Pleae be aware. ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: Abordo Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Please take it off site You are late,. It has been taken care of by me,. I have stopped Craig. There will be no more postings on this. A lady that was behind on her emails brought up a posting from weeks ago which Craig started his stuff on me. I onlly responded defending myself. Now if you will please quit posting about this it will be stopped. If you have read the thread in the Archives you would have seen that. I am on 65 mailing lists and don't have problems with any of them. If you want to blame someone.. try Craig Kilby . Marianne --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Abordo <rama@pacific.net> wrote: From: Abordo <rama@pacific.net> Subject: Please take it off site To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 6:43 PM Attn> List Admin.: Please see to this matter. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> To: <vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) Well, there it is. It speaks for itself Craig, You are the one who keeps this up. I tried long ago to drop it but you persist. And I am tired of it. Spare this list please and if you have anything else to say .. spare them.. and email me personally. I have only responded to this because of your pursuing it. But, in saying that I am getting very tired of your attacks on me. I was nice to you once and sent you a report from my Family Tree Maker but no more. As I have repeatedly said., go do your own work. Mine has been done. To the list sake, this email was .. off list.. because Craig pushed my buttons to the extreme. No more !!! I will not reply to you on list concerning this. People imcluding myself are tired of it. You always want the last word. And I think that speaks for itself also. Marianne Dillow - On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: "Culpeper List" <vaculpep-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:19 PM Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the list. Then your business might go bad. Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Denise, Are you my sister? LOL Contact me at _TEbeL2888@aol_ (mailto:TEbeL2888@aol) . I may have more information than you want. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Marianne; I've waded through the GRAVES DNA website - it really puts my 140 member BARTLETT-DNA Project to shame - what a great job they've done! I now suspect my ancestry from Capt Thomas GRAVES is also in question: CAPT Thomas GRAVES Francis Graves (was in Essex Co, VA) Francis GRAVES Jr b 1679 Old Rappahannock Co, VA; Will probated 1748 Essex Co, VA; m Anne REYNOLDS Clara GRAVES b c1720; m 1740 Aaron HIGGINBOTHAM Sr Do you recognize Francis Jr and Clara? Do you know where they fit in the GRAVES family? TIA; Jim Bartlett On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:57 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > Believe me, I have been trying to get Craig to do just that. He > doesn't cooperate. I am done with it and have been trying pretty hard > to end it.   I apologize to the list for this continuing thread that belongs one on one... off list. You have put up with th a lot. I thought it had ended a few weeks ago and then it shows up again. I am sorry you had to read and listen to this.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com <mailto:serendipity.va@gmail.com>   <mailto:serendipity.va@gmail.com> > wrote: From: Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com <mailto:serendipity.va@gmail.com>   <mailto:serendipity.va@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com <mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com>   <mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:31 PM This is on the list.  Can' t you please take it all off list. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net <mailto:persisto@earthlink.net>   <mailto:persisto@earthlink.net> > wrote: > Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a > professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't > use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you > charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the > list. Then your business might go bad. > > Marianne >      ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com <mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com>   <mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com>  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Attn> List Admin.: Please see to this matter. Thank you! ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> To: <vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) Well, there it is. It speaks for itself Craig, You are the one who keeps this up. I tried long ago to drop it but you persist. And I am tired of it. Spare this list please and if you have anything else to say .. spare them.. and email me personally. I have only responded to this because of your pursuing it. But, in saying that I am getting very tired of your attacks on me. I was nice to you once and sent you a report from my Family Tree Maker but no more. As I have repeatedly said., go do your own work. Mine has been done. To the list sake, this email was .. off list.. because Craig pushed my buttons to the extreme. No more !!! I will not reply to you on list concerning this. People imcluding myself are tired of it. You always want the last word. And I think that speaks for itself also. Marianne Dillow - On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: "Culpeper List" <vaculpep-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:19 PM Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the list. Then your business might go bad. Marianne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is on the list. Can' t you please take it all off list. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a > professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't > use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you > charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the > list. Then your business might go bad. > > Marianne > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Peace, Elizabeth and David "Peace is the skillful management of conflict." Kenneth Boulding "Peace is not the absence of conflict but the presence of creative alternatives for responding to conflict -- alternatives to passive or aggressive responses, alternatives to violence." Dorothy Thompson

Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the list. Then your business might go bad. Marianne

The lines we are talking about has nothing to do with Craig. We are not kin on those lines.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, cpzb4@aol.com <cpzb4@aol.com> wrote: From: cpzb4@aol.com <cpzb4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:50 PM If you two are related like one email said and she has all the work done and you want the proof, that sure would help you, wouldn't it?? I suggest that instead of sending to the culpeper site send the proof directly to Craig's email. FTM can do that, right?   

I was just chuckling to myself that through all the bickering Craig and Marianne are cousins through GRAVES. Has anyone found the surname of Jael GRAVES' mother, Sarah? There are very few 17th and 18th women with the given name "Jael" to whom I am not related. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Hi Jim,    I will send you the report from FTM. Kenneth Vance Graves who is over the Graves Association and knows about the Graves DNA sent me an email showing my correct Graves lineage. I have known him for years. They had said for years before DNA testing started that my line did descend from Capt. Thomas Graves but it hust happened that my John Graves (Grieves) was originally from  Northamptonshire, England and his son, John Jr who married Frances unknown came to Va and was in the same Va area and then my James Graves who marriid Sarah unknown and whose will is 1781 in Culpeper.   I will email you off list.   Marianne   --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> wrote: From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: mdillow31@verizon.net Cc: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 5:16 PM Marianne; I've waded through the GRAVES DNA website - it really puts my 140 member BARTLETT-DNA Project to shame - what a great job they've done! I now suspect my ancestry from Capt Thomas GRAVES is also in question: CAPT Thomas GRAVES Francis Graves (was in Essex Co, VA) Francis GRAVES Jr b 1679 Old Rappahannock Co, VA; Will probated 1748 Essex Co, VA; m Anne REYNOLDS Clara GRAVES b c1720; m 1740 Aaron HIGGINBOTHAM Sr Do you recognize Francis Jr and Clara? Do you know where they fit in the GRAVES family? TIA; Jim Bartlett On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at  4:57 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > Believe me, I have been trying to get Craig to do just that. He doesn't cooperate. I am done with it and have been trying pretty hard to end it.   I apologize to the list for this continuing thread that belongs one on one... off list. You have put up with th a lot. I thought it had ended a few weeks ago and then it shows up again. I am sorry you had to read and listen to this.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com > wrote: From: Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com  Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:31 PM This is on the list.  Can' t you please take it all off list. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net > wrote: > Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a > professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't > use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you > charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the > list. Then your business might go bad. > > Marianne >      ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Cynthia - Chill out girl !!!! This is Fern and I said absolutely NOTHING about your Mayflower descendants. I too have an ancestor who sat down at the first Thanksgiving dinner - He (a blacksmith named William PALMER) came over the very next summer after the Mayflower. It really makes for a great Thanksgiving story for the Grandchildren. My very best wishes to you, fern www.bufordfamilies.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Cynthia Claytonroberts To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:49 AM Subject: [VACULPEP] Mayflower on the Culpeper list? We have all sorts of definitive *proof* that the turkey folk were not the first to settle in America and that the Virginia Colony, a not particularly religious, but a speculative-investment endeaver preceeded them by a number of years. I suppose if this were an open blog, we'd be spending all our time reading demands to Prove That to 97% of the citizens of the United States of America. Personally I have other priorities, although I did inform my grown kids one Thanksgiving, and remind them when it comes up again. As far as the Obama - Conway connection goes Craig, the line I submitted (in December I believe) checks out for me. So instead of just flapping your gums ~ if you, or Fern, or anybody wants to actually spend the time Researching it, even if just to disprove it which requires at least the same amount of work; have at it, otherwise give it a rest. . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1878 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 7:56 AM

I am by no means am trying to "intinimidate" you. All I ask from anyone is to provide evidence of what they assert. You are either a descendant of William the Conquorer, or you aren't. If you say are, then PROVE IT I cannot comprehend how people take this so personally. You either have credible evidence, or you don't. If you do, then present it. If you do not have evidence, don't present it. Seems pretty simple to me. I think even Judge Judy would concur on this simple basic point. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:55 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > I refuse to be intinimidated by you.

Believe me, I have been trying to get Craig to do just that. He doesn't cooperate. I am done with it and have been trying pretty hard to end it.   I apologize to the list for this continuing thread that belongs one on one... off list. You have put up with th a lot. I thought it had ended a few weeks ago and then it shows up again. I am sorry you had to read and listen to this.   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com> wrote: From: Elizabeth Snead <serendipity.va@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:31 PM This is on the list. Can' t you please take it all off list. On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Craig Kilby persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: > Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a > professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't > use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you > charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the > list. Then your business might go bad. > > Marianne >   

I agree with the main line of this discussion. Good research means trying to prove all the assumptions about your family line or lines. But, in the end, it is difficult to prove (beyond doubt) family connections when you get back, let's say, past your great great grandparents. There are so many people with the same last names and so many wives with the same first names. Case in point: Several of us have been researching our common male line for decades. We all know each other and have shared documents for years. It would be fair to say that six of us have proven our lines back eight generations and know how we connect with each other. Along comes DNA testing and we find that five of us have been right on the money with our families. The six person, who can prove his line with documentation, has no connection to us through our common male ancestor. Family research is great fun and quite a challenge. Sometimes there is simply not enough information available to prove relationships beyond doubt. I often wonder how many researchers have an Uncle listed as a grandparent in their family tree? Lyle Corder **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)

Maybe I missed something in this discussion, but I don't recall anyone actually saying they descend from William the Conqueror, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Sure it's probably hypothetical, but what's the point of referring to it over and over? I agree that evidence is credible or it isn't, but perhaps it's not what you are saying, but HOW you are saying it. You can be rather dismissive in your tone when replying. Nothing personal, just an observation. I also observe that you like to have the last word, so go ahead. I'm not responding any further, so you automatically win that one. :) Your e-mail address says it all. -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:45 PM To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative I am by no means am trying to "intinimidate" you. All I ask from anyone is to provide evidence of what they assert. You are either a descendant of William the Conquorer, or you aren't. If you say are, then PROVE IT I cannot comprehend how people take this so personally. You either have credible evidence, or you don't. If you do, then present it. If you do not have evidence, don't present it. Seems pretty simple to me. I think even Judge Judy would concur on this simple basic point. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:55 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > I refuse to be intinimidated by you. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, there it is. It speaks for itself Craig, You are the one who keeps this up. I tried long ago to drop it but you persist. And I am tired of it. Spare this list please and if you have anything else to say .. spare them.. and email me personally.  I have only responded to this because of your pursuing it.  But, in saying that I am getting very tired of your attacks on me. I was nice to you once and sent you a report from my Family Tree Maker but no more. As I have repeatedly said., go do your own work. Mine has been done.   To the list sake, this email was .. off list.. because Craig pushed my buttons to the extreme. No more !!!  I will not reply to you on list concerning this. People imcluding myself are tired of it.  You always want the last word. And I think that speaks for itself also.   Marianne Dillow   - On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: [VACULPEP] (no subject) To: "Culpeper List" <vaculpep-l@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 3:19 PM Your not getting it bucko. I sent you one awhile back. If you are a professional genealogist go hunt it up. How do I know you wouldn't use it for a customer and claim the research was yours and then you charge a customer for it. Keep it up and I will print this to the list. Then your business might go bad. Marianne   

Thanks Charlene,   No, Craig has not told me he has a Graves line.  Isn't that weird ?  LOL !  Maybe he just got his line destroyed by DNA as well as mine did by DNA testing. Mine does not go back to Capt. Thomas Graves who helped establish parts of Va.   And my  last Graves in Culpeper is James Graves who married Sarah unknown and whose will is at the courthouse in 1781.  And yes they had a daughter named Jael which is a name I am not familiar with. I often have wondered where they got the name from.   . I descend from their daughter  Mary Graves who married Richard Parks and whose will is dated 17 Sep 1817 in Culpeper. James Graves parents are John Graves, Jr. and Frances unknown.   I also have posted besides Graves Parks, Pulliam, Holladay, Boswell in Culpeper, Orange and Spotsylv nia if anyone is interested.  Also Vivion, and Daniel, Thacker, Conway and Eltonhead, Dale and others in Lancscaster, Middlesex counties also if anyone one is interested in exchanging any info.   And you and I have the Eltonhead line. LOL !   Best Wishes, Marianne Dillow     --- On Tue, 1/6/09, TEbel2888@aol.com <TEbel2888@aol.com> wrote: From: TEbel2888@aol.com <TEbel2888@aol.com> Subject: [VACULPEP] GRAVES To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:53 PM I was just chuckling to myself that through all the bickering Craig and Marianne are cousins through GRAVES. Has anyone found the surname of Jael GRAVES' mother, Sarah? There are very few 17th and 18th women with the given name "Jael" to whom I am not related. Charlene REEDS-EBELING Genealogical Direct Lines: DAD'S SIDE: REEDS, PORTER, WEAVER(Tilman), RICHARDSON, BOWLING (Group 7), WOOD, ISRAEL, CRAIG, LAIRD, HACKLEY, BALL, CORBIN, ELTONHEAD, TAYLOE, WILLIAMSON, UNDERWOOD, KEENE, WITHERS, MAUZY, CONYERS, WITHERS, KEENE, DUNCAN (Joseph and Lydia-VA), SHIPPEY, MOTT, PIGG, BELL (Stone Church and Roger-Orange Co., Va), BEARD/BAIRD, CARTER (Giles and Theodorick line), WEBB, WADDILL, MICHAUX, CUNNINGHAM---VA --Plus WHITE, HAGERTY, FLATLEY--Green Bay MOMS SIDE: CORNWELL (NY), ANSCHICKS, BECKER, STEDMAN, REITZ, BUTZ, KNAUSS, DIEHL, PATTERMAN, THULL, MEHAN, ROMIG, CARL, SIEGFRIED **************New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)   

As a child, did any of you ever play the game of gossip? Well, Ancestry is full of it. In looking at "research" done by others on a particular line, I found pages after pages of postings where the son and his wife were listed as parents of his mother. What makes this even worse is that they have the birthdates pretty close to correct and I am still wondering how someone born in 1670 can sire someone born in 1652. I am all for seeing what other people have--you never know what little tidbit will open up for you. More often than not, it will open up when you are trying to help someone else; it just works that way. However, whatever you find, does need to be backed up. Sometimes you can only back it up with circumstantial evidence. Genealogy is a combination of being able to find the documents, knowing and understanding the meanings in that particular time frame, learning some of the history and being able to put it together logically. There will always be some holes somewhere. While one may be able to find a succession of wills in the more modern times, keep in mind that when you get to the 1600s and even 1700s none may exist. Some of these names should be familiar to you: Fleet, Dorman, Hayden; very respected names and good resources. However, I would not take anything by them as Gospel without looking for the original documentation. If ANYONE makes a statement of fact and I can't find the documentation--then it just isn't so. Stop and think---how many years have you been working seriously--25, 30 years? Isn't it interesting that a President's genealogy can be miraculously traced and accepted as fact in a matter of months. Anyone can tack the term "genealogist" after their name. It takes more than that to earn my respect and regard for their work. The point is this: This is exactly the type of discussion that belongs on this mail list or any other. If one researches correctly, he/she learns more about this country than can ever be taught. It instills pride in this country and an appreciation of what our forefathers experienced. Copying and accepting without a great deal of investigation really cheats oneself. Jean -----Original Message----- >From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> >Sent: Jan 6, 2009 11:31 AM >To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VACULPEP] Prove It > >All I ever asked or said was > >PROVE IT > >That is not being disagreeable. > >Regarding the the post about Mayflower descendancy. There are >probably about 25 million US citizens, many on this board, who have >descent from this group. And it can be proved, just as the poster >explained. And also as the poster explained, she had to document >each and every step along the way. She did. > >One does not prove an argument simply by saying "it is in a book." > >That was, is and always be my whole point. That is not being >disagreeable. > >If you are familiar with TV show "HOUSE", I am HOUSE. > >I do not suffer fools gladly, and fools by no means suffer me. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pat,   Craig wants  my report from Family Tree Maker .. "off list"... so he can use it for others. Craig knows very well I can't send attachments to this list. I have eleven  pages of records on just one grandfather let alone the rest of them. Craig can do his own work.   Thanks for your comments. :)   Marianne Dillow --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> wrote: From: Haynes, Patricia A. <phaynes@fulbright.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com, "Craig Kilby" <persisto@earthlink.net> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:51 PM Maybe I missed something in this discussion, but I don't recall anyone actually saying they descend from William the Conqueror, so I don't know why you keep bringing it up. Sure it's probably hypothetical, but what's the point of referring to it over and over? I agree that evidence is credible or it isn't, but perhaps it's not what you are saying, but HOW you are saying it. You can be rather dismissive in your tone when replying. Nothing personal, just an observation. I also observe that you like to have the last word, so go ahead. I'm not responding any further, so you automatically win that one. :) Your e-mail address says it all. -----Original Message----- From: vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaculpep-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Craig Kilby Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:45 PM To: mdillow31@verizon.net; vaculpep@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative I am by no means am trying to "intinimidate" you. All I ask from anyone is to provide evidence of what they assert. You are either a descendant of William the Conquorer, or you aren't. If you say are, then PROVE IT I cannot comprehend how people take this so personally. You either have credible evidence, or you don't. If you do, then present it. If you do not have evidence, don't present it. Seems pretty simple to me. I think even Judge Judy would concur on this simple basic point. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:55 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > I refuse to be intinimidated by you.   

Craig,  I sent you one of my reports off list on one other of my lines. I'm not sending this one to you. As Cynthia just posted the lineage to Obama and my lineage to Edwin Conway and Martha Eltonghead has been  have been proven.  Martha along with her other 4 sisters are very well documented in Virginia as well as the Conway line. Surely, if you are any kind of a genealogist in Virginia you would recognize those names.   The only reason I could even suspect you want this one is to use if for prospective customers. As far as William the Conqueror, take up your arguements with Gary Boyd Roberts and  William Addams  Reitwiesner and Douglas Richardson. This is medieval genealogy and research in the records of England. Take it up with them. You can email every one of them if you don't believe their work. I email Douglas all the time. Go and do your own work. :(   Marianne Dillow     --- On Tue, 1/6/09, Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> wrote: From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] It's all relative To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 1:45 PM I am by no means am trying to "intinimidate" you.  All I ask from anyone is to provide evidence of what they assert.  You are either a descendant of William the Conquorer, or you aren't.  If you say are, then PROVE IT I cannot comprehend how people take this so personally. You either have credible evidence, or you don't. If you do, then present it. If you do not have evidence, don't present it. Seems pretty simple to me.  I think even Judge Judy would concur on this simple basic point. On Jan 6, 2009, at 1:55 PM, marianne dillow wrote: I refuse to be intinimidated by you.

We have all sorts of definitive *proof* that the turkey folk were not the first to settle in America and that the Virginia Colony, a not particularly religious, but a speculative-investment endeaver preceeded them by a number of years. I suppose if this were an open blog, we'd be spending all our time reading demands to Prove That to 97% of the citizens of the United States of America. Personally I have other priorities, although I did inform my grown kids one Thanksgiving, and remind them when it comes up again. As far as the Obama - Conway connection goes Craig, the line I submitted (in December I believe) checks out for me. So instead of just flapping your gums ~ if you, or Fern, or anybody wants to actually spend the time Researching it, even if just to disprove it which requires at least the same amount of work; have at it, otherwise give it a rest. .