The LDS has a great turn-around time on their 1880 census deal. About a week from order to delivery on mine. Just got mine today. John I haven't been on Va, Carroll for some 4 months due to a E Mail change, but Freddie has it going again. I added some of your Kinfolk to my web page, and made some other changes, you may want to check it out at the URL below. Phillip http://pages.zdnet.com/hatchphil/scolcouisinsonline/