It can easily get confusing, but here's my try: One way of describing "cousins-removed" is that it is the difference in the number of generational links you and a cousin have back to your common ancestor. (There can also be a further distinction, that being who has the longer or shorter "chain.") 14th Cousin, 9 times removed means: The cousin with the shortest line back to a common ancestor has 15 generations, the other person has 24 [15+9] generations back. (And it is 15 generations, not 14. Remember that ONE generation back are your parents and their other children are your brothers and sisters. TWO generations back are your grandparents and anyone else who shares them with you as your nearest ancestors-in-common are your FIRST cousins. A simple example: The children of your third cousins would be your third cousins, once removed. It may help to understand a specific example by drawing out on paper all of the links involved between two cousins back to their common ancestor. I hope that helps, and doesn't hinder, your understanding. > -----Original Message----- > From: Patti Gigandet [mailto:gidget@osrc.org] > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 3:00 PM > To: VACAROLI-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: 2 questions > > > Hi, got 2 questions here: > Can anyone explain to me what "times removed" means exactly? > Like if I have > a 14th cousin 9 times removed, what does that mean exactly? > Also, looking for the guy who has put posts several times on a Rev > Wiatt/Wyatt, I have a file he might be interested in, if he > doesn't already > have it. Just email me privately, it goes back to Renaissance > England, some > of it's medieval > Patti > > SURNAMES: > Chicago&NJ-Coyne, Niehaus > Mass- Baker, Bourne, Curtis, Chilton, Miller, Newton, Pope, Shaw, Snow, > Standish, Warren, Winslow > Virginia- Leitch, Purcell, Rowe > Japan-Fujii > England- Ollyver, Spinney, Tansley, Throckmorton, Warren, Waterman > >

Becky, The child of your 1st cousin is your 1st cousin once removed. The child of your 1st cousins child is your 1st cousin twice removed. Thanks Billy D. Carr bcarr@neo.rr.com Links to some of my Web Pages http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/r/Billy-D-Carr/ http://home.neo.rr.com/billyc/Copeland.html

Hi Caroline folks: I'll apologize in advance for being OFF SUBJECT! I would like to see the answer to Patti Gigandet's question regarding TIMES REMOVED. I have found a chart that helps you figure out your exact relationship someone, but it does not explain the "removed" part. I will gladly give any interested folks the website for this chart if you email me directly. Also -- another off subject question -- what exactly does "no issue" mean? I've thought that perhaps there was no issue of a marriage bond, etc. If someone could help me, I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks in advance! === Becky Redd Casagrande (genequene@yahoo.com) Researching: REDD (VA/MI); PITTMAN (VA); DEAN (KY); MITCHELL (Northumberland & Lancaster Counties, VA); EDMONDS (VA); SHIRLEY (VA); BRACKETT (KY); BAIN (WV/KY); JETER, SHUCK & HALL (Northumberland/Lancaster Counties, VA); CASAGRANDE (PA/MD/ITALY); PADALETI (PA/MD/ITALY); RANKIN (PA); MUGRAGE (PA) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi, got 2 questions here: Can anyone explain to me what "times removed" means exactly? Like if I have a 14th cousin 9 times removed, what does that mean exactly? Also, looking for the guy who has put posts several times on a Rev Wiatt/Wyatt, I have a file he might be interested in, if he doesn't already have it. Just email me privately, it goes back to Renaissance England, some of it's medieval Patti SURNAMES: Chicago&NJ-Coyne, Niehaus Mass- Baker, Bourne, Curtis, Chilton, Miller, Newton, Pope, Shaw, Snow, Standish, Warren, Winslow Virginia- Leitch, Purcell, Rowe Japan-Fujii England- Ollyver, Spinney, Tansley, Throckmorton, Warren, Waterman

Hi, Becky: I believe "no issue" means that no children were born from the marriage. Joann Ellis Humphries RESEARCHING: Sale, Thomas, Long, Martin, Haynes, Crutcher, and Toombs.

Here's a good source for early records of Fredericksburg, Spotsylvania Co., and Caroline Co.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaspotsy/spotsydb.htm There have been requests for places to find old maps of Caroline Co. There's a site at www.goldbug.com that has old maps but they have really gone commercial since the last time I looked. Does anyone know of any source for finding old maps of Caroline and surrounding counties that you can recommend? Thanks, peg

Just got back from Fredericksburg, Va. and I have some additional names from the cemetery there. It is not a complete list as time was short. Jones,Aubrey B. b. 12 March 1900 d. 2 Jan 1944 same stone ,Gladys P. b.18 Oct 1906 d. 10 May 1984 Jones, Walter A. b. 3 Jan 1875 d. 26 May 1952 , Viola W. b. 6 March 1892 d. 27 May 1945 Chewning, Andrew B. b. 12 Aug 1902 d. 26 April 1981 , Florine D. b. 27 March 1904 d. 8 Dec 1991 Minor, John b. d. 1917 , Floyd b. d. 1817 Apparently brothers and sons of Minor, William J. b. 1880 d. 1965 , Emma L. b. 1885 d. 1975 Minor, Micheal W. Jr. b. 17 Aug 1918 d. 5 March 1983 , Jessie C. b. 1 May 1909 d. 3 Jun 1974 the above may have been brothers Minor, Micheal W. M.D. b. 19 May 1867 d. 31 Jan 1945 , Minnie D. b. 26 Jan 1879 d. 6 March 1964 Sale, Robert B. b. 13 Dec 1907 d. 29 Sept 1956 Sale, Andrew B. b. 29 March 1884 d. 27Aug 1932 , Mollie K. b. 29 April 1879 d. 17 Jan 1961 I also have a Pulliam or two and some Jett's but noone on the list was looking for them. I hope this helps someone. They were in Oak Hill Cemetery in Fredericksburg , but it was originally Spotsylvania County. Frank Pyle

I found a note of interest to me. I'm working on the Barlow family in Caroline County. Here's the quote: Benjamin Toler is given permission to open a road from Goose Pond through the lands of Richard Squire Taylor to the Mankeleek Road. The old (my underlining)road runs between the plantations of Walter Brame & Mary Barlow. 22 June 1795. I've found Goose Pond on the map. Is anyone on this list able to locate either Richard Squire Taylor or Walter Brame in this area? They should both be in the general vicinity of Mary Barlow's (widow of William Barlow, daughter of John Mason) land. I'm also interested in family information for Richard Taylor as one of the few notes I have about my Barlow family says "there's a Miss Taylor somewhere in this line." Thanks for any information Phyllis Solter Mary Barlow's gX4grandaughter

Calling all Caroline Chatateers, Just a reminder to let you know we have a chat scheduled for this Wed., Aug. 11, at 10:00 Eastern Time. Linda will again be the host so when you log on, just sit and wait til Linda asks you to join. We're pretty open as to the topic of discussion but we'd love to hear about any new discoveries or contacts you've made and also if you have some research tools you'd like to pass on to others. Hope to see everyone there on Wed.! For newcomers, if you'd like to join us, please email me privately and I'll tell you how to get set up so you can join us. Peg

Ok, I am a little late for the "names" list....just been one of those months!! I am looking for Sutton's and Cox's.... Thanks.

> >The following files have recently been uploaded to the VA directory of >the USGenWeb Archives: > >http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/wills/w-rut01.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/charlotte/misc/0b16char.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/charlotte/misc/ob15char.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/misc/1776decl.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/roanoke/military/civilwar/pensions/l5500 >000.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/southampton/wills/j5600001.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court33.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court32.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court35.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court34.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/henrico/vitals/marriages/misc0002.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/henrico/churches/stjbapt2.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/richmond/wills/m2420001.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/tazewell/military/revwar/pensions/w35000 >00.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court54.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court55.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court53.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court52.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court36.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court51.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court50.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court49.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court48.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court59.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court58.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court57.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/augusta/court/3court56.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lee/deeds/r2400001.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/amherst/bios/mays1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bath/wills/w-pee01.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/deeds/waldron1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/vitals/johnson1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/wills/wheeler1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/halifax/wills/ferrell1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/louisa/bios/grubbs1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/montgomery/wills/ewing1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/misc/stpete02.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/misc/stpete03.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/misc/stpete04.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/misc/stpete05.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/census/1782tax.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/newkent/census/1790tax.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/patrick/deeds/stovall3.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/patrick/letters/bennett1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pittsylvania/wills/lnthcm1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pittsylvania/wills/yeatts1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/powhatan/wills/gilliam1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pulaski/marriage/gregory2.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/surry/wills/walden1.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/tazewell/marriage/marr8.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/tazewell/bios/absher1.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/halifax/military/revwar/pensions/w240000 >0.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/jamescity/taxlists/1790pers.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/lunenburg/census/1860/pg00001.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/pittsylvania/vitals/deaths/1854.txt > >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/carroll/cemeteries/leonard.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/carroll/cemeteries/phibbs.txt >ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/charlotte/misc/ob11char.txt > >Linda >

Hi everyone, Here's the most recently revised researcher list with a couple new additions: 4th Revised List of Caroline Surname Researchers Anderson Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Arnall ANDREWS155@aol.com Ball ANDREWS155@aol.com Barlow Phyllis Solter (pkessel@olywa.net) Bell Bernie (Maraudermn@aol.com ) Billie Jones (bhjones@flash.net) Bernard Edith Fensom (ecfensom@aol Blackley Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Bland Bernie (Maraudermn@aol.com) Blasingame Patti (gidget@home.gelsen-net.de) Broaddus Peg Price (bearpaw@alaska.net) Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Ed Broadus (ebroadus@freenet.npiec.on.ca) Brooks Peg (bearpaw@alaska.net) Brown Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Lynn Steward (stewla@webtv.net) Bruce Peg (bearpaw@alaska.net) Brunskill Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Bullard Sandra Ferguson (ferg@intelos.net) Burrus Mark Garner (mark.g.garner.sr@lmco.com) Phyllis Solter (pkessel@olywa.net) Cannon Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Carneal/Carnal Ardyth Long (ardyth@ameritech.net) Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Julie Walters ( TANKCORP@aol.com) Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Carr Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Carter Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) Cecil David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Chapman Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) Chewning/Chowning Tiffany Luchetta (TLuchetta@aol.com) Chiles Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Susan Howe (showe@erols.com Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Clark Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Clough Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Coleman Pauline Hale (Pauline.Hale@ Colorado.EDU) Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Crutcher Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Dabney Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Dobson Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Durrett Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Tiffany Luchetta (TLuchetta@aol.com) Elliott David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Estes Glenda Estes (glendae@raex.com) Eubank Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Barbara Self (barself@fls.infi.net) Evans ANDREWS155@aol.com Farish/Faris Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Farmer Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) Garnett Edith Fensom (ecfensom@aol) Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) John and Ann Stoddard (stoddard@bctonline.com) Gloria Gatewood (gatewood@chesapeake.net) Garrett Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) Gayle Eldred Melton (EMelton532@aol.com) George Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Gooch Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Goodloe/Goodlaw Virginia Thomson (VAThomson@aol.com) Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) Gouldin Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Graham Graham Louer (glouer@webtv.net) Grimes Graham Louer (glouer@webtv.net) Halley Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Harris Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Hawes Virginia Thomson (VAThomson@aol.com) Haynes/Haines/Hanes Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Hollis Graham Louer (glouer@webtv.net) James John and Ann Stoddard (stoddard@bctonline.com) Jones Frank Pyle (Emrays@webtv.net) David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) ANDREWS155@aol.com Jordan Edith Fensom (ecfensom@aol) Kemp Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) John and Ann Stoddard (stoddard@bctonline.com) King Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Knighton Graham Louer (glouer@webtv.net) Layne Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Leitch Patti (gidget@home.gelsen-net.de) Long Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Loving Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) John and Ann Stoddard (stoddard@bctonline.com) Lumpkin Peg (bearpaw@alaska.net) Linda Butt(lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) Marshall Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Martin Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Mason Laurence Dickerson (laurence@wi.net) Tiffany Luchetta (TLuchetta@aol.com) McGehee/McGhee Susan Howe (showe@erols.com) Mills Julie Walters (TANKCORP@aol.com) Minor Frank Pyle (Emrays@webtv.net) Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) Motley Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Peg (bearpaw@alaska.net) Noel Gloria Gatewood (gatewood@chesapeake.net) Norment Diane Bender (exeline@erols.com) Overton Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Page Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Pamplin Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Pavy David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Peyton Patti (gidget@home.gelsen-net.de) Pickett Graham Louer (glouer@webtv.net) Pittman ANDREWS155@aol.com Plant Oma Stevens (omaste@wcnet.net) Pleasants Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Purcell David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) William Purcell (PRET1030@aol.com) Patti (gidget@home.gelsen-net.de) Quarles Virginia Thomson (VAThomson@aol.com) Redd Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Peg Price (bearpaw@alaska.net) Becky Redd Casagrande (genequene@yahoo.com) Gloria Gatewood (gatewood@chesapeake.net) Richerson Buckner Richerson (buckphyll@worldnet.att.net) Robinson Bernie (Maraudermn@aol.com) Roebuck Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Rowe David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Billie Jones (bhjones@flash.net) Patti (gidget@home.gelsen-net.de) Royston Jean Roystone (jroyston@mindspring.com) Sale Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Peg Price (bearpaw@alaska.net) Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Saunders Mary B (mbrewer655@aol.com) Scott Pauline Hale (Pauline.Hale@Colorado.EDU) Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Self Bruce Haynes (BHaynes@SCB.STATE.VA.US) Smith Tiffany Luchetta (TLuchetta@aol.com) Smoot David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Sneed/Snead Pauline Hale (Pauline.Hale@Colorado.EDU) Spindle Carol May (Send2carol@aol.com) Taylor Gloria Gatewood (gatewood@chesapeake.net) Terrell Mark Garner (mark.g.garner.sr@lmco.com) Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Thompson/Thomson Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Tiller Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Thomas Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Toombs Joann Ellis Humphries (JoannEllis@aol.com) Trice Peg Price (bearpaw@alaska.net) Twiggs Mark Garner (mark.g.garner.sr@lmco.com) Vivion Dorothy (dorothy@napanet.net) Wharton ANDREWS155@aol.com Walden Eldred Melton (EMelton532@aol.com) Woodson Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) West Ben West (bmwest@usit.net) Alyce (WASIKTJ@aol.com) Wharton Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) Woolfolk Mark Garner (mark.g.garner.sr@lmco.com) Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Wortham Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com) Wright Linda Butt (lindaleebutt@worldnet.att.net) Carol May(Send2carol@aol.com) Peg Price (bearpaw@alaska.net) David Wiley (deedah@bellatlantic.net) Billie Jones (bhjones@flash.net) Wyatt Charles L. Dibble (dibblelaw@email.msn.com)

Hi everyone, I don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but Herbert Ridgeway Collins has a new Caroline Co. book being published soon. It is Caroline County, Virginia, Bureau of Vital Statistics Death Records, 1853-1896. The pre-publication price until Sept. 30, 1999 is $29.50. After that it will be $33.00. I saw this in the Heritage Books Catalog. It is item #C546. The no. is 1-800-398-7709 or www.heritagebooks.com Again, no affiliation with Heritage books, just saw it in the catalog. Edith

Can anyone help with any further information on these folks?? 1850 census of Caroline - ?probably near Guiney 496/497 - Household - [see 1864 letter below] Jas. A. Johnson 22 KY (bc 1828) Sarah M. McLaughlin 37 VA Elizabeth Connor 60 VA - who is she? NOTE: Sarah M.C. Johnson m 1837 John Vivion McLaughlin b 1802 & d 1844 Who are these Johnsons???? 497/498 - Household Elizabeth R. Marshall 48 Va Susan M.C. Marshall 17 Va NOTE: Elizabeth R. Marshall - widow of Benjamin Marshall - they had married 1817. She was nee Coleman, dtr of Farish Coleman & Catherine Rogers. Who was Benjamin Marshall ? 498/497 - Household Richard Norment 45 Va (bc 1805) - his wife was Charlotte F. Samuel m 1826 - she was apparently dec'd before 1850. There were a number of Norment children in this household Chas. F. Norment 47 Va (bc 1803) Who are these Norments? 499/500 Philip Samuel 39 Sarah W. 39 - she was Sarah Woolfolk Hill - granddaughter of Paul Woolfolk Letter of Robert Andrew Nelson to his sister, Mary Ann Nelson w/o Rice Williams Schooler of Caroline Co., Va. dated 7 Jun 1864…..he is of Mercer Co., Ky. This was written just after the great Civil War battle in Caroline Co. My Dear Sister...............William Connor was in Lexington [Ky] a few days since. He heard that Mrs. McLaughlin was dead & that James Johnson was either dead or gone from the neighborhood. I hope that you will respond to this letter immediately upon its reception and state all in reference to our relations & and the ravages of the Army in your vicinity. Note: Robert Andrew Nelson's wife = Sarah Marshall Connor b 1812 Caroline Co- her brother was William Connor = b 1810 Caroline - they were children of Francis Connor** m 1809 Caroline, Sarah Woolfolk Jones* between 1810 & 1820 they had moved to Fayette Co., Ky. Rice Williams Schooler is also a cousin of Francis Connor** Sarah Woolfolk Jones Connor* - her 1st cousin was Amelia Bridges who married 1803 Nathaniel Norment - could the above Norments be her children? Any help appreciated - Anne Baker

Hi everyone, Another new project is being started for pension files of various wars. Here's part of the message announcing it: With the announcement of the USGenWeb Archives Pensions Project, the interest and participation has grown tremendously! Please visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/ The USGenWeb Archives Pensions Project is accepting transcriptions and extracts of pension related material to be uploaded to the state/county/military directories of the principal residence of the pensioner. It is my hope that the State Coordinators, County Coordinators and Town hosts will find this a valuable resource to link to. Please join the USGenWeb Archives Pensions Project as they embark on this project! We look forward to working with you! Tina Vickery http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/pensions/

Bob, I think there is information on early Baptist churches in Caroline in Marshall Wingfield's History of Caroline Co., VA. I took it back to the public library last week so I can't check for you. There might also be general info on early Baptist churches in a book on Baptist history. Caroline Co. was where several Baptist dissenters went to jail for their belief in religious freedom. I have a couple of Baptist history books in my church library that I keep forgetting to bring home. As Peg said, the VA Baptist Historical Society is an excellent source. Edith >I am seeking information on the first or earliest Baptist Churches in Saint >Margarets Parish, King William Co., now Caroline Co., VA. > >Would you have an address of an historian or society or school who would >know the very early history of the Baptist in that area?

Seven Baptist churches in Caroline Co. went out of existence in 1941 when the Federal Government purchased several thousand acres of improved land for Fort A.P. Hill. "Three white Baptist churches - Bethesda founded in 1848, Liberty in 1811, and Zion in 1774 - and four Negro Baptist churches. . . The 3 white churches had a total membership between 700 and 800 and the 4 Negro churches about 400." These churches were a part of Hermon Association. This is from A History of Baptists in Virginia by Reuben E. Alley, c1973. Edith

Thank you for the address for Herbert Collins. The cemetery in question is technically in Spotsylvania County, but it made the Caroline book. He listed five burials, but I know of sixteen others, all unmarked. Hopefully they will make some future revision of the book. Larry Dickerson

Hi Larry, Herbert Collins address is 3510 No. Pershing Drive, Arlington, Virginia 22201. I know he will be more than happy to have information to add to his books. Gloria V. Gatewood -----Original Message----- From: VACAROLI-D-request@rootsweb.com <VACAROLI-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: VACAROLI-D@rootsweb.com <VACAROLI-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 01, 1999 6:22 PM Subject: VACAROLI-D Digest V99 #100

At a library yesterday I came across a book entitled "People, Postoffices and Communities in Caroline County, Virginia, 1727-1969" by Rev. Ralph Emmet Fall. In the book he describes a house in the Reedy Church District called 'Frog Pond' as "a frame house, originally 1-1/2 stories, raised to two stories in about 1900, with seven rooms, was built c. 1790. Owners: James Dyson, one of the first owners; Dr. L.C. Pollard, who lived here a few years prior to 1860; William Freeman, c. 1861, in whose family the house remained afterward. South of the house is the Dyson family graveyard without markers." I am descended from James Dyson. The book seems to tally with my grandmother's description of a house pointed out to her many years ago as belonging to her great-grandparents. Dr. Pollard moving in prior to 1860 coincides with the fact that James Dyson and his wife both died c. 1856. I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything about this house or the cemetery. Is this the 'Dyson-Barnett-Dimue-Thomas' graveyard listed in Volume 2 of Caroline County Cemeteries, or is this a different one that isn't in the book? Larry Dickerson