From my collection of notes. All comments added by me include a current year in paranthasis e.g 2005-2006. Welcome additions/ corrections with documentation. Here is a John Summers - his will probated Feb 1788 in Fairfax Co Va. He named wife Marey at death - Children: John, Simon, William, Mary Humphrey, Sarah Ferguson Comparing with other documents it seems to agree: Will book Fairfax Co, Va Summrs, John 28 Jan 1788 Feb 1788 Wife: Marey. Children: John, Simon, William, Mary Humphrey, Sarah Ferguson. Daughters to have land on the waters of the Ohio. Son in law James Sharp Ferguson and William Ferguson 400 acres each. Exrs: wife and sons Simon and John. Wit: William Lewis, Charles Broadwater, William Summers. Sorting this out 2005 Questions noted to myself to investigate: This we know from will.... Owns land on waters in Ohio in per will 1788 (2005 -1000 acres in Kentucky County, N & S of Mill Creek, bordering the Ohio River per other poster) Wife Mary alive at his death in Feb 1788 (may be nee Sharp, Wickliff or Kinchelo) names 3 sons : John, Simon and William - alive after 1819 names 2 daughters: Mary married a Humphrey? and Sarah nee Summers Ferguson m James Sharp Ferguson Daughters to have land on water of the Ohio and who is William Ferguson relationship? August 2005 - This John Sommers d Feb 1788 appears to be s/o old John Summers aka John Summers Sr Agrees with data on following court record 1819? Simon Summers age 68 (not sure of exact document date 1819?) would give apx birth date of 1740. Court Record Data Context Extract Army Edward Grimes taken up as a vagrant & sent into the army Coal coal kiln on Accotink Run on land of Henry Fitzhugh Deed John Summers Sr. to John Summers &c - Fairfax Co. - 1785 Defendant John Sommers; Simon Sommers (68); George May; John F. May; Benjamin H. May; Richard May; Eliz. F. May; David May; Joseph E. May; James May; Lucy A. May; Henry May; Mary A. May; John Fitzhugh; Harrison Fitzhugh; Sarah Lane Deponent / Affiant Robert Ratcliffe; Nicholas Sebastian (65); Edward Summers; Sarah Mills (38); Tomazin Ellzey (75); William Steel (72); Lydia Richards; William Gooding; Lewis Summers (16); John Dulin Family John Summers & William Summers, sons of John Summers (2006 - d 2-1788) Family Thomas Daily married the sister of the wife of Edward Grimes Family William Ferguson & James Sharps Ferguson, sons in law of John Summers Family Edward Grimes, an own uncle to Lydia Richards Family Lydia Richards, widow of William Richards Family John Sommers, grandson of John Sommers (aka John Summers) Locality Henrico Co.; Fairfax Co.; Prince George Co. Marriage FNU Weeden -mr- Nancy Grimes, former wife of Edward Grimes Marriage George May -mr- Ann Fitzhugh, daughter of John Fitzhugh Marriage William Mayo -mr- Lucy Fitzhugh, daughter of John Fitzhugh Marriage FNU Humphreys -mr- Mary Summers, daughter of John Summers(2006 d 2-1788) Plaintiff Daniel McCarty Chichester Surveyor Thomazin Ellsey - 1780 Tract Brandon - home of John Fitzhugh; Ravensworth Will John Summers - Fairfax Co. - 1788 Administrative Information Record title Daniel Mc. Chichester vs John Somers and Simon Somers & others Year recorded 1819? Collection CR-SC-H Record ID 58-15 End Notes Preserved by City of Fredericksburg Processed by Margaret Anne Crickman Extracted by Barry L. McGhee Extracted on 9/5/2002 ***************************************************** Believe his wife if Mary LNU but she was the widow of Joshua Ferguson d 1770. Per another post, she was with child at his death of Joshua Ferguson 1770: 2006 Not sure of her Marys identity - consider Sharpe? Kincheloe? Wickliff? From a message posted another researcher - referencing same information as collected: Will of John Summers Will written 28 Jan 1788. Deed dated Nov 1740 was transferred to his children in 1785, for 10 00 acres of land in Kentucky County, N & S of Mill Creek, bordering the Ohio River. John's 3r d wife, Marey, was widow of Joshua Ferguson (will proved 7 Apr 1770), and the Mother of John' s children;s spouses- Elizabeth Ferguson and James Sharp Ferguson. Mary's maiden name unprov en. Marey Summers was on the tax rolls until 1796. 2006- comments - Possibly 1000 acres of land in Kentucky transferred to children per will 1788 was received for service in Revolution?. Still working on this. Who is the Humphrey daughter Mary Summers married? What a tangled web. Hope someone finds this useful. Anne (researching surname Pritchartt and relationships)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers / Bell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I'm sorry I posted to the wrong message.

Clarke Co., Virginia was created in 1836 from Frederick Co Va. The original query was asking about WINCHESTERS "prior to 1768 when they were known to be in North Carolina." Pat Duncan GenNutLdn@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "pifox" <pifox@earthlink.net> To: <VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [VAFairfax] Town of Winchester/WINCHESTER the surname. > try Clarke County, Virginia also for surname Winchester

In a message dated 2/16/2006 7:40:10 PM, PeggyWitty@aol.com writes: >I am trying to locate where my Winchesters were prior to 1768 when they >were >known to be in North Carolina.  If anyone on this list has run across the >WINCHESTER name in Virginia please let me know. There is the town, Winchester, Virginia, near Interstate 81, and on Rt. 7. It is either in Frederick or Clark County. On the map, look west of Washington, DC to I-81 and then north. Perhaps the town was named after a Winchester family member. Also, search for the name in the IGI on the LDS FamilySearch.org site. It's helpful in finding locations where people lived. Valerie Valerie

http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/index.html Under the Most Requested box click the link for Military service records, which takes you to; http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/military/ Then scroll. I didn't look, but I have received Civil War records from this site...I believe...there is an on line form..or a link to request the order form which they mail to you. margy ----- Original Message ----- From: <ksaunders00@verizon.net> To: <VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:57 AM Subject: [VAFairfax] Help With Military Records > This is my first attempt to locate military records for my husband's > great-grandfather John F. Saunders of Fairfax County, VA. > > I do know from his orbit that he serviced in the Confederate Army. Also, I > found a pension record for his wife Saunders, Georgia A., Fairfax, Act of > 1928, Memo. 4-26-28, $100.00. The pension record was found online. > > Also, in the Fairfax County paper, dated May 8, 1889, list the Roll of Co. > G, Eighth Regiment Virginia Infantry, Organized at Dranesville, and > Mustered into the Confederate Service at Centerville, July 16, 1861. > There is a Sanders, J.F. listed is a private. However, I'm not certain if > this is the correct Saunders/Sanders. I do know that both spellings of > the name were used in his family, but the pension record has the spelling > of Saunders. > > How do I go about getting copies of his military records and the pension > records? Is it possible to have someone research this for me? > > Any help would be appreciated. > > Kathie Saunders > > > > > ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== > E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Once again, I am sorry that your Summers do not seem to match up with my John Somers. I believe I gave my Somers line in a previous e-mail posting. I do not know anything about the Summers belonging to Chapawamsic Baptist church. None of this information fits my l;ine of Somers. I know how you feel about trying to find a fit, but to me this is not it. Good luck, Grace

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers / Bell Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks for the reply. Could I ask for another favor of info? On the Chopawamsic Baptist Church records in Stafford County (was situated on connecting boarder of Prince William and Stafford County) in 1767 was (what looks like a couple) John Summers and an Elizabeth Summers. Other Summers listed there are Thezeah Summers, Samuel Summers. I believe this to be John Summers who was married to an Elizabeth Carter ( her last name not proven yet). Could you tell me how many John Summers there were in that area of Virginia at that time? Do you know the identity of the John Summers at Chopawamsic Baptist Church? I believe he might be the same John Summers who went on later to Clark County, Kentucky. I believe one of the John Summers of Clark County, Ky. to be the John Summers who lived past 114 years old. In the an 1818 Kentucky Gazette was an article on a Montgomery County, Kentucky John Summers at age 112. He was born July 12, 1706. Any help figuring out which John Su! mmers this is would be appreciated. He was probably from Prince William County, Va. The other John Summers in Clark and Montgomery County, Ky. was the John Summers born 1764 whom married Agnes Bell, he stated in his pension papes that he was born in Prince William County, Virginia. I believe he was the son of the John Summers who lived past 114 years old. The 1820 census for Delaware County, Indiana has a John Summers 114 years old, the census taker added a note about him in the margin. there are several statements found from grandchildren of this man, stating he lived to be between 116-119. He had moved on to Indiana with his children. I would appreciate any info to identify this "Old" John Summers.

This is my first attempt to locate military records for my husband's great-grandfather John F. Saunders of Fairfax County, VA. I do know from his orbit that he serviced in the Confederate Army. Also, I found a pension record for his wife Saunders, Georgia A., Fairfax, Act of 1928, Memo. 4-26-28, $100.00. The pension record was found online. Also, in the Fairfax County paper, dated May 8, 1889, list the Roll of Co. G, Eighth Regiment Virginia Infantry, Organized at Dranesville, and Mustered into the Confederate Service at Centerville, July 16, 1861. There is a Sanders, J.F. listed is a private. However, I'm not certain if this is the correct Saunders/Sanders. I do know that both spellings of the name were used in his family, but the pension record has the spelling of Saunders. How do I go about getting copies of his military records and the pension records? Is it possible to have someone research this for me? Any help would be appreciated. Kathie Saunders

I am trying to locate where my Winchesters were prior to 1768 when they were known to be in North Carolina.  If anyone on this list has run across the WINCHESTER name in Virginia please let me know.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Sorry, your Somers family does not fit my "Old John Somers". My "Old John" was born 1686 in Middlesex co. Va, the son of another John Somers. He lived most of his life in Fairfax county, Va. and belonged to the Anglican ( Episcopal) church. He died in his 104th year ( not 114). As far as I know all but one of his sons continued to live in the Fairfax Co., Va. area...and he was not married before 1717. Good luck with your Somers researcch. Sounds like an interesting family

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Summers, Williams, "Muse Carter Thorn Wilson" Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/109.113.115.1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Would "Old" John Summers, who lived to be at least 114 years old, who was born July 12, 1706 (as recorded in Kentucky Gazette, info posted on this board) and died probably in Morgan County, Indiana be one of the children of John Summers born 1686 you are mentioning in your post? This John Summers is shown on the Delaware County, Indiana 1820 census, and the census taker made a notation: "This man is 114 years old never lost sight or hearing has upward of four hundred descendants and has had two wives by each has ten children" I believe this "Old" John Summers born 1706 to be the father of John Summers born 1764 in Prince William County, Va. who married Agnes Bell. His grandchildren made statements that their grandfather lived to be 114-119 years old (depending on which account you read). How many John Summers were there that lived to be this old? Both of these John Summers men lived at one time in Montgomery County, Ky. and I believe one of them was the Elder of Lulbegrud Baptist Church which was formed in Clark County, Kentucky in 1793 (later Montgomery Co.) Also one of them I believe was the man my ancestor Edward Williams sold land to in Clark County in 1794. I am trying to connect the John Summers born 1706 to the Chopawamsic Baptist Church Stafford County, Va. in 1767. On the list of members is whom I believe to be my ancestor Edward Williams and wife Jemimah Williams and also shown is a John Summers and an Elizabeth Summers who joined the same day. I believe the John Summers listed there at Chopawamsic Baptist Church to be the husband of Elizabeth Carter Summers, daughter of a Sarah Muse Carter Thorn Wilson (she was either born a Muse or married a Muse first time). Other son-in-laws of Sarah's are there and also another daughter, plus extended family members of one son-in-law. Any help identifying the John Summers at Lulbegrud Baptist Church or Chopawamsic would be appreciated.

I am looking for information on John Cadwalader who was in Fairfax before he most likely came to Bedford Co Va around 1791. Also am looking for Thomas Cadwalader who bought land in Bedford Co Va in 1774. Any help is greatly appreciated. Bobbi

In general for research in records of this era, it's not so much misspelling as it the common practice at that time of phonetic spelling. For example, a daughter of the earliest known member of my Fairfax County Williams line married Demoville Talbott. I have seen his given name spelled Demoville, Demovil, Demoval, Demourville (a surname in his mother's family from which it is taken) and , my personal favorite, "D. Movil". Not to mention the variants of Talbott, Talbot, Talbert, etc. It seems that clerks, census-takers and other record-keepers wrote down what they heard, and many communities at the time were small enough that it would be pretty clear who they meant. Helen West wrote: >Hey, > I wonder if Jarrett is just misspelled? I have a bunch of Tramel/Trammel/Trammells in the book Abstract of Wills and Inventories Fairfax County, Virginia 1742-1801 by King. There is several Gerrard. When I am up against a rock and a hard place, it is usually the spelling. I will look through and see if I can find anything. > Helen > > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. > > >==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== >E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ > >============================== >Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

There is one resource that I thought of trying and it turns out to be amazing. In The Diaries of George Washington 1748-1770, Vol. 1, edited by John F. Fitzpatrick ,George mentions everyone one he had contact with. There are foot notes with great genealogical references, an example: George William Fairfax (1725 -1787) was the eldest son of Honorable William Fairfax and his second wife Sarah Walker. He was born at Providence, Bahama Island 2 Jan 1724/5*. . . Resource There are too many surnames to try and copy here. Your Liberian will be able to find a copy. There is no index, so I can not look up people. Helen *England, and Europe (except Russia) did not adopt the Gregorian calendar, until 1752. From the Diaries of George Washington 1748-1770. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Hey, I wonder if Jarrett is just misspelled? I have a bunch of Tramel/Trammel/Trammells in the book Abstract of Wills and Inventories Fairfax County, Virginia 1742-1801 by King. There is several Gerrard. When I am up against a rock and a hard place, it is usually the spelling. I will look through and see if I can find anything. Helen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.

Thanks for the hints. I will seek out the books you mentioned at our library. This is why I'm confused. My seond great grandfather, Nimrod William Trammell was b. in Fairfax County 1840-42 (depending on which census you believe). He stated on his marriage license in 1875 that his parents were Jarrett and Ann Trammell of Fairfax County, Va. I have a marriage license for Jarrett and Bytha Daily in Washington DC in April 1837. (Assuming this to be Tabitha). In 1850 census for Dranesville, we find Tabitha Trammell (a widow) living with her brother, Alexander Daily and two sisters, along with three children, George, Margaret and John. However, Nimrod is not living there. He, instead, is living with Jared Trammell, a schoolteacher, Ann and Mahlon Trammell. We again find him with Jared in 1860. In 1870, after a stint in the Union army and being wounded at Chancellorsville, he is back in Providence County, working on a farm, not his own. I have read several accounts in Family Trees where they state that Tabitha and Alexander were married, not true. I am really confused about the "widow" part. Jared is over 80 in 1860, leaving him a little old to have fathered Nimrod, but not out of the question. Is Ann is mother? I have a million questions and no answers yet. Thanks for letting me tell the story! Mary From: Helen West <hj29west@yahoo.com> Date: 2006/02/09 Thu AM 10:32:46 EST To: VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAFairfax] Re: Jared Trammell This is good advise. I have a John Trammel in the book This Was the Life; Excerpts from the Judgment Records of Frederick County, Maryland 1748-1765. by Millard Milburn Rice. In November 2754 John Trammel Jr. petitioned the court to operating a Ferry at or near Potowmack (Potomac) near a place called Conoy Island. In 1755 a John Trammel brought suit for money owed him. In 1759 a John Trammel was sued by Dr. Troutwine for services rendered. I know the feeling! In another book Montgomery County Marriage License 1798-1898 by Manuel. There are 6, Trammels mentioned. Please give me the names you are looking for. Helen Hi, I am interested in the Dailey family connected to Trammell. Do you know where they came from or parents? Some Trammell's can be found in Frederick and Montgomery Cos, Maryland. Look around Brunswick and Point of Rocks. There was a Trammellstown (?sp) near there too. Your Dailey's might be there too. Also consider different spellings for Dailey, such as, Daly. Valerie --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hello, I will look in all of my books. In the mean time maybe you can go forward with this name. William Smallwood married Rebecca Green 15 Jan 1806 in Montgomery County, Md. From the Montgomery County Marriage License 1798-1898, by Manuel. Remember that at one time early 1800's Washington DC was Montgomery County, Maryland or Alexandria, VA. Go to www.usgenweb.com to see read about the dates and research tips. Alexandria, D.C."-- 1791-1846 Georgetown, Maryland" -- 1751-1790 Also go to thier states archives and look in Md and VA: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/newsearch.htm Helen --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

In a message dated 2/8/2006 8:22:16 PM, jchevy51@att.net writes: >Hi, I am interested in the Dailey family connected to Trammell. Do you >know where they came from or parents? Some Trammell's can be found in Frederick and Montgomery Cos, Maryland. Look around Brunswick and Point of Rocks. There was a Trammellstown (?sp) near there too. Your Dailey's might be there too. Also consider different spellings for Dailey, such as, Daly. Valerie

This is good advise. I have a John Trammel in the book This Was the Life; Excerpts from the Judgment Records of Frederick County, Maryland 1748-1765. by Millard Milburn Rice. In November 2754 John Trammel Jr. petitioned the court to operating a Ferry at or near Potowmack (Potomac) near a place called Conoy Island. In 1755 a John Trammel brought suit for money owed him. In 1759 a John Trammel was sued by Dr. Troutwine for services rendered. I know the feeling! In another book Montgomery County Marriage License 1798-1898 by Manuel. There are 6, Trammels mentioned. Please give me the names you are looking for. Helen Hi, I am interested in the Dailey family connected to Trammell. Do you know where they came from or parents? Some Trammell's can be found in Frederick and Montgomery Cos, Maryland. Look around Brunswick and Point of Rocks. There was a Trammellstown (?sp) near there too. Your Dailey's might be there too. Also consider different spellings for Dailey, such as, Daly. Valerie --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail.

Re the Dailey family...I think they came from Maryland, at least that's what the census indicates, but Alexander, Matilda, Hanna and Tabitha were all born in Virginia. If the census is correct for Dranesville, VA, all were single, except for Tabitha, who was a widow in 1850, From: jchevy51@att.net Date: 2006/02/08 Wed PM 06:54:23 EST To: VAFAIRFA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAFairfax] Re: Jared Trammell This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Dailey,Hains,Utterback,Thompson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/SBC.2ACI/634.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, I am interested in the Dailey family connected to Trammell. Do you know where they came from or parents? Thanks, Juanita ==== VAFAIRFA Mailing List ==== E-mail List Mom at mailto:daisysroots@yahoo.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafairfa/ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx