This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hardbarger, Painter, Harshbarger, Harles, Adams, Harman Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/947.1.1.6 Message Board Post: This may not be exactly on message for your John Hardbarger, but, the Quaker-Lutherans seemed to move together in those days. When I was researching the Robert (P) Stapleton family of PA and VA, who came to America and settled in Oley Township, Berks, Co. PA, among others of his faith. Among the many names affiliated with German/Dutch origins after being born in England, I recall the names Kelchner, Painter/Bender (Bender German for Painter), Harshbarger, along with Stableton, as a few who intermarried. They moved first to Augusta County, VA which eventually changed names to Shenandoah, Botetourt, Montgomery, and other counties. You know the spellings of all those names changed with each iteration, but most attach to one original name. In the case of your JOHN HARDBARGER, his kin could easily have been that of the Harshbarger who married Elizabeth Kelchner, dau. of Henry Kelchner, in 1793, Shenandoah Co. Also, I have a poor copy of a photo of a stone marker in Virginia which reads: "SITE OF ST PETER'S EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH 1750 - 1885." "St Peter's Was The First Church West Of The Alleghenies And The Third Lutheran Church In Virginia. It's Original Members Were Pioneers Who, Having Suffered Religious Persecutions, Had Come From The Palatinate In Germany To Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, September 5, 1738, Thence To And Around The Horse Shoe Bottoms On New River. This Monument Erected in 19?? Is In Memory Of These Sturdy God-Fearing Pioneers. Richard Haeven (Haeyener), Philip Harless, Adam Harman, Jacob Harman, Valentine Harman, Jacob Harnberger, Israel Laurton, Samuel Pepper, Augustine Price, Henry Price, Jacob Shell, Adam Wall (Wail?)." A committee of four of the above was named, but barely readable. Jacob Hornbarger was the wife of Elizabeth Stapleton. I have a bit of info about a Richard P. Harles and Anna M. Preiss (Price). The Phllip Harless on the marker was Johan Philip Harless. The old church was replaced with the present St. Michael's Lutheran Church, probably near Harles' burial place at Longshop, VA, along with Preiss and Agnes Hoffman.