Edward Payne and family moved to Fayette Co., KY - I believe] For what it's worth!! This genealogy book was reprinted by Clearfield in 2000 and 2003 bbflores @sbcglobal.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/641 Message Board Post: Elizabeth Offutt was the widow of Stephen Lewis of Fairfax Co., VA said to have married Captain William Douglas [her second husband] in (or, he was from there) Ayrshire, Scotland before 1761. They [Eliz. and Stephen Lewis] are said to have had five children [according to one source]: Eliz.(1747-) m.Patterson; Thomas(1749-)m.Elizabeth Payne 1773; Jane (1752-)m. William Nielson of Scotland; Sally m. Dr. Shrope, amd Elizabeth m. Smith. I am descended from Thomas Lewis that m. Eliz. Payne. Need more information on Elizabeth Offutt, birth and death dates and places -marriage dates and places. Need more information on Stephen Lewis of Fairfax Co.,VA - birth (VA?) and death dates and places. And where they were both buried. Would be extremely interested in Stephen's relationship to John Lewis the pioneer. Also the parentage of Stephen Lewis and Elizabeth Offutt. I have one source saying that Eliz. Offutt "b.13 JAN 1727/28 in Prince George's County, MD" "Death: 1770 in Loudon Co.,VA" "Father: Samuel Owen Offutt, b. 18 Oct 1710 in Berkeley Co., VA" "Mother: Elizabeth Hite, b. 13JAN 1714/15""Marriage 1 :William Douglas, b. 20MAR 1731/32 in Ayr Scotland. m. 12 JUN 1761" No info on Stephen Lewis??? Does anyone have anything on him? He appears on lists of the church George Washington attended - If it is the same Stephen Lewis. Apparently, he died young. But, how?? in battle?? Who are his parents??? Thanks for any help you might provide. Barbara Flores bbflores@sbcglobal.net

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167 references to various Coulters in Fairfax Newspapers: http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/library/newsindex/listing. NewspaperDatePageSubject Alexandria Gazette6/22/185503Braxton Wm. P. Dr. Married. Virginia B. Coulter Fairfax Herald 10/24/194701 Coulter Burley E. Married to Eileen J. Edge Alexandria Gazette6/22/185503Coulter Virginia B Married. Dr. Wm. P. Braxton Fairfax Herald 10/24/194701 Edge Eileen J. Married to Burley Coulter NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Herald 5/3/188901 Coulter A.M. Cpl. Confederate Soldier Fairfax Herald 9/21/188803 Coulter A.M. Granted Confederate War Pension Fairfax Herald 10/20/197202 Coulter A.M. Mentioned in 9/21/1888 Fx. Herald Fairfax Herald 7/10/190303 Coulter A.W. Gettysburg battle veteran Fairfax Herald 12/21/196201 Coulter Allan Given performance certificate Herndon Observer 1/10/193501 Coulter B. Has high school farm project Fairfax City Times 5/15/196404 Coulter B.E. Mrs. Hospital auxiliary award Herndon Observer 8/18/192701 Coulter Besse Mrs. Colvin Run carnival committee Fairfax Herald 10/29/192605 Coulter Bessie Colvin Run Community League Herndon Observer 2/17/192701 Coulter Bessie Mrs Benefit bazaar chairman Herndon Observer 5/26/192701 Coulter Bessie Mrs Chairs bazaar committee Herndon Observer 7/23/193103 Coulter Bessie Mrs Colvin Run Assn. committee Fairfax Herald 7/2/192602 Coulter Bessie Mrs Colvin Run Comm. League officer Herndon Observer 5/16/192901 Coulter Bessie Mrs Colvin Run League committee Herndon Observer 5/21/193103 Coulter Bessie Mrs Community League committee Herndon Observer 6/17/192601 Coulter Bessie Mrs Community League officer Fairfax Herald 10/30/193101 Coulter Bessie Mrs Grange Hallowe'en party committ Herndon Observer 7/20/193301 Coulter Bessie Mrs Has an operation Herndon Observer 7/6/193301 Coulter Bessie Mrs Improves after recent illness Fairfax Herald 3/24/193304 Coulter Bessie Mrs In charge of benefit supper Number of matches: 167Search page number: 2 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Herald 12/11/193101 Coulter Bessie Mrs Named to carnival committee Fairfax Herald 8/26/192705 Coulter Bessie Mrs On carnival committee Fairfax Herald 9/2/192705 Coulter Bessie Mrs On carnival committee Fairfax Herald 8/26/193201 Coulter Bessie Mrs On carnival committee Fairfax Herald 8/14/193101 Coulter Bessie Mrs On citizen's assn. committee Herndon Observer 5/19/192704 Coulter Bessie Mrs On Colvin Run League committee Fairfax Herald 5/20/192705 Coulter Bessie Mrs On Community League committee Fairfax Herald 5/22/193106 Coulter Bessie Mrs On Community League committee Herndon Observer 1/28/193203 Coulter Bessie Mrs On dance committee Herndon Observer 4/21/193202 Coulter Bessie Mrs On dance committee Fairfax Herald 10/28/193201 Coulter Bessie Mrs On Hallowe'en party committee Fairfax Herald 2/26/193204 Coulter Bessie Mrs On Leap Year dance committee Herndon Observer 4/21/192701 Coulter Bessie Mrs Serves League refreshments Fairfax Herald 5/17/192901 Coulter Betsey Mrs Community League officer Fairfax Herald 5/25/192801 Coulter Betsy Mrs. Community league committee Fairfax Herald 3/28/196902 Coulter Bette To teach Y.W.C.A. course Fairfax Herald 5/3/196803 Coulter Bettie Mrs. To conduct Y.W.C.A. workshop Fairfax Herald 3/22/196803 Coulter Bettie Y.W.C.A. class instructor Fairfax Herald 10/4/196805 Coulter Betty To teach Y.W.C.A. course Fairfax City Times 1/25/196201 Coulter Burley E. Bank branch manager Number of matches: 167Search page number: 3 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Herald 10/24/194701 Coulter Burley E. Married to Eileen J. Edge Fairfax Herald 5/15/193601 Coulter Burley E. To graduate from high school Herndon Observer 5/21/193601 Coulter Burley E. To graduate from high school Fairfax Herald 12/6/193506 Coulter Burley Elected Future Farmers officer Fairfax Herald 12/4/192503 Coulter Burley Forestville School honor roll Fairfax Herald 12/11/192505 Coulter Burley Forestville School honor roll Fairfax Herald 5/21/192603 Coulter Burley Forestville School honor roll Fairfax Herald 2/22/193504 Coulter Burley In high school play Fairfax Herald 12/28/193401 Coulter Burley In high school Shakespeare play Fairfax City Times 7/1/196638 Coulter Burley In pigtail league history Herndon Observer 12/5/193501 Coulter Burley On F.F.A. banquet program Herndon Observer 11/19/192501 Coulter Burley On Forestville Sch. honor roll Herndon Observer 12/10/192501 Coulter Burley On Forestville Sch. honor roll Herndon Observer 5/20/192601 Coulter Burley On Forestville Sch. honor roll Fairfax City Times 1/29/196508 Coulter Burley Photo. First Nat. Bank of Arl. VP Herndon Observer 12/5/193501 Coulter Burley Plays at F.F.A. banquet Fairfax Herald 12/6/193501 Coulter Burley Plays for father and son banquet Fairfax City Times 7/8/196625 Coulter Burley Ponytail team manager Herndon Observer 4/4/193505 Coulter Burley Receives F.F.V. certificate Fairfax City Times 7/20/196746 Coulter Edie On Vienna All-Star softball team Number of matches: 167Search page number: 4 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax City Times 6/12/196419 Coulter Edie Pigtail League softball player Fairfax City Times 6/19/196417 Coulter Edie Pigtail League softball player Fairfax Herald 4/26/193501 Coulter Edith Chosen May Queen Herndon Observer 5/2/193501 Coulter Edith Chosen May Queen Fairfax Herald 5/10/193504 Coulter Edith Cround May Queen Herndon Observer 5/9/193501 Coulter Edith Crowned May Day queen Fairfax Herald 6/7/193501 Coulter Edith Graduates from Herndon High Sch. Herndon Observer 6/6/193501 Coulter Edith Herndon High School graduate Fairfax Herald 10/5/193404 Coulter Edith Herndon High School paper staff Fairfax City Times 12/15/196630 Coulter Edith In Nutcracker Ballet Herndon Observer 6/6/193501 Coulter Edith On high school play committee Fairfax City Times 7/8/196625 Coulter Edith On ponytail team Fairfax Herald 11/16/193404 Coulter Edith On school newspaper staff Herndon Observer 11/15/193401 Coulter Edith On school paper staff Fairfax Herald 4/12/193503 Coulter Edith Selected as May Queen Fairfax Herald 5/10/193504 Coulter Edith To graduate from Herndon High Sch. Herndon Observer 8/12/193701 Coulter Emma Guest of Mrs. Fannie Conner Herndon Observer 7/7/193804 Coulter Emma Mrs. Guest at Dranesville Tavern Fairfax Herald 7/16/196501 Coulter Gary Daughter born at Fairfax Hospital Alexandria Gazette6/22/185503Coulter George T. Daughter marries Number of matches: 167Search page number: 5 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Herald 6/19/190802 Coulter H.B. Mrs. Visits Mrs. F.H. Wilkinson Fairfax Herald 8/1/196906 Coulter Irene M. Lake Barcroft Comm. Assn. mbr. Fairfax Herald 1/29/196001 Coulter Irene M. Mrs. District census office mangr Fairfax Herald 3/11/196001 Coulter Irene Mrs. Appts. census crew leaders Herndon Observer 8/18/192701 Coulter J. Colvin Run carnival committee Herndon Observer 8/18/192701 Coulter J.H. Enjoys Potomac outing Fairfax Herald 3/24/193304 Coulter J.H. In charge of benefit supper Fairfax Independent 6/27/192901 Coulter J.H. Mrs. On festival committee Fairfax Independent 11/28/192902 Coulter J.H. Mrs. On oyster supper committee Fairfax Herald 12/11/193101 Coulter J.H. Named to carnival committee Fairfax Herald 8/26/193201 Coulter J.H. On carnival committee Fairfax Herald 8/14/193101 Coulter J.H. On citizen's assn. committee Herndon Observer 1/28/193203 Coulter J.H. On dance committee Fairfax Herald 10/28/193201 Coulter J.H. On Hallowe'en party committee Fairfax Herald 3/25/193201 Coulter J.H. On memorial tree committee Herndon Observer 7/15/192601 Coulter J.H. Visited by Will Coulter Fairfax Herald 3/4/191002 Coulter James Attends a dance Herndon Observer 7/23/193103 Coulter James Colvin Run Assn. officer Fairfax Herald 7/24/193101 Coulter James Colvin Run Citizen's Assn. Fairfax Herald 11/23/190002 Coulter James County annual statement, 1900 Number of matches: 167Search page number: 6 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Herald 5/4/195601 Coulter James D. Announces Amer. Legion poppy sale Fairfax Herald 5/9/195801 Coulter James D. Mrs. American Legion Aux. pres. Fairfax Herald 3/16/195601 Coulter James D. Mrs. Cancer Soc. district chairma Fairfax Herald 1/30/195301 Coulter James D. Mrs. Given Community Chest award Fairfax Herald 7/16/195401 Coulter James D. Vienna American Legion officer Fairfax Herald 12/28/195101 Coulter James D. Vienna Masonic officer Fairfax City Times 1/19/196711 Coulter James D.Dr Daughter visits in Mexico Fairfax City Times 8/14/196422 Coulter James Freedom Park swim coach Herndon Observer 10/24/192901 Coulter James Gives a benefit dance Fairfax Herald 6/6/193006 Coulter James Mrs. Colvin Run League committee Herndon Observer 11/28/192901 Coulter James Mrs. Directs benefit oyster supper Fairfax Herald 12/24/192605 Coulter James Mrs. In charge of an entertainment Fairfax Herald 11/23/193403 Coulter James Mrs. On benefit dance committee Fairfax Herald 5/22/193601 Coulter James Mrs. On citizen's assn. committee Herndon Observer 12/3/192501 Coulter James Mrs. Presides over fancy work booth Herndon Observer 12/13/193408 Coulter James On barn dance committee Fairfax Herald 11/23/193403 Coulter James On benefit dance committee Fairfax Herald 5/22/193601 Coulter James On citizen's assn. committee Fairfax Herald 7/3/193101 Coulter James Organization to purchase school Fairfax Herald 7/15/195501 Coulter James Vienna American Legion commander Number of matches: 167 Search page number: 7 Fairfax City Times 1/25/1962 01 Coulter Jayne B. Mrs. Chairs fashion show Fairfax City Times 2/1/1962 03 Coulter Jayne B. Mrs. Plans fashion show. Photo Fairfax City Times 5/22/1964 C06 Coulter Jayne B. Mrs. Visiting Nurse Serv. officer Fairfax City Times 5/16/1963 01 Coulter Jayne C. Mrs. Visiting Nurse Serv. officer Fairfax City Times 5/17/1962 03 Coulter Jayne Mrs. Visiting Nurse Serv. officer Fairfax Herald 5/11/1962 01 Coulter Jayne Mrs. Visiting Nurse Service presiden Fairfax City Times 4/1/1966 11 Coulter Jeralyn A. In water show at Ill. Wesleyan Fairfax City Times 1/19/1967 11 Coulter Jeralyn At Ill. Weleyan University Fairfax City Times 7/31/1964 07 Coulter Jeralyn Freedom Park swim team Fairfax City Times 8/7/1964 18 Coulter Jeralyn On Freedom Park swim team Fairfax City Times 8/14/1964 22 Coulter Jeralyn Organizes swim meet Fairfax Herald 8/15/1958 01 Coulter Jeralyn Won prize at 4-H fair Herndon Observer 12/20/1934 05 Coulter Jim Mrs. On dance committee Herndon Observer 12/20/1934 05 Coulter Jim On dance committee Fairfax Herald 10/19/1934 01 Coulter Jim On tournament committee Alexandria Gazette 2/2/1861 03 Coulter John D. Commissioner to Washington, DC Fairfax Herald 8/16/1935 04 Coulter Julia Herndon High School teacher Herndon Observer 8/22/1935 04 Coulter Julia Herndon High School teacher Fairfax Herald 6/5/1953 06 Coulter Karon Ann To graduate from Mt. Vernon H.S. Fairfax Herald 8/1/1969 06 Coulter Kirkley S. Lake Barcroft Comm. Assn. mbr. How do I get copies? Number of matches: 167Search page number: 8 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax City Times 9/2/196613 Coulter Laura E. Deb feted at a brunch Fairfax City Times 7/1/196635 Coulter Lynette On Vienna Pigtail team Fairfax City Times 6/29/196735 Coulter Lynette Played in softball game Herndon Observer 9/10/193601 Coulter Mr. & Mrs. Visited by Mrs. Olive Moss Alexandria Gazette6/6/186302Coulter Mr. Convicted of murder, executed Fairfax Herald 3/22/196804 Coulter Robert Mrs. Attended Women's Club meeting Fairfax City Times 6/22/196716 Coulter Robert Photo. Woodson H.S. class of 1967 Fairfax City Times 6/12/196417 Coulter Sharon League softball player Fairfax City Times 6/5/196417 Coulter Sharon Pigtail softball league player Fairfax Herald 6/8/190602 Coulter Thomas Election clerk Fairfax City Times 10/26/196725 Coulter Vern On delinquent tax list for 1966 Herndon Observer 7/23/193103 Coulter Virgie Mrs Cemetery Assn. home-coming Alexandria Gazette6/22/185503Coulter Virginia B Married. Dr. Wm. P. Braxton Fairfax Herald 5/30/193001 Coulter Virginia Mrs. Cemetery Assn. officer Fairfax Herald 4/11/193001 Coulter W.H. Browns Chapel Cemetery trustee The Local News11/16/186101Coulter Walter Unclaimed letter at post office Herndon Observer 7/15/192601 Coulter Will Guest of J.H. Coulter Fairfax Herald 8/15/193006 Coulter William Andrew Chapel Cemetery Assn. Fairfax Herald 10/3/196906 Coulter William B. Estate settlement notice Fairfax Herald 6/10/193206 Coulter William Browns Chapel Cemetery Assn. Number of matches: 167Search page number: 9 NewspaperDatePageSubject Fairfax Independent 5/30/192901 Coulter William Charged with criminal assault Fairfax Herald 6/7/192906 Coulter William Guilty of assault on girl Fairfax Independent 6/6/192901 Coulter William Guilty of felonious rape Fairfax Herald 5/30/193001 Coulter William Home Coming Day committee Fairfax Herald 5/31/192901 Coulter William Indicted for assault Fairfax Herald 3/1/190703 Coulter William Visits at Colvin Run Fairfax Herald 3/15/190702 Coulter William Visits sister in Anacostia

In a message dated 11/22/2005 6:33:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, jon@jcoulter.com writes: I'm looking for the following two individuals: Alexander Mankin Coulter and Denzia J Coulter. Any other Coulters in Fairfax County would be of interest as well. Fairfax Cemetery Index book lists the following 6 Coulters: COULTER Bessie Moxley VN21 - Vienna area --w/o James H - Andrew Chapel Cemetery 1877- no date of death James H VN21 same - 1872-1949 Eugene T GF43 - Great Falls area - Smith's Chapel Cemetery b Apr 6 1896 d Sept 10 1920 Temple L RS6 - Reston area - Brown's Chapel Cemetery - s/o William H & Virgie L Coulter 1909 1917 Virgie L RS6 - no burial referenced other than being parents of above child per inscription William H RS6 - same