Patti - The xxst, xxnd terminology works for people who are the same number of generations from a common ancestor: siblings share parents 1st cousins share grandparents 2nd cousins share great-grandparents 3rd cousins share great-great-grandparents etc. The "removed" terminology is used when the relationship being described is between two people of different generations (i.e., you are a different number of generations from the common ancestor): You and your second cousin share great-grandparents. You are both three generations "down". You and your second cousin's child are one generation apart. You are second cousins once removed. You are one generation apart ("removed") from being second cousins. Your second cousin's child and your child are third cousins. They are both four generations "down": they share great-great-grandparents. cld -----Original Message----- From: Patti Gigandet <gidget@osrc.org> To: VACAROLI-L@rootsweb.com <VACAROLI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 15, 1999 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Off subject-times removed & no issue >I do know that issue means children, I am currently reading a book that a >gentleman wrote in the 1700s in Scotland, The History of Myddle (an >excellent genealogical find for someone-not for me though-just reading it to >learn how they talked back then), and he talks about all the people he's >known in that town, and he always mentions the men first....and William >Rideley married Isabel Muckleston and they had issue....and then it lists >children's names >But the 2nd thing. I thought that my cousin's child is my 2nd cousin, and >their child is my 3rd, so on....but then again I also thought that my >parent's cousin would be my 2nd cousin > >Patti > >SURNAMES: >Chicago&NJ-Coyne, Niehaus >Mass- Baker, Bourne, Curtis, Chilton, Miller, Newton, Pope, Shaw, Snow, >Standish, Warren, Winslow >Virginia- Leitch, Purcell, Rowe >Japan-Fujii >England- Ollyver, Spinney, Tansley, Throckmorton, Warren, Waterman > > >