Dan, The earlier spelling of the name Vinyard/Vineyard is Weinert. This seems to be distinct from the Wenger variations. Richard R. Weber ---------- > From: Daniel Lee Wenger <DanielWenger@worldnet.att.net> > To: VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Gish/Vinyard/Wingert/Wenger issue > Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 8:11 PM > > I am trying to sharpen up my understanding of the Jacob B. Gish marriage. > If there is anyone > on this group who could comment on the following I would appreciate it. > Also, if there is a Gish email > group that I could post this material to I would appreciate hearing about > it. I have seen one GEDCOM file that > gives Anna's father as Isaac White Vinyard. Is there anyone who knows the > source of this information? > > Many thanks. > > Dan Wenger > > The assumption that I am working on is that Anna Wingert who married Jacob > Gish is the daughter of Martin Wenger/Wingert of Franklin Co. Pa. I have > only circumstantial evidence to go on here. > > 1) Martin's family was from around Jonestown, Swatara Twp. Lancaster Co. > (now Lebanon Co.) Pa. The Gish family was from Lebanon Twp. Lancaster Co. > Pa., presumably this was just south of Jonestown. Martin's sister Judith > Wenger married Martin Funk and lived just north of the town of Lebanon, > presumably in Lebanon Twp.. Martin moved to Franklin Co. (then Cumberland > Co.) Pa. quite early (by 1775) and settled just north of Chambersburg. He > was the first Mennonite Deacon in Franklin Co. > > 2) One of Martin's sons, Joseph Wenger, went to Botetourt Co. Va. from > Franklin Co. Pa. and his descendants are still there. > > 3) A daughter of Jacob Gish and Anna Wingert, Elizabeth Gish, married > Christian Wenger/Wingert who I believe is a nephew of Martin > Wenger/Wingert, ie. Elizabeth married her second cousin. > > 4) I believe that Jacob Gish went to Va. from Lebanon Twp. Lancaster Co. > Pa. via Franklin Co. Pa. and probably met Anna there. I believe that they > were married about 1786 or 1787 in Pa. He was in the Fed. census of 1790 in > Cumberland Co. Pa. He is reported to have moved to Daleville, Va. in 1792 > with family. > > 5) George Houk, the father of Sophia Houk who married Christian Gish, was a > neighbor of Martin Wenger/Wingert in Franklin Co. Pa. There was thus an > opportunity for Jacob and Anna to have met in Franklin Co. Pa. George > Houk's grandson Jacob Gish and Martin Wenger's daughter Anna could well > have met due to George and Martin living as neighbors. > > 6) There are no other known Wenger/Wingert families in the area that Anna > could be from. There is the Christian Vinyard family and Anna's name has > been given as Anna Vinyard, but the death record for Jacob Gish in > Botetourt Co. Va gives that he married first Anna Wingert and secondly > Catharine (Stover) Sizer. Jacob did use the name Vinyard in his will. There > is an interesting mystery here. The name Wenger is usually given as meaning > a mountain meadow or alp. The Wengers were thought to have originally come > from such locations in Switzerland, ie. Wengen, Switzerland. But vinyard > has also been given for the meaning of the name Wenger. So the mystery is, > is the Christian Vinyard family of Va. really a Wenger family? Since the > town of Vinton is named after the Vinyard family one wonders if the name of > the town comes ultimately from the name Wenger. > > Daniel Lee Wenger > Santa Cruz, CA > DanielWenger@worldnet.att.net > http://hum14.ucsc.edu > > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The VAGenWeb's Surname Register is located at URL: > http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/vasurnam.htm

I am trying to sharpen up my understanding of the Jacob B. Gish marriage. If there is anyone on this group who could comment on the following I would appreciate it. Also, if there is a Gish email group that I could post this material to I would appreciate hearing about it. I have seen one GEDCOM file that gives Anna's father as Isaac White Vinyard. Is there anyone who knows the source of this information? Many thanks. Dan Wenger The assumption that I am working on is that Anna Wingert who married Jacob Gish is the daughter of Martin Wenger/Wingert of Franklin Co. Pa. I have only circumstantial evidence to go on here. 1) Martin's family was from around Jonestown, Swatara Twp. Lancaster Co. (now Lebanon Co.) Pa. The Gish family was from Lebanon Twp. Lancaster Co. Pa., presumably this was just south of Jonestown. Martin's sister Judith Wenger married Martin Funk and lived just north of the town of Lebanon, presumably in Lebanon Twp.. Martin moved to Franklin Co. (then Cumberland Co.) Pa. quite early (by 1775) and settled just north of Chambersburg. He was the first Mennonite Deacon in Franklin Co. 2) One of Martin's sons, Joseph Wenger, went to Botetourt Co. Va. from Franklin Co. Pa. and his descendants are still there. 3) A daughter of Jacob Gish and Anna Wingert, Elizabeth Gish, married Christian Wenger/Wingert who I believe is a nephew of Martin Wenger/Wingert, ie. Elizabeth married her second cousin. 4) I believe that Jacob Gish went to Va. from Lebanon Twp. Lancaster Co. Pa. via Franklin Co. Pa. and probably met Anna there. I believe that they were married about 1786 or 1787 in Pa. He was in the Fed. census of 1790 in Cumberland Co. Pa. He is reported to have moved to Daleville, Va. in 1792 with family. 5) George Houk, the father of Sophia Houk who married Christian Gish, was a neighbor of Martin Wenger/Wingert in Franklin Co. Pa. There was thus an opportunity for Jacob and Anna to have met in Franklin Co. Pa. George Houk's grandson Jacob Gish and Martin Wenger's daughter Anna could well have met due to George and Martin living as neighbors. 6) There are no other known Wenger/Wingert families in the area that Anna could be from. There is the Christian Vinyard family and Anna's name has been given as Anna Vinyard, but the death record for Jacob Gish in Botetourt Co. Va gives that he married first Anna Wingert and secondly Catharine (Stover) Sizer. Jacob did use the name Vinyard in his will. There is an interesting mystery here. The name Wenger is usually given as meaning a mountain meadow or alp. The Wengers were thought to have originally come from such locations in Switzerland, ie. Wengen, Switzerland. But vinyard has also been given for the meaning of the name Wenger. So the mystery is, is the Christian Vinyard family of Va. really a Wenger family? Since the town of Vinton is named after the Vinyard family one wonders if the name of the town comes ultimately from the name Wenger. Daniel Lee Wenger Santa Cruz, CA DanielWenger@worldnet.att.net http://hum14.ucsc.edu

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Wanted to forward this to the list members... Vicky Agee Subject: Goodell Bible Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 18:35:11 -0500 From: "Robin Carpenter" <rlee@penn.com> To: Family_Bibles-L@rootsweb.com I have had this bible in my possesion for years but it is not from my family. I just collect bibles. If it belongs in your family, let me know and I'd be glad to send it along to you. Bible dated 1876 Lorin Goodell and Josephine Shepard United in marriage July 20, 1873 Born: Eva L. Goodell May 27, 1875 Addie B. Goodell Nov. 16, 1877 Herbert J. Goodell Nov 16, 1881 United in marriage: George O. Hubbard and Eva L. Goodell June 20, 1892 Born: Winthrop M. Hubbard March 23, 1896 Clarence Hubbard Sept. 12, 1898 United in marriage: Charles H. Townsend and Addie B. Goodell Nov. 27, 1894 Born: Ruby E. Townsend January 3, 1896 Fri. No locations were mentioned in this Bible. Let me know if it belongs to anyone. I also have a few more bibles I'll be posting. Robin rlee@penn.com http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/5173

I would also be interested in the membership and or cemetery records, I believe that you are referring to the Mt.. Union Methodist Church at the intersection of Route 630 and Route 779. The Church appears locked up tight and not in use. I believe that this is also the same "church" and cemetery as "Edzler's Meeting House and Glebe Graveyard. Many members of the Bryan McDonald family are supposed to be buried there but when I visited there were just a few. Is the Glebe graveyard somewhere else? -----Original Message----- From: Karen Smith <klws@socket.net> To: VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, November 02, 1998 12:40 AM Subject: Mountain Union Church >I am trying to locate membership records for the Mountain Union >Church in the Fincastle area. I would appreciate any suggestions >anyone might have about where to locate these records. > >Thanks! > >Karen >klws@socket.net >Genealogists never die, they just lose their census. > > >==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== >The VAGenWeb's QueryPage for the "Unknown County" is at URL: >http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/vaquery.htm > >

I am seeking information about Peter Reilly who died in Botetourt Co, Va on June 14, 1812. Are death records available from that area for that period? Is someone able to look such records up for me or tell me where to reach them? Thank you Barry Reilly

Note where the land is: For example Roanoke County was formed in 1830 (I believe) so if the land is now in what is Roanoke county, a sale of 1849 would be recorded in Roanoke county, not Botetourt Co. At 09:59 AM 11/1/98 PST, Debbie Johns wrote: >On Pg 35 of "Out From the Blue Ridge" by Morris S. Kessler there is a >paragraph pertaining to my BOWER family that I need to check into. In >summary it saids that there was some land sold in 1849 from the Bower >family to a John Bower. William Kessler had married a Catherine Bower >who was deceased but he had signed as heir. I believe that my GEORGE >BOWER Bower was Catherine's brother. The 1849 land sell listed the >brothers and sisters. WHERE CAN I FIND THIS LAND SELL? I have already >tried the Botetourt Co. Clerk of Court office. >Thanks for your help. >Debbie in SC at dejo@hotmail.com > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > >==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== >Planning a Family Reunion? Post your schedule at URL: >http://members.aol.com/camorrison/vareunio/reunion.htm > > > Patricia Smith smithpat@iex.net

I am trying to locate membership records for the Mountain Union Church in the Fincastle area. I would appreciate any suggestions anyone might have about where to locate these records. Thanks! Karen klws@socket.net Genealogists never die, they just lose their census.

On Pg 35 of "Out From the Blue Ridge" by Morris S. Kessler there is a paragraph pertaining to my BOWER family that I need to check into. In summary it saids that there was some land sold in 1849 from the Bower family to a John Bower. William Kessler had married a Catherine Bower who was deceased but he had signed as heir. I believe that my GEORGE BOWER Bower was Catherine's brother. The 1849 land sell listed the brothers and sisters. WHERE CAN I FIND THIS LAND SELL? I have already tried the Botetourt Co. Clerk of Court office. Thanks for your help. Debbie in SC at dejo@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Hello, If anyone has the book "Botetourt County, Virginia, Children," by Charles T. Burton, would you please tell me the page number with DENTONs on it. I have a copy of the page without the page number! Sincerely, Pat Patricia Smith smithpat@iex.net

William Bowen (s/o John Bowen Jr. & Rachel Mathews; gr-s/o John Bowen Sr. & Lily McIlhaney) married Elizabeth Smith, 1795 Botetourt Co 1795. Had siblings - John III, Arthur (died young), Moses (probably died in Rev. War), Anne, Elizabeth & Rebecca. What happened to William & Elizabeth? Where did they go? Some say they stayed in Virginia. (Some evidence that this William Bowen was in middle TN later.) Who were their children? If any? Would appreciate any info on William and Elizabeth (Smith) Bowen, and their descendants.

Hi Charles I have had success with the courthouse directly. Just write to the address below and request a copy. These are copies of the original documents. Include name, date of death, and this... Valuation of estate ret. March 1777. It does'nt usually take long. Also include enough money to cover copying and postage costs. Copies are 50 cents per page. $3.00 should be enough. Hope this helps. Vicky Botetourt County Clerk P.O. Box 219 Fincastle, Va. 24090 (540)473-8274 Could someone possibly lookup the full text of the following Will/Estate for me, or tell me how I can obtain a copy of this proceeding? >>>>MONTGOMERY, Samuel - Botetourt Co., SW VA, briefs of Wills (m - o)<<<< > >>>>MONTGOMERY, Samuel, deceased. .<<<<

Hi .. am looking for info on James Edward LAVEN who married Mary Elizabeth LIPES (daughter of Samuel Moses LIPES and Julia Ann HOUSMAN) in Botetourt County on 25 Mar 1880. Anyone recognize this family? I have no info on death dates or possible children from this marriage. Don't even know if they stayed in Botetourt County? Thanks in advance... --jennifer

Searching for Thomas BROWN b. 6/23/1773 Botetourt County, VA married Nancy LITTON 11/5/1795 in Botetourt County, Va. Moved to Jackson County, Tn 1801 where they bought 8,000 acres of land on Flynn's Lick. Looking for parents and sibling of both. Have information to share. Kindest regards, Vivian Vaillancourt Eagal Mobile, Alabama

Could someone possibly lookup the full text of the following Will/Estate for me, or tell me how I can obtain a copy of this proceeding? >>>>MONTGOMERY, Samuel - Botetourt Co., SW VA, briefs of Wills (m - o)<<<< > >>>>MONTGOMERY, Samuel, deceased. Valuation of estate ret. March 1777.<<<< > Any suggestions and/or help would be appreciated. This estate possibly establishes the ancestry of my gggg grandfather James Montgomery and hopefully tells how he was cared for at the young age of 3 when his probable father died. Charles Austin Please reply directly to: Charles_Aust@ MSN.COM Chattanooga, TN Charles Edwin Austin, Sr

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I'm the host of the QueryPage at URL: http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/bote-qry.htm Queries posted this past week mentioned the following surnames: ANTRIM, BALLARD, BECKNER, COX, DAVIS, FLOYD, GILL, GUILL, MARX, McCLUNG, MEANS, PAYNE, PERKINS, QUARRY, SNODGRASS, WALKER I'm not a researcher of these names, so PLEASE don't write me with questions about them ... ;) Regards, Freddie S. fspradlin@delphi.com 3448 W. 170th St., Torrance, CA 90504-2402

Dear Fellow Researchers, Since my last postings I have confirmed that my g-grandmother's (Lucy Jane BANISTER POGUE) parents were Jane HILL BANISTER and Jenkins BANISTER (Sr. ?). They were FPOC (Free People of Color) listed in the 1850 and 1860 censuses in Botetourt. Because of there large age difference, I believe that Jane HILL was Jenkins BANISTER's 2nd wife. There are BANISTER's in the household in 1850 and 1860 who seem too old to be Jane's children and too young to be Jenkins' siblings - this also seems to point to a prior wife. In addition, I believe that a Julia HILL in the household in 1850 must be Jane's sister. I feel very fortunate to have gotten back this far on this line. I would be most appreciative if anyone has any information on any of these people or information on any relatives that they would be willing to share. Verna Bullock Lewis

I recently found my connection to John WEBB father of John and Jesse WEBB. My line is through Jesse born about 1766, possibly in Virginia, and Anna McMURTRY born 1768 in Botetourt, Bedford Co., Virginia. Anna was the daugher of Joseph McMURTRY and Susannah PATTON. Joseph born about 1733, possibly in New Jersey. His parents were Joseph McMURTRY DOB 1685 in Dalmelling Ayrshire, Scotland and Ann BOONE DOB 1692 in Germantown, Pennsylvania. Susannah's parents were Jacob PATTON and Jennet B.. Susannah PATTON and Joseph McMURTRY were married in Bedford, Virginia on 8-27-1759. Thomas WEBB was the son of Jesse WEBB and Anna McMURTRY. He was born in 1785 in State of Franklin (can someone explain this to me?) and he married Eleanor Penelope "Nellie" McMURTRY who was in 1796 in Caney Branch, Green Co., North Carolina/Tennessee. One of their sons was William WEBB born 1825 in Jefferson Co. Tennessee. William married Martha A. CLIFTON. Martha was born in 1836, place unknown. One of their sons was James Alexander WEBB born in 1853 in Jefferson Co. Tennessee. The family later moved to Cherokee Co. Alabama. In 1878 James married Sarah Agnes CLIFTON born in about 1852. My information says that Sarah's parents were Aaron CLIFTON born in 1812 and an Unnamed Indian Woman. I have no place of birth for Sarah or her parents, but the first record I have on them has them in Blount Co. Alabama. I would love to have any information about Sarah's mother. I hate writing down Unknown Indian Woman. Sarah and James were married in 1878 in Alabama. My information is that the BOONE, PATTON, and McMURTRY families were Quakers. It is possible that the WEBB family was also Quaker. The CLIFTON family is a great mystery to me and now that there is a CLIFTON/WEBB marriage before James and Sarah I am even more confused. I know that CLIFTON isn't a real unusual name, but the are all in the same area and I'm willing to grasp a straws. Any information on these families would be appreciated. Jenny Lee Tolbert vernab1@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]