Posted on: Caroline Co. Va Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Va/Caroline?read=1280 Surname: PENN, MADISON, TAYLOR ------------------------- I have recently discovered some additional evidence which supports the theory that John Penn, Sr.'s (circa 1680-1741) wife, Elizabeth, was Elizabeth Madison, daughter of John Mad(d)ison who was born about 1655. This John Mad(d)ison seems to be the father of an Ambrose Madison, born circa 1700 who married Frances Taylor, daughter of James Taylor, Jr., and Martha Thompson. Ambrose Madison's bible record lists the birth and baptism information for his three children born in the 1720s Two of his children had Elizabeth Penn as a Godmother. The other Godparents were mainly Madisons, Taylors, or spouses of Madisons or Taylors. There is conflicting information on whether James Taylor, Sr., (d. 1698 in King & Queen Co., VA), father of James Taylor, Jr., (above) had a daughter, Elizabeth, but the accounts which say he did have a daughter, Elizabeth, say that she died young. Therefore, Elizabeth Penn was probably not a Taylor. Elizabeth, probable wife of John Penn, Sr., who died in Caroline Co., VA in 1741, was probably born about 1685. This is because I think the two oldest Penn children were John Penn, Jr. and George Penn and that they were born between 1700-1705. This estimate on John Penn, Jr.'s and George Penn's date of birth is based in large part on a 1727 deed from Thomas Chew to John Penn and George Penn in Spotsylvania Co., VA. Ambrose Madison, a merchant who traded tobacco with England, had an account book covering the years 1725-1726 (a copy of which is lodged with the Shane Collection, at the Presbyterian Historical Society in Philadelphia, PA) in which, among many other people, the names of George Penn, John Penn, Sr., and John Penn, Jr., were listed. This proves that there were two generations of Penns who were living in the Spotsylvania/King & Queen Co., VA area in 1725-1726. George married Ann __?__ (I no longer believe that she was Ann Fleming). John Penn, Jr., who married Mary __?__ and died in Spotsylvania Co., VA in 1772. Finally, John Penn, Sr., was married to Elizabeth __?__ (probably Madison) about 1700 or shortly before. This Elizabeth Penn was the Godmother to two of Ambrose Madison's children in the 1720s. The rumor that John Penn and Lucy Granville were the parents of the four Penn brothers of VA is further weakened by this additional evidence.