On the CAroline marr. rec. for Jones, I see: Judith Catlett md.22 oct 1804 Edmund Jone of Essex Co.; Charles W. Jones md 15 Feb 1834 Mildred C. Yates; Elizabeth Thomas md Thomas Jones 15 oct 1813. That was the only ones I could see. I don't have the Thomas's. Jean > [Original Message] > From: Gerre Byrd <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 4/3/2005 11:34:15 AM > Subject: RE: [VACAROLI] Thomas C. THOMAS & Laberta (Bertie JONES?) > > Virginia, thanks so much for responding. I don't know for sure that her > surname/maiden name was JONES. Just was wondering if anybody out there had > come up with same. > > This would be a good, good clue to your theory being right: > > 1870 > VIRGINIA > CAROLINE > PORT ROYAL TWP (Bowling Green P.O.) > Series: M593 Roll: 1639 Page: 345 > Taylor Bartholomus, 54, Farmer > Taylor Lovica, 54, female, houskeeping > ******Taylor Loberta 20. male, at home > Yaylor Antony, 18, male at home > ******THOMAS THOMAS, 22, male, Farmer > Taylor Washington, 70, male, farmer > > This is the "Bertie" I'm looking for: > > 1860 - Federal Census, VA, Caroline Co., Bowling Green, p. 665, 23 August; > M653, roll 1339 > JONES, Charles W. 44 Farmer > Mildred 47 > Edward 21 Laborer > Sarah A. 20 (b: abt 1840) > Bettie H. 18 > Alice 15 > ******** Laberta W. 11 > Yates, Mildred 60 > > Shes' not in the 1870 census: > > 1870 > VIRGINIA > CAROLINE > BOWLING GREEN TWP > Series: M593 Roll: 1639 Page: 229 > Jones Charles, 56, Male, farmer, b. VA > Jones Mildred, 57, female, housekeeper, b. VA > Jones Betrie H., 25, female. b. VA > Jones Alice, 22, female, b. VA > Where's Bertie, age 19/20? > Jones Wm, 12, male, b. VA > (Note: Entry for "race" for Wm is B (black) > > I found a "Bettie Jones", age 20 in Bowling Green Subd. Dist. This could be > "Bertie". But she is a "black female servant", living with a white family. > HH = Rubin Richardson. Although one of Bertie's brother's name was "Rubin", > I seriously doubt this is my Bertie. > > I say "my Bertie" 'cause she gave birth to Charles H. ENGARD 1872 who is > found in the 1880 cenus with his grandfather, Charles W. JONES. I traced > the Jones Family back and found Bertie, and have made contact with the > descendants who know less than I do. However, one descendant pulled from > her mother that the father was thought to be Thomas Jefferson ENGARD. They > never married. Then one researcher on the Philly list came up with Thomas > C. Thomas. We are probably headed in the wrong direction. I've ordered a > death certificate for Charles H. ENGARD. However, I will be totally > surprised if it names his father as it was never discussed. Charles did > claim to be one of thirteen children, if the descendant has that information > straight. > > Sorry so long. I've not come up with father of your Thomas C., but did > notice a Thomas CATLETT living next door to a Sarah Thomas in the 1850 > Caroline Co. census, listing Thomas C. as 5 year old, among others. Looks > like Sarah may be a widow or "deserted". > > I'm familiar with the CATLETT name as my Aunt worked for a CATLETT in Tulsa, > OK early 1900's. And my mother's first husband had a sister who married a > CATLETT. I love the name. How could anyone forget it? > > Gerre Engard Byrd > Conyers, GA > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 12:24 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Thomas C. THOMAS & Laberta (Bertie JONES?) > > > Hello, GerreI,I `ve been looking for info. on the Thomas Catlette Thomas > and > Bertie for a long, > time .I know very little about them other than they are , the parents of my > grandFather, > on my Mother`s side of our falimy, he being [Willie Taylor Thomas} I knew > his brother , > Thomas Catlette Thomas Jr., and two of his sister`s Mary Nortie, and Bettie. > I did not know Bertie`s last name was Jones , but always though it was > Taylor. > keep looking and I will do the same. every little bit helps right. virginia > greene white > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >