Hi Roy,   Thank you you for your kind remarks.  I certainly am in favor of DNA testing when one runs out of legal records, etc. Unfortunately I can't copy and paste from Family Tree Maker. I wish I could because I would send it to this list. I take my genealogy very seriously. I want to leave it for my family members. If it can't be proven it is called a theory. Unfortunately we all have brick walls we have trouble knocking down.   Best Wishes, Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> wrote: From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:31 AM AMEN!    I began research in 1980 and thanks to the e-revolution in genealogy I now find that, not only do I have 37 third-generation grandparents (according to Rootsweb posters my paternal ggrandfather had 5 different mothers), I find that I also am my own grandfather and that my ggrandfather was born 5 years AFTER my grandfather!  How quaint.  Very valid points Marianne.   Craig, IMO, also makes the same point with his statement "show me."  As I remind my wife when she sometimes get carried away with new "information" ( insert my disdain for the "quick honey - copy everything they have on Rootsweb and paste it on our page" set) - "genealogy without proof is nothing more than a list of names."    Roy     ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Sent: January 06, 2009 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative . I have been doing genealogy the hard way since 1982. That doesn't mean copying from the internet as many do. It means starting with cemetaries, records from courthouses, out of state trips to state archives and libraries, church records, etc. I wish more on Rootsweb would do the same and quit posting everything someone else as on the internet. Records and DNA proves lineages. And that is called real genealogy and really is the fun of it. :) Marianne Dillow