You may have a good chance of locating his Death Certificate. Also, the county may have marriage records which might give you a lead. Vince, have you found him as a child in the 1900 census, or as an adult in 1910 and 1920? I can help you with that if you like. I have access to Heritage Quest, and will get back on Ancestry one of these days. Gerre -----Original Message----- From: vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Vincent E. Summers Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:41 PM To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VABOTETO] John Montgomery CRAWFORD Gerre... I am looking for the parents of William H. Snider of Craig County, VA, married Lerry E. He was born 1891. Any ideas? Parents? Vince On 10/30/07, Gerre Byrd <ggengard@comcast.net> wrote: > Vince, remember me - Gerre Engard Byrd????? > > It's good to see you working on the Botetourt site. A related group of > ENGARDS spelled ENGART migrated from Phila. to Botetourt Co. abt 1800. One > of the ENGARTS married a SNIDER. Mary ENGART married John SNIDER 1831 > Botetourt Co. > > I've never been able to develop John's line backward. Thought perhaps the > SNIDER line came from around the Philadelpia area. > > Also, on my mother's side, I have a CRAWFORD line. John CRAWFORD from > Ayrshire, SCOTLAND was the immigrant. One Judith CRAWFORD married into the > TERRY line. Judith's line was out of New Kent Co. & Amherst Co., VA. > > If I can help, let me know. > > Gerre > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gerre... I am looking for the parents of William H. Snider of Craig County, VA, married Lerry E. He was born 1891. Any ideas? Parents? Vince On 10/30/07, Gerre Byrd <ggengard@comcast.net> wrote: > Vince, remember me - Gerre Engard Byrd????? > > It's good to see you working on the Botetourt site. A related group of > ENGARDS spelled ENGART migrated from Phila. to Botetourt Co. abt 1800. One > of the ENGARTS married a SNIDER. Mary ENGART married John SNIDER 1831 > Botetourt Co. > > I've never been able to develop John's line backward. Thought perhaps the > SNIDER line came from around the Philadelpia area. > > Also, on my mother's side, I have a CRAWFORD line. John CRAWFORD from > Ayrshire, SCOTLAND was the immigrant. One Judith CRAWFORD married into the > TERRY line. Judith's line was out of New Kent Co. & Amherst Co., VA. > > If I can help, let me know. > > Gerre > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It's great to hear from you - of course I remember you! I will look more closely to see about Sniders and Crawfords to see if there is some connection. I am just taking a brief break, and cannot get into it now, but I will check up later - probably Friday. Vince On 10/30/07, Gerre Byrd <ggengard@comcast.net> wrote: > Vince, remember me - Gerre Engard Byrd????? > > It's good to see you working on the Botetourt site. A related group of > ENGARDS spelled ENGART migrated from Phila. to Botetourt Co. abt 1800. One > of the ENGARTS married a SNIDER. Mary ENGART married John SNIDER 1831 > Botetourt Co. > > I've never been able to develop John's line backward. Thought perhaps the > SNIDER line came from around the Philadelpia area. > > Also, on my mother's side, I have a CRAWFORD line. John CRAWFORD from > Ayrshire, SCOTLAND was the immigrant. One Judith CRAWFORD married into the > TERRY line. Judith's line was out of New Kent Co. & Amherst Co., VA. > > If I can help, let me know. > > Gerre > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vince, remember me - Gerre Engard Byrd????? It's good to see you working on the Botetourt site. A related group of ENGARDS spelled ENGART migrated from Phila. to Botetourt Co. abt 1800. One of the ENGARTS married a SNIDER. Mary ENGART married John SNIDER 1831 Botetourt Co. I've never been able to develop John's line backward. Thought perhaps the SNIDER line came from around the Philadelpia area. Also, on my mother's side, I have a CRAWFORD line. John CRAWFORD from Ayrshire, SCOTLAND was the immigrant. One Judith CRAWFORD married into the TERRY line. Judith's line was out of New Kent Co. & Amherst Co., VA. If I can help, let me know. Gerre

Thank you very much. Vince ":O)> On 10/21/07, Jaymee Jenkins <jjandtjenkins@embarqmail.com> wrote: > find Grief Crawford in 1840 and 1850 Botetourt census, I think you have the 1850 and 1840 only lists head of household > > 1880 Census, Amsterdam, Botetourt, VA > Greif (sic) Crawford head 82 wd VA VA VA > Minerva Snider 16 s > George Crawford g'son 14 s > > Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850 > GRIEF CRAWFORD NANCY SHORT 22 Jul 1819 Pittsylvania > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wandawood48 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/2433.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I cannot tell you have happy this makes me to finally hear from you. I have been trying to reach family of my aunts and uncles on my fathers side. I only know that Aunt Stella was the first born of my dad's siblings. I remember him speaking of her. I have a sister named after her (Stella Irene Sparks Laflore). I have pictures of my father and some of his family would love to share with you. My phone # is 540-890-8999 and my cell is 540-312-8998. I was the first born of my dads second marriage and was born in Eagle Rock by Doctor Rankin in 1956. Please reply A.s.a.p Wanda Sparks Wood Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: banjomandan_1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/2433.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ray and Stella had 4 children. Christine born 1933, Margaret born 1935, Claude born 1937 and Betty born 1938. We lived in Eagle Rock until we were out of school and some in teens and then moved to Florida. Claude was killed in 1981. Christine passed away June 28 this year from a stroke. Would be thrilled to hear from you. Margaret{Dwier]Dubberly Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

http://ourvalley.org/news.php?viewStory=1740 Come early and check out the Genealogy Room. Rena

http://www.rootsweb.com/~vafrankl/bedford_pension.html Aaron Powell W5566 Benjamin Johnson R5674 Benjamin Meador S9405 CharlesMelson S38209 Chesley Callaway S30917 DudleyCallaway S39282 Edward Casey S39291 Elisha Barton S19198 George Smith S38386 James and Susan White Callaway W9771 John Wigginton W6547 Micajah and Frances Hawkins Callaway W6646 Rebecca Dickerson Howell widow of David Howell R5299 Robert Boyle S15755 Sarah Turner Holland widow of Drury Holland W3419

http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/deeds/02db169.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/deeds/06db442.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/deeds/19db273.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/deeds/21db151.txt http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/bedford/wills/g653s1ad.txt

Lynn Andrews Copied these a few weeks ago, and has transcribed them for us. Others will be added as I receive them. Thank you Lynn. http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaboteto/caldwell.html

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: byronbowman1 Surnames: Davis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/2435/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ancestor, Robert Davis appears to have moved to Surry County, NC between 1800 & 1810. He is listed there in the 1810, 1820, 1830, & 1840 US Censuses. In the 1840 census listing he is reported as a revolutionary war veteran aged 85. I believe he is the Rev. War Pensioner listed below**. If so, he was probably living in Botetourt Co, VA when he enlisted in the 1st regiment of the VA line, and he died in Surry County NC where his will was recorded 9 Dec 1841 in the Surry County Will Book 4 page 264. Robert's will seems to confirm that he & Abigail were parents of Jesse Davis (who was father of America Davis, my mother's paternal grandmother). In the 1850 US Census for Surry County NC, Abigail is living in the household of her son Jesse Davis, and she is listed as having been born in NY. Does anyone on the list know when Capt Isaac Taylor might have enlisted Robert Davis in Botetourt County? where Capt Isaac Taylor might have enlisted Robert Davis in Botetourt County? if Robert Davis returned to Botetourt County after the revolutionary war? if Robert Davis was married to Abigail in Botetourt County? I will be very grateful for any information or leads about a Robert Davis who might have been born in 1755 and who could have enlisted in the VA line in Botetourt County. Sincerely, Byron Bowman **Southern Campaign American Revolution Pension Statements Pension Application of Robert Davis: S2500 Transcribed and annotated by C. Leon Harris State of North Carolina} County of Surry} SS On this 14th day of August 1832 personally appeared before the undersigned Jonathan Whitaker, Geo A Jones & Jas Clanton acting justices of the peace for the county of Surry NC Robert Davis a resident of the county & state, aforesaid aged 77 years who being first duly sworn, according to law, doth on his oath make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832 that he enlisted in the army of the United States in the year [blank] with Capt Isaac Taylor and served with the 1st regiment of the Virginia line under the following named officers Capt J. Taylor, Major Quirck[?], Col John Montgomery. He enlisted for the term of three years in Bortetot [sic: Botetourt] County Virginia marched to the Mississippi River past the Mississippi he marched to a place called the Illinois Town from thence to the Wabash thence to the Sandusky plains where he was in a battle against the Indians from thence he was marched a! gain to the Iron Banks on the Mississippi [in the part of Virginia that became the state of Kentucky] and thence to the falls of the Ohio where he was wounded in the shoulder & where he remained until discharged by Col Montgomery his discharge he has lost he was during the time engaged in many skirmishes with the Indians During all which time he was a Sergeant Major. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Particularly the father, b 1778. Vince On 10/22/07, Dave Hicks <davelah@bellsouth.net> wrote: > Vincent and List > Are we talking about John Montgomery Crawford b 14 Feb 1778 the son of > William Crawford and Mary McRoberts or his son John Montgomery Crawford Born > 18 Mar 1827 Washington CO TN. > > Thanks > Dave Hicks > > -----Original Message----- > From: vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 3:04 AM > To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com > Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. John Montgomery CRAWFORD (Vincent E. Summers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:12:30 -0400 > From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> > Subject: [VABOTETO] John Montgomery CRAWFORD > To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <7fd2a1df0710201412q492ab401k4a4a8e701c43b33c@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Folks, > > I am down to this... Grasping at straws, it seems William Haynie > CRAWFORD, the Presbyterian preacher who was in Tennesee, > but who was briefly in Craig County, could well have been an > uncle (according to a researcher) of Paulina CRAWFORD. If so, > Grief CRAWFORD would appear to be, possibly, a brother to > William. Or something like that. > > If so, that puts Grief in a position to be related to John Montgomery > CRAWFORD of Craigs Creek. Since Craig County was not even > invented until 1851, it would appear the likely candidate is > Botetourt? That is where Paulina is from, anyway! > > Does anyone have info on JMC? > > Thanks, > Vince > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VABOTETO list administrator, send an email to > VABOTETO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VABOTETO mailing list, send an email to > VABOTETO@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 > **************************************** > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Vincent and List Are we talking about John Montgomery Crawford b 14 Feb 1778 the son of William Crawford and Mary McRoberts or his son John Montgomery Crawford Born 18 Mar 1827 Washington CO TN. Thanks Dave Hicks -----Original Message----- From: vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 3:04 AM To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 Today's Topics: 1. John Montgomery CRAWFORD (Vincent E. Summers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 17:12:30 -0400 From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> Subject: [VABOTETO] John Montgomery CRAWFORD To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7fd2a1df0710201412q492ab401k4a4a8e701c43b33c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Folks, I am down to this... Grasping at straws, it seems William Haynie CRAWFORD, the Presbyterian preacher who was in Tennesee, but who was briefly in Craig County, could well have been an uncle (according to a researcher) of Paulina CRAWFORD. If so, Grief CRAWFORD would appear to be, possibly, a brother to William. Or something like that. If so, that puts Grief in a position to be related to John Montgomery CRAWFORD of Craigs Creek. Since Craig County was not even invented until 1851, it would appear the likely candidate is Botetourt? That is where Paulina is from, anyway! Does anyone have info on JMC? Thanks, Vince ------------------------------ To contact the VABOTETO list administrator, send an email to VABOTETO-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the VABOTETO mailing list, send an email to VABOTETO@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 ****************************************

find Grief Crawford in 1840 and 1850 Botetourt census, I think you have the 1850 and 1840 only lists head of household 1880 Census, Amsterdam, Botetourt, VA Greif (sic) Crawford head 82 wd VA VA VA Minerva Snider 16 s George Crawford g'son 14 s Virginia Marriages, 1740-1850 GRIEF CRAWFORD NANCY SHORT 22 Jul 1819 Pittsylvania

Folks, I am down to this... Grasping at straws, it seems William Haynie CRAWFORD, the Presbyterian preacher who was in Tennesee, but who was briefly in Craig County, could well have been an uncle (according to a researcher) of Paulina CRAWFORD. If so, Grief CRAWFORD would appear to be, possibly, a brother to William. Or something like that. If so, that puts Grief in a position to be related to John Montgomery CRAWFORD of Craigs Creek. Since Craig County was not even invented until 1851, it would appear the likely candidate is Botetourt? That is where Paulina is from, anyway! Does anyone have info on JMC? Thanks, Vince

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jn2tv4 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/2434/mb.ashx Message Board Post: GENEALOGY NEWS ALERT Contact: rps@rememberrockford.com CALLING ALL COUSINS DESCENDED FROM FAMILIES OF ROCKFORD, NORTH CAROLINA The Rockford Preservation Society has announced the launch of its 2007 Remember Rockford capital campaign. A major thrust of the campaign is for the village to reconnect with the descendants of families for whom Rockford is an ancestral home. "The campaign offers these descendants a real opportunity to preserve for future generations of their families their heritage and their home," says Ms. Hannah Holyfield, President of the society. "We are going to work with genealogical groups and with ancestry sites on the Internet to reach out to descendants who may have only minimal knowledge about their ancestors' lives here but would like to know more. We plan to contact these descendants and ask them to help us restore the village and then, literally, to come back home." The culmination of the "Remember Rockford" campaign will be a Remember Rockford Families Reunion to be held in 2009. The reunion date will be set in the coming months. Anyone with family ties to Rockford is encouraged to go to rememberrockford.com and register to receive news updates of planned events for the coming months. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

1860 Botetourt Grief Crawford 70 Nancy 70 Saml 22 Jno 18 Mary 40 Jane 10 May 8 Note the above. Clearly not all of the last 5 names are children of Grief and Nancy. In order for her to have had May, she would have gotten pregnant at age 63 - a rare feat, indeed! No. What is the case? It is hard to be certain. Yet, I think this may be admissable: Comparing the above with the 1850, 172/172 Grief Crawford 52 M Virginia Nancy Crawford 48 F Virginia Hiram Crawford 21 M Virginia Polly Crawford 20 F Virginia Jackson Crawford 18 M Virginia Lucy Crawford 16 F Virginia Samuel Crawford 11 M Virginia John Crawford 9 M Virginia Francis Crawford 2[?] M Virginia Hiram appears to be a son who moved away from home after 1849 sometime, but before 1861. Polly, Jackson, Lucy, Samuel and John appear to be children. Francis appears to be a grandchild. In 1870, Polly is listed with a Jane and a Minerva. I suggest Paulina Jane and Frances Minerva or Frances May - hence I suggest Paulina Jane and Fannie M CRAWFORD, buried at Oriskany, are Grief's grandchildren, through his daughter Mary or Polly. Of course, there is a possible flaw. With CRAWFORD, I've come to expect that! 1870 lists a Griff Crawford, but only aged 66, with a Nancie, aged 55, a John and a Samuel. Also a Martha, however. I am thinking this may have been a son to Grief and Nancy who left the next *before* 1850. A first-born is often named for good ole Dad. It is common to name children after brothers and sisters. The wife's name *is* a curious coincidence - but I suggest it *is* a coincidence, and that Grief and Griff are not the identical person. Vince P.S. Comments, evidence, etc., not only welcomed, but requested.

Hi Patti, Nice to hear from you.  This has been the strangest thing as you noted there was Elizabeth Salmon that married Samuel Henry and then when this Elizabeth Salmon married William Henry in 1802, again is listed Jacob Salmon. I've hoped someone might have something regarding this later Elizabeth. If I'm correct then she must have died in Botetourt Co. shortly after her two sons William and John Henry were born.  Carolyn > Carolyn > There was also an Elizabeth Salmon m.  Samuel Henry 18 Dec 1790 Botetourt > Co., VA. Elizabeth was the d/o Jacob Salmon. Sorry I don't have any further > data on them. > Patti > ---- CCA44@aol.com wrote: > >Does anyone on the list have this couple:  William Henry married Elizabeth > >Salmon June 8, 1802 in Botetourt Co. VA. > > > >I believe this may be the first marriage for William Henry who died 1814 > >Botetourt Co. and of whom I've been researching for quite some time now. If > anyone > >has this couple in their research would you please contact me. I would be > >happy to share the documentation I have for William Henry. > > > >Sincerely, > >Carolyn Mason Anderson > >ggranddaughter of William A. Henry b. 1804 Botetourt Co. VA. > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com