Posted on: Caroline Co. Va Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Va/Caroline?read=1288 Surname: ------------------------- I check more on Ann Fleming,I found the Ann married to Josiah Payne was born 1705 to Charles Fleming. The Ann Fleming married to George Penn was born 1706 to William Fleming. If you want to check this out look in Virginia marriages of King and Oueen co. date 1722. Also one of there sons Gabriel middle name is Fleming. There son George 2nd wife was Elizabeth Douglas. I also see where Josiah and Ann daughter married a Madison and there daughter was Dolly Madison. The Penn where also married into the Madison family. My middle name is Madison,my 4th great grandfather James Harrison married Mary Penn and the the Madison name came down though the family. I also see where a Fleming married a Clutterbuck a name on my mothers side. Also my Ann was born in Caroline co in 1706 so you can also check this out. Its in Roots web, Ancester.com,Family search. Also George Penn and Ann Fleming Grandson John Penn was one of the signer of the Decalaration of Independence. I also think William is Charles brother so the Ann would be 1st cousin.