Thank you. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Green" <gengreen17@msn.com> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Culpeper courthouse > the town of Culpeper started out named Fairfax, but is not near the county > of Fairfax. Fauquier and Prince William counties lie between the two. > Madison county was formed out of Culpeper county in 1792. Culpeper was > formed in 1749 from Orange county, which was formed from Spotsylvania in > 1734, which came out of Essex, King William and King and Queen counties in > 1720. There are more parent counties from which these were created. In doing > Virginia genealogy, we must be aware of the changes in county boundaries. As > the population grew, courts were established where the people were, as they > demanded easier trips . The journey from my home in Rappahannock county to > Spotsylvania courthouse takes about 1 and 1/2 hours by car today. It's over > 60 miles. So a trip there on horseback in the 1700s would not have been an > easy undertaking. > > Carolyn > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Apparently the early Culpeper Co. Court House was located in what became Madison Co., VA in 1794. This required Culpeper Co., VA to establish a new Court House. Was the new Culpeper Co. Court House located in the town of Culpeper where it is now found? I have a reference to the birth place of Nathan HUFFMAN, son of Benjamin (Tillman, Henry of Little Fork), in 1801 as "near Culpeper Court House." This would be after Madison Co. was formed in 1794. Nathan and his siblings left VA for KY with their parents, Benjamin and wife (unknown), in about 1806. They are found in KY in USC 1810. There is a FREEMAN-HUFFMAN House still standing about 4 miles west of the town of Culpeper. Since Tillman HUFFMAN married 1794 Margaret (Williams) FREEMAN and died c1826 this house may have been the HUFFMAN residence in question. I would like to firm up Nathan's place of birth. Best regards, Hugh

As a Followup, Culpeper Courthouse was called Fairfax in 1770 I believe. > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas S. Fiske [mailto:evitom@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:06 PM > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and > Madison Co., VA > > > Dear Listers, > > Hugh's email is indeed interesting. My ancestor was born at Culpeper > Courthouse, VA on April 09, 1770. Does this mean I should be looking for > records of her family in Madison Co., VA? > > Tom > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HFTHusma@aol.com> > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:46 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and Madison > Co., VA > > > > Apparently the early Culpeper Co. Court House was located in what became > > Madison Co., VA in 1794. This required Culpeper Co., VA to establish a > new Court > > House. Was the new Culpeper Co. Court House located in the town of > Culpeper > > where it is now found? > > > > I have a reference to the birth place of Nathan HUFFMAN, son of Benjamin > > (Tillman, Henry of Little Fork), in 1801 as "near Culpeper Court House." > This > > would be after Madison Co. was formed in 1794. Nathan and his siblings > left VA > > for KY with their parents, Benjamin and wife (unknown), in about 1806. > They > > are found in KY in USC 1810. > > > > There is a FREEMAN-HUFFMAN House still standing about 4 miles > west of the > > town of Culpeper. Since Tillman HUFFMAN married 1794 Margaret > (Williams) > FREEMAN > > and died c1826 this house may have been the HUFFMAN residence > in question. > > > > I would like to firm up Nathan's place of birth. > > > > Best regards, > > Hugh > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing > list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list > to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I have several ancestors / families who went from Culpeper to Madison without moving. By all means, take County boundry changes into consideration > -----Original Message----- > From: Thomas S. Fiske [mailto:evitom@adelphia.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:06 PM > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and > Madison Co., VA > > > Dear Listers, > > Hugh's email is indeed interesting. My ancestor was born at Culpeper > Courthouse, VA on April 09, 1770. Does this mean I should be looking for > records of her family in Madison Co., VA? > > Tom > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <HFTHusma@aol.com> > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:46 PM > Subject: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and Madison > Co., VA > > > > Apparently the early Culpeper Co. Court House was located in what became > > Madison Co., VA in 1794. This required Culpeper Co., VA to establish a > new Court > > House. Was the new Culpeper Co. Court House located in the town of > Culpeper > > where it is now found? > > > > I have a reference to the birth place of Nathan HUFFMAN, son of Benjamin > > (Tillman, Henry of Little Fork), in 1801 as "near Culpeper Court House." > This > > would be after Madison Co. was formed in 1794. Nathan and his siblings > left VA > > for KY with their parents, Benjamin and wife (unknown), in about 1806. > They > > are found in KY in USC 1810. > > > > There is a FREEMAN-HUFFMAN House still standing about 4 miles > west of the > > town of Culpeper. Since Tillman HUFFMAN married 1794 Margaret > (Williams) > FREEMAN > > and died c1826 this house may have been the HUFFMAN residence > in question. > > > > I would like to firm up Nathan's place of birth. > > > > Best regards, > > Hugh > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing > list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list > to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear JSH, The thot plickens! The husband of my ancestor was raised in Fairfax Co., VA. He was born in 1761 in Fairfax while she was born in 1770 in Culpeper Courthouse, VA. Were they neighbors? Were both places the same or next to each other? They married in Bryan's station, KY, June 20, 1787. They carved out a farm in Scott Co., KY near Lexington. She was a Drake and a Bruce. He was a Vallandingham, and where the Nordstorm Store at Tyson's corners is today is where old maps show the family plantation was. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Southard Hogg" <johnhogg@att.net> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 3:31 PM Subject: RE: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and Madison Co., VA > As a Followup, Culpeper Courthouse was called Fairfax in 1770 I believe. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Thomas S. Fiske [mailto:evitom@adelphia.net] > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 5:06 PM > > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and > > Madison Co., VA > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > > Hugh's email is indeed interesting. My ancestor was born at Culpeper > > Courthouse, VA on April 09, 1770. Does this mean I should be looking for > > records of her family in Madison Co., VA? > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <HFTHusma@aol.com> > > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:46 PM > > Subject: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and Madison > > Co., VA > > > > > > > Apparently the early Culpeper Co. Court House was located in what became > > > Madison Co., VA in 1794. This required Culpeper Co., VA to establish a > > new Court > > > House. Was the new Culpeper Co. Court House located in the town of > > Culpeper > > > where it is now found? > > > > > > I have a reference to the birth place of Nathan HUFFMAN, son of Benjamin > > > (Tillman, Henry of Little Fork), in 1801 as "near Culpeper Court House." > > This > > > would be after Madison Co. was formed in 1794. Nathan and his siblings > > left VA > > > for KY with their parents, Benjamin and wife (unknown), in about 1806. > > They > > > are found in KY in USC 1810. > > > > > > There is a FREEMAN-HUFFMAN House still standing about 4 miles > > west of the > > > town of Culpeper. Since Tillman HUFFMAN married 1794 Margaret > > (Williams) > > FREEMAN > > > and died c1826 this house may have been the HUFFMAN residence > > in question. > > > > > > I would like to firm up Nathan's place of birth. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Hugh > > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > > messages, > > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > > grounds for > > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > > genealogy records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing > > list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > > VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list > > to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Listers, Hugh's email is indeed interesting. My ancestor was born at Culpeper Courthouse, VA on April 09, 1770. Does this mean I should be looking for records of her family in Madison Co., VA? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: <HFTHusma@aol.com> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:46 PM Subject: [VACULPEP] Location of Court Houses of Culpeper Co. and Madison Co., VA > Apparently the early Culpeper Co. Court House was located in what became > Madison Co., VA in 1794. This required Culpeper Co., VA to establish a new Court > House. Was the new Culpeper Co. Court House located in the town of Culpeper > where it is now found? > > I have a reference to the birth place of Nathan HUFFMAN, son of Benjamin > (Tillman, Henry of Little Fork), in 1801 as "near Culpeper Court House." This > would be after Madison Co. was formed in 1794. Nathan and his siblings left VA > for KY with their parents, Benjamin and wife (unknown), in about 1806. They > are found in KY in USC 1810. > > There is a FREEMAN-HUFFMAN House still standing about 4 miles west of the > town of Culpeper. Since Tillman HUFFMAN married 1794 Margaret (Williams) FREEMAN > and died c1826 this house may have been the HUFFMAN residence in question. > > I would like to firm up Nathan's place of birth. > > Best regards, > Hugh > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I no more than sent my last message when the digest arrived! I will have to do some digging, but I *know* I have Ruth PINER in my files somewhere because I was wondering if she might be a sister or other relation to my Susanna(h). Diana -- TheCalmOne@kconline.com **************************** One day I shall burst my buds of calm and *blossom* into full hysteria **************************** http://members.tripod.com/~TheCalmOne/ Craig Schenk said: > I think one piece of information which may help sort out the Thomas Piner > mess > would be if anyone here has a copy of a will which was probated in > Culpeper on > 18 Aug 1777... though his name was spelled Pinor on this apparantly. > >>From what I've pieced together, this Thomas Piner was father of a younger > Thomas, as well as children Elizabeth, John and Ruth. His wife may have > been > named Margaret Walker. I believe that the younger Thomas is the one who > married Elizabeth Swindle(r). > > Does anyone have a copy of this will? I've only heard of it, I haven't > seen > its actual wording. It seems like it would be revealing of his family > though. > > ______________________________

Craig, >Thomas Piner (from Culpeper)was the son of an indentured servant (probably >English) who was living in Culpeper at least as of 1764. What is your source for this information? I'd like to look it up and see if I can use it as a starting place to see if there is a connection between your Thomas (and his father) to my Susanna(h) PINER. Thanks! :) Diana -- TheCalmOne@kconline.com **************************** One day I shall burst my buds of calm and *blossom* into full hysteria **************************** http://members.tripod.com/~TheCalmOne/ Craig Schenk said: > Herein lies the mystery... > > Ive seen this, as well as near identical genealogies which show that > Thomas > Piner's wife was not Elizabeth Swindler daugher of John Swindler of this > line > but rather Elizabeth Swindler daughter of Germanna colonist Hannah Weaver > and > John Swindle (half English colonial, half Germanna colonial). > > Thomas Piner lived and married in Culpeper. John and Hannah and their > daughter > Elizabeth Swindle also lived in Culpeper. John Swindler and his daughter > Elizabeth lived in Fairfax... not TOO far (a little over an hour by car > today, > so, a few days ride by horse). The Swindlers did move from Fairfax, Ohio, > Rappahanock, and even Culpeper, so it is possible. > > Given how often names were spelled variantly, and given that secondary > sources indicating it was E. Swindle of Culpeper far outnumber the sources > indicating E. Swinder of Fairfax... I kind of wonder if she may be the > proper > one. > > Also, there is no record of the Germanna Elizabeth Swindle ever marrying. > There's lots of documentation on the other Swindle kids marrying off, but > Elizabeth sort of drops off the map in the Germanna records I've seen. The > dates are pretty well matched too. Thomas Piner lived 1773-1829. Elizabeth > Swindle lived 1774 to an unknown date. Thomas and Elizabeth married 22 Dec > 1791. > > Also, consider that the family moved westward to Kentucky, and I've turned > up > the following... They had Children: Presley, about 1794; Richardson Owen, > 1806; John Evans, 1809; Margaret M., unknown; James G., unknown; William > C., > unknown; Thomas A., unknown. 1820 census shows a Thomas Piner in Boone > County, > KY, as head of a household with 3 males under 10, 1 male 10-15, 1 male > 16-18, > 2 males 18-25, 1 male 45+, 2 females 45+, and one male slave under 14 > years > old. It also indicates that 4 males in the home were in the agriculture > business. The 1830 census no longer has Thomas Piner, but has an Elizabeth > Piner who was probably his widow (note the similar family make-up: 3 males > under 5, 2 males 5-10, 1 male 10-15, 2 females 20-30, 1 female 50-60, 1 > female > 80-90, 1 males slave 24-36; 1 person deaf & dumb over age 25). Related > Germanna families ended up in the same area of Boone KY and show up on the > same census pages. > > The genealogy below doesnt match. It lists Thomas Piner as being born > 1771, > but dying in 1811. It lists Elizabeth Swindler as 1771-1808. This would > have > Elizabeth dead a year before her 3rd son's birth. I can think of a few > possibilities... > > 1) The Thomas Piner I descend from married Elizabeth Swindle, daughter of > Hannah Weaver and John Swindle, and the court record just added an R to > her > name. The Elizabeth Swindler in the genealogy either married a different > Thomas Piner or else the genealogies just somehow got confused by the > single > marriage record I've heard of, which indicates a Thomas Piner and > Elizabeth > Swindler (with R) marrying on 22 Dec. 1791 in Culpeper. This is my > preferred > theory at the moment > > 2) The genealogy below is correct and Thomas Piner married Elizabeth > Swindler > (who at some point moved from Fairfax to Culpeper - seems some of her > family > did, so that's not absurd), but the death dates given are wrong or else > the > census data indicating a longer life and my records of more children are > wrong. I'd need to find more information to see if this couple had > children > and could be my ancestors > > 3) The Thomas Piner and Elizabeth Swindler in the genealogy below are two > different people who were born with similar names around the similar time > and > ended up marrying at some point, making for a two very similar couples in > one > town... somewhat odd. > > A few other interpretations as well, of course. > > I think the key here is to find out more about the Elizabeth Swindle from > Culpeper and the Elizabeth Swindler from Fairfax. Thomas Piner (from > Culpeper) > was the son of an indentured servant (probably English) who was living in > Culpeper at least as of 1764. Thomas was born 1773. Elizabeth Swindle > descended > from a long line of Swindle, Swindell, etc ancestors who were indentured > servants in Jamestown who migrated towards the Culpeper frontier and > married > into at least 2 Germanna families (the Crees/Greys and Weavers/Webers). > The > Elizabeth Swindler below was daughter of a John Swindler (doesnt help the > confusion much that both Elizabeths had fathers named John). Elizabeth was > born in the pretty old and ritzy town of Fairfax, a far cry from the > frontier > farmland of Culpeper. John Swindler came from New Jersey, and I don't know > anything much else about him. It seems to me like the Fairfax Swinders > could be > from somewhat higher social classes than the frontier farmers the Swindles > and > Piners... which may not have had an impact on which of the two Thomas was > more > likely to have met and married. Hard to say without finding out more on > all > three (four?) individials. > > Fortunately I am in driving distance of Fairfax and Culpeper. Anyone know > how > I might go about looking for old records in these areas? > > > > > On 16-Jul-2003 RRG410@aol.com wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I previously posted information that my husband's line (GAUNT/CORBIN) >> shows >> a >> SWINDLER/PINER connection. >> >> Here's the information that I have: >> >> Descendants of Henry Swindler >> >> 1 Henry Swindler >> .. +Mary Clayton >> ....... 2 John Swindler 1747 - 1803 b: Abt. 1747 in Cranbury, NJ >> d: Abt. 1803 in Culpeper Co, VA >> ........... +Chloe Turley 1747 - 1804 b: Abt. 1747 in Fairfax Co., >> Virginia m: Abt. 1768 in Frederick Co., VA d: Aft. >> 1804 in >> Culpeper Co, VA >> ................ 3 [2] Henry Boston Swindler 1769 - 1850 b: >> October >> 22, 1769 in Fairfax Co., Virginia d: Bef. April 27, >> 1850 in >> Rappahannock Co., VA >> .................... +Ellen Gaunt 1795 - 1877 b: 1795 in >> Culpeper >> Co., VA Father: Andrew Gaunt Mother: Catherine Corbin >> d: >> 1877 in Rappahannock Co., VA >> .......................... 4 Eliza C. Swindler 1829 - b: Abt. 1829 >> in >> Rappahannock Co., VA >> .............................. +Horace N. Compton 1824 - b: Abt. >> 1824 >> in Virginia m: November 16, 1854 in Rappahannock Co., VA >> >> .......................... 4 Albert Clayton Swindler 1831 - 1899 b: >> September 04, 1831 in Rappahannock Co., VA aka: A. C. >> Swindler d: >> 1899 in Rappahannock Co., VA aka: A. C. Swindler >> .............................. +Margaret Ann Burke 1832 - b: Bet. >> 1832 >> - 1834 in Virginia m: November 25, 1858 in Rappahannock Co., VA >> >> .......................... 4 Aylette Elliott Swindler 1833 - 1894 >> b: >> August 26, 1833 in Rappahannock Co., VA aka: Elliott >> d: >> September 29, 1894 in Rappahannock Co., VA aka: Elliott >> .............................. +Mary A. Hamrick 1838 - 1915 b: >> November 30, 1838 in Virginia m: February 13, 1855 in Rappahannock Co., >> VA >> aka: Hambrick d: November 27, 1915 in Rappahannock Co., VA aka: >> Hambrick >> .......................... 4 Mary Ann Swindler 1835 - b: 1835 in >> Rappahannock Co., VA >> .............................. +Major Dillard Racer 1830 - b: >> Abt. >> 1830 m: September 14, 1854 in Rappahannock Co., VA Father: John >> Racer >> Mother: Martha Patsey Sims >> .......................... 4 [1] James William Swindler 1827 - 1905 >> b: >> April 14, 1827 in Culpeper Co, VA aka: Swinler d: >> February >> 23, 1905 in Greene Co., Ohio aka: Swinler >> .............................. +Lucy Catherine Johnson 1826 - 1882 >> b: >> Abt. 1826 in Rappahannock Co., VA m: June 19, 1845 in Rappahannock Co., >> VA >> d: July 08, 1882 in Greene Co., Ohio >> .......................... *2nd Wife of [1] James William Swindler: >> >> .............................. +Sarah Anne Shane 1850 - 1892 b: >> Abt. >> 1850 in Greene Co., Ohio m: Abt. 1883 in Greene Co., Ohio >> d: August 06, 1892 in Greene Co., Ohio >> .......................... 4 Sarah Elizabeth Swindler 1836 - 1853 >> b: >> September 29, 1836 in Rappahannock Co., VA d: August >> 23, >> 1853 in Rappahannock Co., VA >> ................ *2nd Wife of [2] Henry Boston Swindler: >> >> .................... +Peggy Boston m: October 26, 1796 >> in >> Culpeper Co., VA >> .......................... 4 Ruben Swindler >> >> .......................... 4 Henry Swindler >> >> .......................... 4 Lucy Swindler >> >> .............................. +Matthews >> >> .......................... 4 Henritta x Swindler >> >> .............................. +Benjamin x Peyton m: March >> 16, >> 1815 >> .......................... 4 Chloe Swindler 1812 - b: Abt. 1812 in >> Virginia >> .......................... 4 Ellen Swindler - 1850 >> d: Bef. 1850 >> .............................. +Henry S. Menefee 1803 - b: Abt. >> 1803 >> in Virginia Father: Henry Menefee >> .......................... 4 Maria Swindler >> >> .............................. +Martin Porter >> >> ................ 3 Chloe Swindler 1771 - b: Abt. 1771 in Fairfax >> Co., >> Virginia >> .................... +Elias Campbell m: March 10, 1796 in >> Culpeper Co., VA >> .......................... 4 Cassey Campbell 1813 - b: Abt. 1813 in >> Madison Co., VA >> .............................. +George Campbell >> >> ................ 3 Elizabeth Swindler 1771 - 1808 b: Abt. 1771 in >> Fairfax Co., Virginia d: 1808 >> .................... +Thomas Piner 1777 - 1811 b: 1777 >> d: 1811 >> ................ 3 Anne Swindler 1773 - b: Abt. 1773 in Fairfax >> Co., >> Virginia >> .................... +John Barger 1772 - b: Abt. 1772 in >> Culpeper >> Co, VA m: August 03, 1793 in Culpeper Co., VA >> ................ 3 John Swindler 1776 - b: Abt. 1776 in >> Botetourt >> Co., VA >> .................... +Rachael Fryer 1776 - 1832 b: 1776 >> d: 1832 >> ................ 3 Jesse Swindler 1782 - b: Abt. 1782 in Culpeper >> Co, >> VA >> .................... +Ammy Lewis >> ................ 3 [3] James T. Swindler 1786 - 1848 b: February >> 10, >> 1786 in Culpeper Co, VA d: 1848 >> .................... +Caty M. Estey 1787 - 1849 b: 1787 >> d: 1849 >> ................ *2nd Wife of [3] James T. Swindler: >> >> .................... +Eliza C. Vincent 1786 - 1802 b: 1786 >> d: 1802 >> ................ *3rd Wife of [3] James T. Swindler: >> >> .................... +Lucy J. Mathews 1786 - 1802 b: 1786 >> d: 1802 >> ................ 3 Clayton T. Swindler 1792 - 1823 b: Abt. 1792 in >> Culpeper Co, VA d: 1823 >> .................... +Sarah Ann Bryant 1786 - 1822 b: 1786 >> d: 1822 >> ................ 3 Henritta Swindler 1790 - 1820 b: 1790 >> d: 1820 >> .................... +Benjamin Peyton 1768 - 1820 b: 1768 m: >> 1815 >> in Culpeper Co., VA d: 1820 >> ....... 2 Henry Swindler >> ....... 2 Samuel Swindler >> ....... 2 Elisha Swindler >> ....... 2 Joseph Swindler >> ....... 2 Mary Swindler >> ....... 2 David Swindler >> ....... 2 Jonathan Swindler >> >> Sources: >> >> Henry Swindler/Mary Clayton; >> >> Probate: 21 DEC 1792 Loudoun Co. VA, Will Books D&E, pp.334-5 pp.38-9 >> >> Rev. Frank R. Symmes, compiler, History of Old Tennent Church, >> 2nd ed. (Cranbury, N.j..: George W. Burroughs, Printer, 1904), pp. >> 178-181, lists subscribers. Located Monmouth County Historical Society >> Library, Freehold, NJ. Author. (information given to me by another >> Swindler >> Researcher, James Wichman) >> >> Henry Boston Swindler; >> >> Allied Families of Read, Corbin, Luttrell, and Bywaters pg 132 >> date of birth >> >> DEEDS - Rappahannock County, Virginia >> >> WILL INDEX - Rappahannock County, Virginia >> Henry Boston Swindler - appraised 27 Apr 1850 Book C, pp 99, 132, 271 >> >> Rappahannock County Historical Society >>#406 Chancery: Menefee vs Swindler 1850-1877 >> Henry S. Menefee & wife Ellen >> Henry Swindler d. early 1850 interstate, 2 tracts of land, 180 >> acres & >> 6 3/4 acres, Considerable personal estate to pay debts. >> widow Ellen (second wife) >> Children: James W., Albert G., Elliot (Aylette), Eliza, Mary, >> Elizabeth, all under 21 years of age. >> >> Children by first wife: Ruben - Putnam Co. Va., Henry Jr.- not in >> Va., >> Lucy Matthew's widow, Henrietta wife of Benjamin Peyton, Chloe, Ellen >> wife >> of >> Henry S. Menefee >> >> Children of dec'd. dau Maria who m. Martin Porter, also dead: >> Thomas >> Porter, William Porter, Missouri Porter, Martinette Porter. >> >> Admin. James W. Swindler >> each heir entitled to 1/13 - impossible to divide land, asks >> immediate >> assignment of dower to widow, then sale of remainder & division of >> proceeds. >> >> Ellen Swindler/Thomas Piner; >> >> ID: I0652 >> Name: Elizabeth Swindler >> Sex: F >> Birth: ABT. 1771 in Fairfax Co. VA >> Reference Number: 129 >> Note: >> Reference "Genealogical and Historical Notes on Culpeper County, VA. >> Embracing a Revised and Enlarged Edition of Dr. Philip Slaughter's >> History of St Mark's Parish, by Raleeigh Travers Green (1900) page 51. >> >> >> Father: Rev. John Swindler b: ABT. 1747 in Cranbury, NJ >> Mother: Chloe Turley b: ABT. 1747 in Fairfax Co. VA >> >> Marriage 1 Thomas Piner b: 10 MAR 1743/44 in Culpeper Co. VA >> Married: 22 DEC 1791 in Culpeper Co. VA >> Note: >> "Genealogical and Historical Notes on Culpeper Co. VA" Embracing a >> Revised and Enlarged Edition of Dr. Philip Slaughter's History of St. >> Mark's Parish by Raleigh Travers Green, 1900, p. 51. >> >> I have not personally verified all of these facts. >> >> Hopes this gives you some help, >> Linda Cashen Gaunt >> >> >> ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== >> If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send >> only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you >> are >> on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> records, go >> to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ______________________________

Ron: No offensive taken. Keep up the good work! Lisa -------Original Message------- From: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 22:04:05 To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [VACULPEP] Apoligies are in order. Lisa, I'm sorry that I got so fired up. I owe you an apology for the remarks I made. I was just caught up in a moment of angry. You are correct that I should reply to the other members of this board privately if it doesn't pertain to any common information. I'm replying to you in the public forum of this site because that is where I insulted you. I will try not to carry on like this anymore. I also would like to address this list's administrator and say that I'm sorry for this type of action and I promise not to do it again. I ask for you forgiveness, Lisa. Ron Thompson ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Hi List Mom and Members So glad to here replies are returned to the list so everyone can benefit by answers to questions asked on the list. Have been on lists that went back to the sender of a question and have been very interested in the answer which the list didn't receive. Keep up the good work! Take care Bonnie W. Murphy "In God We Trust" Researching: GRIMSLEY and NORMAN in Culpeper & Rappahannock Counties. On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 21:44:17 -0600 Kathleen Burnett <kathleenburnett@earthlink.net> writes: > > I am the one who has decided to keep this list open so that > responses go to the entire list. This is the way you share > information on a Mailing List. I see no reason for a mailing list > where the > question or query is posted to the list and the response is sent > privately. > > I would like to remind everyone that if you have a complaint or > concern regarding a posting, Please do not send it to the list. > Send it to me personally. > > > I appreciate each of you and know this list is the success it is > because of you. > > Kathleen Burnett > List Mom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain > letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, > personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT > ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for > exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

A good source is the inventory of the estate. I just knew my Charlotte was the daughter of George Hiett (Fred. Co.) but the will only assigned minor children to guardians. A fellow researcher got the inventory and there Charlotte was....receiving her legacy along with an older sister. Just a suggestion. Mitzie ---- Original message ---- >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:08:22 -0400 (EDT) >From: Craig Schenk <murple@murple.net> >Subject: [VACULPEP] Thomas Piner/Pinor will >To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > >I think one piece of information which may help sort out the Thomas Piner mess >would be if anyone here has a copy of a will which was probated in Culpeper on >18 Aug 1777... though his name was spelled Pinor on this apparantly. > >>From what I've pieced together, this Thomas Piner was father of a younger >Thomas, as well as children Elizabeth, John and Ruth. His wife may have been >named Margaret Walker. I believe that the younger Thomas is the one who >married Elizabeth Swindle(r). > >Does anyone have a copy of this will? I've only heard of it, I haven't seen >its actual wording. It seems like it would be revealing of his family though. > > >==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== >If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L- request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp? targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Madaline H. Preston

I think one piece of information which may help sort out the Thomas Piner mess would be if anyone here has a copy of a will which was probated in Culpeper on 18 Aug 1777... though his name was spelled Pinor on this apparantly. >From what I've pieced together, this Thomas Piner was father of a younger Thomas, as well as children Elizabeth, John and Ruth. His wife may have been named Margaret Walker. I believe that the younger Thomas is the one who married Elizabeth Swindle(r). Does anyone have a copy of this will? I've only heard of it, I haven't seen its actual wording. It seems like it would be revealing of his family though.

Reading ALL replies has helped me tremendously. Just the inclusion of a date or one name might spell the difference between finding or not finding info -- whether the message is addressed to you or not. Keep it up, please.

O.K., Now I get it. I thought this string was something other than what it was. I too have been helped by other persons answers to some one elses questions. Not only that, but it will help future researchers by being in the list archives. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathleen Bowen To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:47 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd This is very simple; the message may have been a response, but the message was also meant to be read by all. Thanks for sharing your reasons, Ron. Right thing to do for the right reason... Kathleen Bowen Ridge Manor, Florida...Genealogy - It's Relative!! katbowen@earthlink.net (Back-up: kbowen@hotmail.com) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=katbowen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Baggett" <lisabaggett@mindspring.com> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > This is very simple: if you have messages for just one then just e-mail that > one. Here is a perfect example. > > The list does not care about your one reply. But, like you, I will respond > to everyone. > > Lisa Allen Bagett > > -------Original Message------- > > From: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:10:31 > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > Donna, > > Thank you for the praise but there have been a whole lot of people go out of > their way to gather information and provide help to me in the past. > > I'm just trying in a small way to repay what these dear friends have done > for me. > > Ron Thompson > Andalusia, Alabama > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > . > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is very simple; the message may have been a response, but the message was also meant to be read by all. Thanks for sharing your reasons, Ron. Right thing to do for the right reason... Kathleen Bowen Ridge Manor, Florida...Genealogy - It's Relative!! katbowen@earthlink.net (Back-up: kbowen@hotmail.com) http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/o/w/Kathleen-E-Bowen http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=katbowen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Baggett" <lisabaggett@mindspring.com> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > This is very simple: if you have messages for just one then just e-mail that > one. Here is a perfect example. > > The list does not care about your one reply. But, like you, I will respond > to everyone. > > Lisa Allen Bagett > > -------Original Message------- > > From: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:10:31 > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > Donna, > > Thank you for the praise but there have been a whole lot of people go out of > their way to gather information and provide help to me in the past. > > I'm just trying in a small way to repay what these dear friends have done > for me. > > Ron Thompson > Andalusia, Alabama > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > . > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Lisa, I'm sorry that I got so fired up. I owe you an apology for the remarks I made. I was just caught up in a moment of angry. You are correct that I should reply to the other members of this board privately if it doesn't pertain to any common information. I'm replying to you in the public forum of this site because that is where I insulted you. I will try not to carry on like this anymore. I also would like to address this list's administrator and say that I'm sorry for this type of action and I promise not to do it again. I ask for you forgiveness, Lisa. Ron Thompson

I am the one who has decided to keep this list open so that responses go to the entire list. This is the way you share information on a Mailing List. I see no reason for a mailing list where the question or query is posted to the list and the response is sent privately. I would like to remind everyone that if you have a complaint or concern regarding a posting, Please do not send it to the list. Send it to me personally. I appreciate each of you and know this list is the success it is because of you. Kathleen Burnett List Mom > > > > >

Ron, Keep up the good work in helping others. There are times when addressing one person, it involves others, not realizing a lot of our ancestors knew each other. Many names are mentioned in our research. There has been a lot of ancestors found by reading email intended for others. I am one of those fortune ones. JB

Ron, Read the subject line. Anne ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Thompson To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd Gee Whiz, Lisa, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I'll take note of your protest and mark it down in my little red book. I sure wouldn't want to impose my presence upon you any more than I have too. Forgive me for breathing. Ron Thompson Andalusia, Alabama ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Baggett" <lisabaggett@mindspring.com> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > This is very simple: if you have messages for just one then just e-mail that > one. Here is a perfect example. > > The list does not care about your one reply. But, like you, I will respond > to everyone. > > Lisa Allen Bagett > > -------Original Message------- > > From: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:10:31 > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > Donna, > > Thank you for the praise but there have been a whole lot of people go out of > their way to gather information and provide help to me in the past. > > I'm just trying in a small way to repay what these dear friends have done > for me. > > Ron Thompson > Andalusia, Alabama > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > . > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

hey just takes a click to delete, nothing to get upset about. you guys, im sure you all get alot of junk mail, Richard Graham said that ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne W. Bradshaw Musser" <muss@worldnet.att.net> To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > Ron, Read the subject line. > Anne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ron Thompson > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 7:24 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > > Gee Whiz, Lisa, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. I'll take note of > your protest and mark it down in my little red book. > I sure wouldn't want to impose my presence upon you any more than I have > too. > Forgive me for breathing. > > Ron Thompson > Andalusia, Alabama > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa Baggett" <lisabaggett@mindspring.com> > To: <VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:17 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > > > This is very simple: if you have messages for just one then just e-mail > that > > one. Here is a perfect example. > > > > The list does not care about your one reply. But, like you, I will respond > > to everyone. > > > > Lisa Allen Bagett > > > > -------Original Message------- > > > > From: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:10:31 > > To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [VACULPEP] Reply to Donna Boyd > > > > Donna, > > > > Thank you for the praise but there have been a whole lot of people go out > of > > their way to gather information and provide help to me in the past. > > > > I'm just trying in a small way to repay what these dear friends have done > > for me. > > > > Ron Thompson > > Andalusia, Alabama > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, > > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds > for > > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett > > kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go > > to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > . > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send > only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are > on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the Culpeper Co., VA mailing list, send only the word UNSUBSCRIBE to VACULPEP-L-request@rootsweb.comor if you are on the Digest list to VACULPEP-D-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== VACULPEP Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: The posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact Kathleen Burnett kathleenburnett@earthlink.net > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >