Am seeking spouse of INDIANNIA SPENCER AYRES. Indianna Spencer was b 7/22/1824 and married an AYRES. Believe he may have died young. In 1902, Indiannia Ayres was living with Sam Spencer at Dixie estate in Buckingham. This Sam could be her brother Samuel O. Spencer b 8/9/1810. Any and all information appreciated. Rob Ayres

Seeking parents of WILLIAM T. SPENCER b 3/22/1774, d 11/28/1847. William married BETSY H. BAKER b 10/17/1786. They married on December 16, 1806. They had 12 children 1808-1826. WILLIAM SPENCER's father may have been named Samuel and may have married a woman with the maiden name of TURNER. Any and all information appreciated. Rob Ayres

Am looking for parents, siblings, dates of birth/death and any other information on JAMES SPENCER AYRES. I believe that he was born about 1810 as he first appears on the State of Va Buckingham Personal Property tax rolls in 1831. I assume that he was 21 at that time. He married Pamelia B. SPENCER b November 24, 1822 who died after Aft. August 30, 1880. They had a son William (Billy) Spencer Ayres b 1849 who died about 1935. Parmelia was daughter of William T. SPENCER b 3/22/1774, d 11/28/1847. Any information in these people would be appreciated. Rob Ayres

We have a Henry INGLE who came to Buckingham Co VA and started his family just about 1800 (He married in 1793, Fincastle, Botetourt Co VA to Sarah Hanson). Later he was in KY and his children were very fond of Chastain women and men. In his old age, 80's, he had returned to Russell CO VA. Perhaps one who understands this Mannikintown French Group of King William Parish can help me get a focus on why Henry INGLE would have come to this area and then later gotten near to the Chastain's in KY. Were there any INGLIS or INGLE folks in this French community? I have a time line for Henry, and it is a bit lengthy so I would rather you have this URL: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lctdugan/hingle.htm">HENRY INGLE SIGHTINGS</A> than to post it to this mail list - but for anyone who has any difficulty to get to that URL -- just ask and I will send the page to you. Any help or guidance will be most welcome. Thank You! Lonnie

Hi Al: this is Jean. I have been searching my stuff for your Mary Howell, but not much luck yet. I do have some things on the Thomas family that I think you would love. One is from the Jane Henry Thomas "Old Nashville " book, which you may have. I also have a nice piece from Gertrude Ballou Dunbar's books, "Ancestor's, which I think you would enjoy. It's a bit long, so if you don't mind giving me your address, I'll photocopy and send it slowmail to you, along with any other tidbits I may find. Let me know about the "Old Nashville" data...if you don't have it I'll copy that for ya too. Jean

I see so many references to Buckingham Co Records that it must not have been a "burned county". What records exist and where are they located. Thanks, Lonnie

Last June, I was in Buckingham and asked some local members of Historic Buckingham about the status of volume 2. I was told that Janice Hull who compiledand edited volume 1 had moved to Vermont. I did find out that Iberian Publishing was doing the final work on V2 and that it would be out soon. In late July, I sent an email to Chris Alexander (iberian@iberian.com) asking about my surnames in the book. Attached below is the response I received on July 8. I have called several times since then but still no book. Perhaps if he saw enough people interested, we would see a published book. >Rob: >I am working on the Buckingham Burials as we speak. There are quite a number of both AYRES & SPENSERs. I hope to have it ready for release by the end of this month. I always update the following page as soon as new releases become available: >http://www.iberian.com/new.phtml >Please bookmark and reload this page often. >Thanks for your interest in our books, >-- >Chris Alexander, Editor & Webmaster >Iberian Publishing Company >http://www.iberian.com/ > >

Only two Susanna and hsband Thomas. No info on Thomas Susanna 2-2-1779 _ 12-8-1847 Inscription "In Memory of.....Wife of Thomas Pittman...She faithfully discharged the duties of wife, mother and neighbor, lived beloved by all who knoew her and died a Christian. This monument was erected to her memory By Her sons Thomas and Robert R. Pittman. They are buried in a cemetary listed as PITTMAN/EPPES FAMILY - hwy 638 Total of 6 graves , all others are Eppes. Jane

In a message dated 98-10-20 07:29:57 EDT, VABUCKIN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << "Buckingham Burials, A Survey of Cemeteries in Buckingham County, Virginia Volume 1" compiled by Janice J. R. Hull and published by Hearthside Press. ISBN 0-945231-03-2, Price $25.00. Copyright 1997. >> Are there any PITTMAN / PITMANs listed? Regards, Andy andrews155@aol.com

Thanks Al, I appreciate it very much. I'll get in touch with the Thomas expert. This Lucinda Thomas has been very elusive. Debbie -----Original Message----- From: Albert C. Metts, Jr. <ametts@juno.com> To: VABUCKIN-L@rootsweb.com <VABUCKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, October 23, 1998 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [VABUCKIN-L] Bessie Thompson Jackson >Hello Debbie of Luray, >You asked about immigraton of a Lucinda >Thomas. Well, those books are not mine. They >are at the library. I will check during my next visit >to the library. If I find her, I will post it. However, I >have a suggestion. Denny Thomas is the Thomas >expert. You may wish to send an e-mail to him at > nfi@mindspring.com >I do not have a Lucinda Thomas in my files on Job >and his son Jesse Thomas. >Al Metts of San Antonio. > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >==== VABUCKIN Mailing List ==== >Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > >

---------- > From: TINKER <tinker@catt.com> > To: VABUCKIN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [VABUCKIN-L] Buckingham Burials > Date: Tuesday, October 20, 1998 8:00 PM > > Does thus book have any Thurmans or Evitts in it? > Thanks Bettye > > > > > > > > > > ==== VABUCKIN Mailing List ==== > Search this list's archived messages! > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Thanks so very much for the lookup. Bettye

Thanks, this generation is FPOC. Momcine@AOL.com

Momcine@aol.com wrote: > Some time ago while at a library, I had the opportunity to visit with a lady who was from out of state and searching for her past as we all do. The problem she was facing is that many slaves did not have a last name only given name. Is this the problem that I read that you are also having. Her solution to the problem was to find when possible the names of those living near or who were slave holders in the area which she thought her family lived. Based on this info, she tried to match names from tax rolls and also from wills then census records and said she found that most of the freedpersons took the name of their slave owners. We looked thru the micro films in some states for those types of records. I don't know that all state historical society would have these types of micro films but ours in OK does have some. This is just a thought and discard if it doesn't apply. To search for Indian tribal names is also chore. Good luck and don't throw in the towel. Ell! en

Hello Debbie of Luray, You asked about immigraton of a Lucinda Thomas. Well, those books are not mine. They are at the library. I will check during my next visit to the library. If I find her, I will post it. However, I have a suggestion. Denny Thomas is the Thomas expert. You may wish to send an e-mail to him at nfi@mindspring.com I do not have a Lucinda Thomas in my files on Job and his son Jesse Thomas. Al Metts of San Antonio. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hello Ruby Talley Smith! I appreciate your answer about Bessie Thompson Jackson. In her article the most important part was the statement that in 1740, "we find Job Thomas --- and teenagers Jesse and ---" She must have had a document that told her the date. I am sorry that you believe that she is deceased. Often, I wonder whether my files will be trashed when I am gone. Bessie wrote well - perfect English, so she was well educated. I wonder if she wrote a genealogy book. Maybe someone knows. Thank you for your answer. Al Metts ametts@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi, jDoes this cemetery book about Buckingham County happen to contain DAVID BELL, @ 1770 and JUDITH CARY BELL , 1798? Thanks for your help, Alice Gray Houston agh@meta3.net Alicegayle@aol.com wrote: > The complete name of the book is "Buckingham Burials, A Survey of Cemeteries > in Buckingham County, Virginia Volume 1" compiled by Janice J. R. Hull and > published by Hearthside Press. ISBN 0-945231-03-2, Price $25.00. Copyright > 1997. According to the acknowledgment in the book, Ms. Hull and many others > took 12 years to survey known burial sites in Buckingham County. The book is > not totally complete. I have visited several graveyards in Buckingham that > are not in the book. But it is a good reference book to have for anyone > researching Buckingham. Since this book is labeled "Volume 1" I'm hoping they > are compiling "Volume 2." > > I ordered my book directly from Hearthside Press, 5735A Telegraph Rd.., > Alexandria, VA 22303, telephone: 703-960-0086 > > Hope this helps. > Alicegayle@aol.com > > ==== VABUCKIN Mailing List ==== > List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received > when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson, > list administrator with questions concerning this list! > mailto:hen1@idt.net

Francine, I ran across many, many slave names in the wills and inventories of Buckingham and Albemarle Counties, Va. Many of the tombstones I've seen had the slaves buried next to the owner's family. You could tell the difference because the slave would have one name, i.e., Glasgow, Nan, etc. In many of the wills, the owner would name the individual slave to be given to a certain family member after the death of the widow. JNRice, Spring, Texas +

Al, You mentioned immigration books in your possession. I have a Lucinda Thomas who married Michael Damron ca. 1772. We think she was born ca. 1750. Family lore states that she was English, but we can find nothing to back this up (nor can we find her family anywhere. Could you see if you have a Lucinda Thomas in one of your books? Thanks Debbie Luray, Va. PS, I don't know Bessie but will look in the directories I have. -----Original Message----- From: Albert C. Metts, Jr. <ametts@juno.com> To: VABUCKIN-L@rootsweb.com <VABUCKIN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, October 22, 1998 10:37 PM Subject: [VABUCKIN-L] Bessie Thompson Jackson >Hello, up there in VA ! >This is Al Metts in San Antonio. I am trying to find >a lady named Bessie Thompson Jackson. Fifteen >years ago, she wrote the excellent and interesting >article about Job and Jesse Thomas of Cumberland >Co., VA. that I posted recently. I would like to write to >her. Does anyone know her???? I will post the article >again at the end of this message. > >If you have read it earlier, please read it again, now, and you >will admit - it is good reading! I am posting queries >wherever I can to find Bessie. She writes :"In 1740 we find >Job, Elizabeth and two teenage sons, Jesse and Phineas". >1740?????? If Jesse was a teenager in 1740, he would >have to have been born before 1727 !!! Not c. 1750. Well, >he might have been. By 1805, when he died, he would have >been 78 years old (I will be that old in 7 months!). Bessie >says that Mary Howell was about 20 years younger than the >old reprobate! That would make her born about 1747. > >Arithmetic - b. 1747 plus 20 (grown) is 1767. Before any of the >12 kids were born. > >>From the Jane Thomas book, we know that Sally Wood >was her grandmother, with Jesse Wood Thomas as her father, >middle name for Sally. Jane Thomas was old, but lucid, when >the book was published. She was smart. > >On the other hand - Bessie says all 12 kids were Mary's. IF MARY >WAS BORN IN 1747, age 20 in 1767, she could have been the >mother of all 12 with the time of birth of Nathaniel in 1796. Whom >do we believe? At this point, I believe Jane. > >Now, Bessie says some things I do not believe. >I do not believe Job came from England. I do not believe that >Jesse made "frequent trips" to England. The airlines were not >flying then ! Jane said Sally came from England >and married Jesse. Well, in the immigration books, I did not find >Job, or Sally or Mary Howell. What does that mean? Nothing! >Bessie may have the wrong Glover - Elijah instead of Joshua - was she >wrong or right? Eleanor CROW Thomas may have been given the >middle name from Job's Indian maiden!!! Ho! HO! The fact that two >stayed in VA means nothing - their husbands stayed. > >I will say that it is an interesting story. Many legends are. I have >found them to be basically true. Exaggerations are there. Errors >are frequent. I wish to know Bessie! The background of Elizabeth >Hoggett/Hoggatt sounds sound! > >I get messages from you nice folk on the lists. Maybe someone will fill >in the blanks. I put this story on the Cumberland List and the >Buckingham list. Both lists are very active. I put a query on >the Cumberland Home Page to ask if anyone knows Bessie. >Yahoo and the other browsers do not know her (she must have >a husband) or she may be in a cemetery. I hope not!!! I hope >that she is an active genealogist. After all - she is a cousin of >Old Al Metts > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >The article: > THOMAS > > Among the immigrants to the New World > in the 1700's was Job Thomas, born in > England. Soon after arrival he married > Elizabeth (Betsey) Hoggett (Collins), widow of > Stephen Collins who had one child, Eleanor, > who later married John Foster. > Elizabeth was a daughter of Anthony > Hoggett, a wealthy planter on James River > who sold Tuckehoe Plantation to John Utley > in 1723-975 acres. > In 1740 we find Job, Elizabeth and two > teen-age sons, Jesse and Phineas, well > established in Cumberland Co., Va. About this > time Job, in conjunction with several others, > was granted a large tract of land on New River > whichd drains the lower part of the Great Valley > between the Allegheny and Blue Ridge and > flows northwestward to Gauley Bridge, W. Va., > where it joins the Kanawha. So Job decided > to go on a long hunt to find out more about > this fabulous place. > Long hunters were the first explorers and > most of them will forever remain nameless as > they kept no records. Job was probably one of > them as he collected his musket, a hunting > knife, a few cooking utensils and a package of > combs, needles and pins by which he could > attract an Indian he might chance to meet and > set off, not to be seen again for many, many > years. > In the meantime their sons, Jesse and > Phineas, grew up with their mother Betsy on > Royal Oaks Plantation which is now in the > State Forest. > Jesse made frequent trips to England where > he married Sarah Wood of London, who died > in a few years. His second wife was Mary > Howell of Buckingham Co. who was about > twenty years his junior. By her there were 12 > children. > As the years rolled on the Indian Trails > widened into roads and a new frontier was > opened up. A trickle became a stream of > settlers going through Cumberland Gap - > horseback riders, ox carts, heavy road wagons > with iron wheels and canvas tops all loaded > with settlers going west. > Some of the Thomas relatives were already > there, so they took their mother, Betsy, out for > a visit. There they found their father, Job, who > had heard that Betsy was dead and had taken > a second wife, a Miss Crow, by whom he had > another family of children. > The rest of the Story is quickly told. Job's > will was probated October 24, 1791, in > Cumberland County, Virginia, leaving all to > his two sons. (Will Bk. No. 2, P. 520). > Jesse died June 1805. In his will probated > July 22, 1805, he stated that his wife, Mary > was to support his aged mother out of his > estate. > Of their twelve children only two remained > in Virginia: Elizabeth Hoggett Thomas who > married Francis Wilkinson of Buckingham Co., > and Eleanor (Nelly) who married Elijah > Glover and remained in Cumberland Co. The > others migrated to Tennessee and beyond. > Now their descendants have circled the > globe. Bessie Thompson Jackson > > > > >___________________________________________________________________ >You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. >Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html >or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] > > >==== VABUCKIN Mailing List ==== >List problems? First, read the Welcome Message that you received >when you subscribed. Feel free to contact Yvonne James-Henderson, >list administrator with questions concerning this list! >mailto:hen1@idt.net > > > >

Yes, thanks for the suggestion. The freedmans' Bureau was formed after the civil war. My family was in Buckingham County before 1800 and left by 1830. So if you see any mention of African Americans in your research "early", feel free to pass me any names. Thanks again Francine

In a message dated 98-10-22 22:38:09 EDT, you write: << I am trying to find a lady named Bessie Thompson Jackson. Fifteen years ago, she wrote the excellent and interesting article about Job and Jesse Thomas of Cumberland Co., VA. that I posted recently. I would like to write to her. Does anyone know her???? I will post the article again at the end of this message. >> I have hesitated to answer these messages regarding Mrs. Jackson, hoping someone else would who could give exact dates, etc. I THINK this is the lady that I knew who lived in Buckingham Co and is deceased now. She was one of the first persons I contacted in Buckingham Co regarding family history. She had wonderful files and was very willing to share. I have no idea what happened to her files; got dumped I would guess. I don't think there was anyone in her family with any interest in family history. Ruby Talley Smith