Would "Culpepper County Virginia Marriages 1781-1825, Marriages of Orange County Virginia 1747-1810 and "The Vestry Book and Register of St. Peter's Parish(1684-1786) be secondary sources if they were compiled and transcribed and published? Ex: Page 20 "Culpepper County Virginia Marriages 1781-1825 published by Researchers of Indianapolis Wilhoite, Reynolds Lucy Towles 1815 Would copies of the real deeds be primary sources and accepted by genealogist and organizations?

I sent a link from the Star-Exponent site for the first of the four articles in the series last week but it won't work this week! Anyway, here is a link to the story 9this week's article focuses on education): http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/opportunity_for_all/29763/ Kathleen Bowen Simons Falls Church, Virginia IMAGE - a No. VA Christian church whose mission is simple: Worship. Community. Service. www.thisisimage.com (click on the Audio icon to hear Pastor Chris' messages!) Listen to a beautiful song, "Feel the Ocean Calling," by Roderick C. Simons: http://www.myspace.com/roderickcsimons

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gdthang Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/547.552/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have located the grave of Henry Strother Gaines in Cherokee County, GA. A link can be found at www.findagrave.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gdthang Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/547.551/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Henry Strother Gaines mother was Elizabeth Warren (d 1858), buried at Hopewell Baptist Church, Rabun County, GA. His father was Humphrey Gaines. Humphrey's father was Henry Gaines of Ware Shoals, SC. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Clifton Farm�s story touches on black history and our colonial beginnings http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/a_sense_of_america/29011/

Old farm listed in National Register of Historic Places has been in Crigler family since 1845 http://www.starexponent.com/cse/news/local/article/farming_is_life/28968/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kjohnston158 Surnames: JOHNSON McKENZIE Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4562/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Need help finding this family. JAMES JOHNSON married SARAH McKENZIE/Mackenzie 27 AUGUST 1803 in FAUQUIER COUNTY VIRGINIA. Did James & Sarah stay in Fauquier, or move to another Virginia County, or move to Kentucky, or Tenn. or where !!! I have NOT been able to find them any where after their above wedding date. Would appreciate "any" help !!! SARAH'S FATHER "MIGHT" have been JAMES McKENZIE but I am NOT 100% sure of that either. Thanks for any suggestions !! Keith Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bwemanuel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4561/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm trying to find what records are available for Baptist churches in Culpeper county and the surrounding starting in the late 1770s and continuing through 1850... If you have done church research and are willing to share contact info, or if you know of any publications with matching church records (other than those filmed at the FHL), please let me know! Thanks, Bart Emanuel Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bcaddell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4560/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know the George Shotwell listed below? Thanks. Bill Caddell In Deed Book B, page 655, St. Clair County, AL the following was recorded: "John CADDEL to George Shotwell, December 16, 1839 for the sum of $250.00 in hand paid to John CADDEL for...the west ½ of the northwest 1/4 of Section 18, Township 14, Range 3 east, Huntsville District, state of Alabama...containing 80.50 acres. Witnessed: Samuel Dean Jr., Thomas S. Morris. (signed) John CADDEL. A follow-up record on the above land transaction reads: "Mary CADDEL, wife of John CADDEL relinquishes her rights of dowry to the above conveyed land. Signed (X) Mary CADDEL...Shadrack Morris, J. P." Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Bart, I have a small booklet (with lots of information) ,written some time ago by Paul Thompson, on the F.T. Baptist Church. Is there some info I might share with you from that publication? Roy Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 14, 2009 1:22 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Baptist Churches in Culpeper and surrounding area This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bwemanuel Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4561/mb.ashx<http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4561/mb.ashx> Message Board Post: I'm trying to find what records are available for Baptist churches in Culpeper county and the surrounding starting in the late 1770s and continuing through 1850... If you have done church research and are willing to share contact info, or if you know of any publications with matching church records (other than those filmed at the FHL), please let me know! Thanks, Bart Emanuel Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: julian3006 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/494.511.521.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you have proof that Amillia is Robert V.'s daughter? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

History of St. George's Parish, Spotsylvania CO, VA? online. http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=eUkUAAAAYAAJ&dq=st.+george's+parish,+virginia&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=b19vQC2GpI&sig=zgBlI6aqr3SSrlALyB6-TW5eNgQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result#PPA1,M1

There is a Pamunkey River that joins up with the Mattaponi River in southern Maryland. There is also a Panunkey Basin. Altho no part of southern Maryland is connected to Virginia. Up in the Northern neck you can cross from Maryland to Virginia or vice versa.

Marianne, I wonder if the "Pamusky" river you have listed might be a misspelling of the "Pamunky" river? If it is, then you may find info in Caroline and/or Hanover Counties. The Pamunkey headwaters begin and flow through those counties on its trip to become the York River. >This is what I posted today to other mailing lists. I am trying to find these deeds but Spotsylvania wasn't >formed until 1720 so the 1711 deed is in another county I guess. But the 1724 deed for Elizabeth should be in >Spotsylvania. A deed of 1729 is the first I have found in that county. Here it is : >Would anyone know where I could find this deed ? John Holladay received 400 acres of land. He moved from >lower Virginia on Pamusky River to Spotsylvania County ten miles above N. Wales in 1711. His wife, Elizabeth >received 400 acres in 1724 in St. George's Parish. I am hoping this might identify Elizabeth. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow<mailto:mdillow31@verizon.net> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: January 10, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Holladay Hi June, Thank you. I have this already but there is no proof to Elizabeth Brocus. I do see the Ann Elizabeth Lewis. This is what I posted today to other mailing lists. I am trying to find these deeds but Spotsylvania wasn't formed until 1720 so the 1711 deed is in another county I guess. But the 1724 deed for Elizabeth should be in Spotsylvania. A deed of 1729 is the first I have found in that county. Here it is : Would anyone know where I could find this deed ? John Holladay received 400 acres of land. He moved from lower Virginia on Pamusky River to Spotsylvania County ten miles above N. Wales in 1711. His wife, Elizabeth received 400 acres in 1724 in St. George's Parish. I am hoping this might identify Elizabeth. The earliest land grant I have found is dated 1 Sep 1729: James Taylor of Drysdale Par., Caroline County, to John Holloday of St. George's Parish, 36 curr., 260 acres on the E. side East North East River, part of a pat. granted sd Taylor 21 Jul 1722 in St. George's Parish, Spts. Co. Rec. 1 Apr 1729 Book A in Spotsylvania County.. Also....John Marshall Holladay's son Joseph married Elizabeth " Betty" Lewis daughter of Harry Lewis. Joseph Holladay had a son Lewis who married Elizabeth (Lewis) Littlepage , widow of Col. James Littlepage. She was a daughter of Zachary Lewis and Mary Waller Lewis according to Hayden. Their son Waller Holladay married Huldah Fontaine Lewis. She is the daughter of Col. Zachary and Ann Overton (Terrill) Lewis. They lived at Prospect Hill in Spotsylvania Co., Va. Marianne Dillow

Patterson  Pulliam is a brother to my Thomas Pulliam whose will is in Spotsylvania County dated 1758.   Deed Book D 1742-1751 Spotsylvania County, Va :   2 Oct 1744 Henry Lewis of Spots. Co. and Martha his wife to Patterson Pulliam of same county planter 400 acres at head of River Ta. in St. George's Parish Spots. Co. granted Daniel Brown by pat 24 Feb 1730 Wit: John Holladay and William Hughes.   Marianne Dillow

I am not related to this family but have a FTM record on John Marshall Holladay, Sr.? John Marshall Holladay Sr born 1676 England married about 1700 died November 4, 1742 in Spots. Co., Virginia. Will dated November 4, probate Dec. 7, 1742. His father was Thomas Holladay and mother Elizabeth Seville. John Marshall Holladay, Sr married Elizabeth Brochs. She was born about 1678? in King Williams Co., VA John Marshall Holladay Sr and Elizabeth Brochs had 9 children: Children born in King Williams Co, VA 1. Elizabeth Holladay married Patterson Pulliam Sr son of William Pulliam Jr & Ann Patterson 2. Wm. H. Holladay born about 1705, died May 16, 1769, married Judith [Judy] abt 1735 3. Jophn Marshall Holladay, Jr born 1708 died April 11, 1781 married 1. Tabitha Collins and 2.Elizabeth Rawlings 4. Daniel Holladay born 1712? died 9/30/1784 in Craven, SC? married abt. 1749 to Agness Matthews 5. Winifred Holladay born 1714, married 1735 to Thomas Pulliam Sr. in Spots. Co., VA NOW....this is where Ann Elizabeth [Betty] Lewis comes in on this record: 6. Joseph Holladay born 1718 died: 7/24/1795 married abt. 1747 to Ann Elizabeth [Betty] Lewis 7. Benjamin Holladay born 1720? died abt. 3/21/1785 married twice: 1. Fanny Susanna Johnson ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 2. Susannah Hickman 1/29/1743/44 8. Sarah Holladay born 1724? died 2/15/1788 in Caroline Co., VA married 10/04/1738 to James Rawlings 9. Susannah Holladay born 1728? died 10/12/1795 in Caroline Co., VA This FTM goes back as far as John Halyday born abt. 1400 in Hampton Manor, Somersetshire, England. ================================================================================ I also found another document stating in John Marshall Holladay Sr.'s will his plantation on East N.E. Creek in the S.W. part of Spots. Co, VA on which he lieved, died and was buried as that on which his great grandson Lewis Holladay lived died and was buried as was his great grandson Lewis Holladay lived died and was buried? and so was Waller his great grandson was born and reared. The site of the dwelling and the graves of John and his wife Elizabeth is several hundred yards from the residence of Lewis H. and of his great grandson Dr. Lewis L.H. before he removed to Orange Co. The latter was called Bellefonte from a fine spring near the dwelling house. Have more but to long for the Culp Co site June ?

John Marshall Holladay... I descend from his daughter Winnifred who married Thomas Pulliam who was in Spotsylvania.   Thomas Pulliam who died in 1758 in Spotsylvania Co., VA. His will was probated in 1758. The reference is Will Book B, pp.369, 370, 372, 388 and 397. Will of Thomas Pulliam, p. 17. "St. George Parish, died April 17th, 1758, proved June 6th, 1758. Witness Joseph Holloday and Benjamin Holoday. Ex. sons, James and Thomas Pulliam. Leg. sons, James, Thomas and Benjamin, daughters, Winifred, Susanna, Elizabeth, Agnes, Mary, Anna, wife of David Sandridge, Sarah, wife of Christopher Dickin   Marianne Dillow    

Thanks but mine are in Virginia. The problem is where that 1711 deed is on John Marshall Holladay. :)  I have two lines in MD but just about all of my Mother's lines were from the British Isles to Virginia.    Marianne Dillow --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> wrote: From: Marge <msealock@mchsi.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Holladay To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 9:52 PM There is a Pamunkey River that joins up with the Mattaponi River in southern Maryland. There is also a Panunkey Basin. Altho no part of southern Maryland is connected to Virginia. Up in the Northern neck you can cross from Maryland to Virginia or vice versa.

Thanks Roy,    I think it might be Pamunkey too. I didn't know where it was located back at that time. I haven't studied the land in those early counties.   I appreciate your answer. :)   Marianne Dillow --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> wrote: From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Holladay To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:22 PM Marianne,   I wonder if the "Pamusky" river you have listed might be a misspelling of the "Pamunky" river?  If it is, then you may find info in Caroline and/or Hanover Counties.  The Pamunkey headwaters begin and flow through those counties on its trip to become the York River.        >This is what I posted today to other mailing lists. I am trying to find these deeds but Spotsylvania wasn't >formed until 1720 so the 1711 deed is in another county I guess. But the 1724 deed for Elizabeth should be in >Spotsylvania. A deed of 1729 is the first I have found in that county. Here it is : >Would anyone know where I could find this deed ? John Holladay received 400 acres of land. He moved from >lower Virginia on Pamusky River to Spotsylvania County ten miles above N. Wales in 1711. His wife, Elizabeth >received 400 acres in 1724 in St. George's Parish. I am hoping this might identify Elizabeth.     Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: marianne dillow To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: January 10, 2009 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Holladay Hi June, Thank you. I have this already but there is no proof to Elizabeth Brocus. I do see the Ann Elizabeth Lewis. This is what I posted today to other mailing lists. I am trying to find these deeds but Spotsylvania wasn't formed until 1720 so the 1711 deed is in another county I guess. But the 1724 deed for Elizabeth should be in Spotsylvania. A deed of 1729 is the first I have found in that county. Here it is : Would anyone know where I could find this deed ? John Holladay received 400 acres of land. He moved from lower Virginia on Pamusky River to Spotsylvania County ten miles above N. Wales in 1711. His wife, Elizabeth received 400 acres in 1724 in St. George's Parish. I am hoping this might identify Elizabeth. The earliest land grant I have found is dated 1 Sep 1729: James Taylor of Drysdale Par., Caroline County, to John Holloday of St. George's Parish, 36 curr., 260 acres on the E. side East North East River, part of a pat. granted sd Taylor 21 Jul 1722 in St. George's Parish, Spts. Co. Rec. 1 Apr 1729 Book A in Spotsylvania County.. Also....John Marshall Holladay's son Joseph married Elizabeth " Betty" Lewis daughter of Harry Lewis. Joseph Holladay had a son Lewis who married Elizabeth (Lewis) Littlepage , widow of Col. James Littlepage. She was a daughter of Zachary Lewis and Mary Waller Lewis according to Hayden. Their son Waller Holladay married Huldah Fontaine Lewis. She is the daughter of Col. Zachary and Ann Overton (Terrill) Lewis. They lived at Prospect Hill in Spotsylvania Co., Va. Marianne Dillow

Thanks again Joan. I also have this too. Quite a few years ago I saw a book on the Holladays of my line going all the way back to England to Walter the Minstrel. But the generations seem to be in question. It was a large family book written on the Holaday's. It may have been written by Alvis Milton Hollladay but there are inconsistencies with other researchers who have followed his work.   I guess the 1724 deed would be in Spotsylvania but it is a question on the land description on the 1711 deed which one of the three counties it might be in, King William, Essex or King & Queen. I haven't studied those counties yet.   Thanks for helping me out. I appreciate it. :)   Marianne Dillow   --- On Sat, 1/10/09, cpzb4@aol.com <cpzb4@aol.com> wrote: From: cpzb4@aol.com <cpzb4@aol.com> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Holladay To: mdillow31@verizon.net, vaculpep@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 8:17 PM This is the other document that I found. You may have seen this one as well.  I wish you luck on your search. Since the document mentioned King Williams Co  that might be a place to start because Spotsylvania Co was formed from Essex, King WIlliams and King and Queen Counties in 1720.  See attachment above June Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations FREE while you browse.Start Listening Now!