Tiorice@aol.com wrote: > > Thanks Al. > Go to this address and read about Melungeons. This has been one of the most interesting piece of history that I have found. I had never heard of these people in all the many classes of history, etc that I have had. It is just amazing. <Http://www.bright.net/~kat/sowhatis.htm> Also there are several dissertations and thesis that have been written on these people. > There is a myth about early, early pioneers in the colonies that stumbled > across a tribe of Indians. These English pioneers were reportedly stunned to > hear the tribe speaking Welsh.

Hi to the list I hope someone with more knowledge of this subject will elaborate on this - but in response to why Buckingham - there are slate quarries and I was told the Welsh were wonderful carvers, I don't know what else they did, but the tombstones in Arvonia in the Arvonia Cemetery are a wonderful testament to their workmanship. There are what I consider unique markers in that cemetery and the stones are just like the day they were placed. This slate quarry is still there and I don't know if they make tombstones still but definately do roofing and garden slates. I would think Randy Kidd might have some imput on this!! Alice in Fluvanna

I'm relating to that Welsh connection. My Lee forebears are reported to be of Welsh descent. Richard Henry Lee m. Mary Gresham, also Welsh. It would be interesting to find out who, how, why and when are their journey to Buckingham County in VA. Wonder if there is a book out there for us?

Thanks Al. There is a myth about early, early pioneers in the colonies that stumbled across a tribe of Indians. These English pioneers were reportedly stunned to hear the tribe speaking Welsh. Like I said, it's a myth. But there are pockets of Welsh families in settlements in colonial America, notably in Pennsylvania and North Carolina...and the one I found in Buckingham Co., Va. But Why? They were not being flogged or burned at the stake because of their religion. Why Buckingham County? Of course, there may have been other Welsh settlements in Virginia. There may have been many such settlements...all speaking a Celtic tongue similiar to the Scotch-Irish migrating down from Pennsylvania. Thanks for the info. Jerry Nathan Rice, Spring, Texas.

Al: What a great find! If you are a history nut, like me, you might want to find a Lib. that has the [133!] reels of the "Draper Manuscripts. I have been to FL State Lib. and gone trhu a few rolls, as my Bennett Ballou [a truly rotten person] is in there a few times. Anyway this is a collection of letters from Rev. War soldiers, government agents and jusst plain people telling their own stories about opening up what was at that time the American West...the Indian battles and all. Since I, [like you, probably if you have any of "Miss Crow's" blood] have a Cherolkee ancestor of that time, you know whose side I am on! But anyway, this is the mosst fascinating collection and a lot of it deals with the battles at Point Pleasant on the Kanawa R. My Leonard Ballou also went to New River in around 1760. Here is the first installment on the Howells. It is from v1 and v2 of "Land Tax Summaries and Implied Deeds of Buckingham Co." By Roger G. Ward and is one of the most helpful collections in my view. I am giving you v1 today, covering 1782-1814. Please let me know if you have seen these two volumes and if you haven't I'll do v2. for you tomorrow. HOWEL {HOWL} p. 160 Howl----1796 - sold 100A to Murray Hinson. 1798 sold land to Thomas Trice. 1809 - sold 400A to Fleming Turner. Howl, Charles 1788 [no data] Howl, Elijah 1797 - 305A New Grant Howl, Gideon, 1789 to 1814. Bought: 1799 - 284A from James Howl, Jr. 1806 312A on Georges Cr. (16NE) [note: this means 16 miles NE of the then Buckingham cths.) from R. Cottrell, 100A on Slate R. (10NE) from John and T. Wooten, and 105 A adjacent Slate R. (10NE) from Isaac and H Sally [Sallee]. 1907 - 46A adj. Slate R. 10NE) from Joseph East. 1811 -445 ADJ sLATE r. FROM m. hAMBLETON. 1812 - 26 AND 1/2a ADJ. sLATE r. FROM aRCHIBALD wATKINS. sOLD: 1804 - 369a TO jAMES hOWL [PROBABLY A SON]. 1813/1814 LOCATION RESIDENCE ON jOSHUAS CR/SLATE r. AND LAND ON sLATE r. AND ON gEORGE'S cR. (16ne) [the capitals don't mean anything...just my typing] James Howl 1782 to 1807, 1812 to 1814. Listed as "Senior" in 1782. Bought 1804 - 368A from Gideon Howl. Sold in 1811 - 100A on Crooked Cr. (13NE) to Mary Ann Grizzle. 1813/14 Location, residence on Slate R. (20NE) James Howl, Jr. 1793 to 1799. Bought 1787 - 284A from D. Oglesby Sold 1799 - he and others sold 284A to Gideon Howl. John Howel 1812 to 1814 Location residence on the Old Woman's Creek /Mares Cr. (13NE) [note: this is also where my Leonard Ballow lived] p. 39 [I'm just giving you John Bondurant, as you are sure? that he's your guy. John Bondurant 1783to 1814 Bought 1783 - 100A from Mathew Agee. Sold 1784 100A to George Rye. 1813/14 Residence land on head of Willis R. (9S) adj. Moses Flood/ John Bondurant. Sr.. 1782 to 1789, 1792.. no data. Now Al, as I said, let me know if you have this data, if not I will send you v2. I think I see a possible link for Mary. Jean

Thank you for your reply regarding the book. I'll try for interlibrary loan to see if I might "get my hands on it". What are the books you published about B'ham genie? (Profile) Jane A Virginian living in Florida

Jerry Nathan Rice from Spring, TX, this is Al Mettss from San Antone. I do not want to distract from my search for Mary Howell married to Jesse Thomas, BUT, maybe this may help someone. My ANDERSONS were Welsh. =============================== Descendants of John Anderson Generation No. 1 1. JOHN ANDERSON was born Bef. 1655 in Wales, and died 1723 in King George County, VA. He married ------BROWN in King George County, VA. Child of JOHN ANDERSON and ------BROWN is: 2. i.WALTER2 ANDERSON, b. Abt. 1715, King George County, VA; d. Abt. 1824, Abbeville, SC. Generation No. 2 2. WALTER2 ANDERSON (JOHN1) was born Abt. 1715 in King George County, VA, and died Abt. 1824 in Abbeville, SC. He married TABITHA 1762 in Caroline County, VA. Notes for WALTER ANDERSON: PATRIOTIC SERVICE BY WALTER ANDERSON DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION The NSSAR has approved the patriotic service by Walter Anderson. He provided cattle, bacon, wheat, and oats to the Continental Line in Caroline County, Virginia. PROOF: 1. Janice L. Abercrombie and Richard Slatten, "VIRGINIA PUBLIC CLAIMS, CAROLINE COUNTY", 1991, 1st Edition, Pp. 37, 38, 42, 46, 53, 61, 68. More About WALTER ANDERSON: Fact 1: PS, VA, American Revolution Children of WALTER ANDERSON and TABITHA are: i. FRANCES3 ANDERSON, b. Abt. 1765, Caroline County, VA; d. March 14, 1844, Abbeville, SC; m. JOHN HODGES, JR., 1790, Abbeville, SC. Notes for JOHN HODGES, JR.: SERVICE IN THE REVOLUTIONARY WAR BY JOHN HODGES, JR., OF SOUTH CAROLINA This young man joined a South Carolina Militia unit commanded by Captain Samuel Rosamond. John was only 15 years old. He entered service in Ninety Six District of South Carolina on April 1, 1780 and marched to Beach Island, where he became sick and was left under the care of Captain Benjamin Tutt. When he was well, he rejoined Captain Rosamond and was at the siege of Ninety Six. Next, he was under Captains Samuel Moore and ----- Maxwell and was in the battle at Choata Town. This service has been approved by the NSSAR (# 118709) and the NSDAR (# 686732). -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Al Metts back, John Anderson came from Wales. He sailed a "sloop" on Virginia rivers. If this helps someone. i am happy! Al Metts ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

There was a book I believe available at the Virginia State Library that contained some Buckingham County, VA Hill ancestors the book was: William Hill of Northumberland County, Virginia and Various Descendants Compiled by: John McMurry Hill, AB, MA, PHD Edited by: Frank W. Gurney & Lawrence Westbrook King Published by: Eleanor Davis McSwain 1164 South Jackson Springs Road Macon, GA 31211

Your Nehemiah Markenshain is listed twice once on page 5; and once on page 14, in The "Buckingham County, Virginia Surveyor's Plat Book 1762-1858. Second Edition" by Eric Grundset, they only list his neighbors. Published by: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. for: Clearfield Company, Inc. Baltimore, MD. McShane is also listed twice in the 1787

Thank you, Jean Rose !!! Today, at the library, I found a book, "Cumberland County Virginia and its People" published in 1983, Third Printing, 1994, by the Cumberland Co. Hist. Soc. The following excellent article was in the book. Do you know Bessie Thompson Jackson? I would like to contact her! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THOMAS Among the immigrants to the New World in the 1700's was Job Thomas, born in England. Soon after arrival he married Elizabeth (Betsey) Hoggett (Collins), widow of Stephen Collins who had one child, Eleanor, who later married John Foster. Elizabeth was a daughter of Anthony Hoggett, a wealthy planter on James River, who sold Tuckehoe Plantation to John Utley in 1723-975 acres. In 1740 we find Job, Elizabeth and two teen-age sons, Jesse and Phineas, well established in Cumberland Co., Va. About this time Job, in conjunction with several others, was g ranted a large tract of land on New River which drains the lower part of the Great Valley between the Allegheny and Blue Ridge and flows northwestward to Gauley Bridge, W. Va., where it joins the Kanawha. So Job decided to go on a long hunt to find out more about this fabulous place. Long hunters were the first explorers and most of them will forever remain nameless as they kept no records. Job was probably one of them as he collected his musket, a hunting knife, a few cooking utensils and a package of combs, needles and pins by which he could attract an Indian he might chance to meet and set off, not to be seen again for many, many years. In the meantime their sons, Jesse and Phineas, grew up with their mother Betsy on Royal Oaks Plantation which is now in the State Forest. Jesse made frequent trips to England where he married Sarah Wood of London, who died in a few years. His second wife was Mary Howell of Buckingham Co. who was about twenty years his junior. By her there were 12 children. As the years rolled on the Indian Trails widened into roads and a new frontier was opened up. A trickle became a stream of settlers going through Cumberland Gap - horseback riders, ox carts, heavy road wagons with iron wheels and canvas tops all loaded with settlers going west. Some of the Thomas relatives were already there, so they took their mother, Betsy, out for a visit. There they found their father, Job, who had heard that Betsy was dead and had taken a second wife, a Miss Crow, by whom he had another family of children. The rest of the story is quickly told. Job's will was probated October 24, 1791, in Cumberland County, Virginia, leaving all to his two sons. (Will Bk. No. 2, P. 520). Jesse died June 1805. In his will probated July 22, 1805, he stated that his wife, Mary was to support his aged mother out of his estate. Of their twelve children only two remained in Virginia: Elizabeth Hoggett Thomas who married Francis Wilkinson o Buckingham Co., and Eleanor (Nelly) who married Elijah Glover and remained in Cumberland Co. The others migrated to Tennessee and beyond. Now their descendants have circled the globe. Bessie Thompson Jackson On Mon, 12 Oct 1998 11:38:42 EDT JeanRoseM@aol.com writes: >I'll do my best... >Jean > > >==== VABUCKIN Mailing List ==== >Visit the Buckingham County USGenWeb Homepage! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vabuckin/bucknham.htm > > > > ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi Jean. You mentioned the Bondurant Family Book. Which one is it. What is the title? Frank

Jerry-- Interesting question. My Anderson ancestry is from the Slate River area of Buckingham County, Virginia and our family oral history insisted we were WELSH Anderson's. I have done some investigating over the years into the intermarriages, etc, and always seem to find "Welsh-ness" associated, but I can't seem to make a direct hit. Glad you brought it up. Anybody else?? Carol

Hi, I'm researching my Anderson ancestors that, I believe, moved from Buckingham Co. VA circa 1798 to Wayne/Whitley Co. KY. The KY partriarch is Moses Anderson who was married to Elizabeth ?. I am searching for evidence of where they immigrated to KY from. A couple of their children married KY neighbors who were originally from Buckingham Co. so I am guessing that the families probably homesteaded together from VA. Any mention of a Moses A. in the 1790 Buckingham census or any marriage record for he and Elizabeth would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Roger Anderson

For anyone. I visited Buckingham County a number of years ago and discovered a cemetery with numerous tombstones written in the Celtic tongue of the Welsh. I notice there is a SLATE river. Welshmen mined slate and coal, etc. I also notice many names of Welsh decent, i.e., JONES, RICE, WILLIAMS, EVANS, HOWELL, etc. Was there a reason, time period, settlement for the Welsh-ness (if you will) in Buckingham county? Jerry Nathan Rice, Spring, Texas.

-- My ancestor was Robert Moore who married Ann Coker, lived in Walton Co. Ga. His parents were Keziah McAshan/McShan and John Moore. Keziah McAshan Moore was the daughter of Nehemiah McAshan and his wife, Keziah Chambers, of Buckingham Co. Va. Keziah Chambers was the daughter of William Chambers, Buckingham Co. Nehemiah McAshan was the son of Richard McAshan, Buckingham Co. Va. Now either Nehemiah or William Chambers was married to Elizabeth Watkins. Nehemiah may have served in the American Revolution. I have no dates on any of the McAshans, Chambers or Watkins. THE MOORE FAMILY BIBLE ROBERT MOORE, b. 25 Apr. 1813; d. 9 Oct. 1904 ANN COKER MOORE, b. 28 Oct. 1815; d. 30 Aug. 1896 NEHEMIAH McASHAN, Grandfather on mother's side WILLIAM CHAMBERS, Great-grandfather on mother's side RICHARD McASHAN, Great-grandfather on mother's side JAMES MOORE, Great-grandfather on father's side ROBERT MOORE, grandfather on father's side FATHER, JOHN MOORE, b. 3 June 1776; d. 22 May 1845 ________ ASHCRAFT, Great-grandmother on father's side BETSY ASHCRAFT, Father's mother BETSY WATKINS, Great-grandmother on mother's side KEZIAH CHAMBERS, Grandmother on mother's side MOTHER, KEZIAH MOORE b. 17 April 1775; d. 5 July 1867 I have found Nehemiah and Richard and William Chambers in Buckingham Co. on 1764 tax lists and later. How do I go about finding a maternal ancestor? My main webpages are at http://www.monmouth.com/~princef and include Mildred Snead and Richard Sorrells, Walton and Madison Co. Ga; Cash Family, Francis Wright Family, John Whitehead, Amherst Co. Va.Middleton Mix Williams, Keziah McAshan and John Moore, Walton Co. Ga. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/r/i/William-L-Prince/index.html for James Sanders, Johnston and Surry Co. NC & Madison Co.Ga.;John Still, Edgefield Co. SC>Walton Co. Ga; Henry Patrick Knight Family of Essex,Union,Hudson, Middlesex Cos. NJ. McAshan Family, Buckingham Co. Va.

Hello Jean ! This is Al Metts in San Antonio. I have been reading your message to Frank. I promise not to nag you! But, since you have all those Buckingham books, when you have a spare moment, please, will you look for Mary Howell of Buckingham who married Jesse Thomas in about 1779. He came home to Cumberland from Valley Forge. His first wife, Sally Wood had died leaving him with five hungry kids and a crop in the field. He married Mary Howell and she gave him seven more kids. I would like to know more about Mary - her parents and her marriage. Please? Al ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

I'd like to exchange info with anyone researching the Bolling, Cobbs, Catlett and Shores families of Buckingham. These are the families associated with my wife's dad, the late Bolling A. Cobb of Buckingham and Lynchburg, who was a gg grandson of Lenaeus Bolling. Thanks! Fred Hof

Al: I'm keeping my eyes open for Mary. Jean

Hi Frank: I am still slogging thru everything. I took my stuff to ME with me for the summer and brought it back home last week, so I have to sort it all out. Here;s a good thing...I just read our WPB Gen Lib. mag and it says there is a new acquisition..The Bondurant family book! I'll be getting over there within the next 10 days and will read thru and copy anything pertaining to your John/Sarah. Anything I find meantime I'll E-mail you, but I am really swamped right now...also giving huge birthday party for Hubby next Monday. Keep bugging me every week so I don't put you off any more than nec. Jean

I am glad to see so much activity on the Buckingham list lately! Perhaps someone will be able to open my "Stone Wall" in Buckingham. HILL family I have my grandmother's line from her Buckingham Fitzgerald family who lived at Slate River Falls/Mills back to Maj. William Fitzgerald and his wife Sarah Eppes. It is the maternal lines (no surprise) that stump me. She, FANNY BYRD FITZGERALD, b. 1885, was one of 11 children of FRANCES ELDRIDGE FITZGERALD(1851-1940) and his wife MARY HILL(1852-1937). Eldridge, as he was called, was a son of Rev. James Henderson Fitzgerald and his wife Lucy Eldridge. I have the Eldridge line. MARY HILL was one of 3 children of JOHN (1800-1880)and VIRGINIA HILL.(d.1929) Her siblings being Martha and Hugh Hill. Does anyone know anything about the Hill family? A couple of summers ago I visited and photographed the graves of FRANCES and MARY HILL FITZGERALD in Buckingham. They were in a very small private cemetery with members of Martha Hill Moss' family. Martha's husband was a county judge and I believe John Hill was also. Can anyone help? Jane A Virginian living in Florida