Hi Kara, Are you doing look-up, for the Children of VA? If so would you look and see if there are any Rowe/Roe children. Thanks, Sharon

Kara, I'm new to some terms and things. What is FHC? What years are covered with the microfiche that you obtained. Since it's not microfilm how many frames are on a sheet? Thanks Patti IvyTree29@aol.com wrote: > >>> I just ordered Botetourt Co., VA Children on microfiche from the FHC. >>> > > Kara, are there any Tanner children listed in the book? I am looking for > children of Frederick Tanner - Frederick born abt 1828 in Bedford Co., Va.. Do > not know his wife's name. Frederick disappeared from Bedford County before > 1850. I know there were quite a few children. > > Thanks a lot. > > Maxine Crabtree > ivytree29@aol.com > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The VAGenWeb's QueryPage for the "Unknown County" is at URL: > http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/vaquery.htm

Would you mind looking to see what you have listed for Minnich or Minnick in Botetourt County Virginia. Thank You Alison Martin Brunow

>>> I just ordered Botetourt Co., VA Children on microfiche from the FHC. >>> Kara, are there any Tanner children listed in the book? I am looking for children of Frederick Tanner - Frederick born abt 1828 in Bedford Co., Va.. Do not know his wife's name. Frederick disappeared from Bedford County before 1850. I know there were quite a few children. Thanks a lot. Maxine Crabtree ivytree29@aol.com

Looking for information about Elizabeth Johns marriage to Alexander Armstrong on 10 May 1820 in Botetourt Co, VA. Elizabeth Johns b ca 1802 Botetourt Co, VA was the dau of Jacob Johns and Mary ? . I believe Jacob to be the son of Jacob "Hons" Johns and Cathren ? . Any information would be appreciated. Wally

Here is more concerning ancestral monetary systems and tax payments, good info! Neil McDonald >The petition above this one is dated Oct. 1766 >From Chalkey: "In 1738 Act was passed for giving incouragement for the >settling the Frontiers by which the Inhabitants of Frederick and Augusta >were allowed to Pay off and discharge the Public County and Parish Levies >and all officers' fees in money for Tobacco at 3 farthings per pound. This >Act was made perpetual. In 1748, Act passed allowing every minister then, >or that should be thereafter, preferred to and Parish 16,000 pounds tobacco >and Cask. In 1752, or thereabouts, the Minister of Augusta Parish >Petitioned the Assembly setting forth the allowance made by the Act of 1738 >was too small to maintain him and Family, for till then he only received his >tobacco at 3/4d. per pound, amounting to L50 per annum, ...... Now the >Question is whether the Act made in 1738, or that made in 1748, is in Force. >And if the latter, how is the tobaccos to be levied and collected. As the >Inhabitants pays all their fees and levies in money." >We learned in Economics that if coinage or paper money is not available a >population will use any readily available but valuable commodity for barter. >Many prisons had cigarette economies. Susan in Oregon, alex@actionnet.net

-----Original Message----- From: Kara & Rob McWilliams <robmcw@gatecom.com> To: VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.cvom <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.cvom> Date: Thursday, January 28, 1999 9:49 AM Subject: Botetourt Co., VA Children KINZERs >I just ordered Botetourt Co., VA Children on microfiche from the FHC. Here >are the KINZERs that are found in the book. There weren't many, but I hope >it helps someone. > >Kara > >Kinzer, George M.L. & Martha Ann M. > Marcella James b. 5-16-1854 > Bertha Rose Virginia b. 11-9-1855 (b. Bed. Co., reported in Bot. Co., >Va.) > > >

Koontz, George &Ann Eliza Irvine b.ca. 1855, d. 11-9-1856 (see Death Book)

Dear Botetourt Co. Researchers, I just ordered Botetourt Co., VA Children on microfiche from the FHC. Here are the Goodes that are found in the book. I don't know how there connect to my Thomas and Hannah SAINTENTATTER GOOD, but they're probably cousins. Kara Goode, --- Abraham b. 5-25-1794 bound to George Hepler on 1-15-1800 Goode, Harvey L. & Martha Charlotte James Christian b.ca. 1854, d.8-8-1854 (see Death Book) George Thomas b. 10-6-1855 (male) b. 8-15-1858 (reported by uncle, Samuel Good) Goode, Mary Benjamin a child on 5-12-1829, bound to Henry Vinyard Goode, Samuel & Rosanna Nancy Susan b. 3-14-1854 Goode, Thomas & Mary Lucy b.ca. 1831 (See 1850 census Bath County Va.) Alice b.ca. 1835 (See 1850 census Bath County Va.) Goode, Thomas & Margaret (or Martha) E. (female) b.11-15-1854 (male) b. 3-7-1856, d. 3-9-1856 (see Death Book) Hester M. b. 3-20-1857 William F. b. 10- - 1861 (male) b.3- - 1870

Hello, seeking information on Mary Rowland, born March 11,1764 Botetourt Co,Virginia married Edward McDonald. thanks E. Kyle MONTANA14@prodigy.net ---------- > From: OpusLola@aol.com > To: VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: LOONEY > Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 6:01 AM > > To all Looney/Luna researchers. I have some information on a branch of the > Looney family of Botetourt/Augusta Co., VA located within my ROWLAND page. > Information is a bit scattered, beginning about 1740 in VA and again in abt > 1840 in MS. It can be found at the following address: > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4945/thomas.html > Hope it connects to you all. Ron Hughes > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The VAGenWeb's QueryPage for the "Unknown County" is at URL: > http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/vaquery.htm

I know that Timber Ridge Church, near Fairfield north of Lexington, Va. is still in use. In the 1750's it was a Presbyterian Church. Also, I found a history on Rev. Alexander Craighead, who preached at the church as well as at a church he founded on the Cowpasture River. You can check at Washington & Lee University library, in Lexington for the Craighead data and additional church information. In 1758, following the defeat of Gen. Braddock in the French and Indian War, many settlers on the floor of the Shenandoah Valley followed Rev. Craighead south into the Carolinas for safety from the marauding Indians. Good hunting, Don -----Original Message----- From: MissA2D4M@aol.com <MissA2D4M@aol.com> To: VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 11:09 PM Subject: Churches in Botetourt County Virginia >Can anyone assist me with information on any surviving turn of the century >churches in Botetourt County . Any of the Methodist denomination would be >particurally helpful. It has just come to light that my methodist reverand >great grandfather preached in this area and I am looking to find where he may >have preached. Any assistance would be appreciated. > >thank you > >Alison martin Brunow > >______________________________

My father has a family bible for James Asbury Deel (b. in Illinois). Scotch taped into it are fragile pages of what I presume are his father's, Peter Deel's, family bible pages. These would have been taped in by my grandfather. Peter Deel b. 5/27/1804 in Botetort, VA, to Henry and Ruthanna Deel; m. 9/1/1825 Sydney Snyder b. abt 8/5/1803 in Botetort, VA, to Peter Snider. 8 childern are listed. I have not used the Web a lot and am even less confident with the Sir name listing and what I do next. I am interested in their parents and on back of course, but also in figuring about where they lived and how this can be researched. By the birth of James Asbury Deel they lived in Schuyler, Ill. I have been assuming getting there was a big move. Maybe, or maybe the county map changed?

Thomas Markham wrote: > > My name is Thomas A. Markham Sr., I am new on this list. I am doing > genealogical work on my family Line in both Bedford and Botetourt > Counties. My Line is from John Markham, Nathaniel E., Jesse E., > Benjamin R., Walter A. Sr., W. Allen Jr., Myself, My Children, and > Grandchildren. I would appreciate any help I can get, and will be glad > to share information. > > Will Be Waiting, > Tommy

I apologize to anyone that may receive this message more than once. I am trying to get the word out about this new surname list. A new surname list has been created for the surname Crofoot and its various spellings: Crofut, Croffut, Crofutt, Crowfoot, etc. To subscribe in list mode, send a message to CROFOOT-L-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" in the body. To subscribe in digest mode, send a message to CROFOOT-D-request@rootsweb.com with the word "subscribe" in the body. Please forward this message to any researchers of this surname that you know. Thanks. Lori Camper, list owner campers@iname.com ICQ #2485917 Diggin' up Camper/Kemper, Clevenger, Crofut, Holloway, King, Wood, Yarbrough My Genealogy Site: http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/a/m/Lori-L-Camper My Personal Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/9878/

Re: the posting of "...Thanks for the info!... I have a distant relative who had a license for a tavern and will include this info in the family narrative." I learned one of the inputs to my posting on this subject was paraphrased from a published book: SOME EARLY SOUTHERN SETTLERS by Billie Redding Lewis. Please acknowledge credit to the author if you distribute the following info from my earlier posting: (2) "In researching for my books on SW Virginia I learned that a night in an inn with meals and transportation was not valued as much as a gallon of whiskey. As you know when the Pilgrims came to New England they had never tasted water; same with those to Virginia; however, there were no land conducive to vinyards, or so they thought; so they raised corn and made corn liquor which they used as currency or for bartering. They sometimes used both methods. Sold the whiskey and used the money, but more often they bartered whiskey for something. I have a letter that one of my ancestors said he would settle the bill if the indebted would just send him so much whiskey. When my mother read the letter she was highly indignant until I explained the monetary system of the 17 and 1800s." Thanks to all who provided input, understanding the lives and times of our ancestors is just as important as learning family names and dates, to me (and others), possibly more. Our ancestors were 'real people' who did important things, each in their own way, when building the framework for our great country. Just like you and I in today's world, one vote, one petition or one attempt to 'make a difference' in some positive way, large or small, can indeed help us to collectively build an even better country and society. Neil McDonald It's also important to have a little fun along the way.

Does anyone know of mental institutions in or around Botetourt County, say in the years 1860-70? I've got one person I'm looking for who was listed as "insane" on the 1860 Bote. Co. census. Don't know when she died or where she's buried. Am not sure if she was living when husband died in 1866. Nothing in the probate records mentions her. Name: Susanna SHAFER CRAWFORD, born 1816. She was dau of John Shafer of Rockbridge Co. Shafer book has no further info on her except for her marriage to Andrew K. CRAWFORD of Botetourt Co. Any help with whereabouts of mental institutions is appreciated. Joanne Joanne A. Smith Mello jomello@innercite.com

In answer to my post last Saturday, I found a most competent researcher. She has already retrieved all requested information from the courthouse! Anyone interested, please e-mail me off-line. Thanks for your help! Maggie Phillips

Neil McDonald, Thank you for the interesting post on the early names. I descend from James McClure through his son John & Elizabeth Steel McClure, & His son Andrew & Mary Mitchell McClure so it was very interesting to read about them. Pat Treadwell Jim & Pat Treadwell Mrwonderful@bledsoe.net Researching: Briggs - Chambers - Charles - Johnston - Julian - Kyle - McClure - Miller - Pettipool - Phipps - Roach - Rook - Sears - Stewart - Stovall - Treadwell - Vaughan

The following was posted to another mailing list recently. With 'Beverly Manor' involved, this should be more applicable to present Botetourt Co. VA. I thought it interesting to find info about an early school in the area. Neil McDonald >In studying Chalkey's 'Chronicles of the Scots-Irish in VA,' I find reference to an early school-house in frontier VA (Orange Co., predecessor of Frederick Co.), see below. On-line research may be found at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/index.htm > >Estill vs. Ramsey--Deed, 5th June, 1739, Beverley to James McClure, of >Orange County, 108 acres in Beverley Manor, George Robinson's line. Test: >James Porteus, Thomas Wood, John Latham. Declaration: Samuel Estill >and Jane, formerly Jane Teas, daughter of William Teas, vs. John Ramsay. >Memorandum of deed from Beverley to John Hart, dated 23d, 24th July, >1740, George Robinson's line, corner Beverley Manor line. Deposition, 13th >October, 1792. John Dalhouse. John Finley, aged above 60 years. Deponent >went to school in 1747 in the house mentioned by Thomas Turk in his >depositions. The house was on James McClure's land. Andrew Steel, aged >about 56 years. Silas and John Hart were brothers and first purchasers. >Andrew McClure, son of James McClure, under whom Ramsey claims. Andrew >said he was present at the first running of the line for Hart. William >Finley. Samuel Steel. Andrew Ramsey, aged 47. Deed, 24th February, >1740. Daniel Manahan, of Orange County, to Joseph Teas, 900 acres in >Beverley Manor. Cor. Joseph Tees and Andrew McClure, Beverley Manor line. >John Hart's line, James McClure's line. Test: G. Home, John Pickins, >William Williams. Deed, 21st February, 1738. Beverley to Daniel >Monahan, of County Augusta. Test: Richard Winslow, John Lewis, John >Newport. Depositions 5th March, 1801. Andrew Steel, aged 58, son of >Samuel. Andrew Ramsey, aged 50. John Ramsey, father to defendant. >James Steel, aged 63, son of Samuel. Original deed, James McClure to >John Ramsey. Original deed, Beverley to John Hart, 1740. Deposition >Thomas Turk, aged 88 years, taken October 1798. He helped to build a >schoolhouse about 50 years ago at the foot of the hill in the tenant's >meadow; it was on McClure's land. Original deed, McClure to Ramsey, 1762. >Original patent, Dunwiddie to Joseph Teas, August, 1756, 200 acres in >Rockfish Gap. > >Copyright 1996, USGenWeb >NOTICE: Material may be freely used by non-commercial entities, as long as this message remains on all copied material, These electronic pages cannot be reproduced in any format for profit or other presentation. > >Neil McDonald >

To answer one question, it appears that taxes assessed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco' were often actually paid with tobacco. For those who did not grow tobacco, they likely paid with some other crop or equivalency (some apparently even paid with furs or 'bounty-type' pests at times.) Brokers or traders were apparently available who exchanged such commodities 'for cash' or barter. Financial accounting in those days was complex to say the least. See the following for info I have found concerning colonial monetary history: http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/topic/pamoney.html . (Scroll freely, this article includes other topics such as the VA-PA border dispute, varying land prices, McDonald genealogy and pointers for obtaining books.) As to 'hemp certificates,' such certificates apparently were required of farmers to raise and sell a hemp crop, as marketing of hemp was controlled by the Crown. The Royal Navy used a lot of hemp rope. 'Liquors rated' apparently pertained to the court setting the selling price of various liquors. (I am curious about how liquor was taxed and would like any references to such taxing, the excess of which ultimately led to a so-called 'Whiskey Rebellion' in several areas of frontier states, southwestern Pennsylvania was a primary example.) Following are various responses received to support the above summary. These include interesting information as to the lives and times of our ancestors. (1) Hemp was a crop controlled by the crown, a certificate was required to raise and sell the crop. Hemp was a necessary commodity for shipping and the Royal Navy required lots of rope. (2) In researching for my books on SW Virginia I learned that a night in an inn with meals and transportation was not valued as much as a gallon of whiskey. As you know when the Pilgrims came to New England they had never tasted water; same with those to Virginia; however, there were no land conducive to vinyards, or so they thought; so they raised corn and made corn liquor which they used as currency or for bartering. They sometimes used both methods. Sold the whiskey and used the money, but more often they bartered whiskey for something. I have a letter that one of my ancestors said he would settle the bill if the indebted would just send him so much whiskey. When my mother read the letter she was highly indignant until I explained the monetary system of the 17 and 1800s. (3) PAYMENT FOR TRANSATLANTIC TRIP ABOARD THE SAILING SHIP "AGREEMENT" Be it known to all men by these present that I, John Faulkner of Hogg Pen Neck in the county of Kent in the province of Maryland, Cordwaynder, [A person who makes shoes from Cordovan leather or a shoe maker] **in consideration of three-hundred pounds of tobacco, well and truly paid to me by Richard Fitzallen, the receipt whereof I do acknowledge by these present**, have assigned unto Mr. Daniel Jennifer of St. Maries all my right title, interest claim and demands of and to all those lands and rights to land which are become due unto me for or by reason of the condition of Plan Facon [A french word - fashion, manner, style] of the right Honorable Ceceleus Baltimore, Lord Proprietary Of the province of Maryland, for the transportation of myself and Elizabeth, my wife, and Thomas, Francis, and John, my children, with Eliza Bloxom and Thomas Jones, my servants, into the said Province on or about the twenty-second day of January, 1665, And do hereby, for the considerations aforesaid, assign and make over all my rights, title, interest, claim and demands of, and to all the premises to the said Daniel Jennifer to the only proper use and behold of him, his heirs and assignees forever. As witness my hand and seal this nineteenth day of November, 1665. John Faulkner X /s/ Nicholas Pichard X /s/ Edmond Barton X (4) Counties have Will, Deed, and Order books at their court-houses. The order books tell much info about taxes. Sometimes a road would need to be maintained, the county would tell families who owned land nearby how much they were to maintain, most of the time it was the section that ran along their property. (5) One Jacob Chrisman was fined 2,000 pounds of tobacco for keeping a tippling house without license. (6) The valley Germans differed from their countrymen in the Piedmont also in that they did not grow tobacco as a cash crop. Indeed, as a commodity, tobacco was so uncommon in the valley that the House of Burgesses considered " suffering the Inhabitants therof to pay all public Dues & Officers Fees in Hemp in lieu of Tobacco" (7) They were assessed taxes and fees, and paid in the crops they could or did grow. Sometimes they would pay with such items as even squirrel or crow -- when there were pest-type animals the government wanted to get rid of, it varied from year to year. (8) Chalkey I 1753-4 P.1 To the Worshipful Court of Augusta now sitting: We, the inhabitants of this County, have long felt the smart of the great indulgence the ordinary keepers of this County have met with in allowing them to sell such large quantities of rum and wine at an extravagant rate, by which our money is drained out of the County, for which we have no return but a fresh supply to pick our pockets. We, your petioners, humbly pray your worship to put a stop to the said liquors, which would encourage us to pursue our laborious designs, which is to raise sufficient quantities of grain which would sufficiently supply us with liquors and the money circulate in this County, and lay us under an obligation to pray for your prosperity. ( then follows a list of almost 100 signers) As far as I can figure out, Inns and taverns were regulated by the court. There are numerous reference to "licence to keep an ordinary or tavern" and I have seen lists of prices that can be charged for: a night's stay, an evening meal, stabling and feeding a horse, and various libations. I think this is because the licence made a monoply in a certain area and on his own the licencee might charge exorbident fees to to tired and hungry travelers. Specie of any sort was extremally hard to come by in the colonies. There is a will in Chalkey that mentions both Spanish Dubloons and English pounds. Many debts were settled with the products produced in the area. Someone could then take the product to market and buy what was needed. In Oregon the pioneers had the same problem. They produced a unit called the "Beaver". It was worth the equivalent of one beaver pelt. (9) County courts used to set the price at which certain liquors could be sold. I would think that setting liquor rates would mean setting selling prices.. Soldiers who served during the Indian wars when mustered out about 1754 were paid fifty pounds of tobacco or a specified amount of English money for their service..Apparently there were brokers or traders of some sort who would buy tobacco at any time and ship it to the ports and resell it or ship it overseas at a profit.... -----Original Message----- From: macbd1 <macbd1@arthur.k12.il.us> To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 6:08 PM Subject: Tobacco, hemp and liquor... >Our ancestral Virginia frontiersmen and women in the mid-1700's were sometimes taxed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco.' I'm wondering whether our ancestors actually paid 'in tobacco' (barter) or whether they paid 'in cash' after they marketed their tobacco. If 'in cash' this payment was likely made in Spanish milled dollars (coins) from my study. > >I note within Chalkey's Chronicles many court entries of "Hemp Certificates: (then a list of names.)" Does anyone know what these entries mean? Were these possibly to certify certain ancestral farmers were qualified to market hemp, or did these 'certificates' possibly have something to do with the hemp quality or payments, I wonder. Hemp was used for manufacturing rope, was it used for other purposes such as for bags (like burlap) or other products in those days? > >Many court entries simply state: "Liquors rated." (No names.) I doubt the court was conducting anything like today's wine-tasting (rating) parties.... or, did this more likely have something to do with setting the 'tax-rate,' I wonder. Some of our frontier ancestors didn't like the government over-taxing liquor since this was a higher-priced 'value-added' product from corn -- which was much easier to transport to distant markets than grain or flour. There was a so-called 'Whiskey-Rebellion' in the early 1790's as many of you probably know. > >Can anyone shed more light on these topics? Understanding such entries helps us appreciate the lives and times of our ancestors, not just jotting down names. Responding to the list might be helpful to others but I welcome private responses as well. > >Neil McDonald > > >==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== >Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >