I think you are exactly right based on my own past study & researching. In order to convince the doubters, you might want to tell them the bond, the minister's return, and the consent notes are different documents, created by entirely different people, for different reasons, & usually at different points in time, e. g. the Bond has a date and after the wedding was performed a bit later sometimes, the minister filled out and signed & dated his "return" to the County Clerk. A "consent note" usually has a date earlier than the Bond date, but sometimes the same day. Some consent notes created by a parent or guardian also have witnesses who signed in agreement......... those names are very often good clues to other relatives if not known aforehand by the researcher. Bill H. ----- Original Message ----- From: <dwbgold@aol.com> To: <VACAMPBE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: [VACAMPBELL] Re: John Marshall Clemens > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/HBC.2ACI/1157.3.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Here is what I copied at the Wayne County Courthouse > > Clemmons, Hannibal and Jane Jones'Surety W. R. Richardson > Married 9 January 1829 by Thomas Hansford. Note included reads" please > let Hanibal have lisons to marry my daughter Jane by James Jones" > Second Note reads "Hannibal Clemmons of Fentriss County, Tennessee, gave > consent for son Hanibal witness W. P. Richardson" > > This appears to me to indicate Hanibal Clemens/Clemmons was indeed > Hannibal Clemons JR. > > I have just started researching this marriage. I know that Jane and > Hanibal Clemens must have gone to Missouri and then came back to KY. (He > may have died there) She remarried Aug 10, 1842 to a John Sallee > 1850 Wayne County Census lists a child John M Clemens age 14 born in > Missouri. > Do you know where in Missouri he was born? When and where Hannibal died? > Thanks > Barbara >