To all: I sent this to many lists and have had many responses. The basic question was, in citing an event (let's say a marriage), how do we cite it as to its location? Do we cite as to when it happened, and where it happened at that time? Or do we cite it as to where we would find that record today? For example, a marriage that took place in "Pattonville, St. Louis County, Missouri" in 1838 would now (today) be recorded in "St. Louis County Marriage Book B, p. xxx". And that record book would today be housed in the St. Louis CITY Circuit Clerk's office, in downtown St. Louis, which, after 1878, became a seperate political entity. After 1878, the records of anyplace in St. Louis COUNTY (newly created entity) would be housed in Clayton, Missouri (newly created county seat of newly created St. Louis County). So now we have this 1856 marriage that actually occured in the place called Pattonville, now called Bridgeton. The marriage record is at St. Louis CITY. Did the marriage occur there? No. I occured in Pattonville. But it is recorded in the CITY records. And where is Pattonville now? Nowhere? It was a post office cross-roads, now gobbled up in what is now the city of Bridgeton. Does the city of Bridgeton have record of this marriage? Nope. It happened before it came to existance and those records are at, guess where? City of St. Louis! So, naturally, one would cite the actual source or where the record is housed, and note the changes of locations. The issue here was that the local SAR wants the source cited to its current locale, to avoid just this sort of confusion. REMEMBER, this thread started out as to whether to cite the publisher of a book as "Virginia State Library and Archives" or as "Library of Virginia" (its modern name). At least one person attempted an answer to that. I guess I shall call them directly and see what reponse I can elicit. It usually seems to be the case that when nobody answers a query, that nobody knows the answer. Craig Kilby [email protected] > [Original Message] > From: Forrest Fulton <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 7/20/2006 7:38:55 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Re: VACULPEP-D Digest V06 #121 > > >From my first genealogy class I was told to use the county where the event > took place. In notes it can be explained that the county changed in the > year xxxx. How would the deed books be divided to follow the new county? > Irene Fulton > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Some of my ancestors came from what is now WV, but for all dates before 1863 I list them as Harrison Co, WV, and later as Harrison Co, VA - keeping with the place as it was named at the time in history. Floyd Co, VA came from Montgomery Co, VA in 1831, so the pre-1831 records are listed in Montgomery Co, VA. If I'm writing about it, I often say, in the part of Montgomery Co, VA that later became Floyd Co, VA. In your case, I would always use the original place at the time the record was established. It is almost always possible to determine who has those records now. But if you use the current location, you, and your readers, will lose the original name and specific location. Jim Bartlett -----Original Message----- From: Craig Kilby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 8:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [VACULPEP] Citing Locations To all: I sent this to many lists and have had many responses. The basic question was, in citing an event (let's say a marriage), how do we cite it as to its location? Do we cite as to when it happened, and where it happened at that time? Or do we cite it as to where we would find that record today? For example, a marriage that took place in "Pattonville, St. Louis County, Missouri" in 1838 would now (today) be recorded in "St. Louis County Marriage Book B, p. xxx". And that record book would today be housed in the St. Louis CITY Circuit Clerk's office, in downtown St. Louis, which, after 1878, became a seperate political entity. After 1878, the records of anyplace in St. Louis COUNTY (newly created entity) would be housed in Clayton, Missouri (newly created county seat of newly created St. Louis County). So now we have this 1856 marriage that actually occured in the place called Pattonville, now called Bridgeton. The marriage record is at St. Louis CITY. Did the marriage occur there? No. I occured in Pattonville. But it is recorded in the CITY records. And where is Pattonville now? Nowhere? It was a post office cross-roads, now gobbled up in what is now the city of Bridgeton. Does the city of Bridgeton have record of this marriage? Nope. It happened before it came to existance and those records are at, guess where? City of St. Louis! So, naturally, one would cite the actual source or where the record is housed, and note the changes of locations. The issue here was that the local SAR wants the source cited to its current locale, to avoid just this sort of confusion. REMEMBER, this thread started out as to whether to cite the publisher of a book as "Virginia State Library and Archives" or as "Library of Virginia" (its modern name). At least one person attempted an answer to that. I guess I shall call them directly and see what reponse I can elicit. It usually seems to be the case that when nobody answers a query, that nobody knows the answer. Craig Kilby [email protected] > [Original Message] > From: Forrest Fulton <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 7/20/2006 7:38:55 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Re: VACULPEP-D Digest V06 #121 > > >From my first genealogy class I was told to use the county where the event > took place. In notes it can be explained that the county changed in the > year xxxx. How would the deed books be divided to follow the new county? > Irene Fulton > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett [email protected] > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to [email protected] if you are on the Digest list to [email protected] ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx