Hi Craig,    Well the wills proves it all. They are on my Family Tree Maker. But this list doesn't accept attachments. And I am not typing all those generations of wills to this list. You can believe it or forget it. It really doesn't matter to me because I know the records I have.   Also, one other thing, on another line on mine in Culpeper.. James Graves.  He died and his will is dated 1781 in Culpeper. His father was John Graves and for years everyone was saying that he descended from Capt. Thomas Graves who is one of the first of the settlers of the colonies of Va. They were wrong. They went by "associations."    Well, that didn't prove it and instead just confused everything. As DNA testing was done it was proven my James Graves in Culpeper actually descended from a John Graves that just happened to be in the same counties and time period of the sons of Capt. Thomas Graves. DNA proved my John Graves was just someone by the same name and wasn't kin to Capt. Thomas Graves after all. Instead he came from England and the surname was Grieves before it became Graves. So, "asssociations" doesn't always prove lineages. It takes "records" and DNA testing if it is needed.    This James Graves of mine married Sarah unknown. I descend from their daughter Mary Graves who married Richard  Parks whose will is dated in Culpeper 17 Sep 1787. He is the son of John Parks and Margaret True.   I descend from their daughter Ann Parks who married John Frances Pulliam who went to Warren and died in Allen Co., Ky. John's parents are Thomas Pulliam and Frances Boswell of Culpeper. These lines go back to Spotsylvania to Thomas Pulliam  and Winnifred Holladay dau of John Marshall Holladay.  The Boswell line goes to John Boswell and Ann Ranson (Ransom).  These are some of the other grandparents who I have in Culpeper and Spotsylvania of my Mother's family lines.   I have been doing genealogy the hard way since 1982. That doesn't mean copying from the internet as many do. It means starting with cemetaries,  records from courthouses, out of state trips to state archives and libraries, church records, etc.  I wish more on Rootsweb would do the same and quit posting everything someone else as on the internet. Records and DNA proves lineages. And that is called  real genealogy and really is the fun of it. :)   Marianne Dillow    On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:38 AM I'm from Missouri, so you will have to show me your documentation and how you have proved all of this. Your move. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:15 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > Hi Craig, > > It is proven all the way from me through my Mother's lines by > wills and other records. That is all that is required... records,.. > wills, etc. I have a will on each generation etc. That is called > genealogy and research. Have a good day :) > > Marianne Dillow > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > Subject: It's all relative > To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:11 AM > > > I think this was the whole point. I could go to Walmart and run > into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it. All this > talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is > just so much talk. As my favorite researcher likes to say: > > > PROVE IT > > > Craig Kilby > > > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > > > I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th > cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia. > >

Marianne: Because something is in your Family Tree Maker program and database doesn't prove anything. You have plastered this list with all sorts of fantastic claims. I have no doubt that you believe it all to be true. Show me why we should believe any of it. Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts CMK On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:15 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > Well the wills proves it all. They are on my Family Tree Maker.

Craig,    The records I have on my Family Tree Maker are copies  of original records and legal ones. Get over it.  It took me a long time to even get them on there. And this list dioes not accept attachments or I would send it to the entire list. Again, I said "legal" records from the counties and states involved not something out of a  book. I refuse to be intinimidated by you.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persis   to@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 7:32 AM Marianne: Because something is in your Family Tree Maker program and database doesn't prove anything. You have plastered this list with all sorts of fantastic claims. I have no doubt that you believe it all to be true. Show me why we should believe any of it. Just the facts Ma'am, just the facts CMK On Jan 6, 2009, at 2:15 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > Well the wills proves it all. They are on my Family Tree Maker.