Thanks Craig,    That date is close so it could be that instead of the one I posted.  I have seen the 1704  mariage date also. I have seen Ann Hack too but I haven't researched this Edwin Conway, Jr very much. I have a few notes on him as I usually just stick with my direct grandndparents. But I got  curious  on these lines and was startled where I saw it led to. Maybe I should do more of it.  LOL !  There were so many emails coming in at one time I could hardly keep up with all of them. So, I could have made some typos.   Best Wishes,   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Will of Edwin Conway written 19 March 1698 To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:35 PM Marianne: Just one slight correction and some additions to this.  Peggy Hill, who is an impeccable researcher and author "Descendants of William Ball, An Outline" gives this Edwin Conway's birth as 1684.  He married Anne Ball in 1704.  She died in 1720 and he married (2) Ann Hack. By Ann Ball he had 8 children.  Six daughters and two sons. Craig On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:44 PM, marianne dillow wrote: (3) Col. Edwin Conway (III) born ca 1681 in Lancaster Co., Va died 3 Oct 1763 in Lancaster Co., Va. He married Anne Ball daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney. Hw would be 82 at death.

I have a feeling the three of us I know of on the Vaculpep list who have these lines were almost as surprised as Obama was when he first heard Dick Cheney was supposed to be his cousin. Whoever had done Cheney's research maybe just had bells go off in their heads when they saw the Duvall surname. Not the same century ...(nor universe for that matter). The Conway/Eltonhead ancestry-line goes thusly: Richard Eltonhead & Ann Sutton Martha Eltonhead & Edwin Conway 1610-1675 Eltonhead Conway 1646- & Henry Thacker Martha Thacker & Thomas Hickman Edwin Hickman & Eleanor Elliott James Hickman* & Hannah Lewis Susannah Hickman 1745-bef 1833 & James Browning abt 1744-1812 Anne Browning est 1780-aft 1820 & Robert Overall abt 1775-abt 1835 G.W. Overall 1820-1871 & Louisiana Duvall 1826-1855 Susan C. Overall 1849-bef 1920 & Christopher Columbus Clark 1846-1937 Gabriella Clark 1877- 1966 & Harry Ellington Armour 1874-aft 1930 Ruth Lucille Armour 1901-1926 & Ralph W. E. Dunham 1894-1970 Stanley Armour Dunham 1918-1992 & Madelyn Lee Payne 1922-1008 Stanley Ann Dunham 1942-1995 & Barack Hussein Obama Sr. 1936-1982 Barack b. 4 Aug 1961 A wee bit o' source to work back from: 1920 FEDERAL CENSUS, Wichita, Sedgwick County, Kansas. . ED#150; 5th Ward; Sheet 10 B Ancestry. com Image 20 0f 25 Enumerated 10 January 1920 by Mrs. Laura A. Harris, enumerator Dwelling #101-281 @ 229 Walnut ARMOUR, Harry head M46 b. Illinois/Illinois/Missouri~oiler, Oil Fields ----, Gabriella [CLARK] wife F43 b. Missouri/Missouri/Kentucky ----, Doris daughter F18 single b. Illinois/Illinois/Missouri DUNHAM, Ralph son-in-law M26 married b. Kansas/Kansas/Kansas~automobile mechanic ----, Ruth [ARMOUR] daughter F19 married b. Illinois/Illinois/Missouri ----, Ralph, jun'r grandson M3 b. Kansas/Kansas/Illinois ----, Stanley grandson M1 b. Kansas/Kansas/Illinois CLARK, Christopher C. Father M74 widowed b. Missouri/Missouri/Missouri ~shoemaker, Own shop. Daughters of the American Revolution Volume 34 page 62 Mrs. Mary D. Hickman Price. DAR ID Number: 33174 Born in Columbia, Missouri. Wife of John Ewing Price. Descendant of Thomas McClanahan, Thomas Bryant, James Hickman* and Jacob Spears. Daughter of Hon. David H. Hickman and Annie Bryan, his wife. Granddaughter of David McClanahan Hickman (b. 1788) and Eliza Keller Johnston, his wife; Milton E. Bryan and Zerelda Moss, his wife. Gr.-granddaughter of David Hickman (1749-1825) and Clara McClanahan, his wife, m. 1771; William Johnston and Rachel Spears, his wife; Morgan H. Bryan and Sallie Hunt, his wife. Gr.-gr.-granddaughter of *James Hickman and Hannah Lewis, his wife, m. 1744; Thomas McClanahan and Anne, his wife; Jacob Spears and Elizabeth Keller, his wife; Thomas Bryant and Martha Hunt, his wife. *James Hickman, (1724-1824), enlisted 1776 from Culpeper Co., Va., and served to the surrender of Cornwallis. He located land in Clark Co., Ky., where he died. Aso Nos. 14875, 20352. Jacob Spears (1754-1825), served in Capt. John Hoagland's company in the Sandusky expedition, 1782. He was born in Rockingham county, Va.; died in Kentucky. Also Nos. 19183, 23843, 29861. Thomas McClanahan, (1737-1824), served with the Light Horse under Harry Lee. He was born in Orange county, Va.; died in Bourbon county, Ky. Thomas Bryant, (1736-89), served three years in the Virginia State line and received a grant of land in Kentucky.". .

Not directly it doesn't. Mary Ball, the mother of George Washington, was the half sister of Ann Ball Conway. They had different mothers. But Anne Ball Conway and her husband are not ancestors of George Washington. George be Ann Ball Conway's half-nephew. On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:56 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > (3) Col.Edwin Conway (III) that married Anne Ball , daughter of > Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.. this line leads to the parents > of George Washington.

marianne dillow wrote: > There are three Edwin Conway's.: (1) Edwin Conway, SR. married Martha Eltonhead (my 9th great grandparents) Their son: (2) Edwin Conway, JR. married Sarah Fleete (some call her Sarah Walker) and 2nd to Elizabeth Thornton.. and some say Thompson.. LOL ! This is the 1698 will you have below. Their son: (3) Col.Edwin Conway (III) that married Anne Ball , daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.. this line leads to the parents of George Washington.< OK, I have this: 1) Edwin Conway, Seniorest... 1610-1675 m. Martha Eltonhead before 1640 2) Edwin Conway b. est 1638 - Aug 1698 m1. 1680 Sarah Fleete m2 1695(I have) Elizabeth Thompson 3) Edwin Conway 1681-1763 m1 1704 Anne Ball m2 Ann Hack In this 1698 Will 3EdwinConway would be single & only abt 17, yes? So it wouldn't be him his father is referring to in the very last Item of the Will, would it? Is there a 2&1/2:)Edwin Conway who would be of age to assume this responsibility or is that the transcriber's/printer's error & he/she meant to say Mr. Edwin THACKER twice. (2Edwin's mentioned Henry & Edwin THACKER earlier in the Item abt selling the tobacco in England for his unborn child.) Last Item: Item, I nominate and appoint my trusty friends and kinsmen Mr. Andrew Jackson, Mr. Samuel Fox, Mr. Henry Thacker and Mr. EDWIN CONWAY, to bee overseers of this my last will and testament, Desiring my sd overseers, to carefully advise and instruct my children by my first wife, in their persons and estates. And to bee assistant to their power, to my dear wife Elizabeth. And if it should please God, to take away my dear wife during her childrens minority, then I commit their care and tuition of them, and their estates, to my saide kinsmen Mr. Henry Thacker, and Mr. EDWIN THACKER, for witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of March, in ye year of Our Lord God One Thousand Six Hundred, Ninety and Eight. Edwin [Ye Seal] Conway"

Hi Cynthia,   I can  give you dates that I have:   (1) Edwin Conway, Sr  born 1610 Worcester, England died before 26 Sep 1678 Lancaster Co., Va. Married Martha Eltonhead. He would be 68 at death.   (2) Edwin Conway, Jr born 11 May 1644 Old Rappahannock Co., Va. Died Bef 7 Sep 1798 in Richmond Co., Va.... That is the will you have. I have seen a Sarah Walker marriage; a Thompson marriage and a Elizabeth Thornton marriage. I have not researched this one myself.  . I usually stick to my direct grandparents and most of the time don't go into siblings. So, this one I wouldn't know which wife is the one or he could have married more than one time. And I don't trust Rootsweb postings. There is too much misinformation by people who never do genealogy any other way.  He would be 54 at death.   (3) Col. Edwin Conway (III) born ca 1681 in Lancaster Co., Va died 3 Oct 1763 in Lancaster Co., Va. He married Anne Ball daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney. Hw would be 82 at death.   (1) Henry Thacker, Sr  born 1632 England died ca 1686 Middlesex Co., Va Married Eltonhead Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway, Sr. and Martha Eltonhead.   (2) Henry Thacker, Jr  born 9 Aug 1663 Middlesex Co., Va and died 2 Jan 1708 Middlesex Co., Va. Married Elizabeth Payne dau of John Payne, Jr and wife Anne Walker... she is the daughter of Col. John Walker and 1st wife unknown. Col. John Walker married the 2nd time to Sarah Fleete that was a widow of  Col. Henry Fleete.  This is where people get mixed up between these two Sarah's I think  (Sarah  Fleete Walker,  2nd wife and he had a daughter, Sarah Walker), . Also, this would be the Henry Thacker in the 1698 will of Edwin Conway, Jr. because of the dates.   I have seen this will on the internet too but I don't have the original from the courthouse in Richmond County. Also, Henry Thacker, Sr, had a son, Edwin Thacker, born ca 1655.  I never tracked him down. He is a brother to my Henry Thacker, Jr.   I hope this helps some.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Cynthia Claytonroberts <CynthiaCR@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Cynthia Claytonroberts <CynthiaCR@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Will of Edwin Conway written 19 March 1698 To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:47 PM marianne dillow wrote: > There are three Edwin Conway's.: (1) Edwin Conway, SR. married Martha Eltonhead (my 9th great grandparents) Their son: (2) Edwin Conway, JR. married Sarah Fleete (some call her Sarah Walker) and 2nd to Elizabeth Thornton.. and some say Thompson.. LOL ! This is the 1698 will you have below. Their son: (3) Col.Edwin Conway (III) that married Anne Ball , daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.. this line leads to the parents of George Washington.< OK, I have this: 1) Edwin Conway, Seniorest... 1610-1675 m. Martha Eltonhead before 1640 2) Edwin Conway b. est 1638 - Aug 1698 m1. 1680 Sarah Fleete m2 1695(I have) Elizabeth Thompson 3) Edwin Conway 1681-1763 m1 1704 Anne Ball m2 Ann Hack In this 1698 Will 3EdwinConway would be single & only abt 17, yes? So it wouldn't be him his father is referring to in the very last Item of the Will, would it? Is there a 2&1/2:)Edwin Conway who would be of age to assume this responsibility or is that the transcriber's/printer's error & he/she meant to say Mr. Edwin THACKER twice. (2Edwin's mentioned Henry & Edwin THACKER earlier in the Item abt selling the tobacco in England for his unborn child.) Last Item: Item, I nominate and appoint my trusty friends and kinsmen Mr. Andrew Jackson, Mr. Samuel Fox, Mr. Henry Thacker and Mr. EDWIN CONWAY, to bee overseers of this my last will and testament, Desiring my sd overseers, to carefully advise and instruct my children by my first wife, in their persons and estates. And to bee assistant to their power, to my dear wife Elizabeth. And if it should please God, to take away my dear wife during her childrens minority, then I commit their care and tuition of them, and their estates, to my saide kinsmen Mr. Henry Thacker, and Mr. EDWIN THACKER, for witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of March, in ye year of Our Lord God One Thousand Six Hundred, Ninety and Eight. Edwin [Ye Seal] Conway"

This is something I have never heard of. Remember every family tree has a few nuts on it. Ha ha. Jean

I am pasting from a posting I have made to another list  on the previous question. I couldn't find it at the time. Here it is:    Col. Edwin Conway III who married Anne Ball daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.  The Conway line plus Alice Eltonhead, that married Henry Corbin, sister to my Martha Eltonhead, leads to this:   James Madison was the Fourth President of the United States. His term was from March 1809 to 1817. He is also the cousin of the 12th president, Zachary Taylor. He connects two ways to President George Washington: Edwin Conway (James' first cousin twice removed) married Ann Ball (half sister) of Mary Ball Washington, Mother of President George Washington. Also: Colonel Francis Thornton III (James' first cousin twice removed) married Francis Gregory, first cousin of President George Washington. Her mother Mildred Washington, is the sister of Augustine Washington. (Georges' Father.)    Marianne Dillow

I was short cutting on that response. Yes,I do know what you have posted below but I don't have time to explain it line by line to this list  with my one typing finger... and I am on other mailing lists with emails coming in.   LOL ! There are still connections in other marriages of Conway plus Eltonhead on down.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Will of Edwin Conway written 19 March 1698 To: mdillow31@verizon.net, "Culpeper Culpeper List" <vaculpep-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:13 PM Not directly it doesn't.  Mary Ball, the mother of George Washington, was the half sister of Ann Ball Conway.  They had different mothers.  But Anne Ball Conway and her husband are not ancestors of George Washington.  George be Ann Ball Conway's half-nephew. On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:56 PM, marianne dillow wrote: (3) Col.Edwin Conway (III) that married Anne Ball , daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.. this line leads to the parents of George Washington.

Ahhhhh but he had three Daniels grandsons <G> Eliz On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jean: Surely you don't mean that this person thinks that Harry > Truman is his/her ancestor. He only had one daughter (Margaret) and > her children are still living. Is it some collateral line they are > looking for?--Just curious. Craig > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Jean Suddarth wrote: > > > PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yeah, and some fall off the tree and some are swingers..... HAHA !!   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Jean Loudin <jloudin@rtol.net> wrote: From: Jean Loudin <jloudin@rtol.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:07 PM This is something I have never heard of. Remember every family tree has a few nuts on it. Ha ha. Jean

Jean: Surely you don't mean that this person thinks that Harry Truman is his/her ancestor. He only had one daughter (Margaret) and her children are still living. Is it some collateral line they are looking for?--Just curious. Craig On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Jean Suddarth wrote: > PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman.

"King Harnuff the Obese" Yup ... that one's mine! :) Marianne, thanks for the info. I always appreciate reading other's posts; never know what you might learn while reading! Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sunshine49<mailto:shengirl@verizon.net> To: mdillow31@verizon.net<mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: December 23, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line If you go far enough back, I suspect each of us has at least one "royal" ancestor. But keep in mind that long ago, a little kingdom in Europe might be about as big as a county in the US is today. But the ruler was still "King Harnuff the Obese" or some such luminary. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone

I don't care if you or I descend from Obama or Joe Blow. What offends me is the fact that things are posted without sources or documentation and presented and accepted as fact. If someone is going to copy and paste and use other's work as their own or as fact, they shouldn't be doing genealogy. I have been doing genealogy for 30 years, and I can't tell you the amount of erroneous information that people swear is fact. PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman. They barely touch on it in his genealogy on the Truman Library site. I asked a question of them: Whether the date used was the date of a will or recording of the will. They couldn't answer. You would think they the reference person could check the documents presented to them by the genealogist who did the research. But I guess that brings up another question---did this person present them with the documentation? All I'm saying is BEWARE what you accept as fact. -----Original Message----- >From: "Haynes, Patricia A." <phaynes@fulbright.com> >Sent: Dec 23, 2008 5:01 PM >To: mdillow31@verizon.net, VACULPEP@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > >You have not offended me and you were not the one posting politics. Please look at the first e-mail I sent. It was not directed towards you. It was directed at Fern's e-mail which was responding to your first e-mail. I found all the info from your post and that of others quite interesting even if it isn't my line. Keep up the good work. > >________________________________ > >From: marianne dillow [mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net] >Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:58 PM >To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com >Cc: Haynes, Patricia A. >Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > >I'm sorry if you are offended but I have received many emails that descend from these lineages that do appreciate the information. I am not talking about politics only genealogy. There are sources on this as William Addams Reitwiesner and Gary Boyd Roberts does genealogy on all of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They are people too with family and lineages just as well as everyone else does. That is because we all are human beings and genealogy belongs to all of us. . I posted this as genealogy not politics. I repeat, this has nothing to do with politics but genealogy only. And there are many desecendants throughout Virginia and Maryland that descends from the Eltonhead, Sutton, Thacker lines that I mentioned including myself. If we share a grandparent with someone in politics it is called genealogy not politics. > >I talk about genealogy period as I have been involved since 1982 on both my Mother and Father's lines and this one is my Mother''s in VA. I also have other lines in Culpeper of Graves, Parks, Pulliam and before that these lines were is Orange and Spotsylvania of Pulliam and Holladay, etc. > >Marianne Dillow > > >--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> wrote: > > > From: Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> > Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com, mdillow31@verizon.net > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:19 AM > > > Excuse me, but please keep your political views to yourself. While there are no > sources for this, it is entirely possible it is true, and if you are an > Eltonhead descendent you might be interested. I've seen other Obama > genealogies, and in fact, it has been reported on the news (don't know who > did the research) that Obama and Cheney are distantly related. > > Genealogy is what it is, regardless of whether or not we like it. I do not > intend to get into an e-mail dispute over this, but do feel that your comments > are not warranted. Have a great holiday season! > > Patricia Haynes > > -----Original Message----- > From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Fern > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:31 AM > To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list or any > other list - We all know where and how we got this man so let's not make up > stupid stories.... > fern > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marianne dillow > To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead > Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth > Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the > Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent > of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England > (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, > and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress > President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., > novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the > wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin > McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. > Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus > Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you go far enough back, I suspect each of us has at least one "royal" ancestor. But keep in mind that long ago, a little kingdom in Europe might be about as big as a county in the US is today. But the ruler was still "King Harnuff the Obese" or some such luminary. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:03 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > I know what you mean Marge,.. Genealogy leads us in many different > directions. In Culpeper I have my Mother's family lines of Graves, > Parks, Pulliam, etc and before that Holladay and others in > Spotsylvania. And many farmers among them. I have more farmers than > royalty. :) > > Marianne Dillow > > > --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> wrote: > > From: Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 12:38 PM > > I agree that genealogy is what it is...but you can hook your > ancestors to > anybody you want if you bend the lines a little. > > For instance the Cheney that obama is hooked to was no were near the > residing area where the other cheney's ancestors came from. And > there are > notes that obama's dunham relatives changed their names in New > Jersey back > in the late 1600's. > > I know it is thrilling to want to be related to some person in > history. But > I am proud of my ancestors if they only came from digging dirt in > the Lord > and Master's fields. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

And I have the Daniel line that married into the Vivion line to the Thacker, Eltonhead line but if I am kin to the Truman's I don't know it.   But, who knows. :) Maybe there needs to be more research. LOL !   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:54 PM Ahhhhh but he had three Daniels grandsons <G> Eliz On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > Jean: Surely you don't mean that this person thinks that Harry > Truman is his/her ancestor. He only had one daughter (Margaret) and > her children are still living. Is it some collateral line they are > looking for?--Just curious. Craig > > > On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Jean Suddarth wrote: > > > PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman. > > >

Cynthia,    There are three Edwin Conway's.: (1) Edwin Conway, SR. married Martha Eltonhead (my 9th great grandparents) Their son: (2) Edwin Conway, JR. married Sarah Fleete  (some call her Sarah Walker) and 2nd to  Elizabeth Thornton.. and some say Thompson.. LOL ! This is the 1698 will you have below. Their son: (3) Col.Edwin Conway (III) that married Anne Ball , daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.. this line leads to the parents of George Washington.   Another line that descends from above is Francis Conway that married Rebecca Catlett... these lines  plus my Martha Eltonhead's sister, Alice Eltonhead''s 2nd husband is Henry Corbin.. this leads to the Lee's of Virginia and the Washington's.   There were a lot of intermarriages in this bunch. And my grandfather Henry Thacker, Sr. had a son named Edward Thacker born ca 1655. I also descend from Henry Thacker SR 's son Henry Thacker, JR who married Elizabeth Payne.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Cynthia Claytonroberts <CynthiaCR@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Cynthia Claytonroberts <CynthiaCR@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [VACULPEP] Will of Edwin Conway written 19 March 1698 To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:36 PM Does anyone have a copy of the original from Richmond? I typed this from Hayden's "Virginia Genealogies" and I'm wondering, in the last item: is this correct? Did the transcriber mean Mr. Edwin Conway? Or mean Mr. Edwin Thacker twice? _________________________ *In the name of God, Amen. I, Edwin Conway, of the County of Richmond, being very sick of body, but of sound mind, and perfect memory, Praised bee God, doe make and ordain this my last will and testament, in manner, as forwith, first and most principally, I give and bequeathe my soul to God that gave it. In certain hope, notwithstanding my unworthiness, to receive pardon for all my sins through the blessed merits of my dear Redeemer the Lord Jesus Christ, & by no other way or manner, whatsoever, doe I hope for my pardon, and my body, I commit to the earth to bee buried in my burying ground in Lancaster, by the left side of my dear wife Sarah, dec'd, at the discretion of my Brother-in-law Mr. Henry Fleete, and Mr. Andrew Jackson, in certain hope, thro the merits aforesaid, that soul & body will have a joyful meeting, at the resurrection of the just. Item, I give and bequeathe unto my son Francis, seven hundred and six acres of land in the county of Essex, being that land I bought of Mr. Henry Ceyton. The saide land, do I give to my saide sone, and to the heirs of his body lawfully to bee begotten; and for the want of such heirs, the saide land to fall to the child or children whereof my wife now goeth withall, and to the heirs of their body lawfully to bee begotten; and for want of such heirs, to my sone Edwin, to him and his heirs forever. I also give to my sd sone Francis, three negroes, Sam & Kate & Frank, their child, to him, the said Francis, and his heirs as aforesaid, and for lack of such heirs, to the child or children, whereof my wife now goeth withall to them and their heirs forever. Item, I give unto the child, or children, whereof my wife now goeth withall, the crop of sweet scented tobacco that is now below at my lower plantation, to be put into the hands of Henry and Edwin Thacker and sent for England, and when money is made from the sale of the same, They, to buy two negroes, such as in their discretion they shall think fit, and to bee delivered to their mother, for the saide child or children. Item, I give to my sone Edwin, all that estate, both real and personal, which I formerly gave him by deed of gift, recorded in Lancaster Court, with all and every part and parcel of my estate in Lancaster County, not before given, except one negro man named Jack. Only I hereby oblige saide sone, to pay unto his sister Mary the cattle formerly given to her by deed of gift. I also give to my saide sone, my bay Mare, and all my wearing cloths, and all my mathematical instruments and bookes, and all the cloth and stuff sent for to England, when please God they doe arrive. I doe hereby also make my saide sone full and sole executor of all this legacy hereby given to him. Item, I give unto my daughter Mary all that estate, both real & personal, I formerly gave her by deed of gift recorded in Lancaster Court, and my brown Mare, and all the clothing I sent for out of England, when please God they doe arrive. Item, I give and bequeathe unto my dear and loving wife Elizabeth Conway, all my estate real and personal not hereby given away before. All and every part and parcel that may or can be found in Virginia, England, or elsewhere, and I doe hereby make and ordain my saide wife Elizabeth, full and sole executrix of all hereby given to her. Requesting her to pay all my debts. Item, I nominate and appoint my trusty friends and kinsmen Mr. Andrew Jackson, Mr. Samuel Fox, Mr. Henry Thacker and Mr. Edwin Conway, to bee overseers of this my last will and testament, Desiring my sd overseers, to carefully advise and instruct my children by my first wife, in their persons and estates. And to bee assistant to their power, to my dear wife Elizabeth. And if it should please God, to take away my dear wife during her childrens minority, then I commit their care and tuition of them, and their estates, to my saide kinsmen Mr. Henry Thacker, and Mr. Edwin Thacker, for witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of March, in ye year of Our Lord God One Thousand Six Hundred, Ninety and Eight. Edwin [Ye Seal] Conway Signed and Sealed in ye presence of Alexander Spence, John Size. At a Court held for Richmond County on the 7th of Sept 1698. This will presented by Elizabeth Conway and proved in Open Court by the oathes of Alexander Spence and John Size, and ordered to bee recorded. (See Min. of R'd Court.) ____________________________________

Does anyone have a copy of the original from Richmond? I typed this from Hayden's "Virginia Genealogies" and I'm wondering, in the last item: is this correct? Did the transcriber mean Mr. Edwin Conway? Or mean Mr. Edwin Thacker twice? _________________________ *In the name of God, Amen. I, Edwin Conway, of the County of Richmond, being very sick of body, but of sound mind, and perfect memory, Praised bee God, doe make and ordain this my last will and testament, in manner, as forwith, first and most principally, I give and bequeathe my soul to God that gave it. In certain hope, notwithstanding my unworthiness, to receive pardon for all my sins through the blessed merits of my dear Redeemer the Lord Jesus Christ, & by no other way or manner, whatsoever, doe I hope for my pardon, and my body, I commit to the earth to bee buried in my burying ground in Lancaster, by the left side of my dear wife Sarah, dec'd, at the discretion of my Brother-in-law Mr. Henry Fleete, and Mr. Andrew Jackson, in certain hope, thro the merits aforesaid, that soul & body will have a joyful meeting, at the resurrection of the just. Item, I give and bequeathe unto my son Francis, seven hundred and six acres of land in the county of Essex, being that land I bought of Mr. Henry Ceyton. The saide land, do I give to my saide sone, and to the heirs of his body lawfully to bee begotten; and for the want of such heirs, the saide land to fall to the child or children whereof my wife now goeth withall, and to the heirs of their body lawfully to bee begotten; and for want of such heirs, to my sone Edwin, to him and his heirs forever. I also give to my sd sone Francis, three negroes, Sam & Kate & Frank, their child, to him, the said Francis, and his heirs as aforesaid, and for lack of such heirs, to the child or children, whereof my wife now goeth withall to them and their heirs forever. Item, I give unto the child, or children, whereof my wife now goeth withall, the crop of sweet scented tobacco that is now below at my lower plantation, to be put into the hands of Henry and Edwin Thacker and sent for England, and when money is made from the sale of the same, They, to buy two negroes, such as in their discretion they shall think fit, and to bee delivered to their mother, for the saide child or children. Item, I give to my sone Edwin, all that estate, both real and personal, which I formerly gave him by deed of gift, recorded in Lancaster Court, with all and every part and parcel of my estate in Lancaster County, not before given, except one negro man named Jack. Only I hereby oblige saide sone, to pay unto his sister Mary the cattle formerly given to her by deed of gift. I also give to my saide sone, my bay Mare, and all my wearing cloths, and all my mathematical instruments and bookes, and all the cloth and stuff sent for to England, when please God they doe arrive. I doe hereby also make my saide sone full and sole executor of all this legacy hereby given to him. Item, I give unto my daughter Mary all that estate, both real & personal, I formerly gave her by deed of gift recorded in Lancaster Court, and my brown Mare, and all the clothing I sent for out of England, when please God they doe arrive. Item, I give and bequeathe unto my dear and loving wife Elizabeth Conway, all my estate real and personal not hereby given away before. All and every part and parcel that may or can be found in Virginia, England, or elsewhere, and I doe hereby make and ordain my saide wife Elizabeth, full and sole executrix of all hereby given to her. Requesting her to pay all my debts. Item, I nominate and appoint my trusty friends and kinsmen Mr. Andrew Jackson, Mr. Samuel Fox, Mr. Henry Thacker and Mr. Edwin Conway, to bee overseers of this my last will and testament, Desiring my sd overseers, to carefully advise and instruct my children by my first wife, in their persons and estates. And to bee assistant to their power, to my dear wife Elizabeth. And if it should please God, to take away my dear wife during her childrens minority, then I commit their care and tuition of them, and their estates, to my saide kinsmen Mr. Henry Thacker, and Mr. Edwin Thacker, for witness whereof I hereunto set my hand and seal, this nineteenth day of March, in ye year of Our Lord God One Thousand Six Hundred, Ninety and Eight. Edwin [Ye Seal] Conway Signed and Sealed in ye presence of Alexander Spence, John Size. At a Court held for Richmond County on the 7th of Sept 1698. This will presented by Elizabeth Conway and proved in Open Court by the oathes of Alexander Spence and John Size, and ordered to bee recorded. (See Min. of R'd Court.) ____________________________________

Hi Roy, Thank you !!    I am glad some like it. From the 5 Eltonhead girls, which Martha is my grandmother, descends the Lee's from Virginia and President George Washington;  President James Madison ;  President Zachary Taylor, and several Supreme Court Justices of the United States of America and two Lee's that are signers of the Declaration of Indepenence plus Gouvenour Morris who helped in framing the Constitution of the United States of Aamerica, and Pres-elect Barack Obama.   Now, that is genealogy and '"not" politics. :)   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> wrote: From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:32 PM "King Harnuff the Obese" Yup ... that one's mine! :) Marianne, thanks for the info. I always appreciate reading other's posts; never know what you might learn while reading! Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sunshine49<mailto:shengirl@verizon.net> To: mdillow31@verizon.net<mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: December 23, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line If you go far enough back, I suspect each of us has at least one "royal" ancestor. But keep in mind that long ago, a little kingdom in Europe might be about as big as a county in the US is today. But the ruler was still "King Harnuff the Obese" or some such luminary. Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone

You have not offended me and you were not the one posting politics. Please look at the first e-mail I sent. It was not directed towards you. It was directed at Fern's e-mail which was responding to your first e-mail. I found all the info from your post and that of others quite interesting even if it isn't my line. Keep up the good work. ________________________________ From: marianne dillow [mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:58 PM To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Cc: Haynes, Patricia A. Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line I'm sorry if you are offended but I have received many emails that descend from these lineages that do appreciate the information. I am not talking about politics only genealogy. There are sources on this as William Addams Reitwiesner and Gary Boyd Roberts does genealogy on all of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They are people too with family and lineages just as well as everyone else does. That is because we all are human beings and genealogy belongs to all of us. . I posted this as genealogy not politics. I repeat, this has nothing to do with politics but genealogy only. And there are many desecendants throughout Virginia and Maryland that descends from the Eltonhead, Sutton, Thacker lines that I mentioned including myself. If we share a grandparent with someone in politics it is called genealogy not politics. I talk about genealogy period as I have been involved since 1982 on both my Mother and Father's lines and this one is my Mother''s in VA. I also have other lines in Culpeper of Graves, Parks, Pulliam and before that these lines were is Orange and Spotsylvania of Pulliam and Holladay, etc. Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> wrote: From: Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com, mdillow31@verizon.net Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 11:19 AM Excuse me, but please keep your political views to yourself. While there are no sources for this, it is entirely possible it is true, and if you are an Eltonhead descendent you might be interested. I've seen other Obama genealogies, and in fact, it has been reported on the news (don't know who did the research) that Obama and Cheney are distantly related. Genealogy is what it is, regardless of whether or not we like it. I do not intend to get into an e-mail dispute over this, but do feel that your comments are not warranted. Have a great holiday season! Patricia Haynes -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Fern Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:31 AM To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so let's not make up stupid stories.... fern ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne. This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright." Written by Gary Boyd Roberts Marianne Dillow

Hi Jean,   I did post a source. It was Gary Boyd Roberts who has written books on the English settling America incuding Virginia and the immigrants who settled them. He is very well known for his research and connecting the immigrants who settled places like Virginia and the Northeast states..   I have been doing genealogy since 1982 on both my Mother and Father's lines the hard way. That means starting at cemetaries, courthouses, making out of state trips to state archives and state libraries, plus regular genealogy libraries. I have many books and I don't post my lineages to Rootsweb where there are so many errors and they only know how to do genealogy by internet.   I am not kin to the Truman's but  I sent Craig Kilby the website so he can check it out for you. I hope he finds something to prove your line. :)   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Jean Suddarth <jsuddarth@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Jean Suddarth <jsuddarth@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:19 PM I don't care if you or I descend from Obama or Joe Blow. What offends me is the fact that things are posted without sources or documentation and presented and accepted as fact. If someone is going to copy and paste and use other's work as their own or as fact, they shouldn't be doing genealogy. I have been doing genealogy for 30 years, and I can't tell you the amount of erroneous information that people swear is fact. PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman. They barely touch on it in his genealogy on the Truman Library site. I asked a question of them: Whether the date used was the date of a will or recording of the will. They couldn't answer. You would think they the reference person could check the documents presented to them by the genealogist who did the research. But I guess that brings up another question---did this person present them with the documentation? All I'm saying is BEWARE what you accept as fact. -----Original Message----- >From: "Haynes, Patricia A." <phaynes@fulbright.com> >Sent: Dec 23, 2008 5:01 PM >To: mdillow31@verizon.net, VACULPEP@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > >You have not offended me and you were not the one posting politics. Please look at the first e-mail I sent. It was not directed towards you. It was directed at Fern's e-mail which was responding to your first e-mail. I found all the info from your post and that of others quite interesting even if it isn't my line. Keep up the good work. > >________________________________ > >From: marianne dillow [mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net] >Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:58 PM >To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com >Cc: Haynes, Patricia A. >Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > >I'm sorry if you are offended but I have received many emails that descend from these lineages that do appreciate the information. I am not talking about politics only genealogy. There are sources on this as William Addams Reitwiesner and Gary Boyd Roberts does genealogy on all of the Presidents and Vice-Presidents. They are people too with family and lineages just as well as everyone else does. That is because we all are human beings and genealogy belongs to all of us. . I posted this as genealogy not politics. I repeat, this has nothing to do with politics but genealogy only. And there are many desecendants throughout Virginia and Maryland that descends from the Eltonhead, Sutton, Thacker lines that I mentioned including myself. If we share a grandparent with someone in politics it is called genealogy not politics. > >I talk about genealogy period as I have been involved since 1982 on both my Mother and Father's lines and this one is my Mother''s in VA. I also have other lines in Culpeper of Graves, Parks, Pulliam and before that these lines were is Orange and Spotsylvania of Pulliam and Holladay, etc. > >Marianne Dillow > >