According to maps and other information a cousin sent me, it would appear there may have been a swath of land between the original Borden and Beverley grants. Anyone out there who can fill in the blanks? Joanne --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online

This is probably Gala which was/is just north of Eagle Rock (which is north of Fincastle) on 220. It is no longer a "place name" however and people there get their mail in Eagle Rock. The Buhrman's lived there (still do) and Gala Presbyterian Church is located there. -- Patte Wood [Please reply to [email protected]]

Current map shows a Gala in the northwest section of Botetourt Co. -- where Mill Creek and Sinking Creek cross highway 220 and the James River. An 1880s map calls it Gala Waters. That's the closest thing I can see to your Galli. You might check the geography place finders on the internet -- they often give the old name for a current place. Good Hunting, Lynne Hundley > I am trying to find the precise location "GALLIE on the JAMES RIVER" noted as > the location of the marriage of my gggrandparents. I would appreciate any > help: > > John James HOLLAND was married 25Sep1883 at "Gallie on James River", > Botetourt County VA. by Rev. Abraham Buhrman to Julia Patterson HANNAH, d/o > George > B. and Edna J. HANNAH. John James HOLLAND's occupation was listed as a miner.

I am trying to find the precise location "GALLIE on the JAMES RIVER" noted as the location of the marriage of my gggrandparents. I would appreciate any help: John James HOLLAND was born to Thomas R. and Martha S. HOLLAND in Goochland County VA. abt 1862 (from the marriage certificate of John James and Julia P HANNAH HOLLAND). He was married 25Sep1883 at "Gallie on James River", Botetourt County VA. by Rev. Abraham Buhrman to Julia Patterson HANNAH, d/o George B. and Edna J. HANNAH (again from the certificate of marriage). At he time of his marriage, John James HOLLAND's occupation was listed as a miner on the certificate. His age is listed as 21 and his bride as 14, although this is the subject of some ambiguity. On Julia's birth certificate, her date of birth is recorded as 27Sep1870, Botetourt County. This would imply that on the date of her marriage, she was 12, still 2 days away from her 13th birthday. On the birth certificate of their daughter Emmer Viola HOLLAND b 24Nov1889 Clifton Forge, Allegheny County VA, John James Holland is recorded as a worker in the iron ore mines. His wife Julia is recorded as born at Eagle Rock, Botetourt County VA I own a photograph that has John James and Julia HOLLAND with children Emmer, Hattie and another unidentified child, taken in the studio of S. S. Griffith and Co. - circa 1891 - Clifton Forge VA. The "Legend" of John James HOLLAND, as told by his living 96 year old grand daughter Viola Cameron BALLARD THUMM: "Julia Patton HANNAH was let out as a hired girl at a young age (9) as her mother couldn't (or wouldn't) care for her. As she had completed the third grade, he was taken in as a hired girl by a Dr. and his wife somewhere in VA and her schooling was terminated. She spoke of her memories of the young daughter of her master, who was about the same age, getting a doll for Christmas while the only thing Julia received was "chicken s--t and a switch" in her stocking. Her memories of the Dr.'s wife were less than complimentary. She married John James HOLLAND at a young age, 13 by her account, who was considerably older. They had multiple children but the only one that lived to maturity was Emmer Viola HOLLAND. As a railroad employee, John's work took him across the country, as they lived in Clifton Forge VA, OH, MI, MN before returning to Charleston, Kanawha County WV. At about the time of daughter Emmer's marriage to Thomas Cameron BALLARD 25Sep1907(who was living in Deepwater, Fayette County WV), John abandoned his wife and daughter over the choice of her husband. Thomas BALLARD was a railroad employee with a reputation for drinking too much and probably other unnamed and never repeated vices. John left just prior to the wedding on the premise of visiting his sister Edney in Dayton OH and never returned. It is reported by his grand daughter Viola that since contact with the family was not re-established, Julia Patton HANNAH HOLLAND divorced John James seven years (abt 1914) later on the grounds of desertion. Although his ties to the family were broken, various callers came by from time to time, representing themselves as John's relatives - ie: brother, uncle, etc - to check on the family and say hello. One uncle is reported to have the same name - John James HOLLAND. At some point before the divorce, Julia and her daughter Emma visited the home of John's mother (somewhere in VA), a magnificent plantation style manor, but were treated less than graciously, and never returned. At some undocumented time later, the family received a letter from out west (could have been TX) which was allegedly written by a nurse caring for an ailing John James HOLLAND. It stated that he had been severely wounded in the line of duty (railroad detective) and that if he recovered, his plans included a return trip to WV to visit his abandoned family. This was the last any of the family ever heard or saw of Mr. HOLLAND." This Botetourt families of HOLLAND and HANNAH have been a brick wall for some time; I would appreciate anything anyone could contribute on the marriage location "GALLIE on JAMES RIVER", the HOLLANDS, the HANNAHS - or any suggestions. Tom THUMM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hagan, Davidson, Davison Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1021.1 Message Board Post: I should have said "Hagan," not "Hagans."

My James T. BRIANT m. Rachel ALDERSON in Botetourt Co, VA in 1815. They named a son St. Clair BRIANT. He was b. 1842. Did you have a BRIANT/ST.CLAIR marriage or connection ? I have wondered why James T. named a son St. Clair. Thanks! Cousin Mary in OK WILLIAMS, BRYANT/BRIANT, ALDERSON, WINFREY, DODD, TURPIN, ADAMSON. All VA & TN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Hagans, Davidson Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1021 Message Board Post: Does anyone have any information on this couple and their families/children? They were married in Botetourt on May 11, 1830. Another Thomas Davidson married Dolly Ingart (Engart) in 1827. I believe that these two Thomas Davidsons were probably cousins. The one who married Dolly was apparently dead by 1845 or so (and they had a couple of children together). I have not been able to trace, however, the Thomas Davidson who married Betsy Hagans. Any/all information on this couple would be greatly appreciated.

Would your St. Clairs have a Nancy who married George H. Snodgrass? John -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 9:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VABOTETO-L] East, St.Clair, Brumfield's Of Botetourt CO., Virginia I am researching the East, Brumfield, & St.Clair's of Botetourt Co., Viriginia and would love to hear from anyone also researching these families. Thanks~ Timberly St.Clair Robertson ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== The Second Sunday of each month will be set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please use the surname in the subject line, and tell us as much as possible about the person you are looking for.Good luck with your research.

Dear List Members: Does anyone have information on the Harris men who married into the Markham Family? One was Edward "Ned" Harris who married Mary M. Markham daughter of Nathaniel Markham my GGG-grandfather. The other was John A. Harris who married Mary's sister Penelope Ann Markham. Please send your response to my personal Email address,(See Below). Thank you, Tommy Thomas A. Markham [email protected] My Home Page http://www.tommymarkham.com/

I am researching the East, Brumfield, & St.Clair's of Botetourt Co., Viriginia and would love to hear from anyone also researching these families. Thanks~ Timberly St.Clair Robertson

Thomas doesn't seem to be a subscriber. Please answer to the list and copy Tommy. [email protected] Rena List adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Markham" <[email protected]> To: "Botetourt Mail List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} Harris Men > Dear List Members: > > Does anyone have information on the Harris men who married into the Markham > Family? One was Edward "Ned" Harris who married Mary M. Markham daughter of > Nathaniel Markham my GGG-grandfather. The other was John A. Harris who > married Mary's sister Penelope Ann Markham. > > PS. I need Brenda Marbles New Email Address. > > Please send your response to my personal Email address,(See Below). > > Thank you, > > Tommy > > Thomas A. Markham > [email protected] > My Home Page > http://www.tommymarkham.com/ >

Looking for info on John James Clement of Blue Ridge, Virginia. I havehis birth as Jan.13th,1837 and his death as 1920. Not sure of month or day.I believe he was married to Margeret Ann Fellows. They had a son George Abner Clement. May have lived or been born in Montvale, Virginia. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks :) --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it!

This query was sent to me at the request addy. this may be something that someone on the list can help with. Please reply to Jim or to the list. Rena List Adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Haynes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 1:33 PM Subject: Haynes Family > Hello my name is Conrad Haynes. I am looking for my ancestors that came WV from Botetourt County Va. My Great,Great Great grandfather's name was William Haynes b 1773. I am trying to find where his brothers went. I would like to your court house and search the records I was wondering what the court house hours are and if records would be available. Thanks, CHHAYNES 2 Angela Drive, Scott Depot, WV 25560. [email protected] >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/809.2.2.7 Message Board Post: Many years ago, as we were traveling through Amsterdam, VA, I purchased two old pulpit chairs at the Amsterdam Methodist Church or what I remember to be the Methodist church. As I recall, they were selling the pews, chairs, everything in that little church. The chairs were nothing more than frames and we had them completely redone with the intention of using them in our English Tudor home. Does anyone know anything about this church, the year it was built, if it is still in operation, etc. Thanks for you reply.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/515.2 Message Board Post: A Sarah Rock m Edwin Dennis 1846 Botetourt Co. Sarah was the daughter of Thomas and Sarah Rock. Could this Thomas be a son of John and Elizabeth Snodgrass Rock? Like to exchange info

The Nicely and Circle families lived in the Ritch Patch area of Botetourt (currently Glen Wilton) which borders Alleghany and Botetourt Counties. I have a map showing the land of the Circles next to the Wood family of Botetourt. Members of this Wood family were also in Bath County and are also connected to Reynolds who were in Rockbridge and Amherst. There are Wood/Reynolds relatives that married Armentrouts. Members of the same Nicely family also settled in Rockbridge County. I don't know if this could possibly be the same family, but there was a Michael McElwee family in the area. Donna Pultz has done a lot of research on the Nicely family. -- Patte Wood [Please reply to [email protected]] ----------

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: NICELY/GOHEEN Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/1020.2 Message Board Post: I think it would be worth you while to search Chester County in the 1770's and forward as John Goheen signed the Oath of Allegience to the new government of the "country" on 19th of August, 1777; most of the Quakers and other Wigg supporters were kicked out of Philadelphia (especially if they were prominent persons) and expelled to Virginia. It is likely the trail of John will show his son William and the family in the same tax lists as the Nicely family of Frances in the 1785-1800 taxes and census for PA and Virginia. Haven't found any Frances in my files but will do a quick check in the tax lists

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: NICELY Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/1020.1 Message Board Post: We have Nicely surname in our family where two sisters married two brothers; These were in Rockbridge Co.; the name ARMONTROUT is also associated with Nicely in this area. We have our connection to Michael Nicely's children. Michael was a brother to Jacob Nicely. This lineage is in Botetourt County earlier listings and connected to WOOD and CIRCLE surnames also. Perhaps I can find a reference to a GOHEEN in my files.

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Rena I received your round-about message that my addy was bounding. Last night I added the VABotetort addy to my address book - this is supposed to keep rootsweb mail from bouncing. If it works I will ad the rest of my rootsweb addresses to my address book as I am not getting any of them. Very frustrating. Would you be kind enough to send me an e-mail from the rootsweb address and I will see if that has fixed the problem. Thank you Carroll (Cooper) Summers [email protected]