Also, I have been trying  to use this website(Library of  Virginia) and it is complicated not as easty as most guess I will get the hang of it later. thanks , joyce ----- Original Message ---- From: Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:34:53 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and cannot locate his parents etc., Would appreciate any help. Joyce From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:48:46 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question Lucy and Gary: I have been researching Culpeper/Madison/Rappahannock County Butlers who are in my lines for several years.  I am most willing to share what I have on them if you could let me know what you need. One small caveat: There are *very* intertwined and take a great deal of patience to get a clear picture of the families. R B Jenkins   ----- Original Message -----   From: lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net<mailto:lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net>   To: Gary Butler<mailto:butlergl@hotmail.com> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com>   Sent: October 25, 2008 12:53 PM   Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question   Gary:  It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we need answers to.   Lucy   -------------- Original message --------------   From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net>>   > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer   > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this.   >   > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote:   >   > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists   > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that   > > the   > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of   > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for   > > 1808,   > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually   > > exist?   > > Thanks,   > > Linda Stockdale   > >   > >   > > -------------------------------   > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-   > > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes   > > in the subject and the body of the message   >   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in   > the subject and the body of the message     -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pdolan6297 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/1772.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Excellent point--thanks. I still hope to hear from Ipanda, since he or she is working on a Key family in Culpeper. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Gary: It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we need answers to. Lucy -------------- Original message -------------- From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. > > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: > > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that > > the > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for > > 1808, > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually > > exist? > > Thanks, > > Linda Stockdale > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I mean the website, which does have some advantages. But now you start looking for deeds in Virginia and Tennessee, your friend should hit something <G> Fingers well crossed. Eliz On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > I did try the Library and it was so slow i did not go > back to it, but will try again. > We have all info far back as 1850 forward. Its just > trying to get to his parents is what we are trying for.....I am > helping a friend and she and her daughter have done > lots of work on this family from 1850. > The property where they lived is in Putnam County TN., which was Jackson > County at one time. > > Thank you, > Joyce > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:41:18 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > Have you tried Library of Virginia? I keep finding early goodies there. But > you have missed the rock they fell off. In 1810 they were still in Madison > Co but by 1830 at least, son Layton who is 23 in the 1850 was born in > Tennessee. There are two apparent sons in Tennessee on the same page who > were born in VA. > > > I can't swear this is he in 1820 but there are not many Champions, but I > note he is usually found as Champ. If you need these images let me know. > > Name: Champ Stanton > County: Jackson > State: Tennessee > > > > Eliz > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > > cannot locate his parents etc., > > Would appreciate any help. > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: SandraStephens50 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/1772.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Apparently they married in King George Co. so maybe her family was there? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

In 1830 there are 7 young men in the household and three young women Name: Champ Stanton Township: District 14 County: Jackson State: Tennessee Number of persons in household: Ages of persons in household: 5 young men and 3 young women and Garland Stanton is just below him Occupation information : 4 in agriculture and 1 in learned professions Garland who is next to Champion in 1840 is also born in TN Name: Garland Stanton Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Birth Place: Tennessee Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): District 14, Jackson, Tennessee Household Members: Name Age Birth Stanton 6 Cassy Stanton 1 Dellin Stanton 12 Elizabeth Stanton 8 Fary Stanton 4 Garland Stanton 36 Jane Stanton 32 William Stanton 10 On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > cannot locate his parents etc., > Would appreciate any help. > > Joyce > > > > > From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:48:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > Lucy and Gary: > > I have been researching Culpeper/Madison/Rappahannock County Butlers who > are in my lines for several years. I am most willing to share what I have > on them if you could let me know what you need. > > One small caveat: There are *very* intertwined and take a great deal of > patience to get a clear picture of the families. > > R B Jenkins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net<mailto:lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net> > To: Gary Butler<mailto:butlergl@hotmail.com> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com > <mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> > Sent: October 25, 2008 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > > Gary: It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult > to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we > need answers to. > > Lucy > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net > >> > > > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer > > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. > > > > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: > > > > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax > lists > > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that > > > the > > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of > > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for > > > 1808, > > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years > actually > > > exist? > > > Thanks, > > > Linda Stockdale > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > > > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pdolan6297 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/1772.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for Frances (Kay/Key) Dobyns, who allegedly returned to Culpeper after the death of her husband, Edward Dobyns in 1794. There is no telling what her name may have been by then, but I thought if Kays/Keys were established there, she might have gone to live with some of her family. Any suggestions for how to proceed? Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Have you tried Library of Virginia? I keep finding early goodies there. But you have missed the rock they fell off. In 1810 they were still in Madison Co but by 1830 at least, son Layton who is 23 in the 1850 was born in Tennessee. There are two apparent sons in Tennessee on the same page who were born in VA. I can't swear this is he in 1820 but there are not many Champions, but I note he is usually found as Champ. If you need these images let me know. Name: Champ Stanton County: Jackson State: Tennessee Eliz On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > cannot locate his parents etc., > Would appreciate any help. > > Joyce > > >

Craig, these are fascinating stories; thank you! R B Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: Craig Kilby<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: October 23, 2008 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] The War of 1812 service Yes she is one of the finest people one can ever meet. I must here tell you the story of how I met her. Oh, I had KNOWN of her, and corresponded with her, but had never met her in person. Some time in the late 1980s, I was at the Library of Virginia at one of the microfilm readers. I had left my copy card in the copy machine. One of the library staff came up to my row and said, "Are any of you here named Kilby?" To my surprise, the lady sitting right next to me said, "Yes." And I said "Yes" at the same time. We were are all so stunned. Lucia and I looked at each other and both said at the same time, "Who are you?" Boy, did we both have a laugh over that. Now I ask you, what are the chances of THAT? But it gets even better than that. And since this is Lucia Kilby time, I'll share some stories here. In 1993, I was taking a sabattical and working as the night manager at the Fearington House Inn and Restaurant in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. This was then a 4 star establishment, aiming for 5 star status (which was achieved). We were a member of Relais & Chateaux, as is the very famous Inn at Little Washington. Well, never one to be deterred especially when not well supervised, I took a little executive privelege and booked myself a free room and dinner at the Inn at Little Washington. When I arrived, the very nice young lady who checked me in asked me if I knew Lucia Kilby. I said "No, but I know who she is." At this time (and may still be, can't wait to find out) there was an antique store in this particular annex of the Inn. I noticed a little curio which was a very fine porcelaine --well what is the word? A small saucer, a coaster, an ashtray? I don't know what it is to this day, but I still have it. How I got it stems from Lucia Kilby, in a roundabout way. Some many months after this most excellent visit to Rappahannock County, and still working at Fearington House, and an employee of the Inn at Little Washington called to check on availability of a suite at our establishment as a fellow employee of an Inn and Restaurant in the Relais & Chateaux group. Of course, considering the very welcome I recieved at their establishment, I upgraded her and fellow works to the best I could offer. When they arrived, to my utter surprise, as a thank you, they had brought me the very same curio I just described. Courtesy of Lucia Kilby. Now dear friends, that was a real "WOW!" I count this little piece as one of my most prized possessions. But there is yet more. In 2003, I gave a power point presentation to the Germanna Foundation meeting titled something to the effect of "The English Neighbors of the Germanna Emigrants." That all came about because, being descended from both Germanna and English families of Culpeper, I was tired of the English presence in the area being completely ignored. It was a great presentation (and that's another whole story). This presentation focused on the family of Stokely Towles and how his descendants intermarried with the Germanna families. As I was concluding and asking for questions from the audience, a hand shot up. You guessed it. It was Lucia Kilby. I had no idea she was even in the audience! In the case of her Kilby family, the HITT family plays a very important role. Also in 2003, in fact the only reason I moved to Virginia for the last time, was to purchase the Linden Row Inn in Richmond. That sale didn't come off, but the Director of Sales at that time was from Culpeper, and the doctor who delivered into this plant was none other than Dr. Irvin Kilby of Culpeper. And just to bring the whole thing full circle. Here I am living in the Northern Neck in Lancaster County, where the Circuit Clerk's office knows me quite well. One of the ladies who works there asked me not too long ago if I was related to Lucia Kilby in Culpeper. I said, "No, not by blood, but I know her, and why do you ask?" Her aunt Margaret Kilby Tyus was Lucia's sister-in-law. Now, is this a small world or what? After talking to Lucia yesterday on the phone, I learn she has a whole new batch of material to share with me on this far-flung family. This is all new stuff for me, and even for her. So, this has a very satisfying turn of events for me. But yes, Lucia Kilby, a retired school teacheer and cancer survivor, just turned 82 years old and I am very much looking forward to seeing her again. I am so very grateful to her and Mike Lyman for putting the event together, and I am happy to have been the instrument that put them in touch with each other. Again, the event will be at 3:00 on November 15th at Slate Mills. When I get the full details I will let you all know. Craig Kilby

Lucy and Gary: I have been researching Culpeper/Madison/Rappahannock County Butlers who are in my lines for several years. I am most willing to share what I have on them if you could let me know what you need. One small caveat: There are *very* intertwined and take a great deal of patience to get a clear picture of the families. R B Jenkins ----- Original Message ----- From: lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net<mailto:lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net> To: Gary Butler<mailto:butlergl@hotmail.com> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: October 25, 2008 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question Gary: It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we need answers to. Lucy -------------- Original message -------------- From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net>> > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. > > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: > > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that > > the > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for > > 1808, > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually > > exist? > > Thanks, > > Linda Stockdale > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you. joyce ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:22:19 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question I mean the website, which does have some advantages. But now you start looking for deeds in Virginia and Tennessee, your friend should hit something <G> Fingers well crossed. Eliz On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > I did try the Library and it was so slow i did not go > back to it, but will try again. > We have all info far back as 1850 forward. Its just > trying to get to his parents is what we are trying for.....I am > helping a friend and she and her daughter have done > lots of work on this family from 1850. > The property where they lived is in Putnam County TN., which was Jackson > County at one time. > > Thank you, > Joyce > > > > ________________________________ > From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:41:18 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > Have you tried Library of Virginia? I keep finding early goodies there. But > you have missed the rock they fell off. In 1810 they were still in Madison > Co but by 1830 at least, son Layton who is 23 in the 1850 was born in > Tennessee. There are two apparent sons in Tennessee on the same page who > were born in VA. > > > I can't swear this is he in 1820 but there are not many Champions, but I > note he is usually found as Champ. If you need these images let me know. > > Name: Champ Stanton > County: Jackson > State: Tennessee > > > > Eliz > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com > >wrote: > > > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > > cannot locate his parents etc., > > Would appreciate any help. > > > > Joyce > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Lucy--there may be OTHER records which refer to these people other than tax lists, though the tax lists are certainly the most detailed year-by-year records where one may find a place and time. The Personal Property tax lists are in some ways a better barometer than the dicennial (sp?) census records. Much more detail in some respects (tithables, slaves, horses, cattle, carriages, etc). The land tax records are equally valuable. Not everyone owned land, but everyone was a tithable. And for those working with a common name, they are indespensible. They can be the ONLY means to separate one John Smith from another John Smith. I well recall when I was a state legislator in Missouri one of my friends from "across the aisle" said in an open public meeting that "any and all human endeavors are a taxable event." I about went into orbit. But the moral of the story is that you can't escape the tax man, and this is nothing new. Tax lists are tedious to go through, but boy oh boy can you learn a lot from them if you have the patience. A frequent question from clients arises about them. Does being on a tax list mean the person being taxed actually lived in that county. NO. You were taxed on land and on personal property within that county, even if you actually lived somewhere else--just as today. Sometimes that will be so noted, and give you the county where the person actually lived. On the land tax lists, at the end of each list, is the "alterations to the tax list" where one can sometimes find the answer to what happened to a piece of property, as in listing the seller and the buyer. When faced with a dead end on chains of title, these often give you the clue to finding the answer. All serious researchers should make tax lists their best friend. We are lucky that so many lists survive from such a long time ago. The tax commissioners' job was not to save records for future genealogists, but to collect that year's levy. Working with these lists is indeed tedious, but it pays big dividends. Craig On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:53 PM, lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net wrote: > Gary: It looks like this answers the question of why it is so > difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time > periods that we need answers to. > > Lucy > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > >> As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer >> is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. >> >> On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: >> >>> I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax >>> lists >>> 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that >>> the >>> tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of >>> filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for >>> 1808, >>> but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years >>> actually >>> exist? >>> Thanks, >>> Linda Stockdale >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that > the > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for > 1808, > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually > exist? > Thanks, > Linda Stockdale > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

We have everything in Tennessee, marriages deaths and births, but noting which tells who Champ's parents were. jal ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:53:53 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question In 1830 there are 7 young men in the household and three young women Name: Champ Stanton Township: District 14 County: Jackson State: Tennessee Number of persons in household: Ages of persons in household:  5 young men and 3 young women and Garland Stanton is just below him Occupation information :  4 in agriculture and 1 in learned professions Garland who is next to Champion in 1840 is also born in TN Name: Garland Stanton Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814 Birth Place: Tennessee Gender: Male Home in 1850(City,County,State): District 14, Jackson, Tennessee Household Members: Name Age Birth Stanton 6 Cassy Stanton 1 Dellin Stanton 12 Elizabeth Stanton 8 Fary Stanton 4 Garland Stanton 36 Jane Stanton 32 William Stanton 10 On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > cannot locate his parents etc., > Would appreciate any help. > > Joyce > > > > > From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> > To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:48:46 PM > Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > Lucy and Gary: > > I have been researching Culpeper/Madison/Rappahannock County Butlers who > are in my lines for several years.  I am most willing to share what I have > on them if you could let me know what you need. > > One small caveat: There are *very* intertwined and take a great deal of > patience to get a clear picture of the families. > > R B Jenkins >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net<mailto:lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net> >  To: Gary Butler<mailto:butlergl@hotmail.com> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com > <mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com> >  Sent: October 25, 2008 12:53 PM >  Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question > > >  Gary:  It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult > to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we > need answers to. > >  Lucy > >  -------------- Original message -------------- >  From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net > >> > >  > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer >  > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. >  > >  > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: >  > >  > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax > lists >  > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that >  > > the >  > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of >  > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for >  > > 1808, >  > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years > actually >  > > exist? >  > > Thanks, >  > > Linda Stockdale >  > > >  > > >  > > ------------------------------- >  > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- >  > > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >  > > in the subject and the body of the message >  > >  > >  > ------------------------------- >  > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >  > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >  > the subject and the body of the message > >  ------------------------------- >  To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I did try the Library and it was so slow i did not go back to it, but will try again. We have all info far back as 1850 forward. Its just trying to get to his parents is what we are trying for.....I am helping a friend and she and her daughter have done lots of work on this family from 1850. The property where they lived is in Putnam County TN., which was Jackson County at one time. Thank you, Joyce ________________________________ From: Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:41:18 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question Have you tried Library of Virginia? I keep finding early goodies there. But you have missed the rock they fell off. In 1810 they were still in Madison Co but by 1830 at least, son Layton who is 23 in the 1850 was born in Tennessee. There are two apparent sons in Tennessee on the same page who were born in VA. I can't swear this is he in 1820 but there are not many Champions, but I note he is usually found as Champ. If you need these images let me know. Name: Champ Stanton County: Jackson State: Tennessee Eliz On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM, Joyce Luna <lunaallenjoyce@yahoo.com>wrote: > My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. > m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. > by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. > Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and > cannot locate his parents etc., > Would appreciate any help. > > Joyce > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My brick wall is Champion Stanton, b 1783 Culpepper VA. m. Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, married 1909 in Madison Co Va. by 1850 they were in Jackson Tennessee. Seems that prior to 1850 they fell from a rock and cannot locate his parents etc., Would appreciate any help. Joyce From: Hist Docs <gendocs@msn.com> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:48:46 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question Lucy and Gary: I have been researching Culpeper/Madison/Rappahannock County Butlers who are in my lines for several years.  I am most willing to share what I have on them if you could let me know what you need. One small caveat: There are *very* intertwined and take a great deal of patience to get a clear picture of the families. R B Jenkins   ----- Original Message -----   From: lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net<mailto:lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net>   To: Gary Butler<mailto:butlergl@hotmail.com> ; vaculpep@rootsweb.com<mailto:vaculpep@rootsweb.com>   Sent: October 25, 2008 12:53 PM   Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question   Gary:  It looks like this answers the question of why it is so difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time periods that we need answers to.   Lucy   -------------- Original message --------------   From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net<mailto:persisto@earthlink.net>>   > As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer   > is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this.   >   > On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote:   >   > > I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists   > > 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that   > > the   > > tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of   > > filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for   > > 1808,   > > but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually   > > exist?   > > Thanks,   > > Linda Stockdale   > >   > >   > > -------------------------------   > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-   > > request@rootsweb.com<mailto:request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes   > > in the subject and the body of the message   >   >   > -------------------------------   > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to   > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in   > the subject and the body of the message     -------------------------------   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am searching for the family/parents of Champion STANTON b. 1783 Culpepper,VA. d. in Tennessee. He married Sarah Lindsey b. 1781, in 1909 Madison Co VA. The 1850 record of him in Tennessee up to now is fine, but the records prior to this are non-existent.  Seems that prior to that he feel from a rock.  joyce ________________________________ From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:19:11 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] Property Tax Records Question Lucy--there may be OTHER records which refer to these people other  than tax lists, though the tax lists are certainly the most detailed  year-by-year records where one may find a place and time.  The  Personal Property tax lists are in some ways a better barometer than  the dicennial (sp?) census records.  Much more detail in some  respects (tithables, slaves, horses, cattle, carriages, etc).  The  land tax records are equally valuable.  Not everyone owned land, but  everyone was a tithable.  And for those working with a common name,  they are indespensible. They can be the ONLY means to separate one  John Smith from another John Smith. I well recall when I was a state legislator in Missouri one of my  friends from "across the aisle" said in an open public meeting that  "any and all human endeavors are a taxable event."  I about went into  orbit.  But the moral of the story is that you can't escape the tax  man, and this is nothing new.  Tax lists are tedious to go through,  but boy oh boy can you learn a lot from them if you have the patience. A frequent question from clients arises about them.  Does being on a  tax list mean the person being taxed actually lived in that county.  NO.  You were taxed on land and on personal property within that  county, even if you actually lived somewhere else--just as today.  Sometimes that will be so noted, and give you the county where the  person actually lived.  On the land tax lists, at the end of each  list, is the "alterations to the tax list" where one can sometimes  find the answer to what happened to a piece of property, as in  listing the seller and the buyer.  When faced with a dead end on  chains of title, these often give you the clue to finding the answer. All serious researchers should make tax lists their best friend.  We  are lucky that so many lists survive from such a long time ago.  The  tax commissioners' job was not to save records for future  genealogists, but to collect that year's levy. Working with these lists is indeed tedious, but it pays big dividends. Craig On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:53 PM, lucyfortmyers7@comcast.net wrote: > Gary:  It looks like this answers the question of why it is so  > difficult to find info on our Butlers in that area during the time  > periods that we need answers to. > > Lucy > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Craig Kilby <persisto@earthlink.net> > >> As one who has worked with these list extensively, the short answer >> is NO, they no longer exist. I believe the microfilm states this. >> >> On Oct 25, 2008, at 12:09 PM, Mike & Linda Stockdale wrote: >> >>> I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax  >>> lists >>> 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that >>> the >>> tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of >>> filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for >>> 1808, >>> but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years  >>> actually >>> exist? >>> Thanks, >>> Linda Stockdale >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without  >> the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes  > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I ordered microfilm of the Culpeper County personal property tax lists 1803-1823 through the local FHC. There was a note on the film that the tax books for 1805-1807 and 1809-1810 were missing at the time of filming [1987]. I'm aware that no no tax lists are available for 1808, but does anyone on the list know if tax lists for these years actually exist? Thanks, Linda Stockdale

Hi Nancy and all: The President of the 1812 Society whom you should contact for grave markers is: Myron (Mike) Lyman email at: melyman@cablefirst.net Hope to meet a few of you on November 15th at 3:00 p.m. for the Leroy Kilby grave marker ceremony in Slate Mills (details to follow) Craig Kilby On Oct 23, 2008, at 2:40 PM, Sunshine49 wrote: > I would love to have a marker put up for my gr-gr-gr grandfather > Richard Lee Cardwell; he's buried in Shockoe Cem, Richmond, and was a > veteran of that war.

So I am guessing it is just a land map with towns and such. I guess that wouldn't be too helpful then. Thanks a bunch, Kathy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Kilby" <persisto@earthlink.net> To: <vaculpep@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] 1794 Va Map > It is not a plat map. > > > On Oct 23, 2008, at 4:08 PM, <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> > <rebeltrumpet@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Sorry folks, I just saw the other e-mails. I would still like to >> know if >> it is a 'plat' map though with names on it?? >> Thanks, Kathy Wells. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> >> To: <vaculpep@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] 1794 Va Map >> >> >> I got the same thing and told him I wasn't interested. >> >> Marianne Dillow >> >> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Fern <rumycuzn@bresnan.net> wrote: >> >> From: Fern <rumycuzn@bresnan.net> >> Subject: Re: [VACULPEP] 1794 Va Map >> To: vaculpep@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 9:27 AM >> >> Dear List, Please be aware that I have just rec'd a scanned copy - >> or I >> should say a very SMALL scanned area of a map from "Dan". He has >> covered 95 % of the map with a sheet of white paper. In his >> message he has >> offered to SELL the map. His message to me is below: >> >> Hi Fern, >> >> I'm attaching a couple of images of the map. (The whole map won't >> fit) >> >> I am selling 36 x 24 paper copies for 12.95 plus 5.00 shipping. >> The image may look blurry...but the map is sharp! >> >> Hope this helps and let me know if you're interested in purchasing. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Dan >> >> I think this is a SCAM - Not sure though so --- BUYER BEWARE. >> >> fern >> www.bufordfamilies.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com >> To: VACULPEP-L@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:53 PM >> Subject: [VACULPEP] 1794 Va Map >> >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: dtassey1 >> Surnames: >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ >> localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.culpeper/4554/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> I have come into possession of a 1794 Map Of Virginia. >> >> It shows Virginia before West Virginia split off. >> >> May be a help for genealogy research >> >> If interested, email me at dtassey@comcast.net and I'll email you >> a free >> image. >> >> Dan >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If >> you >> would >> like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> above and >> respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -------- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: >> 10/22/2008 >> 7:23 AM >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VACULPEP- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VACULPEP-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message