Posted on: Caroline Co. Va Query Forum Board URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Va/Caroline?read=1293 Surname: ------------------------- I must have worded my last message wrong. I said George Penn grandson was the signer. His son Moses was John father. I will send for a copy of the marriege Record of George and Ann in Kings and Queen co. Va. I would like to know for sure myself. I know there is lots of wrong information on the internet. On the Harrison I send for and got records but so far no other line. On Roots web they have Payne as a name change from Penn and Paine from Payne what do you have on this? On the middle name my great grand father first name was Madison so you may be right on that.