Generation No. 2 2. FRIEDERICH2 CARPER (NICOLAUS1 COERPER) was born July 08, 1736 in PA, and died November 07, 1789 in Campbelltown, PA. He married (1) SUSANNAH SCHARF. She died 1850. He married (2) MARIE MARGARET WOLFERSBERGER Abt. 1760. She was born December 26, 1739, and died September 08, 1805. Notes for FRIEDERICH CARPER: Revolutionary War. Notes for SUSANNAH SCHARF: Had 2 children with Friedrich.- Margery Ellis (Note: Margery called him Frederick) Children of FRIEDERICH CARPER and MARIE WOLFERSBERGER are: i. KATHERINE3 CARPER, b. 1762; d. 1833. ii. JOHN CARPER, b. 1764; d. 1805. 6. iii. NICHOLAS CARPER, b. 1766; d. July 04, 1820, Stark County, OH. iv. JACOB CARPER, b. October 27, 1767; d. 1833. v. PHILIP CARPER, b. 1769; d. 1855. vi. ADAM CARPER, b. 1771; d. 1815; m. CATHERINE. Notes for ADAM CARPER: Egle's Notes and Queries list an Adam Carper, married to Catharine, having issue: Sarah Carper, b. May 15, 1814. Hill Lutheran Church, Drry Township, Dauphin County, PA. Baptized, April 9, 1815; sponsor Sarah Blessing. [Note first name of child and first name of sponsor.] Of course, the above child may not be the child of THIS Adam Carper.-VES 7. vii. SAMUEL CARPER, b. 1772; d. 1861. viii. MAGDALENA CARPER, b. 1774. 3. JOHN JACOB2 CARPER (NICOLAUS1 COERPER) was born April 08, 1748 in Lancaster, PA, and died March 30, 1829 in Prob. Jefferson, TN. He married MARY PECK 1774 in near Sharpsburg, MD. She was born 1755, and died Aft. 1802. Notes for JOHN JACOB CARPER: Revolutionary War - Patriot (not Loyalist) Death source is the D.A.R.- Margery Ellis. Children of JOHN CARPER and MARY PECK are: i. HESTER VAN METER3 CARPER, b. Abt. 1775. ii. ISAAC CARPER, b. 1777. iii. ELIZABETH CARPER, b. 1780. iv. MARY CARPER, b. 1783. v. JOSEPH CARPER, b. October 12, 1786; d. December 22, 1859. Notes for JOSEPH CARPER: He went to Tennessee.- Margery Ellis. vi. MARGARET CARPER, b. November 02, 1789. vii. SARAH CARPER, b. 1792. viii. JACOB CARPER, b. 1795. ix. WINIFRED PECK CARPER, b. 1797. 4. NICHOLAS2 CARPER (NICOLAUS1 COERPER) was born Abt. 1749 in MD, and died February 12, 1813 in Fincastle, Botetourt Co., VA. He married ELIZABETH SHRIDER 1769 in Probably Maryland, daughter of HENRY SHRIDER and ELIZABETH. She was born Abt. 1750 in Botetourt, VA, and died Abt. 1835 in Fincastle, Botetourt, Virginia. Notes for NICHOLAS CARPER: >From GOODE2SHUS@aol.com: >From "Early Marriages, Wills and Some Revolutionary War Records of Botetourt County, Virginia" by Anne Worrell: Nicholas Carper, will probate May 1813. Names wife, Elizabeth, and children Jacob, Benjamin, Elizabeth Harvey, Mary McFarran, Joseph, Sally, Holstine, and Isaac. Note: The names Harvey and McFarran are married names. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From Peggy A. Grubbs book on the Carpers: Revolutionary War, buried at Presbyterian Church, Fincastle. ---------- I ascribe this information to this Nicholas Carper, since his father, Nicholas, was not in Virginia, and this Nicholas had many children, but quite possibly none were 16 in 1787. Also, he died in Botetourt. So... In the 1787 Census of Virginia for Botetourt County, p. 223 - Carper, Nicholas (paid his own tax). He had horses and cows, but no males between 16 & 21. ---------- Moved about 1778 to Fincastle, Virginia, where he died in 1813, survived by his wife Elizabeth and 8 children. He was an elder of the Fincastle Presbyterian church, and represented Botetourt County in the Virginia House of Delegates in 1802 and 1803; was a large landholder, and a slaveholder. Buried at Fincastle Church. AFN:H9GO-QC ----------- Vince, My source of will info of Nicholas Carper was contained in OVER THE MOUNTAIN MEN, by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934 which gives a probate date of May 1813 in Botetourt Co. Names wife, Elizabeth; and ch Jacob; Benjamin; Elizabeth Harvey; Mary M'ferran; Joseph; Sally Holestine; and Isaac. >From this info, I would conclude that Elizabeth Harvey was the married child of Nicholas and Elizabeth Carper so your info that his wife was a Shrider could well be correct. Someone may have misread the will thus creating Elizabeth Harvey as Nicholas' wife. His dau, Elizabeth, married James Harvey 21 Jul 1790 in Botetourt Co. Madge Looney Crane may be reached at R.R. 1, Box 193, Waterford, OH 45786. She has an e-mail address but I do not know it. Hope this is helpful. Jack Nida Jonesboro, GA http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ ------------ Margery Ellis says of Nicholas: They went from Frederick, MD to Frederick County, Virginia which is now Berkeley County, West Virginia probably near Sharpsburg and on to Botetourt County, VIrginia. He did surveying there in 1787. He was a member of the House of Delegates from Botetourt in 1802/3. He was taxed on a frame dwelling w/stone chimney in 1783. He had moved to Fincastle about 1778. He had 8 children alive when he died. He was recruited into the Revolution 31 August 1782 in the 42nd District under Captain Robinson, Botetourt County Virginia. He represented Botetourt County in the House of Delegates in 1802 and 1803. He served as Juryman and he was an elder in the Fincastle Sinking Spring Presbyterian Church. He owned 1335 acres in the county and a lot in Fincastle in 1800. He was also a slave owner. A Nicholas Carper was in Botetourt County in the 1787 Virginia Tax List with 4 horses and 11 cows. He bought 68 acres with all houses, buildings, waterwayus, ... on 212 March 1775. He lived in Maryland until 1778 when he moved to Fincastle, Botetourt, VA. He was a juryman in 1779. His Revolutionary war record is recorded in WPA History of Roanoke County, page 317. He was taxed in Botetourt from 1;783 until death. He was Pension 2-12-1811 CS-VA, DAR Patriot Index R929D. Notes for ELIZABETH SHRIDER: AFN:H9GO-RJ Submitters: KAY ROBERTS MARTIN Microfilm: 1512618 RT 4 BOX 440-1 Submission: AF89-004614 OAK GROVE MO 64075 KAY ROBERTS MARTIN Microfilm: NONE RT 4 BOX 440-1 Submission: AF91-102352 OAK GROVE MO 64075 JAMES VICTOR KENNEDY Microfilm: NONE RR#1 BOX 231 Submission: AF96-114526 STOCKTON, MO USA 65785 CHARLES HILL Microfilm: NONE 546 NELSON ST Submission: AF96-106700 CHAMBERSBURG PA USA 17201 Marriage Notes for NICHOLAS CARPER and ELIZABETH SHRIDER: First four kids were born in Maryland, hence marriage probably in Maryland.- Margery Ellis. Children of NICHOLAS CARPER and ELIZABETH SHRIDER are: i. HOLSTEIN/HOLSTINE3 CARPER. 8. ii. JACOB CARPER, b. Bet. 1775 - 1776, Maryland; d. 1827, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA. iii. ELIZABETH CARPER, b. October 11, 1775, MD; m. (1) WILLIAM FLETCHER; m. (2) JAMES HARVEY, July 1790, Botetourt, Virginia. Notes for ELIZABETH CARPER: Elizabeth was married to William Fletcher when her father died.- Margery Ellis. iv. HENRY CARPER, b. Abt. 1776, MD; d. June 27, 1853, Franklin, Virginia; m. NANCY GREER, February 17, 1801; b. Franklin County, Virginia; d. Franklin County, Virginia. v. A. BENJAMIN CARPER, b. March 1778, MD; d. February 17, 1855, Franklin, WV; m. ELIZABETH VAN METER, April 02, 1802, Botetourt, Virginia; b. Abt. 1782. Notes for A. BENJAMIN CARPER: He became a Botetourt Justice on January 14, 1812. They were in Botetourt in 1830.- Margery Ellis. vi. MARY (POLLY) CARPER, b. Abt. 1781, Botetourt, VA; m. THOMAS MCFERREN/MCFERRAN, February 02, 1809, Botetourt, Virginia; b. February 15, 1776, Botetourt, VA. Notes for THOMAS MCFERREN/MCFERRAN: They had no children. They lived in Virginia, then Kentucky, then Virginia, then Kentucky. They lived in Jefferson Count;y, KY on December 8, 1828 and in Missouri in 1832 when they purchased land. They were in Clariton County, Missouri in 1840.- Margery Ellis. vii. JOSEPH CARPER, b. Abt. 1783, Botetourt, VA; d. December 22, 1859; m. MARY, July 22, 1832. Notes for JOSEPH CARPER: Went to Tennessee.- Margery Ellis. viii. SARAH (SALLY) CARPER, b. 1791, Botetourt, VA; d. Bet. 1860 - 1870, Mercer County, (West) Virginia; m. HUGH HOLSTON, August 1809. 9. ix. ISAAC CARPER, b. 1795, Fincastle, Botetourt, VA; d. June 10, 1860. 5. MARY MARGARET2 CARPER (NICOLAUS1 COERPER) was born December 27, 1751 in Lancaster, PA, and died Aft. 1827 in Giles, VA. She married BENJAMIN PECK 1769 in MD. He was born Abt. 1744 in MD, and died June 01, 1824 in Giles, VA. Notes for MARY MARGARET CARPER: Margery Ellis lists the d.o.b. as December 28, 1750. Children of MARY CARPER and BENJAMIN PECK are: i. JACOB3 PECK, b. November 06, 1770. ii. JOHN PECK, b. September 10, 1772. iii. ELIZABETH PECK, b. December 20, 1774. iv. ADAM PECK, b. September 17, 1777. v. MARY PECK, b. July 29, 1779. vi. MARGARET PECK, b. 1781. vii. BENJAMIN PECK, b. September 16, 1783. viii. JOSEPH PECK, b. December 11, 1785. ix. HESTER PECK, b. 1787. x. NANCY S. PECK, b. October 09, 1794.

This data comes from many, not just myself, as even a cursory inspection will reveal... Descendants of Nicolaus Coerper Generation No. 1 1. NICOLAUS1 COERPER was born Abt. 1703 in Baden Germany, and died Aft. 1790 in Lancaster, PA. He married ANNA MARGARETHA BARBARA MARSTELLER December 03, 1734 in New Providence Twp, Montgomery, Pennsylvania. She was born February 12, 1708/09 in Pfungstadt, Hesse-Darmstadt, Parish of Reichelsheim. Notes for NICOLAUS COERPER: LaniMacA@aol.com (an apparent historian on the Philadelphia Rootsweb Page), looked up, in Strassburger's Pennsylvania German Pioneers, for me, Nicholas... Reply: On board the ship Samuel, Hugh Percy commander, from Rotterdam via Cowes, England, qualified 11 Aug 1732, Nicholas CORBER (umlaut over the O), age 22. The first version of the list, written by the captain or one of the ship's officers, includes women and children, non of whom have a surname similar to Nicholas'. There were 106 men (age 16 and older), 89 women and 84 children on board, for a total of 279 passengers, all of whom are noted to be Palatines. In the second and third versions of the list for this ship, which is made up of the adult male passengers' signatures, your ancestor signed his own name as Niklas KORPER (umlaut over the O) and Niklas KERPER, respectively. Note: Cowes was an English port on the Isle of Wight). He was Niklas Korper on the signature list on the ship, Niklas Kerper on Clerk of Court's list when passengers took oath of allegiance to King of England and American Colonies (called 'Declaration of FIdelity and Abjuration'), and he was Nicholas Corber on the ship captain's list. - Margery Ellis. >From Egle's Notes & Queries: Baptismal Record of Rev. John Casper Stoever 1730-1799. Cunradt Walther, (Coventry.) Walther -- Margaretha Barbara, b. Jan. Feb. 18, 1739. Sponsors, Nicolaus Coerper and wife Margaretha. Note: born January, baptized February. Joan Carper Fraser of California says (according to Cyndy Shreffler, 2250 Woodstock Ct., Troy, Ohio 45373 (Shreffler2@aol.com): 'Nicholaus was aboard the Samuel in 1732. He was from Unter-ostern, Hesse-Darnstadt in the Palatinate.' ================= Vincent, I saw your name at rootsweb.com. I am descended from Carpers too. My immigrant Carper was Nicholas Kerber in Germany and Nicholas Carper (1703 - ~ 1758) in USA in Pennsylvania. Actually he is my ancestor twice. His son Nicholas Carper (1749-1813) had two sons Jacob Carper and Isaac Carper who are both my ancestors. Are any of these yours? I have a mother, father and grandfather for the immigrant Nicholas Carper. [ Margery Abbott Ellis -- ellisb-m@ix.netcom.com ] Note: Here is a listing of some of the references Margery uses... My main references for the oldest Carpers is a book 'Eighteenth Century Emigrants from Pfungstadt, Hessen-Darmstadt to Pennsylvania' by Annette K. Burgert and part of 'Chronicles of Carper Family Descendants of Nicholas Kerper, 1703 Immigrant to Pennsylvania', published August 1998. - VES. ================= One source claims Nicolaus Kerber (Carper) born 14, February 1703 at Unterostern, Hesse-Darmstadt, Germany, and father Hans Joerg Kerber, born 6 Dec. 1669 died 6 Dec. 1772 at Unterostern, Hesse-Darmstadt, Parish of Reichelsheim, Germany. Hans' father was Alexander Kerber (Koerber).- Carolyn Carper Farr-Wilson. He and Margaret lived in Cocalico Township, Lancaster County, PA by 1753. County records of him stop in 1758 (the only year he was taxed there). He was one of the first elders of the First Reformed Church of Coventry, East Coventry, Chester County, PA on 19 May 1743 when Rev. Jacob Lischy became pastor and started keeping records. He worked as a blacksmith. In 1740 they were 'of Plymouth in Philadelphia County.' Notes for ANNA MARGARETHA BARBARA MARSTELLER: IGI from LDS says: Married 3 December 1734 New Providence Twp, Augustus Evangelical Luteran Church, Montgomery, Pennsylvania. Marriage Notes for NICOLAUS COERPER and ANNA MARSTELLER: "Skippach" by "Rev." John Caspar Stoever. Augustus Evangelical Lutheran Church, in Trappe, Pennsylvania. Emigrated on same ship as Nicholas and was listed as Gretha Marstelen, age 19 (really 23). Her baptism is on tape #1,195,494 at FHC. She called herself Margaret or sometimes Anna Margaret in U.S.A.- Margery Ellis. Children of NICOLAUS COERPER and ANNA MARSTELLER are: 2. i. FRIEDERICH2 CARPER, b. July 08, 1736, PA; d. November 07, 1789, Campbelltown, PA. ii. JOHN ANDREW CARPER, b. April 27, 1746, Pennsylvania. Notes for JOHN ANDREW CARPER: Johann Andreas 3. iii. JOHN JACOB CARPER, b. April 08, 1748, Lancaster, PA; d. March 30, 1829, Prob. Jefferson, TN. 4. iv. NICHOLAS CARPER, b. Abt. 1749, MD; d. February 12, 1813, Fincastle, Botetourt Co., VA. 5. v. MARY MARGARET CARPER, b. December 27, 1751, Lancaster, PA; d. Aft. 1827, Giles, VA.

I have a chance to do just a little more for now. Then on to playing a computer game with my daughter! I have: Jacob Carper b. bet. 1775-1776 d. 1827 m. January 26, 1796 Botetourt Co., VA Sarah Raymer b. 1775 d. 1838 One of the Issue I have is Nicholas. Now, all the issue I have listed under Sarah are born from 1797 to 1823. Not impossible, but a bit surprising, possibly. Someone (sadly I do not remember who!) sent me a file with a lot of family members of this Nicholas b. 1799. They have him marrying a Sarah Nida(y) the y being added by a different researcher, and I have also him marrying a Lydia Smith. Now the troublesome part is that they list Nicholas as having a different father (mother unlisted) -- Alkanah Washington Carper. Now I gather that the data comes from the Peggy Grubb book, Carpers of Roane, etc. Now, I believe it is well-stocked with documentation, but I also believe she messed up on Elizabeth Harvey instead of Elizabeth Shrider, or just Elizabeth, surname unknown... So I am not so certain I buy Alkanah Washington Carper either. Yet, as I said, I am not dismissing it. The same source lists an entire line of Alkanah Carper descendants (the daughter of Nicholas, supposedly named after his mother). Could the so-called Alkanah, the mother of Nicholas, who supposedly lived in the household of Nicholas at one point, have been, not a mother, but an Aunt, etc? Any input to help straighten all this out? Thanks, Vince

Don't forget.... Alkanah could also be spelled Elkanah --jsl ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent Edward Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 1:01 PM Subject: [VACRAIG] CARPERs! Maybe joining lines? > I have received several CARPER printouts from both Genforum, and from > members of this group. Just oodles of stuff. Later, when the weather > settles down, I intend to post it all in generations. I will desire > any help possible in correcting errors, and adding source. Believe me, > the additional material is voluminous! > > But most mysterious is the file I got tracing the 1799 Nicholas back > not to the usual Carper, but to an Alkanah Washington Carper. It is > disturbing because it rocks the boat, and because it makes sense. To > a point. Can anyone come up with an explanation of Alkanah Washington > Carper, and his (I would have thought her) surrounding generations? > > Thanks, > Vince > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > Computers automatically delete addresses > with the third Craig County List Bounce >

I have received several CARPER printouts from both Genforum, and from members of this group. Just oodles of stuff. Later, when the weather settles down, I intend to post it all in generations. I will desire any help possible in correcting errors, and adding source. Believe me, the additional material is voluminous! But most mysterious is the file I got tracing the 1799 Nicholas back not to the usual Carper, but to an Alkanah Washington Carper. It is disturbing because it rocks the boat, and because it makes sense. To a point. Can anyone come up with an explanation of Alkanah Washington Carper, and his (I would have thought her) surrounding generations? Thanks, Vince

Albemarle formed Goochland, Lousia 1744 Augusta formed from Orange 1738 Craig formed 1851 Parent County Botetourt, Montgomery, Roanoke, Giles, Monroe, Allegheny For more info check the VaGenWeb has the whole list. Bedford came from Albemarle , guess that would be the nearest point Fred W. Davis fwdavis@roanoke.infi.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra henderson" <sandi@frognet.net> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 4:04 PM Subject: [VACRAIG] Albemarle Co. > Hello Everyone, > > Wanted to know if you have Craig Co. being called Albemarle County? > > Thanks, > Sandy > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > Address Craig Messages to: > VACraig-L@rootsweb.com > Watch your subject lines! >

Hello Everyone, Wanted to know if you have Craig Co. being called Albemarle County? Thanks, Sandy

http://www.genexchange.com/va/craig/index.cfm 16 Brizendine in Westview Cemetery -----Original Message----- From: sandra henderson <sandi@frognet.net> To: VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, January 21, 2000 11:56 PM Subject: [VACRAIG] Looking for Information On West View Cem. >I am looking for information on when the West View Cemetery was started and who gave the land for this cemetery. > >I am also looking for the burial place of Elizabeth Eans Brizendine. She was the wife of Laybourn Brisendine. >Thanks, >Sandy > > >==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== >SUPPORT ROOTSWEB! VISIT: >http://www.rootsweb.com >

http://www.genexchange.com/va/craig/index.cfm There are 31 Elmore in the Cemeteries section -----Original Message----- From: Jimvinik@aol.com <Jimvinik@aol.com> To: VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:27 AM Subject: [VACRAIG] (no subject) > >Dear Vince, > I was wondering how I would go about getting a list of the >cementaries in Craig County? Also is there a book made of Craig County to >purchase listing the persons buried in the cementaries? > Does anyone out there know where I could get this information. >If anybody can help me please respond. All information would be greatly >appreciated...........Vi Elmore McCauley. ..........jimvinik@aol,com.. > > >==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== >SUPPORT ROOTSWEB! VISIT: >http://www.rootsweb.com >

http://www.genexchange.com/va/craig/index.cfm Many of the Craig County Va Cemeteries have been entered here. Thanke to several great volunteers. I hope you will find what you are looking for. Take a look also at birth & Death records. Rena cc Craig co Va GenExchange -----Original Message----- From: Jimvinik@aol.com <Jimvinik@aol.com> To: VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:27 AM Subject: [VACRAIG] (no subject) > >Dear Vince, > I was wondering how I would go about getting a list of the >cementaries in Craig County? Also is there a book made of Craig County to >purchase listing the persons buried in the cementaries? > Does anyone out there know where I could get this information. >If anybody can help me please respond. All information would be greatly >appreciated...........Vi Elmore McCauley. ..........jimvinik@aol,com.. > > >==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== >SUPPORT ROOTSWEB! VISIT: >http://www.rootsweb.com >

I am looking for information on when the West View Cemetery was started and who gave the land for this cemetery. I am also looking for the burial place of Elizabeth Eans Brizendine. She was the wife of Laybourn Brisendine. Thanks, Sandy

Dear Vince, I was wondering how I would go about getting a list of the cementaries in Craig County? Also is there a book made of Craig County to purchase listing the persons buried in the cementaries? Does anyone out there know where I could get this information. If anybody can help me please respond. All information would be greatly appreciated...........Vi Elmore McCauley. ..........jimvinik@aol,com..

WFT Vol 3 #1741 had a lot of Elmore's but did not go back as far as you require. Find out who submitted the files and they might have the info you need. Dolly Ann Leffel married Chauncey DePew 11-12-1911. He was the son of Clifton and Mary Elmore. Do the names ring a bell. Fred Fred W. Davis fwdavis@roanoke.infi.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Edward Summers" <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] (no subject) > I do not seem to have anything on these lines, I regret to say... > Vince > > Jimvinik@aol.com wrote: > > > > Dear Vince, > > I have been trying to find information on Amanda (or Manda) Elmore. > > Also on India (Inda) Elmore These girls were listed in the Craig County > > Census !850, but apparently vanished off the face of the earth. I beleive > > them to be my Grandfathers sisters, who was Giles Monroe Elmore born Aug > > 5.1869, Is there anybody out there that has any information? Anything would > > be appreciated. > > Vi Elmore McCauley > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > > Computers automatically delete addresses > > with the third Craig County List Bounce > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > MESSAGE HINT: Before replying to any list message, > be sure you delete all the unnecessary material. > DELETE: Taglines, Empty Lines, Greeting Lines too! >

I do not seem to have anything on these lines, I regret to say... Vince Jimvinik@aol.com wrote: > > Dear Vince, > I have been trying to find information on Amanda (or Manda) Elmore. > Also on India (Inda) Elmore These girls were listed in the Craig County > Census !850, but apparently vanished off the face of the earth. I beleive > them to be my Grandfathers sisters, who was Giles Monroe Elmore born Aug > 5.1869, Is there anybody out there that has any information? Anything would > be appreciated. > Vi Elmore McCauley > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > Computers automatically delete addresses > with the third Craig County List Bounce

This is, indeed, a big help. At least it gives me a good chance to find the truth, and I think you have hit on the idea behind the name Harvey. Thanks again... Vince "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > Vince, > My source of will info of Nicholas Carper was contained in OVER THE MOUNTAIN > MEN, by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934 which gives a probate date of May 1813 in > Botetourt Co. Names wife, Elizabeth; and ch Jacob; Benjamin; Elizabeth > Harvey; Mary M'ferran; Joseph; Sally Holestine; and Isaac. > >From this info, I would conclude that Elizabeth Harvey was the married child > of Nicholas and Elizabeth Carper so your info that his wife was a Shrider > could well be correct. Someone may have misread the will thus creating > Elizabeth Harvey as Nicholas' wife. His dau, Elizabeth, married James Harvey > 21 Jul 1790 in Botetourt Co. > > Madge Looney Crane may be reached at R.R. 1, Box 193, Waterford, OH 45786. > She has an e-mail address but I do not know it. > Hope this is helpful. > > Jack Nida > Jonesboro, GA > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > Thanks. How do I contact her? Also, do you have a copy of the will > > of Nicholas, whether scanned, or typed, that you can share with me? > > > > Vince > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/m/Vincent-E-Summers/index.html > > > > "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > > > > > Vince, > > > The will of Nicholas Carper names only his wife, Elizabeth, and some > > > children, no maiden name for her. Madge Looney Crane has done some > research > > > on the Carper family and may know more about his marriage than an > approx. > > > date of 1770. > > > Jack Nida > > > Jonesboro, GA > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > > > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:26 AM > > > Subject: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > > > > > Is anyone aware if there is an error in the above book by Peggy > Grubbs? > > > > Specifically in the "marriage" of Elizabeth Harvey and Nicholas Carper > > > > of 1749? > > > > > > > > Many sites seem to indicate that he married and Elizabeth Shrider. > Now, > > > > of course, the two could be the same person. Or not. Does anyone > have > > > > solid evidence one way or the other? I incline toward Shrider, but do > > > > not think Peggy Grubbs would have said Harvey without any reason. > > > > Some might, but she lists much source generally, and I am reluctant to > > > > dismiss her... > > > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > > > (See her info at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd/norman/CARPER.1 ) > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > > Computers automatically delete addresses > > with the third Craig County List Bounce > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > CRAIG COUNTY GEN-WEB Web Site:

Vince, My source of will info of Nicholas Carper was contained in OVER THE MOUNTAIN MEN, by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934 which gives a probate date of May 1813 in Botetourt Co. Names wife, Elizabeth; and ch Jacob; Benjamin; Elizabeth Harvey; Mary M'ferran; Joseph; Sally Holestine; and Isaac. >From this info, I would conclude that Elizabeth Harvey was the married child of Nicholas and Elizabeth Carper so your info that his wife was a Shrider could well be correct. Someone may have misread the will thus creating Elizabeth Harvey as Nicholas' wife. His dau, Elizabeth, married James Harvey 21 Jul 1790 in Botetourt Co. Madge Looney Crane may be reached at R.R. 1, Box 193, Waterford, OH 45786. She has an e-mail address but I do not know it. Hope this is helpful. Jack Nida Jonesboro, GA http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > Thanks. How do I contact her? Also, do you have a copy of the will > of Nicholas, whether scanned, or typed, that you can share with me? > > Vince > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/m/Vincent-E-Summers/index.html > > "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > > > Vince, > > The will of Nicholas Carper names only his wife, Elizabeth, and some > > children, no maiden name for her. Madge Looney Crane has done some research > > on the Carper family and may know more about his marriage than an approx. > > date of 1770. > > Jack Nida > > Jonesboro, GA > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:26 AM > > Subject: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > > > Is anyone aware if there is an error in the above book by Peggy Grubbs? > > > Specifically in the "marriage" of Elizabeth Harvey and Nicholas Carper > > > of 1749? > > > > > > Many sites seem to indicate that he married and Elizabeth Shrider. Now, > > > of course, the two could be the same person. Or not. Does anyone have > > > solid evidence one way or the other? I incline toward Shrider, but do > > > not think Peggy Grubbs would have said Harvey without any reason. > > > Some might, but she lists much source generally, and I am reluctant to > > > dismiss her... > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > (See her info at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd/norman/CARPER.1 ) > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > Computers automatically delete addresses > with the third Craig County List Bounce >

Vince, The will of Nicholas Carper names only his wife, Elizabeth, and some children, no maiden name for her. Madge Looney Crane has done some research on the Carper family and may know more about his marriage than an approx. date of 1770. Jack Nida Jonesboro, GA http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:26 AM Subject: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > Is anyone aware if there is an error in the above book by Peggy Grubbs? > Specifically in the "marriage" of Elizabeth Harvey and Nicholas Carper > of 1749? > > Many sites seem to indicate that he married and Elizabeth Shrider. Now, > of course, the two could be the same person. Or not. Does anyone have > solid evidence one way or the other? I incline toward Shrider, but do > not think Peggy Grubbs would have said Harvey without any reason. > Some might, but she lists much source generally, and I am reluctant to > dismiss her... > > Vince > > (See her info at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd/norman/CARPER.1 ) > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > http://www.rootsweb.com >

Descendants of Jacob Carper 1 Jacob Carper 1765 - b: Abt. 1765 in Botetourt, Virginia . +Mary 1767 - b: Abt. 1767 in Botetourt, Virginia m: Abt. 1787 in Botetourt, Virginia ........ 2 Jacob Carper 1790 - b: Abt. 1790 in Botetourt, Virginia ............ +Mary Nevill 1795 - 1853 b: Abt. 1795 in Botetourt, Virginia m: April 13, 1815 in Botetourt, Virginia d: April 23, 1853 in Botetourt, Virginia ................... 3 William Barnes Carper 1820 - 1908 b: 1820 in Botetourt, Virginia d: 1908 in Botetourt, Virginia ....................... +Rebecca Allen 1843 - 1926 b: 1843 in of Botetourt, Virginia m: November 04, 1858 in Botetourt, Virginia d: 1926 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Andrew B. Carper 1860 - b: June 06, 1860 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Mary F. Carper 1866 - b: April 05, 1866 in Botetourt, Virginia ................... 3 Enoch Sullivan Carper 1824 - b: 1824 in Botetourt, Virginia ....................... +Elizabeth Frances 1828 - b: Abt. 1828 in Botetourt, Virginia m: Abt. 1848 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Alice V. Carper 1849 - 1865 b: Abt. 1849 in Botetourt, Virginia d: June 03, 1865 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Charles B. Carper 1850 - 1865 b: 1850 in Botetourt, Virginia d: August 15, 1865 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Mary Octavia Carper 1855 - b: December 19, 1855 in Botetourt, Virginia .................................. +Wilber V. Myers 1855 - b: October 25, 1855 in Botetourt, Virginia m: December 19, 1883 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Emma L. Carper 1856 - b: 1856 in Botetourt, Virginia .................................. +Robert E. Myers 1858 - b: 1858 in Botetourt, Virginia m: February 05, 1884 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Elizabeth Sulivan Carper 1860 - b: May 25, 1860 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Lucy Lu Carper 1863 - b: 1863 in Botetourt, Virginia .................................. +George A. Horn 1842 - b: 1842 in Bellfountain, Ohio m: December 20, 1882 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Cary J. Carper 1866 - b: September 06, 1866 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Clara H. Carper 1868 - b: August 09, 1868 in Botetourt, Virginia .................................. +H.P. Shultz 1863 - b: 1863 in Botetourt, Virginia m: June 22, 1887 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 John W. Carper 1870 - b: June 29, 1870 in Botetourt, Virginia ................... 3 Elizabeth F. Carper 1830 - b: 1830 in Botetourt, Virginia .............................. 4 Alice Carper 1849 - b: 1849 in Botetourt, Virginia ................... 3 Mary Carper 1831 - b: 1831 in Botetourt, Virginia ................... 3 Henry Carper 1833 - b: 1833 in Botetourt, Virginia ....................... +Cordelia Whitenider 1834 - b: Abt. 1834 in Botetourt, Virginia m: May 08, 1854 in Botetourt, Virginia ........ *2nd Wife of Jacob Carper: ............ +Rachael B. Ferrill 1809 - b: 1809 in Botetourt, Virginia m: December 21, 1854 in Botetourt, Virginia These are the Carper in Botetourt County as well. i hope this helps someone

Vince months ago I ran across your file on the web and I must say it is the best I have found on the Carper's I am still looking it over. Thanks for shareing your file. Fred W. Davis fwdavis@roanoke.infi.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@nrao.edu> To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > Hot dogs, I think you've found it out. Of course, I will examine it > a little more closely, but I think you've broken into the truth on > this one. > > Thank you. > Vince > > "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > > > Vince, > > My source of will info of Nicholas Carper was contained in OVER THE MOUNTAIN > > MEN, by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934 which gives a probate date of May 1813 in > > Botetourt Co. Names wife, Elizabeth; and ch Jacob; Benjamin; Elizabeth > > Harvey; Mary M'ferran; Joseph; Sally Holestine; and Isaac. > > >From this info, I would conclude that Elizabeth Harvey was the married child > > of Nicholas and Elizabeth Carper so your info that his wife was a Shrider > > could well be correct. Someone may have misread the will thus creating > > Elizabeth Harvey as Nicholas' wife. His dau, Elizabeth, married James Harvey > > 21 Jul 1790 in Botetourt Co. > > > > Madge Looney Crane may be reached at R.R. 1, Box 193, Waterford, OH 45786. > > She has an e-mail address but I do not know it. > > Hope this is helpful. > > > > Jack Nida > > Jonesboro, GA > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:42 AM > > Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > > > Thanks. How do I contact her? Also, do you have a copy of the will > > > of Nicholas, whether scanned, or typed, that you can share with me? > > > > > > Vince > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/m/Vincent-E-Summers/index.html > > > > > > "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > > > > > > > Vince, > > > > The will of Nicholas Carper names only his wife, Elizabeth, and some > > > > children, no maiden name for her. Madge Looney Crane has done some > > research > > > > on the Carper family and may know more about his marriage than an > > approx. > > > > date of 1770. > > > > Jack Nida > > > > Jonesboro, GA > > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > > > > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:26 AM > > > > Subject: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > > > > > > > Is anyone aware if there is an error in the above book by Peggy > > Grubbs? > > > > > Specifically in the "marriage" of Elizabeth Harvey and Nicholas Carper > > > > > of 1749? > > > > > > > > > > Many sites seem to indicate that he married and Elizabeth Shrider. > > Now, > > > > > of course, the two could be the same person. Or not. Does anyone > > have > > > > > solid evidence one way or the other? I incline toward Shrider, but do > > > > > not think Peggy Grubbs would have said Harvey without any reason. > > > > > Some might, but she lists much source generally, and I am reluctant to > > > > > dismiss her... > > > > > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > > > > > (See her info at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd/norman/CARPER.1 ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > > > Computers automatically delete addresses > > > with the third Craig County List Bounce > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > CRAIG COUNTY GEN-WEB Web Site: > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > Our VACraig Mailing List is sponsored by the RootsWeb Genealogical Data > Cooperative. RootsWeb is sponsored entirely by you, the genealogy com- > munity. To find out how you can help support internet genealogy through > RootsWeb, why not go ahead right now and visit this page: > .........http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html........ >

Hot dogs, I think you've found it out. Of course, I will examine it a little more closely, but I think you've broken into the truth on this one. Thank you. Vince "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > Vince, > My source of will info of Nicholas Carper was contained in OVER THE MOUNTAIN > MEN, by Anne Lowry Worrell in 1934 which gives a probate date of May 1813 in > Botetourt Co. Names wife, Elizabeth; and ch Jacob; Benjamin; Elizabeth > Harvey; Mary M'ferran; Joseph; Sally Holestine; and Isaac. > >From this info, I would conclude that Elizabeth Harvey was the married child > of Nicholas and Elizabeth Carper so your info that his wife was a Shrider > could well be correct. Someone may have misread the will thus creating > Elizabeth Harvey as Nicholas' wife. His dau, Elizabeth, married James Harvey > 21 Jul 1790 in Botetourt Co. > > Madge Looney Crane may be reached at R.R. 1, Box 193, Waterford, OH 45786. > She has an e-mail address but I do not know it. > Hope this is helpful. > > Jack Nida > Jonesboro, GA > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > Thanks. How do I contact her? Also, do you have a copy of the will > > of Nicholas, whether scanned, or typed, that you can share with me? > > > > Vince > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/m/Vincent-E-Summers/index.html > > > > "R.J.NIDA" wrote: > > > > > > Vince, > > > The will of Nicholas Carper names only his wife, Elizabeth, and some > > > children, no maiden name for her. Madge Looney Crane has done some > research > > > on the Carper family and may know more about his marriage than an > approx. > > > date of 1770. > > > Jack Nida > > > Jonesboro, GA > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/i/d/R-J-Nida-GA/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Vincent E. Summers <vsummers@nrao.edu> > > > To: <VACRAIG-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:26 AM > > > Subject: [VACRAIG] "The Carpers of Roane County" > > > > > > > Is anyone aware if there is an error in the above book by Peggy > Grubbs? > > > > Specifically in the "marriage" of Elizabeth Harvey and Nicholas Carper > > > > of 1749? > > > > > > > > Many sites seem to indicate that he married and Elizabeth Shrider. > Now, > > > > of course, the two could be the same person. Or not. Does anyone > have > > > > solid evidence one way or the other? I incline toward Shrider, but do > > > > not think Peggy Grubbs would have said Harvey without any reason. > > > > Some might, but she lists much source generally, and I am reluctant to > > > > dismiss her... > > > > > > > > Vince > > > > > > > > (See her info at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~hcpd/norman/CARPER.1 ) > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > > Support RootsWeb! Visit: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > > CHECK YOUR MAILBOXES OFTEN > > Computers automatically delete addresses > > with the third Craig County List Bounce > > > > ==== VACRAIG Mailing List ==== > CRAIG COUNTY GEN-WEB Web Site: