There are three species of Poisonous Snakes in Va., Cottonmouth Moccasin, Rattle Snake and Copperhead. They are all dangerous and should not be handled. Most all snakes hibernate during the freezeing season, usually between November and April. Do not lift old tin, boards or other material under which a snake can hide. Rattle snakes give a warning by rattling the rattles on their tail. Copperheads are sneaky and will strike from the weeds beside a path, water moccicans are usually near creeks or rivers and will bite in the water as well as on land. Carry a strong stick and beat the weeds ahead of you and usually the snakes will run away. Good Luck! G. Lee Hearl Authentic Appalachian Storyteller Abingdon, Va.

There will probably be snakes in the area but most likely won't bother you. Just make make a little noise when in the woods and wear sturdy shoes and socks. Most of the snakes are nonpoisonous. The cottonmouth water moccasin and copperhead are the poisonous ones. They have hooded eyes while the nonpoisonous ones have round eyes. A sturdy stick probably wouldn't hurt either. Just be alert and you should be okay. Usually they are as scared of you as you are of them. You also need some sort of insect repellent for mosquitoes and chiggers. Check your skin for ticks too. Wearing a hat helps. Also watch out for poison ivy. It has 3 shiny leaves with a reddish stem. Leaves of three, let them be. Be sure to take a shower when you come in from tramping in the woods if you've been near poison ivy. The itchy rash can make you miserable. http://poisonivy.aesir.com/ Don't mean to scare you. Where you are going may be fully developed and you might not find yourself tramping through the woods. Edith > From: [email protected] > Thanks for the information. I was planning on the end of August beginning > of September. I live in California. Are the snakes poisonous ? I have been > trying to study maps from the civil war and locate properties and where > cemeteries are. Thank you

Thanks for the information. I was planning on the end of August beginning of September. I live in California. Are the snakes poisonous ? I have been trying to study maps from the civil war and locate properties and where cemeteries are. Thank you Tiffany

Winter is the best time to avoid snakes in VA. A friend just found a black snake in her bedroom closet. Scary. Edith > From: [email protected] > Diane > > I am planning a trip to Caroline and Spotsylvania Counties at the end > of summer. Could you tell me when snake season is. I would like to avoid > snakes if possible. Thank you. > > Tiffany Luchetta

Depends on the snake. You might want to take a quick online course of poisonous snakes. As you can see from my signature line, I do a lot of cemetery photography, so here's some advice: <G> 1. Buy hiking boots that come above the ankles. I bought a cheap pair from Walmart. They don't have to be high quality, just protection from snakes, ticks and chiggers (if you don't know what chiggers are, you are DEFINITELY not from the south.) 2. Carry a fully charged cordless phone. If yours has analog, as well as digital reception, all the better. (Cemeteries are rarely near cell towers) 3. WEAR bug spray and sunscreen. You will get busy and forget the time. Be prepared. Also wear JEANS or long pants. No shorts or skirts. Pants give you added protection against bugs and snake bites. 4. Carry something to cut back weeds. Big brush should be avoided. THINK SNAKES We also carry a small whisk broom for getting rid of dirt and dust. If you move a flower arrangement, PUT IT BACK. 5. Ask permission before entering a cemetery. It might be your great-great grandfather, but your second cousin living next door and his rifle don't know that. I promise he will shoot and ask questions at the emergency room later. Don't risk it. 6. Buy a good digital camera that uses AA batteries and LOTS of memory. Take lots of images from lots of angles. You won't regret it. The camera batteries that come with the camera don't last that much longer than a good pack of AA batteries (name brand ONLY) and you can't buy those specialty batteries at the convenient store in down town Podunk Holler. 7. Snakes HAVE NO SEASON. The reason snakes hang out in cemeteries is that they are 1) quiet (so make lots of noise). 2) They have large stones which hold heat (try not to get too close to large flat tombstones) 3) They are usually near woods which are full of food (be especially careful in wooded cemeteries. Even in winter, on warm days, snakes will come out to warm themselves. While they are more prevalent in the spring and fall when the days are cool and animals are breeding (think food), they can be seen in the south year round. Just because you don't see him, doesn't mean he doesn't see you by the way. Take care when you see one and avoid it as much as possible. EXCEPT: If you can, take lots of pictures from afar. We once saw one that was almost 11 feet long. I didn't take pictures and now I totally regret it. 8. Take snacks. You probably won't be passing many restaurants along the way. But drink as little as possible. (ditto bathrooms. <G>) 9. Take a partner if at all possible. Often when we get hurt, we are unable to call for help. Know where you are. 911 can not find you based on the call from a cell phone. Better yet, get the local numbers for police and rescue before you leave to go out for the day. Carry a good map, so you can give them good directions to where you are. But most importantly before you get out of the car, both partners should know where you are. 10. Have a business card printed up with your contact information now before you leave. They are cheap and give you something to leave with you when you go to that house to announce your arrival. The lady at the door is most likely married to a distant cousin. They will know someone who is into family history. Leave two. One for them to know you are legit and one to pass onto that someone who is into family history. You won't regret the cost. 11. And finally, once you get home, POST THE PICTURES ONLINE. Save the rest of your cousins from having to traipse through a snake filled cemetery. <G> Be sure and take a good bath when you get back to the hotel. Have your partner check your hair for ticks. You are planning on coming at a time we here in the south call Summer. It will be very hot and muggy. Take a change of clothes with you so you can change while you are out. Take lots of water, and stay hydrated. Make sure you have your contact information on both you and the car incase you get lost or hurt. You probably won't need it as we in the south love our "company", but if you do, you will be glad you took the time. Have a good anti-itch cream in your suitcase in case you get a tick or chigger bite. Don't scratch, it just makes it worse (that was me channeling my grandmother. LOL) P. S. The beautiful white weed on the sides of our highways, is known officially as "Queen Anne's Lace." We call it chigger weed. If you decide to pick it, be prepared to be itchy. <G> Teresa Ghee Elliott All links start with http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery and then add Rutherford Co., TN cemeteries: see above TMG sentence structures: /TMG.html Descendants of James Edde of Bedford County, TN /EDDE/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re:Locust Grove, 1 mi. S. of Central Point, Va. Thanks for the information. I was planning on the end of August beginning of September. I live in California. Are the snakes poisonous ? I have been trying to study maps from the civil war and locate properties and where cemeteries are. Thank you Tiffany ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager at [email protected] with any comments, questions or problems you may have regarding your membership.

Diane I am planning a trip to Caroline and Spotsylvania Counties at the end of summer. Could you tell me when snake season is. I would like to avoid snakes if possible. Thank you. Tiffany Luchetta

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IBC.2ACI/2486 Message Board Post: need info on lewis russell collins born 2-16-1795 in va. possibly caroline co. wife's name rebecca. later moved to al died there in1877. their child mary jane collins maried james james lankford. all 4are buried in dekalb co. al. need any info at all on lewis and rebecca they are my ggg grand-parents. thank you. [email protected]

Carter - if you don't mind - what do you have on Plain Dealing(s)? the home of John Wyatt? I know it was on the N. Anna River near the Louisa County line. Once snake season is over we plan go drive down there and look around - most of the area is still very rural, particularly along the river... surprising... but that was what I was told! Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: [VACAROLI] Locust Grove, 1 mi. S. of Central Point, Va. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SKINNER, ROUSE, TAYLOR, TUCKER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/IBC.2ACI/2478.1 Message Board Post: Hello Francis, I believe we corresponded on this subject back in 2000. I have since acquired a book titled: "People, Postoiffices and Communities in Caroline County, Virginia 1727-1969" by Ralph Emmett Fall. On pg. 91 it says: "Locust Grove," a frame house, 1-1/2 stories, five rooms, was erected c. 1840-1850, about a mile south of Central Point, on Rt. 625. Owners: Willis Pitts; George Loving (March 17, 1875), Robert N. & Alarice L. Butler (March 18, 1875); Rolander N. Butler, son (March 14, 1919, & owner in 1937). Robert N. Butler was 1st Lieutenant under Capt. Wilson in the Civil War. Meat & other possessions were taken from the house at that time, by passing Union troops. The author's note for that section references W.P.A., Vol. 2, Selma Farmer, Sept. 27, 1937; Rolander N. Butler, Central Point. Samuel Fauntleroy Rouse is listed as a farmer in Central Point in a 1906 directory. I'm not sure what information you may already have but I'd be glad help where I can. Carter Skinner ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager at [email protected] with any comments, questions or problems you may have regarding your membership. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.10/25 - Release Date: 6/21/2005

Carter, I've seen this book in the LDS library. Would you mind letting me know where you bought it? I'd like to have a copy too -- I found it very interesting. Tracey Robinson ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: [VACAROLI] Locust Grove, 1 mi. S. of Central Point, Va. > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: SKINNER, ROUSE, TAYLOR, TUCKER > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/IBC.2ACI/2478.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Hello Francis, > > I believe we corresponded on this subject back in 2000. I have since > acquired a book titled: "People, Postoiffices and Communities in Caroline > County, Virginia 1727-1969" by Ralph Emmett Fall. On pg. 91 it says: > > "Locust Grove," a frame house, 1-1/2 stories, five rooms, was erected c. > 1840-1850, about a mile south of Central Point, on Rt. 625. Owners: > Willis Pitts; George Loving (March 17, 1875), Robert N. & Alarice L. > Butler (March 18, 1875); Rolander N. Butler, son (March 14, 1919, & owner > in 1937). Robert N. Butler was 1st Lieutenant under Capt. Wilson in the > Civil War. Meat & other possessions were taken from the house at that > time, by passing Union troops. > > The author's note for that section references W.P.A., Vol. 2, Selma > Farmer, Sept. 27, 1937; Rolander N. Butler, Central Point. > > Samuel Fauntleroy Rouse is listed as a farmer in Central Point in a 1906 > directory. > > I'm not sure what information you may already have but I'd be glad help > where I can. > > Carter Skinner > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: SKINNER, ROUSE, TAYLOR, TUCKER Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/IBC.2ACI/2478.1 Message Board Post: Hello Francis, I believe we corresponded on this subject back in 2000. I have since acquired a book titled: "People, Postoiffices and Communities in Caroline County, Virginia 1727-1969" by Ralph Emmett Fall. On pg. 91 it says: "Locust Grove," a frame house, 1-1/2 stories, five rooms, was erected c. 1840-1850, about a mile south of Central Point, on Rt. 625. Owners: Willis Pitts; George Loving (March 17, 1875), Robert N. & Alarice L. Butler (March 18, 1875); Rolander N. Butler, son (March 14, 1919, & owner in 1937). Robert N. Butler was 1st Lieutenant under Capt. Wilson in the Civil War. Meat & other possessions were taken from the house at that time, by passing Union troops. The author's note for that section references W.P.A., Vol. 2, Selma Farmer, Sept. 27, 1937; Rolander N. Butler, Central Point. Samuel Fauntleroy Rouse is listed as a farmer in Central Point in a 1906 directory. I'm not sure what information you may already have but I'd be glad help where I can. Carter Skinner

Well, if they "should", they aren't alone. My missing link (and all his children) don't show up in1860 either. He enlisted in Davidson County, TN, and I plan on looking for him there when school starts. But Ancestry, and the TN census index books do not mention him. I have tried every spelling of the name known to man. Even read the entire county he should have been in myself on more than on occasion. Even the kids are missing that year. Teresa Ghee Elliott All links start with http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery and then add Rutherford Co., TN cemeteries: see above TMG sentence structures: /TMG.html Descendants of James Edde of Bedford County, TN /EDDE/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Julie Lofurno [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:54 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 Gail, I thought about the fact that David & Walter might be living with someone else in 1860, but then wouldn't their names at least show up on the Ancestry.com 1860 index which lists everyone in each household? They both enlisted in the Caroline Light Dragoons and fought in Virginia, so they ought to be in Virginia somewhere. I have looked EVERYWHERE. I've even browsed the entire Caroline Co. census page by page to no avail. Julie Gail Moore <[email protected]> wrote: If Diane does not have a suggestion, I happen to have one perhaps. It could be they are not showing up if using an index of only Heads of Household as they may have been living for a time with another family in a place where they wanted to enlist at. My Andrew Jackson on one of the US Censuses if found under this manner.................................. His Mother and siblings left and went to Fulton Co., GA he is still back in Cherokee Ct. AL with a neighbor family awaiting to enlist into the 19th AL. Inf. out of Centre............... Just a thought! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Lofurno" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Diane, > I haven't been following this discussing, but you are doing exactly the > same thing with your research that I am....I'm not to the point where I'm > comfortable putting it all online. No particular reason. Part of it is > because I don't know how to do it either! (LOL) > > Anyway, I have a particular question for you. I have never been able to > find my husband's great-grandfather David Cash on the 1860 Virginia > census. He lived and died in Caroline County and is on every other census > between 1840-1910. He did fight in the Civil War, so I'm wondering if > that had anything to do with his not being enumerated. Interestingly, > David's brother Walter Cash (who also fought in the war) is not on the > 1860 census either. Recently I had a chance to help someone locate their > ancestors on the 1860 census in Kentucky and Illinois....same thing. They > are nowhere to be found in 1860. > > Have you run across this type of thing with any of your ancestors who > fought in the war? If so, do you have an explanation since the war did > not even start until the following year? > > Julie > > Diane S wrote: > Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into > softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not > for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may > even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take > years! With those, the story almost tells itself. > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Moore > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they > are > all gone who will ever even know. > Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can > all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane S" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > >> Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there >> were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is >> insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of the >> brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the >> war - >> there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three >> captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So >> many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to >> keep their legacy alive! >> Diane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gail Moore >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other >> stuff >> can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in >> the >> woods and such. If so I would give it a try. >> I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later >> join >> a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a >> correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors >> deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the >> place >> we call home today! >> If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane S" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> > Hi - >> > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - not >> > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping >> > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we >> can >> > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York >> > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a >> > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know another >> > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed >> his >> > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined >> them >> > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and >> you >> > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( >> > Diane >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM >> > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> > >> > >> > Hi Diane, >> > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in >> Caroline >> > Co., so it does say something, right? >> > Shirley >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> > at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> > or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: >> 6/17/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), >> > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), >> > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, >> be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. >> Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, >> they will only see your response when it is made through the board. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > CAROLINE CO. 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Happy Tuesday Evening Listers... A favor to ask please --- that listers delete previous posts before clicking "reply all." Such a move allows us all to read and engage actively in the posts --- without trying to re-read several messages that have already been posted...along with listserv ads that garble up the page. Specific subject headers are also way more fun -- it allows everyone to know where the conversation is headed. Best regards Traci Wilson-Kleekamp

Sorry I do not have a suggestion - never ran into that specific problem but I do have a problem with the oldest census not naming the members of the family - jut putting how many of each sex in each age category - that is of little help at all! By the Civil War my folks were in Ga and S.C. having left Virginia not long after the Revolution - guess they waited so they could travel safely, although they seemed to always travel in groups with plenty of adult men and rifles - guess the Indians were a problem too. If I think of anything or run across something similar, I will let you know. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Moore To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 If Diane does not have a suggestion, I happen to have one perhaps. It could be they are not showing up if using an index of only Heads of Household as they may have been living for a time with another family in a place where they wanted to enlist at. My Andrew Jackson on one of the US Censuses if found under this manner.................................. His Mother and siblings left and went to Fulton Co., GA he is still back in Cherokee Ct. AL with a neighbor family awaiting to enlist into the 19th AL. Inf. out of Centre............... Just a thought! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Lofurno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Diane, > I haven't been following this discussing, but you are doing exactly the > same thing with your research that I am....I'm not to the point where I'm > comfortable putting it all online. No particular reason. Part of it is > because I don't know how to do it either! (LOL) > > Anyway, I have a particular question for you. I have never been able to > find my husband's great-grandfather David Cash on the 1860 Virginia > census. He lived and died in Caroline County and is on every other census > between 1840-1910. He did fight in the Civil War, so I'm wondering if > that had anything to do with his not being enumerated. Interestingly, > David's brother Walter Cash (who also fought in the war) is not on the > 1860 census either. Recently I had a chance to help someone locate their > ancestors on the 1860 census in Kentucky and Illinois....same thing. They > are nowhere to be found in 1860. > > Have you run across this type of thing with any of your ancestors who > fought in the war? If so, do you have an explanation since the war did > not even start until the following year? > > Julie > > Diane S <[email protected]> wrote: > Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into > softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not > for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may > even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take > years! With those, the story almost tells itself. > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Moore > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they > are > all gone who will ever even know. > Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can > all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane S" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > >> Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there >> were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is >> insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of the >> brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the >> war - >> there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three >> captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So >> many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to >> keep their legacy alive! >> Diane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gail Moore >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other >> stuff >> can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in >> the >> woods and such. If so I would give it a try. >> I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later >> join >> a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a >> correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors >> deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the >> place >> we call home today! >> If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane S" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> > Hi - >> > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - not >> > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping >> > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we >> can >> > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York >> > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a >> > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know another >> > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed >> his >> > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined >> them >> > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and >> you >> > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( >> > Diane >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM >> > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> > >> > >> > Hi Diane, >> > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in >> Caroline >> > Co., so it does say something, right? >> > Shirley >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> > at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> > or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: >> 6/17/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), >> > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), >> > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, >> be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. >> Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, >> they will only see your response when it is made through the board. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > CAROLINE CO. 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How old was your David Cash in 1840? What year was he born? Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Lofurno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Gail, > > I thought about the fact that David & Walter might be living with someone > else in 1860, but then wouldn't their names at least show up on the > Ancestry.com 1860 index which lists everyone in each household? They both > enlisted in the Caroline Light Dragoons and fought in Virginia, so they > ought to be in Virginia somewhere. I have looked EVERYWHERE. I've even > browsed the entire Caroline Co. census page by page to no avail. > > Julie > > Gail Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > If Diane does not have a suggestion, I happen to have one perhaps. > It could be they are not showing up if using an index of only Heads of > Household as they may have been living for a time with another family in a > place where they wanted to enlist at. > My Andrew Jackson on one of the US Censuses if found under this > manner.................................. > His Mother and siblings left and went to Fulton Co., GA he is still back > in > Cherokee Ct. AL with a neighbor family awaiting to enlist into the 19th > AL. > Inf. out of Centre............... > Just a thought! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Lofurno" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:56 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > > >> Diane, >> I haven't been following this discussing, but you are doing exactly the >> same thing with your research that I am....I'm not to the point where I'm >> comfortable putting it all online. No particular reason. Part of it is >> because I don't know how to do it either! (LOL) >> >> Anyway, I have a particular question for you. I have never been able to >> find my husband's great-grandfather David Cash on the 1860 Virginia >> census. He lived and died in Caroline County and is on every other census >> between 1840-1910. He did fight in the Civil War, so I'm wondering if >> that had anything to do with his not being enumerated. Interestingly, >> David's brother Walter Cash (who also fought in the war) is not on the >> 1860 census either. Recently I had a chance to help someone locate their >> ancestors on the 1860 census in Kentucky and Illinois....same thing. They >> are nowhere to be found in 1860. >> >> Have you run across this type of thing with any of your ancestors who >> fought in the war? If so, do you have an explanation since the war did >> not even start until the following year? >> >> Julie >> >> Diane S wrote: >> Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into >> softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not >> for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may >> even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take >> years! With those, the story almost tells itself. >> Diane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gail Moore >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they >> are >> all gone who will ever even know. >> Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can >> all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane S" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >>> Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there >>> were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is >>> insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of >>> the >>> brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the >>> war - >>> there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three >>> captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So >>> many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to >>> keep their legacy alive! >>> Diane >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Gail Moore >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> >>> >>> That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other >>> stuff >>> can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in >>> the >>> woods and such. If so I would give it a try. >>> I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later >>> join >>> a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a >>> correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors >>> deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the >>> place >>> we call home today! >>> If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! >>> Gail >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Diane S" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> >>> >>> > Hi - >>> > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - >>> > not >>> > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping >>> > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we >>> can >>> > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York >>> > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a >>> > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know >>> > another >>> > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed >>> his >>> > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined >>> them >>> > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and >>> you >>> > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( >>> > Diane >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM >>> > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Diane, >>> > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in >>> Caroline >>> > Co., so it does say something, right? >>> > Shirley >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >>> > at [email protected] with any comments, questions >>> > or problems you may have regarding your membership. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: >>> 6/17/2005 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), >>> > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), >>> > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, >>> be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. >>> Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, >>> they will only see your response when it is made through the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >>> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >>> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >>> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> CAROLINE CO. 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Sign up for Fantasy Football >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> >> > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > at [email protected]m with any comments, questions > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). > >

About the index, it is only as good as the folks that did it. Sometimes people got missed. Sometimes the names were hard to make out or they could not read them. In some cases in the 1860 I have seen names misspelled by the census taker and even people with different names........................Say for instance If someone was named John William Adams....................one year he may show up as John and another as William and with both common names to begin with this makes for a huge mess. However if you have searched the census page by page already, then unless you miss him........................he is just not there. You may in fact end up using this Military data to prove he was alive and well and have to skip the year 1860 altogether...................... Also try other sources to prove information about him. Try Tax lists and Wills and thing such as this. Even the old Ct. Minutes come in handy at times. Let's face it..................for what ever reason some of our People seemed to be hiding out when the census taker came to call. If all else fails I would try the surrounding Counties as well. He could have been living at the time, just over the line and ended up being counted in someone elses household in a surrounding County. Did in his military records it say what County he hailed from by any chance? I know that some records give a lot of detail and some of the Military records for the Civil War give very little at all. Who were they realted to by this point in time, try searching under that surname to bring up relatives then see if they were hidding out in their homes. Always note Using ancestry is good, but mistakes are made. That is why we always need to check the org. when possible. In your case you may have to use the Org. in order to locate them at all. Do you have them in 1850 and 1870? If so you may end up again as I said before just having to skip that one census for them and go on. I too have had to do this a few times. Good luck to you with this. You do have a hard one to solve here. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Lofurno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Gail, > > I thought about the fact that David & Walter might be living with someone > else in 1860, but then wouldn't their names at least show up on the > Ancestry.com 1860 index which lists everyone in each household? They both > enlisted in the Caroline Light Dragoons and fought in Virginia, so they > ought to be in Virginia somewhere. I have looked EVERYWHERE. I've even > browsed the entire Caroline Co. census page by page to no avail. > > Julie > > Gail Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > If Diane does not have a suggestion, I happen to have one perhaps. > It could be they are not showing up if using an index of only Heads of > Household as they may have been living for a time with another family in a > place where they wanted to enlist at. > My Andrew Jackson on one of the US Censuses if found under this > manner.................................. > His Mother and siblings left and went to Fulton Co., GA he is still back > in > Cherokee Ct. AL with a neighbor family awaiting to enlist into the 19th > AL. > Inf. out of Centre............... > Just a thought! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julie Lofurno" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:56 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > > >> Diane, >> I haven't been following this discussing, but you are doing exactly the >> same thing with your research that I am....I'm not to the point where I'm >> comfortable putting it all online. No particular reason. Part of it is >> because I don't know how to do it either! (LOL) >> >> Anyway, I have a particular question for you. I have never been able to >> find my husband's great-grandfather David Cash on the 1860 Virginia >> census. He lived and died in Caroline County and is on every other census >> between 1840-1910. He did fight in the Civil War, so I'm wondering if >> that had anything to do with his not being enumerated. Interestingly, >> David's brother Walter Cash (who also fought in the war) is not on the >> 1860 census either. Recently I had a chance to help someone locate their >> ancestors on the 1860 census in Kentucky and Illinois....same thing. They >> are nowhere to be found in 1860. >> >> Have you run across this type of thing with any of your ancestors who >> fought in the war? If so, do you have an explanation since the war did >> not even start until the following year? >> >> Julie >> >> Diane S wrote: >> Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into >> softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not >> for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may >> even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take >> years! With those, the story almost tells itself. >> Diane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gail Moore >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they >> are >> all gone who will ever even know. >> Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can >> all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane S" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >>> Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there >>> were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is >>> insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of >>> the >>> brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the >>> war - >>> there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three >>> captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So >>> many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to >>> keep their legacy alive! >>> Diane >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Gail Moore >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> >>> >>> That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other >>> stuff >>> can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in >>> the >>> woods and such. If so I would give it a try. >>> I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later >>> join >>> a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a >>> correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors >>> deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the >>> place >>> we call home today! >>> If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! >>> Gail >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Diane S" >>> To: >>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> >>> >>> > Hi - >>> > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - >>> > not >>> > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping >>> > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we >>> can >>> > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York >>> > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a >>> > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know >>> > another >>> > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed >>> his >>> > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined >>> them >>> > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and >>> you >>> > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( >>> > Diane >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: [email protected] >>> > To: [email protected] >>> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM >>> > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Diane, >>> > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in >>> Caroline >>> > Co., so it does say something, right? >>> > Shirley >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >>> > at [email protected] with any comments, questions >>> > or problems you may have regarding your membership. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > No virus found in this incoming message. >>> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: >>> 6/17/2005 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), >>> > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), >>> > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, >>> be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. >>> Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, >>> they will only see your response when it is made through the board. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >>> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >>> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >>> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >>> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> CAROLINE CO. VAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacaroli/caroline.htm >> RESOURCE PAGE: http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/VA/Caroline >> CAROLINE CO. GENFORUM: http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/caroline/ >> MAIL LIST PAGE: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/VA/caroline.html >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> CAROLINE CO. VAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacaroli/caroline.htm >> RESOURCE PAGE: http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/VA/Caroline >> CAROLINE CO. GENFORUM: http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/caroline/ >> MAIL LIST PAGE: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/VA/caroline.html >> >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Sports >> Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> >> > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Sports > Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). > >

Thanks Lorris How sweet of you. I just posted to her off list "Julia" that is about the where they may have been during the 1860 census. Hope it helps her out some. It worked for me. Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Diane & Julia, > > Since you both are interested in the dissemination of the information you > have collected on your family, I suggest that you get in touch with Gail > Moore > (see earlier). She has just finished starting her own web site to do the > same thing. She will be able to give you some advice. > > Lorris G. Cockerham, Ph.D. > 3006 Hinson Road > Little Rock, AR 72212-2712 > 501-227-4224 > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, > they will only see your response when it is made through the board. > >

If Diane does not have a suggestion, I happen to have one perhaps. It could be they are not showing up if using an index of only Heads of Household as they may have been living for a time with another family in a place where they wanted to enlist at. My Andrew Jackson on one of the US Censuses if found under this manner.................................. His Mother and siblings left and went to Fulton Co., GA he is still back in Cherokee Ct. AL with a neighbor family awaiting to enlist into the 19th AL. Inf. out of Centre............... Just a thought! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Lofurno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Finding ancestors in 1860 > Diane, > I haven't been following this discussing, but you are doing exactly the > same thing with your research that I am....I'm not to the point where I'm > comfortable putting it all online. No particular reason. Part of it is > because I don't know how to do it either! (LOL) > > Anyway, I have a particular question for you. I have never been able to > find my husband's great-grandfather David Cash on the 1860 Virginia > census. He lived and died in Caroline County and is on every other census > between 1840-1910. He did fight in the Civil War, so I'm wondering if > that had anything to do with his not being enumerated. Interestingly, > David's brother Walter Cash (who also fought in the war) is not on the > 1860 census either. Recently I had a chance to help someone locate their > ancestors on the 1860 census in Kentucky and Illinois....same thing. They > are nowhere to be found in 1860. > > Have you run across this type of thing with any of your ancestors who > fought in the war? If so, do you have an explanation since the war did > not even start until the following year? > > Julie > > Diane S <[email protected]> wrote: > Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into > softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not > for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may > even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take > years! With those, the story almost tells itself. > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Moore > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they > are > all gone who will ever even know. > Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can > all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane S" > To: > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > >> Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there >> were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is >> insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of the >> brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the >> war - >> there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three >> captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So >> many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to >> keep their legacy alive! >> Diane >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gail Moore >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other >> stuff >> can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in >> the >> woods and such. If so I would give it a try. >> I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later >> join >> a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a >> correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors >> deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the >> place >> we call home today! >> If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! >> Gail >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diane S" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM >> Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> >> >> > Hi - >> > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - not >> > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping >> > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we >> can >> > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York >> > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a >> > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know another >> > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed >> his >> > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined >> them >> > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and >> you >> > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( >> > Diane >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: [email protected] >> > To: [email protected] >> > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM >> > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 >> > >> > >> > Hi Diane, >> > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in >> Caroline >> > Co., so it does say something, right? >> > Shirley >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> > at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> > or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: >> 6/17/2005 >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), >> > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), >> > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, >> be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. >> Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, >> they will only see your response when it is made through the board. >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 >> >> >> >> ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== >> Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager >> at [email protected] with any comments, questions >> or problems you may have regarding your membership. >> > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > CAROLINE CO. 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What later happens to Frances and Martha the two girls? Do you happen to know who they later marry and when and where? I seek to find surnames for a Frances and Martha found in my line and they too are from Caroline Co. VA. Thanks, Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:46 AM Subject: [VACAROLI] Jones mystery > My line is Frances Jones father John Jones. This what do know > > Southside Virginia Families" by John Bennett Boddie - page 228 states > Elizabeth Frances Jones, daughter of John Jones, married Joel Halbert abt > 1740. From Old Rappahannock & Essex Co. Marriages - Book D27, page 71. > > John Jones is said to born c 1700 d c 1795, I can find not record for him. > Frances is said to born c 1700/05 unknown death date > > Caroline Co., Va Order Bk 1755-1763 p 272. > > Date 1762 > > On motion of Frances Halbert, widow and relict of Joel Halbert dec'd, > administrator on the estate, is granted to the said Frances Halbert, she > having been given bond according to law. > > p. 491 Date:? > > Frances Halbert qualified (their mother) to wards William, John, > Elizabaeth, Martha, Frances and Joel. > > Order Bk 1764-67, p 72, March Court 1764 > > William, John & Elizabeth Halbert with the approbation of the Court made > choice of Frances Halbert as their guardian. [Making choice signifies they > were of the age of 14 or above but under 21]. > > p. 161. June Court 1764 > > On motion of Frances Halbert, she appointed guardian of Martha, Frances > and Joel Halbert, orphans of Joel Halbert, dec'd and the said Frances > Acknowledged a bond for same. (These three then were under the age of 14.) > > Okay, if William was born Oct 14, 1744, in 1764 he wouldn't have been a > minor long. And if John WAS the oldest, as some records have shown, and > older than William,he would have been older than 21 at the date of these > guardian bonds, and would then not have needed a guardian. > > This means that William was over 14 and his siblings were under 14 making > them minors. > > Janet Ariciu > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, > they will only see your response when it is made through the board. > >

See reply off list to long................................................ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 1:12 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into > softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not > for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may > even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take > years! With those, the story almost tells itself. > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Moore > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they > are > all gone who will ever even know. > Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we > can > all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane S" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there > > were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is > > insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of > the > > brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the > war - > > there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three > > captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. > So > > many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us > to > > keep their legacy alive! > > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Gail Moore > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > > > That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other > > stuff > > can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding > in > > the > > woods and such. If so I would give it a try. > > I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later > > join > > a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a > > correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors > > deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the > > place > > we call home today! > > If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! > > Gail > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Diane S" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM > > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > > > > Hi - > > > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - > not > > > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of > keeping > > > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if > we > > can > > > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York > > > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was > a > > > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know > another > > > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just > followed > > his > > > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined > > them > > > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... > and > > you > > > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( > > > Diane > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM > > > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > > > > > > Hi Diane, > > > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in > > Caroline > > > Co., so it does say something, right? > > > Shirley > > > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > > > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > > > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: > > 6/17/2005 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), > > > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), > > > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, > > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > > Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, > > they will only see your response when it is made through the board. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: > 6/17/2005 > > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > CAROLINE CO. VAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacaroli/caroline.htm > RESOURCE PAGE: http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/VA/Caroline > CAROLINE CO. GENFORUM: http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/caroline/ > MAIL LIST PAGE: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/VA/caroline.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > CAROLINE CO. VAGenWeb: http://www.rootsweb.com/~vacaroli/caroline.htm > RESOURCE PAGE: http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/VA/Caroline > CAROLINE CO. GENFORUM: http://genforum.genealogy.com/va/caroline/ > MAIL LIST PAGE: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/VA/caroline.html >

Depends on the software you use, but many modern software programs allow you to put your data online fairly easily. Since I use TMG, I use a program called Second Site to create mine. You can view it at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery/EDDE/index.htm You can also use Second Site to create a data CD to share with your family. All they have to do is load it, and walk up and down the hyperlinks. Second Site works with TMG datasets only, but if you are interested you can read more http://www.johncardinal.com/ss/ I am not affiliated with John in anyway other than we correspond online about the use of TMG and SS (as it is more commonly known). I don't benefit from the sale of SS in any fashion. Having said that, I am sure that other programs also allow you to put your information online, and you can find websites that require a password to view the information, so you can restrict that information to people you want to see it. Also, I only include people who are dead and who were born before 1925. That way I don't accidentally get any information about living people on my site. So even though my father is deceased, he is not listed on the website. Hope this helps in some small way. I do agree that adding in the scans makes the narrative more readable to the average reader, and so does transcriptions. Of course, it is time consuming, but so is collecting the same information over and over and over again. <G> Teresa Ghee Elliott All links start with http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~rutherfordcemetery and then add Rutherford Co., TN cemeteries: see above TMG sentence structures: /TMG.html Descendants of James Edde of Bedford County, TN /EDDE/index.htm -----Original Message----- From: Diane S [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 3:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 Well eventually I plan to put all the information I have gathered into softcover book form for my family - not for the public in general - not for profit but just to make sure all the minute details are known! I may even scan the documents I have accumulated - and that alone will take years! With those, the story almost tells itself. Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: Gail Moore To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 That was sort of what I meant for his decendants sake. I mean once they are all gone who will ever even know. Or are they doing research on their line also. Now that is one way we can all help make sure that future people know about these brave soles! Gail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane S" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > Oh, this is one of those stories handed down from generations and there > were so many acts of bravery in the building of our nation that this is > insignificant except to his descendants. The sad thing is that one of the > brothers died that day and later another died of smallpox during the war - > there were 9 brothers in this family and all served! There were three > captains, two lieutenants and the rest were privates - all brave men. So > many of the feats of heroism can never be documented - it is up to us to > keep their legacy alive! > Diane > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gail Moore > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > That's very sad, and should be changed and made right today. If other > stuff > can get changed why not his. Can you prove your story of him hiding in > the > woods and such. If so I would give it a try. > I mean he risked his life side by side with his brothers, he did later > join > a unit so I don't see why it would be such a terrible thing to make a > correction. I mean I think our founding fathers and earlier ancestors > deserve the very best after what all they did to make this country the > place > we call home today! > If it were not for them we would be in a real pickle! > Gail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane S" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:14 AM > Subject: Re: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > Hi - > > I have only seen lists of soldiers in the state where they served - not > > their birth states - I don't think they had the capability of keeping > > those lists back then... in fact, most of us are very fortunate if we > can > > find the unit our ancestors served in! Just recently I found my York > > ancestor and disappointed the entire family by informing them he was a > > private not a captain! So it goes... most were privates! I know another > > ancestor was at King's Mountain, but he was underage and just followed > his > > older brothers, keeping to the woods until the battle when he joined > them > > and it was too late to send him home....later he joined a unit... and > you > > will never find his name on any King's Mountain list! ;-( > > Diane > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 11:29 PM > > Subject: [VACAROLI] Re: VACAROLI-D Digest V05 #89 > > > > > > Hi Diane, > > Yes, Joel Vaughn served from Rutherford Co., NC BUT was born in > Caroline > > Co., so it does say something, right? > > Shirley > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: > 6/17/2005 > > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > > Remember to include the five basic items: WHO (complete name), > > WHAT (are you seeking?), WHEN (did these folks live?), > > WHERE (did these folks live?) and HOW (can we reach you?). > > > > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > When responding to a 'gatewayed' post from the message board, > be sure to use the board addy provided in the message. > Since the poster may not be a member of our mailing list, > they will only see your response when it is made through the board. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.7.8/22 - Release Date: 6/17/2005 > > > > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== > Please contact the Caroline County mailing list manager > at [email protected] with any comments, questions > or problems you may have regarding your membership. > ==== VACAROLI Mailing List ==== CAROLINE CO. 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