Hello, GerreI,I `ve been looking for info. on the Thomas Catlette Thomas and Bertie for a long, time .I know very little about them other than they are , the parents of my grandFather, on my Mother`s side of our falimy, he being [Willie Taylor Thomas} I knew his brother , Thomas Catlette Thomas Jr., and two of his sister`s Mary Nortie, and Bettie. I did not know Bertie`s last name was Jones , but always though it was Taylor. keep looking and I will do the same. every little bit helps right. virginia greene white
Virginia, thanks so much for responding. I don't know for sure that her surname/maiden name was JONES. Just was wondering if anybody out there had come up with same. This would be a good, good clue to your theory being right: 1870 > VIRGINIA > CAROLINE > PORT ROYAL TWP (Bowling Green P.O.) Series: M593 Roll: 1639 Page: 345 Taylor Bartholomus, 54, Farmer Taylor Lovica, 54, female, houskeeping ******Taylor Loberta 20. male, at home Yaylor Antony, 18, male at home ******THOMAS THOMAS, 22, male, Farmer Taylor Washington, 70, male, farmer This is the "Bertie" I'm looking for: 1860 - Federal Census, VA, Caroline Co., Bowling Green, p. 665, 23 August; M653, roll 1339 JONES, Charles W. 44 Farmer Mildred 47 Edward 21 Laborer Sarah A. 20 (b: abt 1840) Bettie H. 18 Alice 15 ******** Laberta W. 11 Yates, Mildred 60 Shes' not in the 1870 census: 1870 > VIRGINIA > CAROLINE > BOWLING GREEN TWP Series: M593 Roll: 1639 Page: 229 Jones Charles, 56, Male, farmer, b. VA Jones Mildred, 57, female, housekeeper, b. VA Jones Betrie H., 25, female. b. VA Jones Alice, 22, female, b. VA Where's Bertie, age 19/20? Jones Wm, 12, male, b. VA (Note: Entry for "race" for Wm is B (black) I found a "Bettie Jones", age 20 in Bowling Green Subd. Dist. This could be "Bertie". But she is a "black female servant", living with a white family. HH = Rubin Richardson. Although one of Bertie's brother's name was "Rubin", I seriously doubt this is my Bertie. I say "my Bertie" 'cause she gave birth to Charles H. ENGARD 1872 who is found in the 1880 cenus with his grandfather, Charles W. JONES. I traced the Jones Family back and found Bertie, and have made contact with the descendants who know less than I do. However, one descendant pulled from her mother that the father was thought to be Thomas Jefferson ENGARD. They never married. Then one researcher on the Philly list came up with Thomas C. Thomas. We are probably headed in the wrong direction. I've ordered a death certificate for Charles H. ENGARD. However, I will be totally surprised if it names his father as it was never discussed. Charles did claim to be one of thirteen children, if the descendant has that information straight. Sorry so long. I've not come up with father of your Thomas C., but did notice a Thomas CATLETT living next door to a Sarah Thomas in the 1850 Caroline Co. census, listing Thomas C. as 5 year old, among others. Looks like Sarah may be a widow or "deserted". I'm familiar with the CATLETT name as my Aunt worked for a CATLETT in Tulsa, OK early 1900's. And my mother's first husband had a sister who married a CATLETT. I love the name. How could anyone forget it? Gerre Engard Byrd Conyers, GA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 12:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Thomas C. THOMAS & Laberta (Bertie JONES?) Hello, GerreI,I `ve been looking for info. on the Thomas Catlette Thomas and Bertie for a long, time .I know very little about them other than they are , the parents of my grandFather, on my Mother`s side of our falimy, he being [Willie Taylor Thomas} I knew his brother , Thomas Catlette Thomas Jr., and two of his sister`s Mary Nortie, and Bettie. I did not know Bertie`s last name was Jones , but always though it was Taylor. keep looking and I will do the same. every little bit helps right. virginia greene white ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager at [email protected] with any comments, questions or problems you may have regarding your membership.