To the List :   I only posted this because there were 5 Eltonhead sisters that came to Va and because of their marriages they have descendants all over Va and MD. Their parents Richard Eltonhead and Ann Sutton  are from England and descend from Henry II of England. I descend from them plus ..... I have other lines of my Mother's of ....Graves, Parks, Pulliam in Culpeper.... and also in Orange and Spotsylvania of .....Holladay and Boswell.... to name just a few, I usually don't post on them because my lines are proven. My Mother's family are all over Spotsylvania, Orange and Culpeper plus many others.    I  was posting on genealogy only, not politics, but in saying that politicians are human beings too and they have genealogical lines also. There are approximately  20 Presidents who have descendants in Virginia including George Washington to name just one and most of then desecend from the Plantagenets in England.   I have received good and not so good emails on this and some were glad for the information. As far as sources it is Gary Boyd Roberts who is well known to do research on "all" Presidents and Vice-Presidents and has written several books on the English coming to America and how the colonies  were formed and the families who were immigrants which settled them  included Virginia and all of the counties involved that Culpeper  was formed from such as Spotstylvania County.  Of course this takes in history as well as genealogy but the two go together.   Many of us want to see if we can prove our lines across the pond just because we want to know who our grandparents are. That means we could be kin to a lot of people .. desirable .. or not.. depending  on one's viewpoint.   I have more farmers in my family than any of Royalty and am very proud of them. :)   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> wrote: From: Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:13 AM I guess if John McCain won, you'd consider his genealogy a "stupid story" too? Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Fern wrote: > This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list > or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so > let's not make up stupid stories.... > fern >   

Gentle Readers of the Board, In the spirit of the Holiday and in the memory of the fine ancestors who instilled the use of good manners in our young hearts, might I suggest the use of the delete feature rather than the display of ill temper? Merry Christmas, Mary Beth Fondly researching Gen. Edward Stevens who left his sister's children land in KY, Ohio, and W. VA.

Pat,    I have more farmers than I do any royalty, etc and am more proud of them than some of the others. I did  provide a source on my posting namely Gary Boyd Roberts who does genealogy on all of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents. That is where the information came from. Plus there are descendants in Culpeper who descend from the Eltonhead sisters  (5 of them all throughout Va) and their marriages   Again, my posting was meant for genealogy only. I am not posting on politics. I do have Graves, Parks, Pulliam etc family lines of my Mother's in Culpeper and leading back to Spotsylvania more of other lines of Holladay and Boswell to name a few. :)   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> wrote: From: Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 12:45 PM I agree completely and noted in my e-mail there were no sources. I have no famous people in my background that I have found and am very proud of my ancestors. I am not one to bend the lines, as I am a paralegal and do factual research all the time, emphases on factual. My point wasn't whether the lineage presented was true or not, but had to do with the obvious political views being expressed about Obama. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:38 PM To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your ancestors to anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And there are notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New Jersey back in the late 1600's. I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in history. But I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in the Lord and Master's fields.

I know what you mean Marge,.. Genealogy leads us in many different directions. In Culpeper I have my Mother's family lines of Graves, Parks, Pulliam, etc and before that Holladay and others in Spotsylvania. And many farmers among them. I have more farmers than royalty.  :)   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> wrote: From: Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 12:38 PM I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your ancestors to anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And there are notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New Jersey back in the late 1600's. I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in history. But I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in the Lord and Master's fields.

I'm sorry if you are offended but I have received many emails that descend from  these lineages that do appreciate the information. I am not talking about politics only genealogy. There are sources on this as William Addams Reitwiesner and Gary Boyd Roberts does genealogy on all of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They are people too with family and lineages just as well as everyone else does. That is because we all are human beings and genealogy belongs to all of us. .  I posted this as genealogy not politics. I repeat, this has nothing to do with politics but genealogy only. And there are many desecendants throughout Virginia and Maryland that descends from the Eltonhead, Sutton, Thacker  lines that I mentioned including myself. If we share a grandparent with someone in politics it is called genealogy not politics.   I talk about genealogy period as I have been involved since 1982 on both my Mother and Father's lines and this one is my Mother''s in VA. I also have other lines in Culpeper of Graves, Parks, Pulliam and before that these lines were is Orange and Spotsylvania of Pulliam and Holladay, etc.   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> wrote: From: Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com, mdillow31@verizon.net Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:19 AM Excuse me, but please keep your political views to yourself. While there are no sources for this, it is entirely possible it is true, and if you are an Eltonhead descendent you might be interested. I've seen other Obama genealogies, and in fact, it has been reported on the news (don't know who did the research) that Obama and Cheney are distantly related. Genealogy is what it is, regardless of whether or not we like it. I do not intend to get into an e-mail dispute over this, but do feel that your comments are not warranted. Have a great holiday season! Patricia Haynes -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fern Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:31 AM To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so let's not make up stupid stories.... fern ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne. This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." Written by Gary Boyd Roberts Marianne Dillow

Please disregard my last message I sent it before I read all of Fern's message. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:38 PM, "Marge" <msealock@mchsi.com> wrote: > I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your > ancestors to > anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. > > For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the > residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And > there are > notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New > Jersey back > in the late 1600's. > > I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in > history. But > I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in > the Lord > and Master's fields. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Greetings, The New England Historic Genealogical Society did the genealogy of Obama and Clinton during the election. You should be able to find info on their site newenglandancestors.org. I hope this helps. Kenyatta Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2008, at 1:38 PM, "Marge" <msealock@mchsi.com> wrote: > I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your > ancestors to > anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. > > For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the > residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And > there are > notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New > Jersey back > in the late 1600's. > > I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in > history. But > I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in > the Lord > and Master's fields. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Kathy,    I have received several emails that appreciate the information. I am glad I could share it with you and others who are interested in it. :)  Best wishes, Marianne Diillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:41 AM Wow that is quite interesting. He has quite a background. I guess that means he is my 42nd (just guessing) cousin. Thanks for the information. Kathy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> To: <VACULPEP@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead > Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth > Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel > of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of > the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very > few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal > descent of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England > (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, > Gerard, and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the > FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress > President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., > novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the > wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin > McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. > Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish > to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker > John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > >

I agree completely and noted in my e-mail there were no sources. I have no famous people in my background that I have found and am very proud of my ancestors. I am not one to bend the lines, as I am a paralegal and do factual research all the time, emphases on factual. My point wasn't whether the lineage presented was true or not, but had to do with the obvious political views being expressed about Obama. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:38 PM To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your ancestors to anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And there are notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New Jersey back in the late 1600's. I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in history. But I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in the Lord and Master's fields. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your ancestors to anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And there are notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New Jersey back in the late 1600's. I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in history. But I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in the Lord and Master's fields.

I guess if John McCain won, you'd consider his genealogy a "stupid story" too? Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Fern wrote: > This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list > or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so > let's not make up stupid stories.... > fern > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marianne dillow > To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton > through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter > Eltonhead Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that > married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married > Elizabeth Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William > the Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, > Isabel of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male > line of the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of > the very few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best > royal descent of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King > of England (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, > Bold, Gerard, and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a > large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the > FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis > Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental > Congress President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, > Jr., novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., > and the wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, > Edwin McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood > Byrd. Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing > possibilities we wish to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, > filmmaker John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus > Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: > 12/22/2008 11:23 AM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Excuse me, but please keep your political views to yourself. While there are no sources for this, it is entirely possible it is true, and if you are an Eltonhead descendent you might be interested. I've seen other Obama genealogies, and in fact, it has been reported on the news (don't know who did the research) that Obama and Cheney are distantly related. Genealogy is what it is, regardless of whether or not we like it. I do not intend to get into an e-mail dispute over this, but do feel that your comments are not warranted. Have a great holiday season! Patricia Haynes -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fern Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:31 AM To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so let's not make up stupid stories.... fern ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne. This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." Written by Gary Boyd Roberts Marianne Dillow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wow that is quite interesting. He has quite a background. I guess that means he is my 42nd (just guessing) cousin. Thanks for the information. Kathy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> To: <VACULPEP@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead > Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth > Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel > of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of > the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very > few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal > descent of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England > (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, > Gerard, and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the > FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress > President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., > novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the > wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin > McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. > Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish > to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker > John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so let's not make up stupid stories.... fern ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne. This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." Written by Gary Boyd Roberts Marianne Dillow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: 12/22/2008 11:23 AM

Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne.   This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles :   "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England."   "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. "   "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright."    Written by Gary Boyd Roberts   Marianne Dillow

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: johnnygstarke Surnames: Cummins / Starke Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4541.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Based upon the 1975 Eugene M Scheel Historic Map of Culpeper county, there were at least 2 Muddy Run located there. First was a major waterway running across central Culpeper county starting in west-vicinity of New Salem Church on Sperryville Turnpike (Rt 522) and running east to the Hazel River south of Ryland. The second was a very short Muddy run which runs into the Rappahannock River (near Kelly's Ford - southeast part of county). White oaks probably refers to just that--a border marked by large white oak tree(s), which probably do not exist anymore. There is a White Oak Church & White Oak Run in the southwest part of the county - not near either of these Muddy Run... If you have not located your old family farm yet, your best bet would be to find your Cummins family on other deeds with other landmarks OR on the census records of that time and those other families mentioned next (above/below) to Cummins - would be his neighbors, which might help you to pinpoint the l! ocation from their deeds. The long Muddy Run crosses alot of roads, and there had to be more than one Muddy Run bridge-no matter how primitive. Even the short Muddy Run crosses 3 roads. Mr. Scheel does not mention a Muddy Run Bridge, nor any mention of the Cummins family on his Historic Map, but you might narrow or pinpoint the location from neighboring families or landmarks located on this map. Let me know if you can do so in the future... I am John Starke, whose many ancestral & related families lived along the Hazel River area north and west of Ryland. Contact: johnnygstarke@aol.com or johnstarke@comcast.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: rwzink Surnames: zink,payne,davis,griffin,baker collins, Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/2467.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am descended from Richard Payne through Richard jr b.1800 I would like to know if Paynes still live in Bleakhill Culpeper Va. If so did Richards home Blackhill survive? If so could someone please send a picture of it. Any one interestrd in this branch i will gladly share. have relatives in 5 states. please reply to rwzink@gmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Still trying to connect James W. Spicer to his parents and siblings. Would appreciate any help. JAMES W. SPICER,? was born August 1817 in Rappahannock Co., Virginia, and died July 25, 1905 in Culpeper or Stafford Co., Virginia.? He married MARY (POLLY) Cheek May 22, 1839 in Rappahannock Co., Virginia.? She was born Abt. 1817 in Virginia, and died Bet. 1881 - 1890 in Stevensburg, Culpeper? County, Virginia. ? Notes for JAMES W. SPICER, SR.: James and his wife Mary were found on the 1840, and 1850 Rappahannock County, Virginia census.? Rappahannock Co. was formed in 1833 from Culpeper Co >From 1860 census on they were found in Stevensburg, Culpeper County, Virginia. James lived his widowhood his last year or years with his grandson James W. Spicer who went by the name Ward or Walter and his wife was Nora Dickinson.? I have no idea where James or his wife are buried. ? On the 1840 Rappahannock Co. Census was listed? Spicer's: James Spicer household #17 Nicholas household #23 Randall household #29 Samuel? household #12 Thomas household #16. ?I am thinking that Samuel and Thomas were James' brothers, because James had two sons named Samuel and Thomas. ? Notes for: MARY (POLLY) Cheek [2nd great grandmother] Mary's age was shown being different on the census. 1860 census age was 45 years making her birth year 1815. The 1870 census shows her age being 53 making her birth year 1817.? She was the daughter of James Cheek and Nancy Horton. James Cheek was son ofn Francis Cheek and ?Mary Ann Cordry. Nancy Horton was daughter of Robert Horton and Jaley Underwood [married 11/1778] If anyone has any info on James W. Spicer and Mary Cheeck I would appreciate it. June cpzb4@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Jason_R_Stanley Surnames: HARRIS, BLACK, STANLEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4559/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'M LOOKING FOR RELATIVES IN CULPEPER. MY GRANDMOTHERS NAME WAS ELISABETH (BETTY) HARRIS AND WAS MARRIED TO ROBERT C. BLACK JR. ANYONE WITH INFO, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: artzleigh Surnames: Loyd / Lloyd / Austin / Back Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/344.391.635.1220.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am researching my husband's tree, his mother's side. There are 2 Loyd's in this tree, one on her grandpa's side, the Sarah "Sally" Loyd in the above post, b: 1765 dau. of Thomas, married to Jacob Back. The other is a Mary Loyd b:Aug 1787 married to Jonas Austin b:1782 in Albermarle Co., VA. I do not have parents for her. I noticed that a Patience McCracken was listed in another post as a spouse for Thomas is this Sarah's mother? Thanks Tamara Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.