Vince, It could be that she was away at school at the time. I had a great-aunt from Botetourt who was in school in Stuanton at that time. She was at a methodist school and there was also a presbyterian girls school that became Mary Baldwin. Patte Wood

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Painter Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/257.2 Message Board Post: This is in response to your question re: George Painter. According to family information that I have he is my GGGGGF. He was married to a Mary Sorrells. I came across information re: his father Henry Painter. Henry Painter was in the Revolutionary War. He was German by birth and married a woman named Sarah (maiden name unknown). Would be extremely interested in speaking with you. I can also forward the information that I came across.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Jenkins,Cash,Lambert,Smith,Losh,Hoover,Walters,Ramsey, Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1005 Message Board Post: Looking for info on William Cash whose daughter Nancy Jane married Benjamin H.Jenkins in 1840 in Botetourt Cty. She died in Sherwood,Va (Natural Bridge Station) Rockbridge Cty. Any info or pictures would be greatly appreciated.

What site are you talking abot, there is no link? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "qvarizona" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [VABOTETO-L] Check out Antebellum Illustrations > Many thanks for these scholarly contributions. > Joanne > > [email protected] wrote: > Hi Everyone > I thought this was a pretty good site.IT had some illistations of typical > homes and fields...examples of slave labor in the area etc... > > Click here: Antebellum Illustrations > and this site is also very good...gives good information. Things I never > knew. > Mountain Slaves & Livestock Production > > Becki > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > Only messages concerned with genealogy are appropriate for posting > to the list. If you have an off-topic message you want to post, > check with the listowner first at [email protected] > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The Second Sunday of each month will be set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please use the surname in the subject line, and tell us as much as possible about the person you are looking for.Good luck with your research. >

Sorry, but the links were showing when I clicked "send"... Here's what I was responding to: [email protected] wrote: Hi Everyone I thought this was a pretty good site.IT had some illistations of typical homes and fields...examples of slave labor in the area etc... Click here: Antebellum Illustrations and this site is also very good...gives good information. Things I never knew. Mountain Slaves & Livestock Production Hope they "travel" okay this time.... Joanne "L.W.D." <[email protected]> wrote: What site are you talking abot, there is no link? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "qvarizona" To: Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [VABOTETO-L] Check out Antebellum Illustrations > Many thanks for these scholarly contributions. > Joanne > > [email protected] wrote: > Hi Everyone > I thought this was a pretty good site.IT had some illistations of typical > homes and fields...examples of slave labor in the area etc... > > Click here: Antebellum Illustrations > and this site is also very good...gives good information. Things I never > knew. > Mountain Slaves & Livestock Production > > Becki > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > Only messages concerned with genealogy are appropriate for posting > to the list. If you have an off-topic message you want to post, > check with the listowner first at [email protected] > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The Second Sunday of each month will be set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please use the surname in the subject line, and tell us as much as possible about the person you are looking for.Good luck with your research. > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

Many thanks for these scholarly contributions. Joanne [email protected] wrote: Hi Everyone I thought this was a pretty good site.IT had some illistations of typical homes and fields...examples of slave labor in the area etc... Click here: Antebellum Illustrations and this site is also very good...gives good information. Things I never knew. Mountain Slaves & Livestock Production Becki ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== Only messages concerned with genealogy are appropriate for posting to the list. If you have an off-topic message you want to post, check with the listowner first at [email protected] --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

Hi Everyone I thought this was a pretty good site.IT had some illistations of typical homes and fields...examples of slave labor in the area etc... <A HREF="http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/faculty_archives/mountain_slavery/antebell.htm">Click here: Antebellum Illustrations</A> and this site is also very good...gives good information. Things I never knew. <A HREF="http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/faculty_archives/mountain_slavery/livestoc.htm">Mountain Slaves & Livestock Production</A> Becki

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/758.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I have Henry Harvey's son John (Spook) as being married to 1)Minerva Henry and 2) Rebecca Stinnett and John's children as George Washington, Louis, Jack, Mary, Lou, Ida M., Clearsie, and Sarah. Which children are with which wife I'm not sure. I hope this helps. Marilyn

Hello Do you have any listings for Augustine Bradley or John Bradley? I would appreciate it... ALso, if you see any other Bradley's listed.... Rebecca R. Snyder Bradley Desendant and Geneologist Keep our History Alive If only our ancestors would have realized their importance Surnames Bradley, Lillard, Vance, Brubaker, Howery, and Reynolds Counties of Interest Old Rag Mountain Area of Culpeper County,Va, Washington,Va, Madison,VA, Warren,Iowa,Eddysville, Iowa

Hello I was wondering where the Fincastle Troops were recruited from? John Bradley served with these troops and I want to know where they pulled out of Washington County, Fincastle, Botertet, Rappahanic (sp),Culpeper, or in that area? I want to see if he was in the area that would be come Abingdon or if he moved their AFTER the war? IS there any type of recollection of the battles these men fought in? I'd appreciate the information. Rebecca R. Snyder Bradley Desendant and Geneologist Keep our History Alive If only our ancestors would have realized their importance Surnames Bradley, Lillard, Vance, Brubaker, Howery, and Reynolds Counties of Interest Old Rag Mountain Area of Culpeper County,Va, Washington,Va, Madison,VA, Warren,Iowa,Eddysville, Iowa

Hello All, I am looking for any transactions involving the Bradley Family in Botertet and Washington County, VA, and Caroline and Culpepper, VA.I had asked this earlier but my computer was acting up. Please reply privately to me with help. I really really appreciate it. I am trying to find the homes of this family. Rebecca R. Snyder Bradley Desendant and Geneologist Keep our History Alive If only our ancestors would have realized their importance Surnames Bradley, Lillard, Vance, Brubaker, Howery, and Reynolds Counties of Interest Old Rag Mountain Area of Culpeper County,Va, Washington,Va, Madison,VA, Warren,Iowa,Eddysville, Iowa

I was all wrong about Paulina NOFFSINGER likely being Paulina CRAWFORD. The two women were married to different men at the same time! But I did get data given to me and from my own searches. Here it is: 1850 Botetourt County VA Census: Noftzinger Samuel 47 M Farmer 9,492 Virginia Noftzinger Lucy 42 F Virginia Noftzinger Elizabeth 18 F Virginia Noftzinger Jane 16 F Virginia Noftzinger Margaret 14 F Virginia Noftzinger Martin 12 M Virginia Noftzinger Charles 10 M Virginia Noftzinger Penelope 8 F Virginia Noftzinger Isabella 7 F Virginia Noftzinger Samuel 5 M Virginia Noftzinger Emma 3 F Virginia Noftzinger Pauline 1 F Virginia Wilshire James 18 M Laborer Virginia The image of the above actually does not say Pauline, but it says Paulina.- VES. 1860 Botetourt County VA Census: Samuel NOFFSINGER 57 M Tenant ? Lucy 53 F Panelopa 17 F Isabella 15 F Samuel 13 M E 12 F Paulina 11 F Robt CALINDA? 21 M Shoemaker 1870 - Not known at this time. 1880 Buchanan, Botetourt VA Census: Lina E KING Self M Female W 30 VA Keeping House VA VA Lilly M KING Dau S Female W 9 VA VA VA Clara J KING Dau S Female W 7 VA VA VA Lucy B KING Dau S Female W 6 VA VA VA Annie G KING Dau S Female W 2 VA VA VA Willie D KING Son S Male W 4M VA VA VA Buchanan, Botetourt, Virginia 1255356 T9-1356 109B I imagine the actual census image would indicate whether of Not Paulina is widowed in 1880. Here is where Paulina's mother Lucy Fleagar Noffsinger wound up in 1880: James B. ZIMMERMAN Self M Male W 34 VA Farmer VA VA Emma ZIMMERMAN Wife M Female W 32 VA Keeping House VA VA Rufus T. ZIMMERMAN Son S Male W 3 VA VA VA Mable ZIMMERMAN Dau S Female W 2 VA VA VA Lewis ZIMMERMAN Son S Male W 1 VA VA VA Lucy NOFSINGER MotherL W Female W 73 VA Keeping House VA VA Robert BANISTER Other S Male B 7 VA VA VA Fincastle, Botetourt, Virginia 1255356 T9-1356 84C Vince Summers

Hi Vince, Ok...I have the 1850 census..there were 2 families of Crawford in Botetourt in 1850. One was too old and the other was the right age to have a daughter of Paulina's age, seeing as she was born in 1844, but no Pauline. So, this may be that Pauline was not in Botetourt at that time. I can't remember if you have Pauline's mom and dad's names or not. I have seen, in my searches...where there were children born of a family...but for whatever reason, financial mostly...they were living with other relatives in other areas at the time of the census...thus they would not be listed in their parents household because they were not there. Did you go to USGENWEB/VAGENWEB to get some of your info? I have the cemetery rosters and a wealth of info on Botetourt from there...i can try to get the 1860 census.. Didn't you say that she was married before George Washington Ruble? Our luck, Crawford is her first married name. maybe... Also, a side note...look at the age difference in Pauline and George...30 year difference...She married George at 25...perhaps she was a widow, a young one...when she married George. Like I said before, I just have her data in relation to George. I am working on the male lines for now, and the lateral lines and merging surname lines later. I'd really like to work with you on this though, has struck my curiosity!! Several of George's siblings migrated to Craig County. That maybe another location to look at as far as G.W.'s info, and perhaps Pauline's. After all. CRAIG CO, was formed from BOTETOURT in 1851......So, Craig county may be where we can find info on her. Lisa Murphey Ward

Good evening Mr. Summers, I may be of some help to you. I have been researching Paulina Noffsinger for some time now and believe I am a direct descendant of hers. Paulina Noffsinger age 18, married Wm. D. King in Botetourt County on Oct. 23, 1867. I found this information at the Fairfax County Library in Fairfax City, VA. The information is on microfilm # 929.3755, marriage index. Also, in the 1880 census, Lina King is listed with her children Lilly, Clara, Lucy, Annie and Willy, however no husband is present. I am descended through Lilly. If I may be of further help, please advise. Bob Faulkner Annandale, VA. -----Original Message----- From: Vincent E. Summers To: [email protected] Sent: 11/13/2003 3:18 PM Subject: [VABOTETO-L] Last Email Today - NOFFSINGER Lineage Well, here (I promise) is my last email for today. It is a piece of the lineage of Paulina NOFFSINGER, with the appropriate URL: http://members.cox.net/tjnoff/ 3-- Samuel NOFFSINGER-1884 (1803) sp-Lucy FLEAGAR-1898 (1808) 4-- Ellen V NOFTSINGER-3735 (1829) sp-James WILLIAMS-3738 (1828) 4-- Mary Ann NOFTSINGER-3736 (1830) sp-William W FRANCIS-3737 (1825) 4-- Elizabeth NOFTSINGER-3407 (1832) sp-James H FRANCIS-3417 4-- Jane NOFTSINGER-3408 (1834) sp-John W JOPLING-3418 (1828) 5-- Callahill JOPLING-3419 (1856-1861) 5-- Oscar H JOPLING-3420 (1857-1861) 5-- Olivia JOPLING-3421 (1859-1861) 4-- Margaret NOFTSINGER-3409 (1836) 4-- Martin NOFTSINGER-3410 (1838) 4-- Charles NOFTSINGER-3411 (1840) sp-Harriet-3422 5-- Ethel NOFTSINGER-3423 (1860) 4-- Penelope NOFTSINGER-3412 (1842) 4-- Isabella NOFTSINGER-3413 (1843) sp-Francis or Frank BLOUNT-3424 (1839) 4-- Samuel NOFTSINGER-3414 (1845) 4-- Emma NOFTSINGER-3415 (1847) 4-- Pauline NOFTSINGER-3416 (1849) Vince Summers ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== You may search the archived postings to this list at URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?surname=VABOTETO

In a message dated 11/13/03 3:01:07 AM CST, > [email protected] writes: > Message Board Post: I am a direct descrendent of Robert and Elizabeth Looney. My grandmother was Cleo May Looney Hellems. Her grandfather was Joseph Looney. His Father was Alexander C. Looney. If I keep going and can trace back to Robert Looney. He came over from the Isle of Mann, sometime in the 1600. He had a land grant in was is now Botetourt County. My family if from Craig County. There are Renfro's in our family tree. ++++++++++++++++++++ I have some ties to the Looneys in Botetourt County as well. My ancestors were Edward and Jane McClellan Sharp who settled in Botetourt County around 1760 along Looney Creek. Jane's sister Mary married a David Looney, and after Edward's death they and other McClellans and Looneys resettled in what is now Sullivan County, TN, around Bristol in the Holston River area. Several Looneys - Samuel, Moses and others besides David, pop up in various legal records of the Sharps. I have suspected a closer tie than just being neighbors, but have no proof. Edward and Jane Sharp's oldeer son Anthony (from whom I descend) may have had Looney as a middle name. He named one of his sons Robert Looney, and that name persisted for several generations. If I can share any information with you, feel free to e-mail me. love joan

Well, here (I promise) is my last email for today. It is a piece of the lineage of Paulina NOFFSINGER, with the appropriate URL: http://members.cox.net/tjnoff/ 3-- Samuel NOFFSINGER-1884 (1803) sp-Lucy FLEAGAR-1898 (1808) 4-- Ellen V NOFTSINGER-3735 (1829) sp-James WILLIAMS-3738 (1828) 4-- Mary Ann NOFTSINGER-3736 (1830) sp-William W FRANCIS-3737 (1825) 4-- Elizabeth NOFTSINGER-3407 (1832) sp-James H FRANCIS-3417 4-- Jane NOFTSINGER-3408 (1834) sp-John W JOPLING-3418 (1828) 5-- Callahill JOPLING-3419 (1856-1861) 5-- Oscar H JOPLING-3420 (1857-1861) 5-- Olivia JOPLING-3421 (1859-1861) 4-- Margaret NOFTSINGER-3409 (1836) 4-- Martin NOFTSINGER-3410 (1838) 4-- Charles NOFTSINGER-3411 (1840) sp-Harriet-3422 5-- Ethel NOFTSINGER-3423 (1860) 4-- Penelope NOFTSINGER-3412 (1842) 4-- Isabella NOFTSINGER-3413 (1843) sp-Francis or Frank BLOUNT-3424 (1839) 4-- Samuel NOFTSINGER-3414 (1845) 4-- Emma NOFTSINGER-3415 (1847) 4-- Pauline NOFTSINGER-3416 (1849) Vince Summers

1850 Botetourt Co VA Census: Samuel NOFFSINGER 47 M Farmer 9492 Lucy 42 F Elizabeth 18 F Jane 16 F Margaret 14 F Martin 12 M Charles 10 M Penelope 8 F Isabella 7 F Samuel 5 M Emma 3 F Paulina 1 F James Wilshire ? M Laborer 1860 Botetourt Co VA Census: Samuel NOFFSINGER 57 M Tenant ? Lucy 53 F Panelopa 17 F Isabella 15 F Samuel 13 M E 12 F Paulina 11 F Robt CALINDA? 21 M Shoemaker >From the above it appears Samuel NOFFSINGER b 1802-1803 Lucy b 1806-1808 Penelope b 1841-1843 Isabella b 1843-1845 Samuel b 1845-1847 Emma b 1847-1848 Paulina b 1848-1849 Is Paulina NOFFSINGER the one who became Paulina CRAWFORD who became Paulina RUBLE? Well - it is merely speculatively possible. I don't know. What I do know is that her family lived nextdoor at some point before 1880 up and through 1880 to George Washington RUBLE who married a Paulina CRAWFORD, and there appears to be *no* Paulina CRAWFORD at all listed in Botetourt - which is where Paulina is buried - at the Oriskany Cemetery, with the dates of 1844-1924 apparently inscribed on her stone (I have not seen that or a photograph of the stone. I do know that a 4 can look awfully like a 9 sometimes, and vice-versa). Vince Summers P.S. If you are familiar with this Lucy, please tell me more about her and her husband, etc. Thanks to the kind person who looked up both of these census entries...

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Looney, LLewellen, Renfro, Holston Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/537.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Would you have information on Elizabeth Llewellens ancestors and Esther Renfro. Both married into the Looney family. I have Elizabeth as being born about 1696 in Cheading, Kirk Lonan, Isle of Man. She married Robert Looney. Their son, John Looney married Esther Renfro, born about 1739 in Roanoke River, Augusta Virginia. This is as far as I have been able to go on either wives. Thank you for any information that you may have to help me. Vicky

Some stones say this in the Oriskany burial site in Botetourt. Of course they mean Lignite Lodge No 185. Does anyone know the history of this order? Where was it, etc.? Is there a membership list (I doubt it, but have to ask...). Vince

Notice the number of unknowns buried round and about George Washington & Paulina J Crawford RUBLE. Are any of these representative of family members? Would there be records for these ones, other than the transcription shown below? How would one obtain them?- Vince. UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN No MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR RUBLE, Paulina 06 Nov 1844 - 18 Jun 1924 Mother RUBLE, George Lee 01 Mar 1869 - 15 Apr 1910 With Charles A; Lignight Lodge 185 Son of G W & P J RUBLE, Charles A. 04 Apr 1878 - 14 Oct 1909 Son of G W & & P J; Lignight Lodge 185 UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR UNKNOWN Fieldstone MKR