Sure, Craig. You remember it right! And it is a lot of fun. I almost hate to put it on a public space where it is archived....my research on this Hawkins line in this time frame is not fully documented. So I'll tell the story and try to remember which facts are indeed documented and which are pretty much theory or guess. Because of my dad's DNA matches, I began looking at the Hawkins/Bourne families. Because of Moses Hawkins's death in the Revolution and his will and paper work, it is pretty much more than guess that he was a brother to James Hawkins who married Jane Bourne, William who married Elizabeth Bourne, and Benjamin who married Ann Bourne. It is also more than a guess that they were the sons of Benjamin and Sarah Willis Hawkins. They also had a sister named Lucy who married Francis Moore. The widow of Moses Hawkins was Susannah Stother and she married Thomas Coleman and moved her children by Moses with them to Kentucky. There are researchers who doubt the fact that Sarah (mother to these siblings) was for sure the daughter of William Willis and the "oft married" Sarah .....can't remember all of her names...However, it seems that William and Elizabeth Bourne Hawkins named one of their sons Willis....and so I go with the surname Willis..... Now my theory which is WAYYYYYY far from being proved is that this family is connected with John and Mary Long Hawkins. And before I go anywhere else with this, let me say that I have absolutely no proof that Mary's maiden name was Long.....I have asked other researchers where the Long comes from and have had no one give me any proof that she might have had maiden name Long. But I have been using that designation to identify this John Hawkins for so long that I have trouble abandoning it. (There is an Elizabeth Long who married Nicholas Hawkins--this couple would have lived from circa 1704-mid 1700's) But John and Mary Long(?) Hawkins is the couple that is connected to the Smith Family. And here is some of the documentation that I have used in making up my story: > Deed Book C of Spotsylvania county Oct 7, 1740. Mary Hawkins, widow of > John Hawkins, late deceased, and Joseph Hawkins, George Smith and > Elizabeth his wife, and Phebe Hawkins to Philemon Hawkins. 50 pounds > current money 132 a on Northanna River, in St Geo Par Spts. Co and all > personal estate of Sd. John Hawkins, Dec in the possession of sd > Philemon. Thos Chew, Jos. Morton, Charles Smith. Oct. 7 1740. > Land transaction: April 7, 1747. Taliver Cragg and Mary his wife, of > St. Geo Par. Spts Co. to Joseph Hawkins of sd Par. and county. 5 > pounds curr. 200 a. on both sides of Terry's Run in Co and Par afsd, > left by the last will of John Hawkins decd. to be divided between > Mary, his wife, and four of his children Elizabeth Smith, Philemon > Hawkins, Phebe Smith, and the sd. Mary Cragg. Witnesses, A. Foster, > Edmund Foster, Larkin Johnston. April 7, 1747. and the one that you were remembering: Phebe Hawkins, and infant, by Mary Hawkins her next friend, complains July 1735, of Stephen Noblit (otherwise called Stephen Smith). Charles Noblit alias Smith, brother of the defendant, being possessed of divers goods and chattels to the value of 200pounds intended to marry Phebe. On the last day of March, 1733-4 the defendant scandalously and maliciously did say “Phebe Hawkins is a whore and I have lay’n with her” . She has thus fallen into great infamy and Charles has refused to marry her. She asks damages of 250pounds current money. .....Dismissed. and then my data base says: > > Phebe later married Charles Smith when he was using the name Smith > instead of Noblit. (this makes more sense after I read land > transactions that indicated that Charles was born to Samuel Smith out > of wedlock) His will in Louisa, Co Va bk2, pg 33. “Left to John > Hawkins of Hanover Co, in trust for children: Elizabeth Brown, Lucy > Smith, Susannah Wild, William Smith, Ann Smith, Sarah Smith. Ex John > Lewis, Patrick Henry, John Hawkins, son William Smith. Dated 30 Aug > 1768. Witnesses Cosby Duke, John Cosby, Thomas Teel. Proved 12 Dec 1768. and > In February 2006 I read land transactions of Orange County at LDS FHL. > On film #33013 Orange County Deed Book #9 1743-1744: Hawkins to Smith. > Philemon Hawkins and Sarah his wife of the County of Spotslvania in St > George’s Parish selling to George Smith of the County of Orange of St > Thomas’s Parish all that parcel of land containing four hundred acres > being part of a patent granted to Joseph Hawkins and by the said > Joseph Hawkins granted to one ????? and by the said ????/sold to > Samuel Smith and by the said Samuel Smith given unto the said George > by his bond bearing date 23rd day of January 1732 and also given by > the sd Samuel to the said Geroge his son by his last will and > testament and together with other things which will divided the estate > of the said Samuel amongst his children and the said will being given > into the care of one Stephen J. K Smith from whom the said will was > stolen and destroyed which occasioned the said Philemon Hawkins and > Sarah his wife to have the right of the estate of the said Samuel > Smith he being deceased and the said Sarah Hawkins the only child that > survived him the said Samuel that was born in wedlock. The said land > being bounded as follows: Beginning at ...thence south...oak and > hickory standing on the North side of the North Fork of the > Northanna....lots more info...Then immediately following is another > indenture between Philemon Hawkins and Sarah his wife selling to > Charles Smith. I would be happy to dig more if I can be of more help. I do remember hearing from another researcher that Stephen J.K. Smith was baptized or christened or whatever: Justephenica...and Richmond and Essex Counties does ring a bell with me on these people....I could look to see what I have....Marsha Craig Kilby wrote: >Marsha--I have run across these people before in my Hawkins research. Could >you give me time frame on these Smiths (because those Hawkins were NOT my >line, I am not even sure what I did with the research. I do remember one of >the Smiths saying "I have slept with Phebe Hawkins and she is a whore" and >his being sued by her mother for saying it. > >BUT, the point is, I am working for a client on SMITH and his line goes back >to Richmond County, VA. His ancestor moved to Boutetourt County, but one of >his brothers was named Samuel but we have no idea what happened to him. He >was born in the early 1720s and I think this time frame MAY be about right. >So, a refresher course on the Smiths of Orange you are talking about would >be helpful. > >Craig > > > > > >