That's correct Mr. Kilby. I say...give me a paper trail.

I'm from Missouri, so you will have to show me your documentation and how you have proved all of this. Your move. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:15 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > Hi Craig, > > It is proven all the way from me through my Mother's lines by > wills and other records. That is all that is required... records,.. > wills, etc. I have a will on each generation etc. That is called > genealogy and research. Have a good day :) > > Marianne Dillow > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > Subject: It's all relative > To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:11 AM > > > I think this was the whole point. I could go to Walmart and run > into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it. All this > talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is > just so much talk. As my favorite researcher likes to say: > > > PROVE IT > > > Craig Kilby > > > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > > > I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th > cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I think this was the whole point. I could go to Walmart and run into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it. All this talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is just so much talk. As my favorite researcher likes to say: PROVE IT Craig Kilby On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th > cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia.

Hi Craig,    Well the wills proves it all. They are on my Family Tree Maker. But this list doesn't accept attachments. And I am not typing all those generations of wills to this list. You can believe it or forget it. It really doesn't matter to me because I know the records I have.   Also, one other thing, on another line on mine in Culpeper.. James Graves.  He died and his will is dated 1781 in Culpeper. His father was John Graves and for years everyone was saying that he descended from Capt. Thomas Graves who is one of the first of the settlers of the colonies of Va. They were wrong. They went by "associations."    Well, that didn't prove it and instead just confused everything. As DNA testing was done it was proven my James Graves in Culpeper actually descended from a John Graves that just happened to be in the same counties and time period of the sons of Capt. Thomas Graves. DNA proved my John Graves was just someone by the same name and wasn't kin to Capt. Thomas Graves after all. Instead he came from England and the surname was Grieves before it became Graves. So, "asssociations" doesn't always prove lineages. It takes "records" and DNA testing if it is needed.    This James Graves of mine married Sarah unknown. I descend from their daughter Mary Graves who married Richard  Parks whose will is dated in Culpeper 17 Sep 1787. He is the son of John Parks and Margaret True.   I descend from their daughter Ann Parks who married John Frances Pulliam who went to Warren and died in Allen Co., Ky. John's parents are Thomas Pulliam and Frances Boswell of Culpeper. These lines go back to Spotsylvania to Thomas Pulliam  and Winnifred Holladay dau of John Marshall Holladay.  The Boswell line goes to John Boswell and Ann Ranson (Ransom).  These are some of the other grandparents who I have in Culpeper and Spotsylvania of my Mother's family lines.   I have been doing genealogy the hard way since 1982. That doesn't mean copying from the internet as many do. It means starting with cemetaries,  records from courthouses, out of state trips to state archives and libraries, church records, etc.  I wish more on Rootsweb would do the same and quit posting everything someone else as on the internet. Records and DNA proves lineages. And that is called  real genealogy and really is the fun of it. :)   Marianne Dillow    On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:38 AM I'm from Missouri, so you will have to show me your documentation and how you have proved all of this. Your move. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:15 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > Hi Craig, > > It is proven all the way from me through my Mother's lines by > wills and other records. That is all that is required... records,.. > wills, etc. I have a will on each generation etc. That is called > genealogy and research. Have a good day :) > > Marianne Dillow > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > Subject: It's all relative > To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:11 AM > > > I think this was the whole point. I could go to Walmart and run > into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it. All this > talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is > just so much talk. As my favorite researcher likes to say: > > > PROVE IT > > > Craig Kilby > > > > On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > > > I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th > cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia. > >

to be truthful those of that can trace our ancestry is only because they did come from the higher ranks of people as the serfs did not keep their lineage.  But the only thing that that means is that somewhere on down the line we are all related somewhere on the family tree.    I tell my Aunt that my mother lied when she said we were Scots, Irish, French and Indian.  I do believe that i have found a relative in almost every country in the world  which means that I am Heinz 57.  hehe   We laugh and figure the reason we have bad tempers is the Scots, Irish and Sicilian in us and the cold calculating from the English, Swede, Danish etc. and other temperments from others in the background. Dee H. genluver_2@yahoo.com I cannot breathe life into you I can only be. --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 10:11 PM I think this was the whole point. I could go to Walmart and run into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it. All this talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is just so much talk. As my favorite researcher likes to say: PROVE IT Craig Kilby On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: > I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th > cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Craig,    It is proven all the way from me through my Mother's lines by wills and other records. That is all that is required... records,.. wills, etc. I have a will on each generation etc. That is called genealogy and research. Have a good day :)   Marianne Dillow   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 12:11 AM I think this was the whole point.  I could go to Walmart and run into a ninth cousin without either of us even knowing it.  All this talk about being descendants of King so-and-so or Adam and Eve is just so much talk.   As my favorite researcher likes to say: PROVE IT Craig Kilby On Jan 6, 2009, at 12:55 AM, marianne dillow wrote: I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia.

I am the one who posted about Barack Obama and myself being 9th cousins through Conway, Eltonhead, Thacker grandparents in Virginia. I emailed Fern off list to explain this was all about genealogy and not politics. She did not respond. And you are right as there are many Presidents who are kin to each other through the Plantagenets. It is called genealogy as all of us are human beings and have families. That means politicians too.   Marianne Dillow     --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Dee H. <genluver_2@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Dee H. <genluver_2@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] rude letter and comments To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, January 5, 2009, 11:47 PM I have offline for awhile due to illness in the family and am just catching up with my email and I must say that Fern's letter about Obama was quite rude.   I myself did not vote for him but many did and he deserves respect for the fact that he won.   And as for his genealogy all presidental canidates have there family trees researched by several extremely good genealogist and i  am quite sure that they didn't not feel that their work was trash. Dee H. genluver_2@yahoo.com I cannot breathe life into you I can only be. --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> wrote: From: Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:13 AM I guess if John McCain won, you'd consider his genealogy a "stupid story" too? Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Fern wrote: > This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list > or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so > let's not make up stupid stories.... > fern > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marianne dillow > To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton > through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter > Eltonhead Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that > married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married > Elizabeth Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William > the Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, > Isabel of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male > line of the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of > the very few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best > royal descent of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King > of England (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, > Bold, Gerard, and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a > large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the > FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis > Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental > Congress President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, > Jr., novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., > and the wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, > Edwin McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood > Byrd. Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing > possibilities we wish to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, > filmmaker John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus > Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > >   

I have offline for awhile due to illness in the family and am just catching up with my email and I must say that Fern's letter about Obama was quite rude.   I myself did not vote for him but many did and he deserves respect for the fact that he won.   And as for his genealogy all presidental canidates have there family trees researched by several extremely good genealogist and i  am quite sure that they didn't not feel that their work was trash. Dee H. genluver_2@yahoo.com I cannot breathe life into you I can only be. --- On Tue, 12/23/08, Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> wrote: From: Sunshine49 <shengirl@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 9:13 AM I guess if John McCain won, you'd consider his genealogy a "stupid story" too? Nancy ------- I was never lost, but I was bewildered once for three days. --Daniel Boone On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:31 AM, Fern wrote: > This is a ridiculous bunch of trash and doesn't belong on this list > or any other list - We all know where and how we got this man so > let's not make up stupid stories.... > fern > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marianne dillow > To: VACULPEP@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 10:40 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > > > Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton > through > Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter > Eltonhead Conway > and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that > married Thomas > Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married > Elizabeth Payne. > > > This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles : > > "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William > the Lion, > King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, > Isabel of > Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male > line of the > FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of > the very few > that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best > royal descent of > Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King > of England (died > 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, > Bold, Gerard, and > Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England." > > "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a > large > number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the > FitzRandolph, > Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. " > > "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis > Lightfoot > Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental > Congress President > Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, > Jr., novelist > John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., > and the wives > of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, > Edwin McMasters > Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood > Byrd. Kinships > to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing > possibilities we wish to > confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, > filmmaker John > Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus > Wainwright." > > Written by Gary Boyd Roberts > > Marianne Dillow > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1861 - Release Date: > 12/22/2008 11:23 AM > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

William and Mary College Quarterly Historical Magazine Vol. XXV By College of William and Mary Published by The College, 1917 Editor : LYON TYLER, M. A. LL. D. President Of William And Mary College, Williamsburg, Va. Associate Editor: William Clayton Torrence Secretary Valentine Museum, Richmond, Va. Richmond, Va. Whittit & Shepperson, Printers Original from the University of Virginia Digitized by Google Dec 3, 2007 pp184-191 THE SMITHS OF VIRGINIA By The Editor Input: "Shooter's Hill" Google Book Search at http://books.google.com/

I have a Caleb SMITH and had a note as follows: The Virginia Herald July 22, 1815 3:5 I wish to rent, for 1, 2, or 3 years, the following property, belonging to the estate of the late Caleb Smith, deceased, viz: The tract of land called Marengo, whereon he resided at the time of his death, lying on Rozier's creek and Potomac river, containing about 750 acres, divided into 3 fields, (besides a standing pasture) one of which is now in corn, and may be seeded in wheat this fall. On the land is a large and convenient two story dwelling house, with all necessary out houses, orchards, gardens, &c. Also, the property at Mellville, consisting of a new store-house, blacksmith's shop, and a newly rebuilt overshot grist mill, with two pair of stones, on a never failing stream, having thereon a cotton picking machine of the best quality -This mill is situated in a wealthy neighborhood, affording an abundance of grist, besides the Maryland custom, which is considerable, the mill being at the head of tide water on Rozier's creek. Also, the tract of land at present occupied by William Coakley, situated within 3 miles of the courthouse of this county, containing upwards of 1500 acres, divided into 4 fields. On this land is a house so well known as a tavern, and now kept by said Coakley. -Also, one other grist mill situated within 2 miles of the last mentioned tract, containing 2 pair of stones, on a good stream, and lately rebuilt in the best manner as an overshot, with brick walls, &c. having therein also a cotton picking machine. Adjoining this mill is a tract of about 150 acres of good forest land, which may be rented with or without the mill. The subscriber will rent the whole or any part of the above property at a bargain to any person disposed to take it, till the 15th of next month, on which day, if not sooner disposed of, he will rent Marengo and the Mellville property to the highest bidder at Mellville- and on Wednesday the 16th, will rent at William Coakley's that property and the mill adjoining. Austin Smith, Administrator of Caleb Smith, dec'd. King George County, July 21, 1815. NOTE Austin was often used for the given name Augustine. Here is part of that line, but I lack parents for Caleb SMITH, who married a SMITH. I am related to DONIPHAN through George MOTT line. Descendants of William Smith, Capt. 1 William Smith, Capt. 1741 - 1803 b: 02/15/1741 in Fauquier Co., Va. d: 01/22/1803 in Fauquier Co., Virginia .. +Elizabeth Doniphan 1744 - 1809 b: 04/18/1744 in Overwharton Parish, Stafford Co., Va. d: 01/15/1809 in Fauquier Co., Va. ........ 2 Mary Waugh Smith 1775 - 1811 b: 01/21/1775 in Fauquier Co., Va. d: 09/15/1811 in Fauquier Co., Va. ............ +Caleb Smith 1761 - 1814 b: 1761 d: 11/1814 ........ 2 Walter Anderson Smith 1779 - 1845 b: 02/07/1779 in Fauquier Co., Va. d: 10/17/1845 in Fauquier Co., Va. ............ +Catherine "Kitty" Morehead ........ *2nd Wife of Walter Anderson Smith: ............ +Charlotte Triplett 1798 - b: Bef. 1798 ........ 2 Joseph Doniphan Smith 1782 - b: 10/26/1782 in Fauquier Co., Va. d: in Missouri ........ 2 Elizabeth Doniphan Smith 1784 - b: 07/30/1784 in Fauquier Co., Va. ............ +George Deneale, Jr., Capt. 1766 - 1818 b: 1766 in Fairfax Co., Virginia>Alexandria, Va 1790 d: 1818 in Alexandria, Virginia ................... 3 William Deneale 1807 - b: Aft. 1807 ................... 3 George Deneale III 1807 - b: Aft. 1807 ................... 3 Mary Catherine Deneale 1807 - b: Aft. 1807 ........ 2 Catherine Harrison Smith 1789 - b: 01/12/1789 in Fauquier Co., Va. ........ 2 Ann Anderson Smith 1776 - b: 10/07/1776 ............ +Joseph Doniphan 1757 - 1814 b: 1757 d: 04/12/1814 in Mason Co., Ky ........ 2 William Rowley Smith, Col. 1781 - 1857 b: 02/12/1781 in "Alton Farms", Fauquier Co., Va. d: 06/09/1857 in Fauquier Co., Va. ............ +Lucy Steptoe Blackwell 1793 - 1879 b: 05/03/1793 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 10/17/1879 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Joseph Blackwell Smith 1810 - 1886 b: 03/14/1810 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 01/31/1886 in Evergreen, Fauquier Co., Va. ....................... +Eleanor Jane Towson 1816 - 1864 b: 11/21/1816 d: 06/09/1864 ................... 3 William Smith 1812 - b: 04/12/1812 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Mary Glasscock 1819 - 1858 b: 1819 d: 03/31/1858 ................... *2nd Wife of William Smith: ....................... +Sarah Jane Towson ................... 3 Ann Eustace Smith 1814 - 1886 b: 03/27/1814 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 01/31/1886 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Moncure Conway Nutt 1812 - 1870 b: 1812 d: 1870 ................... 3 Catherine Elizabeth Smith 1815 - b: 04/15/1815 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +William G. Hunton 1818 - 1856 b: 10/08/1818 d: 02/12/1856 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Richard McAllister Smith 1819 - 1870 b: 02/28/1819 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 02/08/1870 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Ellen Harris Blackwell 1820 - 1878 b: 12/29/1820 d: 02/06/1878 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Robert E. Smith 1819 - b: 02/28/1819 ....................... +Mary Jane Hooe 1817 - 1901 b: 01/13/1817 in "Bloomsgrove", Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 02/22/1901 in Fredericksburg, Culpeper Co., Virginia, "Bunker Hill" ................... *2nd Wife of Robert E. Smith: ....................... +Eliza Reid ................... 3 Lucy Steptoe Smith 1822 - 1896 b: 07/1822 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 11/20/1896 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Joseph Blackwell - 1886 d: 1886 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Agnes Conway Smith 1822 - 1909 b: 07/1822 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 1909 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Mary Frances Smith 1824 - b: 1824 ....................... +Thomas N. Lawson ................... 3 James Madison Smith, Sherriff 1825 - b: 08/1825 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: in Albemarle Co., Virginia ................... 3 Edwin Smith 1827 - b: 06/12/1827 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: in Warrenton, Fauquier Co., Va. ................... 3 Anderson Doniphan Smith 1829 - 1872 b: 01/06/1829 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 08/27/1872 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Susan Norman 1838 - b: Bef. 1838 ................... 3 Arthur Smith 1830 - 1831 b: 11/24/1830 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 07/26/1831 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Harriet Smith 1832 - 1833 b: 04/12/1832 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 08/14/1833 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Albert Gallatin Smith 1834 - 1892 b: 01/04/1834 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 05/04/1892 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Elizabeth Carter Blackwell 1837 - 1925 b: 03/03/1837 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 06/16/1925 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Benjamin Franklin Smith 1836 - 1896 b: 02/1836 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 03/19/1896 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Isaac Eustace Smith 1837 - 1877 b: 07/29/1837 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: Bef. 1877 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ....................... +Agnes Eustace Blackwell 1840 - b: 11/05/1840 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Thomas Smith 1839 - 1839 b: 1839 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 1839 in Fauquier Co., Virginia ................... 3 Henry Smith 1817 - 1884 b: 04/12/1817 d: 1884 ....................... +Frances Eleanor Foote 1819 - 1901 b: 08/29/1819 in Fauquier Co., Virginia d: 09/09/1901 in Fauquier Co., Virginia Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************New year...new news. 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John, I have been researching Smiths of Culpeper for a few years. I wonder if the Joel Smith child of Joel and Mary) mentioned could be my gggggrandfather Joel Smith who married Sarah Fincham? One of their children, Nancy Smith, went on to marry Smith Jenkins. I never been able to tie my Joel Smith with this Joel Smith; partly due to the number of Joel Smiths in the area and partly due to a lack of verifiable info. At any rate, this is indeed a remarkable document; thank you for sharing it! Roy Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hogg<mailto:john.hogg@sbcglobal.net> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 04, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Smiths in Culpeper, VA Speaking of Smith in Culpeper Co, I have 3 Smith families there but A remarkable document appears in the Culpeper Co, Virginia Deed Book "Q", Pg. 448, dated 13 Jan 1792. Know all men by these presents that I, Mary Smith of the County of Culpeper for and in consideration of the natural love, good will and affection which I have and do bear towards my loving children Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith, Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgemond Smith, and for the further consideration of Ten Pounds Current Money to me in hand paid The receipt whereof I do hearby acknowledge hath given, granted, bargained and sell unto the said Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgmond Smith, their heirs and assigns forever in the manner hearafter mentioned all the Estate of what kind soever which I Claim under my late husband Joel Smith deceased and, all and every species of property that I claim under my deceased father Benjamin Taylor and also every kind of property which I have accumulated since the death of my said Husband and father in the following manner Vizt. <snip> Now descendents have been documented including 3 who married into the Casper Family and mine who was Gabriel Smith married a Yates. My interest is in the parents of Joel Smith and Mary Taylor. This is complicated by the fact that Benjamin Taylor's will is missing (abt 1768) and there was another Benjamin Taylor who died there in the mid 1770's. I would guess from census etc that Joel Smith and Mary Taylor were born before 1750 and married before 1770. Anyone researching this family? John www.johnhogg.us<http://www.johnhogg.us/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gabriel Smith married Susannah Yates, their dau Mollie married John Jenkins 1826. -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hist Docs Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:49 AM To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Smiths in Culpeper, VA John, I have been researching Smiths of Culpeper for a few years. I wonder if the Joel Smith child of Joel and Mary) mentioned could be my gggggrandfather Joel Smith who married Sarah Fincham? One of their children, Nancy Smith, went on to marry Smith Jenkins. I never been able to tie my Joel Smith with this Joel Smith; partly due to the number of Joel Smiths in the area and partly due to a lack of verifiable info. At any rate, this is indeed a remarkable document; thank you for sharing it! Roy Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hogg<mailto:john.hogg@sbcglobal.net> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 04, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Smiths in Culpeper, VA Speaking of Smith in Culpeper Co, I have 3 Smith families there but A remarkable document appears in the Culpeper Co, Virginia Deed Book "Q", Pg. 448, dated 13 Jan 1792. Know all men by these presents that I, Mary Smith of the County of Culpeper for and in consideration of the natural love, good will and affection which I have and do bear towards my loving children Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith, Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgemond Smith, and for the further consideration of Ten Pounds Current Money to me in hand paid The receipt whereof I do hearby acknowledge hath given, granted, bargained and sell unto the said Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgmond Smith, their heirs and assigns forever in the manner hearafter mentioned all the Estate of what kind soever which I Claim under my late husband Joel Smith deceased and, all and every species of property that I claim under my deceased father Benjamin Taylor and also every kind of property which I have accumulated since the death of my said Husband and father in the following manner Vizt. <snip> Now descendents have been documented including 3 who married into the Casper Family and mine who was Gabriel Smith married a Yates. My interest is in the parents of Joel Smith and Mary Taylor. This is complicated by the fact that Benjamin Taylor's will is missing (abt 1768) and there was another Benjamin Taylor who died there in the mid 1770's. I would guess from census etc that Joel Smith and Mary Taylor were born before 1750 and married before 1770. Anyone researching this family? John www.johnhogg.us<http://www.johnhogg.us/> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 1/1/2009 12:27:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, winnie-miller@att.net writes: Your Smith Family was interesting, especially the Western Augustine Smith. Augustine Smith married Mary Carver according to my notes. Their daughter, Mary Smith, married Robert Slaughter Jr. My line goes from Mary S and Robert Slaughter Jr. to William Slaughter and Katherine Zimmerman to Gabriel Slaughter and Frances Hord to Frances Ellen Slaughter. According to my records, the parents of Mary SMITH who m Robert SLAUGHTER were Augustine SMITH and Susannah DARNELL Descendants of Lawrence Smith, Maj. 1 Lawrence Smith, Maj. 1629 - 1700 b: 03/29/1629 in Stoneyhurst, Burnley Parish, Lancashire, England d: Bef. 08/08/1700 in of Gloucester and Yorktown .. +Mary Hitchon, Dedman? 1631 - b: Abt. 1631 ........ 2 Augustine Smith 1666 - 1736 b: 06/15/1666 in York Co., Virginia d: 07/20/1736 in of Shooters Hill,Orange/ Spotsylvania/Culpeper Co., Va.--St. Mark's Par. ............ +Susannah Darnell 1666 - b: Abt. 1666 ................... 3 Mary Smith 1703 - b: 07/13/1703 in Essex Co., Va. d: in St. Mary's Parish, Essex Co., Virginia ....................... +Robert Slaughter, Col. 1702 - 1768 b: 1702 in Essex Co., Va. d: 1768 in "Milton", LaGrange, Culpeper Co., Va. ................... 3 Joseph Smith ................... 3 James Smith ................... 3 Philip Smith ....................... +Elizabeth Bushrod ........ 2 Sarah Smith 1660 - 1718 b: Abt. 1660 in Essex Co., Virginia d: Bef. 09/13/1718 in Hanover Parish, Richmond Co., Va. ............ +John "The Ranger" Taliaferro 1656 - 1720 b: 1656 in Gloucester Co., Virginia d: 1720 in Essex Co., Virginia ................... 3 Zachariah Taliaferro 1683 - 1745 b: 1683 d: 1745 in Essex Co., Virginia ................... 3 Lawrence Taliaferro 1683 - 1726 b: Bet. 1683 - 1684 d: 1726 in Virginia ....................... +Alice Sarah Thornton ................... 3 Catherine Taliaferro 1685 - b: Bet. 1685 - 1686 ................... 3 Mary Taliaferro 1685 - b: Bet. 1685 - 1686 in Powhatan Plantation, Old Rappahannock/Essex Co., Va ....................... +Francis Thornton, Col. 1682 - 1752 b: 01/04/1682 in Stafford Co., Virginia d: 1752 ................... 3 Mary Elizabeth Taliaferro 1685 - b: Bet. 1685 - 1686 ....................... +John Catlett III 1677 - 1739 b: 1677 in Essex Co., Va. d: Bef. 06/03/1739 in Spotsylvania Co., Va ................... 3 Robert Taliaferro 1687 - b: Bet. 1687 - 1688 ....................... +Elizabeth Matthews ................... 3 Charles Taliaferro 1690 - b: 1690 ....................... +Ann Kemp ................... 3 Sarah Taliaferro 1695 - b: 10/16/1695 ....................... +George Taylor 1711 - 1792 b: 02/10/1711 in Rapidan, Orange Co., Virginia d: 11/04/1792 in Rapidan, Orange Co., Virginia ................... 3 William Taliaferro 1705 - 1760 b: 1705 d: 1760 in King and Queen Co., Virginia ....................... +Katherine Hay ................... 3 Richard Taliaferro 1706 - 1748 b: 1706 in Essex Co., Virginia d: 09/27/1748 in Caroline Co., Virginia? ....................... +Rose Ann Berryman 1708 - b: Aft. 1708 in Westmoreland Co., Virginia ................... 3 John Taliaferro, Col., of Snow Creek 1687 - 1744 b: 1687 in Snow Creek, Spotsylvania Co., Virginia d: 05/03/1744 in Snow Creek, Spotsylvania Co., Virginia ....................... +Mary Catlett 1692 - 1771 b: 1692 in Essex Co., Va. d: 1771 ........ 2 Elizabeth Smith 1666 - b: Abt. 1666 ............ +John "The Ranger" Battaile 1660 - 1708 b: Abt. 1660 d: 1708 ................... 3 Lawrence Battaile ................... 3 Hay Battaile ................... 3 Elizabeth Battaile 1695 - 1710 b: 1695 in Essex Co., Virginia d: 09/1710 in Caroline Co., Virginia ....................... +Andrew Harrison 1687 - 1753 b: 1687 in Essex Co., Virginia d: 07/13/1753 in Orange Co., Virginia ........ 2 Lawrence Smith 1651 - b: Aft. 1651 ............ +Mildred Chisman ........ 2 John Smith 1651 - b: Aft. 1651 ............ +Elizabeth Cox ........ 2 William Smith 1651 - b: Aft. 1651 ............ +Elizabeth Ballard ........ 2 Charles Smith 1651 - b: Aft. 1651 ............ +Dorothy (?) Smith Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Speaking of Smith in Culpeper Co, I have 3 Smith families there but A remarkable document appears in the Culpeper Co, Virginia Deed Book "Q", Pg. 448, dated 13 Jan 1792. Know all men by these presents that I, Mary Smith of the County of Culpeper for and in consideration of the natural love, good will and affection which I have and do bear towards my loving children Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith, Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgemond Smith, and for the further consideration of Ten Pounds Current Money to me in hand paid The receipt whereof I do hearby acknowledge hath given, granted, bargained and sell unto the said Clary Smith, Caleb Smith, Daniel Smith, Joel Smith Gabriel Smith, Polly Smith, Augustine Smith, John Smith and Hedgmond Smith, their heirs and assigns forever in the manner hearafter mentioned all the Estate of what kind soever which I Claim under my late husband Joel Smith deceased and, all and every species of property that I claim under my deceased father Benjamin Taylor and also every kind of property which I have accumulated since the death of my said Husband and father in the following manner Vizt. <snip> Now descendents have been documented including 3 who married into the Casper Family and mine who was Gabriel Smith married a Yates. My interest is in the parents of Joel Smith and Mary Taylor. This is complicated by the fact that Benjamin Taylor's will is missing (abt 1768) and there was another Benjamin Taylor who died there in the mid 1770's. I would guess from census etc that Joel Smith and Mary Taylor were born before 1750 and married before 1770. Anyone researching this family? John www.johnhogg.us

Your Smith Family was interesting, especially the Western Augustine Smith. Augustine Smith married Mary Carver according to my notes. Their daughter, Mary Smith, married Robert Slaughter Jr. My line goes from Mary S and Robert Slaughter Jr. to William Slaughter and Katherine Zimmerman to Gabriel Slaughter and Frances Hord to Frances Ellen Slaughter. Frances married a Claudsley W Smith that I can find nothing. As some of Frances's brothers went to Indiana from VA I feel there must be a connection of the Smiths in VA to a Smith marrying in Indiana to Frances Ellen Slaughter. Only one Census(1830) has Frances Ellen Slaughter and Claudsley W mentioned with their first child , a daughter. My George Lawrence Smith was born later in 1836 in Louisville, KY. In the Hord notes I have a Gulielmus Smith mentioned in a Court Record. He doesn't seem to be a relative and could have been a slave runner. Gulielmus Smith deeded land to William Hord c 1831. Gabriel Slaughter and Frances Sophia Hord had: John, Lawrence, James, William, Mary and my Frances Ellen Slaughter. When we have a Smith in the family we grasped every ounce of information.

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I have a 559 page book on the descendants of Richard Eltonhead and Ann Sutton besides my direct grandparents I have been posting on. In the CD attachment the 559 pages is on I noticed the descendants of these names descend from Richard  Eltonhead and Ann  Sutton also.   Descendants of : (1) Madison lines (2) Reynolds Chapman line,  Orange County (3) Col. John Taliaferro that married Mary Catlett, Spots. Co. (4) Col. Francis Thornton, Spots. Co. (5) Col. John Air Throckmorton m. Sarah McCarty Hooe (6) Col. John Thornton,  Spots. Co. (7) Col. Lawrence Taliaferro,  Orange and Culpeper Counties (8) Dr. John Taliaferro Lewis (9) Lucy Taliaferro married Charles Lewis,  Culpeper Co. (10)  Rev. Henry Fry m. Susan T. "Sukie" Walker (11)  Verlinda Taliaferro m. Catlett Conway, Jr. (12)  William Fry Grady,  Orange Co. (13)  Rice Curtis m. Martha Thacker , their dau Martha Curtis m. Henry Pendleton, Sr., Culpeper Co.   There could be more.   Marianne Dillow

Craig- I NEVER said I was related to Truman. I am looking for information on a specific person in his direct lineage 10 generations back (in the 1600s). The wife was married four times;one man in Truman's line and one in the line I am working on. What I find as far as the recorded date of the will of the man in Truman's line, will be a major step in disproving what everyone has accepted as fact. My only reason for even posting regarding this was to show that even information posted on a Presidential Library website (and research performed by a recognized genealogist)can either be inaccurate or incomplete. Jean -----Original Message----- >From: marianne dillow <mdillow31@verizon.net> >Sent: Dec 23, 2008 8:02 PM >To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line > >And I have the Daniel line that married into the Vivion line to the Thacker, Eltonhead line but if I am kin to the Truman's I don't know it.   But, who knows. :) Maybe there needs to be more research. LOL ! >  >Marianne Dillow > >--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: > >From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> >Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Barack Obama Descends From Eltonhead Line >To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com >Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 4:54 PM > >Ahhhhh but he had three Daniels grandsons <G> > > > >Eliz > >On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net> >wrote: > >> Jean: Surely you don't mean that this person thinks that Harry >> Truman is his/her ancestor. He only had one daughter (Margaret) and >> her children are still living. Is it some collateral line they are >> looking for?--Just curious. Craig >> >> >> On Dec 23, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Jean Suddarth wrote: >> >> > PS-I have been searching someone going back to President Truman. >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message