1850 Census--John Beckner Family This message is going to both Roanoke-L and Botetourt-L because the John Beckner family appears in the 1850 census for both counties! The names for the members of the family are identical except a Catharine Ronk (age 70) appears as a household member for Roanoke County but not for Botetourt County. The ages for most of the members of the family are off by two or three years, the Roanoke ages being generally higher than the Botetourt ages. The neighboring households in the two counties are completely different. According to one published study, the John Beckner family moved from Fincastle in Botetourt to the Salem area of Roanoke in 1747-48, suggesting that the inclusion in the 1850 Roanoke Census was correct. Also, three of John Beckner's older children had married three of the children of Henry Brubaker of Roanoke County during the late 1840s. These married children appeared in the 1850 Census for Roanoke County. Can anyone explain why the Beckners were counted twice? Does anyone know anything about this family, especially about when it moved from Fincastle to Salem, and why a Catharine Ronk (age 70) would appear as a family member in Roanoke but not in Botetourt? Dwayne Wrightsman Lee, NH

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Henry, Wirt, Wort Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/1024.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Rena, Please e-mail me as a letter I sent you last week was returned. Thanks, Carolyn Anderson [email protected]

Hello, I'm new to this mailing list and looking for information on Richard W. Hackney, born about 1809 "near Blue Ridge in Virginia" per 1886 funeral home record. I believe Richard's mother was Elizabeth and he had an older brother named John. Don't know the fathers name. Thank you, Tony Hackney Tomball, TX

One of the members of the Craig-Botetourt Genealogy Club transcribed the 1850 Census and it is on the Botetourt County Va website at Rootsweb. A link can be found at www.geocities.com/genclub01 I hop this will help you. Rena Worthen Founder & President Also List adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [VABOTETO-L] 1850 census extracted? > Hi Rochell, > I have a Margaret Noffsinger in my file.I don't know if she is the one you > are looking for. > > Samuel Noffsinger b 1803 d 1884 > Lucy Fleger b 1808 d 1898 > Margaret b 1834 I don't have anthing else on Margaret.I do have the other > children if you need them. > > Jackie > [email protected] > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > Join the Craig - Botetourt Genealogy Club > www.geocities.com/genclub01 for details or write to us at > [email protected] Rena Worthen Founder and President > The Club would like copies of your Pedigree Chart for > The File at the Fincastle Library. > Please mail to [email protected] > We meet the 3rd Wednesday at 6:15 pm at the Fincastle Library >

Hi Rochell, I have a Margaret Noffsinger in my file.I don't know if she is the one you are looking for. Samuel Noffsinger b 1803 d 1884 Lucy Fleger b 1808 d 1898 Margaret b 1834 I don't have anthing else on Margaret.I do have the other children if you need them. Jackie [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Naugle Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/1045.1 Message Board Post: Could it be Motsinger/Matzsinger?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GBC.2ACI/1045 Message Board Post: Does anyone know offhand if the Botetourt Co 1850 census has been extracted on Ancestry? I'm looking for Margaret Nofsinger (Noftsinger/Noffsigner) (as a child) and she doesn't show up (by exact or soundex search), but I *know* they're there. Any suggestions besides searching all 266 pages? Meanwhile, searching... Thanks, Rochelle

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1044 Message Board Post: Samuel Bartlett "Barkly" McCoy second wife Elizabeth R. Moyers. Children: Margaret C., William E., Sue, Sarah Elizabeth "Sally", Rebecca G., and John McCoy born 1874. Some of them were raised in Roanoke. If you have information on this family, please let me know.

Hi, Rena. Do you or anyone else know who the Botetourt Co, VA minister was after John HELMS' death in 1821? Cousin Mary in OK WILLIAMS, BRYANT/BRIANT, ALDERSON, WINFREY, DODD, TURPIN, ADAMSON. All VA & TN

http://members.aol.com/theperuser/Helm/pafg01.htm This is a very good site on our Helms family. It does have the obit of Rev John Helms. Also the Nashville Christian Advocate has the death of his daughter Malinda Helms Harmon on 13 Sept 1886. I still don't know when or where Jacob Helms' wife Nancy Peery died. I'm pretty sure she died in the early 1830s probably in Prestonburg KY. Sarah Fitzgerald [email protected]

List This is one of Rev Helms marriages, Samuel Crawford married Mary Switzer 2 Nov 1816,, b John Switzer, father; min John Helms 7 Nov, 1816 (this w/b marriage date 1st date is bond date) John Helms This was in Botetourt co Va. Dave Hicks

This may be a clue. Helms, Frances dec 16 Nov 1820 report in "Herald of the Valley" 20 Nov 1820 widow of Col. Meredith Helms. Helms, Leonard b @ 1751 d 23 Dec 1828 Remarks: Rev. War pensioner see 1835 Pension roll, Va section 44 Helms, John Rev. b near Winchester d 15 July 1821 Fincastle Co. Ref. "Herald of the Valley" 23 July 1821 (BCVA) Will book C p 359 , appraisal Source: Botetourt County, VA Deaths by Charles Burton. Rena Worthen [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/floydmontgomeryheritage/index.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Butt, Tom" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 9:51 AM Subject: [VABOTETO-L] RE: Jacob & John Helms > I am looking for the parents of John HELMS b:abt 1797 in VA. He married > Rebecca DRUMMOND March 19, 1818 in Botetourt Co. I don't have proof as > yet, but I think John's parents were the Rev. John HELMS and Elizabeth > ?. In an obituary notice in "Herald of the Valley" newspaper dated July > 23, 1821, it states that "the Rev. John Helms had been an active member > of the Methodist church more than 30 years, and was the second member of > that society in this (Fincastle) county; he has joined more than eight > hundred couples in the holy state of matrimony". Can anyone tell me how > to find information on that Methodist church? They may have information > on the Rev. John HELMS and his family.) July 9, 1997 from [email protected] > (Sheila Hellems Kuziak > > John E. Helms, editor and publisher, and who recently retired as > postmaster of Morristown, was born in Knoxville on the 2d of August, > 1857. His forefathers were of English stock, his ancestors having come > to this country and settled in Frederick county, Virginia. His forebear, > Rev. John Helms, was born in Winchester, Virginia, about 1740. He was a > pioneer Methodist minister and is said to have been the first west of > the Alleghany mountains. He settled in Fincastle, Virginia, and died in > Botetourt county in 1821. The subject of this sketch was the son of John > Edward and Margaret Lones Helms. His father was one of the most > prominent men of his day. A native of Fincastle, Virginia, born in 1827, > he came to Tennessee as a mere boy and located in Claiborne county. > Later he removed to Knoxville, where he learned the printer's trade > under E. G. Eastman, in the Knoxville Standard office. Completing his > apprenticeship, he engaged in the newspaper business, publishing the > Knoxville Plebian and other papers in t hat city before the Civil war. > In 1873 he came to Morristown, purchasing The Morristown Gazette, in the > conduct of which he was active until a short time before his demise. He > was principal clerk of the Tennessee state senate in 1874 and 1876; was > secret ary of the first railroad commission in this state; was a member > of the Tennessee Historical Society and president of the Tennessee Press > Association. Mr. Helms was postmaster of Knoxville one term prior to the > Civil war. He was a veteran of the Mexican war. One of his brothers, > Rev. William S. Helms, served as a chaplain in the Confederate army. Mr. > Helms was prominent in fraternal circles and had the distinction of > being the first man to be initiated into the Independent Order of Odd > Fellows in East Tennessee. In Knoxville was celebrated the marriage of > Mr. and Mrs. Helms. Mrs. Helms was born and reared in Knox county, a > member of one of the pioneer families of this section of the state. To > the union of Mr. and Mrs. Helms eight children were born, four sons and > four daughters, two sons and four daughters living, John E. being the > fourth in order of birth.( Tennessee The Volunteer State Vol 4, > http://208.209.185.4/plweb-cgi/glcsearch.cgi) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sarah S. Fitzgerald [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Jacob & John Helms > > I believe that Jacob Helms from Botetourt county Virginia was the son of > Rev. John Helms. Jacob went to Tazewell co VA and on to Russell County > VA, then to Floyd Co. Ky and in about 1841 went to Texas where he died > in 1858. Jacob married Nancy Peery, date unknown (probably about 1803 or > so) and their daughter Margaret married Hugh S. Bailey 1 October 1833 in > Prestonburg, Floyd Co. KY. > > John Helms was performing marriages in Botetourt Count Virginia in the > early 1800. Need to know if he died there and if there is a will for him > naming his son Jacob Helms. > Thank You > Sarah Fitzgerald > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== VABOTETO Mailing List ==== > The VAGenWeb's Surname Register is located at URL: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaunknow/vasurnam.htm >

I am looking for the parents of John HELMS b:abt 1797 in VA. He married Rebecca DRUMMOND March 19, 1818 in Botetourt Co. I don't have proof as yet, but I think John's parents were the Rev. John HELMS and Elizabeth ?. In an obituary notice in "Herald of the Valley" newspaper dated July 23, 1821, it states that "the Rev. John Helms had been an active member of the Methodist church more than 30 years, and was the second member of that society in this (Fincastle) county; he has joined more than eight hundred couples in the holy state of matrimony". Can anyone tell me how to find information on that Methodist church? They may have information on the Rev. John HELMS and his family.) July 9, 1997 from [email protected] (Sheila Hellems Kuziak John E. Helms, editor and publisher, and who recently retired as postmaster of Morristown, was born in Knoxville on the 2d of August, 1857. His forefathers were of English stock, his ancestors having come to this country and settled in Frederick county, Virginia. His forebear, Rev. John Helms, was born in Winchester, Virginia, about 1740. He was a pioneer Methodist minister and is said to have been the first west of the Alleghany mountains. He settled in Fincastle, Virginia, and died in Botetourt county in 1821. The subject of this sketch was the son of John Edward and Margaret Lones Helms. His father was one of the most prominent men of his day. A native of Fincastle, Virginia, born in 1827, he came to Tennessee as a mere boy and located in Claiborne county. Later he removed to Knoxville, where he learned the printer's trade under E. G. Eastman, in the Knoxville Standard office. Completing his apprenticeship, he engaged in the newspaper business, publishing the Knoxville Plebian and other papers in t hat city before the Civil war. In 1873 he came to Morristown, purchasing The Morristown Gazette, in the conduct of which he was active until a short time before his demise. He was principal clerk of the Tennessee state senate in 1874 and 1876; was secret ary of the first railroad commission in this state; was a member of the Tennessee Historical Society and president of the Tennessee Press Association. Mr. Helms was postmaster of Knoxville one term prior to the Civil war. He was a veteran of the Mexican war. One of his brothers, Rev. William S. Helms, served as a chaplain in the Confederate army. Mr. Helms was prominent in fraternal circles and had the distinction of being the first man to be initiated into the Independent Order of Odd Fellows in East Tennessee. In Knoxville was celebrated the marriage of Mr. and Mrs. Helms. Mrs. Helms was born and reared in Knox county, a member of one of the pioneer families of this section of the state. To the union of Mr. and Mrs. Helms eight children were born, four sons and four daughters, two sons and four daughters living, John E. being the fourth in order of birth.( Tennessee The Volunteer State Vol 4, http://208.209.185.4/plweb-cgi/glcsearch.cgi) -----Original Message----- From: Sarah S. Fitzgerald [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 5:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Jacob & John Helms I believe that Jacob Helms from Botetourt county Virginia was the son of Rev. John Helms. Jacob went to Tazewell co VA and on to Russell County VA, then to Floyd Co. Ky and in about 1841 went to Texas where he died in 1858. Jacob married Nancy Peery, date unknown (probably about 1803 or so) and their daughter Margaret married Hugh S. Bailey 1 October 1833 in Prestonburg, Floyd Co. KY. John Helms was performing marriages in Botetourt Count Virginia in the early 1800. Need to know if he died there and if there is a will for him naming his son Jacob Helms. Thank You Sarah Fitzgerald [email protected] ______________________________

Does anyone know: Did James Gatliff marry a Martha Farris in 1747 in Botetourt?? OR Did James Gatliff marry a Margaret Evans in 1747 Botetourt? Any help is greatly appreciated. Sandy Carneiro

I believe that Jacob Helms from Botetourt county Virginia was the son of Rev. John Helms. Jacob went to Tazewell co VA and on to Russell County VA, then to Floyd Co. Ky and in about 1841 went to Texas where he died in 1858. Jacob married Nancy Peery, date unknown (probably about 1803 or so) and their daughter Margaret married Hugh S. Bailey 1 October 1833 in Prestonburg, Floyd Co. KY. John Helms was performing marriages in Botetourt Count Virginia in the early 1800. Need to know if he died there and if there is a will for him naming his son Jacob Helms. Thank You Sarah Fitzgerald [email protected]

Hi Rena Thanks for a great site visit you are doing a great job. My Question is the Graham Family info on William;Catherine GRAHAM;Jonathan Graham etc. These are my line of Graham's as well Martha Graham Dau of Jacob Graham Sr. and Martha Terry,Martha married Absalom Hancock Dec 15,1806 Patrick Co.,VA. A Dau Oliva Jane Hancock married my GG grandfather Cary Crawford October 24, 1843 Patrick Co,VA. This is the same line of Crawford's that are Connected to the Caldwell's and Hardy Families in Botetourt Co, VA. SO my question would be is this your Graham's or are they Judy Fink,AKA DiamondsDelight??? I have a lot of info on the Graham Family but always looking for more. Thanks Dave Hicks

DiamondsDelight Thank you for the donation of your books to the Fincastle Library. AOL bounced my letter to you. You can find the information you ask for at the website below. Rena Worthen [email protected] http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/3798

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1023.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: The Mason line came on to Rutherford and Williamson counties in Tennessee. Then after the Civil War, some went to Madison and Shelby counties in Tennessee and some went on to Ft. Worth, Texas.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1023.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi, Did the Mason family stay in Greenville Co, VA or any go to KY? Thanks Hillra

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/GBC.2ACI/1023.1.1 Message Board Post: No.....they came from Surry county to Greensville county, va.