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Carolyn There was also an Elizabeth Salmon m. Samuel Henry 18 Dec 1790 Botetourt Co., VA. Elizabeth was the d/o Jacob Salmon. Sorry I don't have any further data on them. Patti ---- CCA44@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone on the list have this couple: William Henry married Elizabeth > Salmon June 8, 1802 in Botetourt Co. VA. > > I believe this may be the first marriage for William Henry who died 1814 > Botetourt Co. and of whom I've been researching for quite some time now. If anyone > has this couple in their research would you please contact me. I would be > happy to share the documentation I have for William Henry. > > Sincerely, > Carolyn Mason Anderson > ggranddaughter of William A. Henry b. 1804 Botetourt Co. VA. > > > > > ************************************** > See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vince: There was a William H. Crawford (a Clergyman) who was born 1822 in TN and died 1891 in California. He had three marriages, one to a Nancy. He had NO children named Paulina or Pauline or anything close to that name. To my knowledge he never lived in Craig county though he did have kin in Botetourt County. He did visit the family in Botetourt County probably in the 1860's or 1870's and may have resided in Craig county for a short time. Joanne ----- Original Message ----- From: <vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com> To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:03 AM Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 133 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Wm H CRAWFORD Presbyterian Minister (Vincent E. Summers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:47:20 -0400 > From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> > Subject: [VABOTETO] Wm H CRAWFORD Presbyterian Minister > To: vacraig@rootsweb.com, vaboteto@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <7fd2a1df0710161347h8939113o30a9747880110c6e@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Folks, > > I am cross-posting to Craig and to Botetourt. I have been > pulling my hair out over this one - I have been trying > endless leads that all have fizzled out. > > Here is the latest that presents hope, however! > > George W. RUBLE m. Paulina J. CRAWFORD in 1869 at > the home of A. PRICE. The marriage was performed by a > clergyman - Presbyterian - Wm H CRAWFORD. > > Now this surely is too coincidental to be coincidental, don't > you think? An Uncle? The Father? A Cousin? > > Wm. H. CRAWFORD is found in the 1870 Craig County > Census with wife Nancy, and 4 kids. Their age and children's > ages would allow for Paulina to be a daughter! Wm was 48 > and Nancy 46 in 1870. Paulina was born 1844. In 1870, she > would have been a mere 26. Plus or minus. > > Can you tell me if you know the whereabouts of this Wm H > CRAWFORD for 1860? He and his family were born in > Tennessee. Were they in Botetourt/Craig, etc., in 1860? > Were they in Tennessee or somewhere else in 1860? > > Also: A. PRICE could well be a good friend of GW RUBLE, > but it is possible he had ties to Paulina, instead. > > Vince the Desperate > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the VABOTETO list administrator, send an email to > VABOTETO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the VABOTETO mailing list, send an email to > VABOTETO@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 133 > ****************************************

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Folks, I am cross-posting to Craig and to Botetourt. I have been pulling my hair out over this one - I have been trying endless leads that all have fizzled out. Here is the latest that presents hope, however! George W. RUBLE m. Paulina J. CRAWFORD in 1869 at the home of A. PRICE. The marriage was performed by a clergyman - Presbyterian - Wm H CRAWFORD. Now this surely is too coincidental to be coincidental, don't you think? An Uncle? The Father? A Cousin? Wm. H. CRAWFORD is found in the 1870 Craig County Census with wife Nancy, and 4 kids. Their age and children's ages would allow for Paulina to be a daughter! Wm was 48 and Nancy 46 in 1870. Paulina was born 1844. In 1870, she would have been a mere 26. Plus or minus. Can you tell me if you know the whereabouts of this Wm H CRAWFORD for 1860? He and his family were born in Tennessee. Were they in Botetourt/Craig, etc., in 1860? Were they in Tennessee or somewhere else in 1860? Also: A. PRICE could well be a good friend of GW RUBLE, but it is possible he had ties to Paulina, instead. Vince the Desperate

Really good! Grief. Not Good Grief, right? Sorry. Grief - I see Griff listed, now that you mention it, but with no basis. Could tie in with the name Griffen? I will try to hone in here. Couldn't do it without the data you have provided. I do wish the date of birth seemed more reasonable. LDS Online lists a really early birth date for Paulina. They call her Polly and make her more than a decade younger. But then that sounds more reasonable than to say she was born in 1844, when George was born circa 1813! Vince On 10/15/07, SA1949@aol.com <SA1949@aol.com> wrote: > Paulina J. Crawford who was the 2nd wife of George Washington Ruble - was a > daughter of Grief Crawford and Nancy Short - Sorry but I don't have Grief > Crawford's parents.YET > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paulina J. Crawford who was the 2nd wife of George Washington Ruble - was a daughter of Grief Crawford and Nancy Short - Sorry but I don't have Grief Crawford's parents.YET ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Vince and List I have a Pauline Crawford Born in 1918 and her line is from John and Andrew Crawford of Botetourt Co in VA. Andrew Crawford is my 4th Great Grandfather He was born in Botetourt County in abt 1757 the son of John Crawford b 1736 and Margaret Peggy Crawford. Thanks Dave Hicks -----Original Message----- From: vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaboteto-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:03 AM To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 130 Today's Topics: 1. CRAWFORD (Vincent E. Summers) 2. Re: CRAWFORD (BrendanKC@aol.com) 3. Re: CRAWFORD (Vincent E. Summers) 4. Maybe I have it? (Vincent E. Summers) 5. Another Update CRAWFORD (Vincent E. Summers) 6. Crawford (Cora Sue Linton) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:00:17 -0400 From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> Subject: [VABOTETO] CRAWFORD To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7fd2a1df0710140600x5a545d7mf516f7b1b4d7452c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Folks, I visited the Oriskany Cemetery (is there a special name for that cemetery) near the Oriskany Post Office yesterday. Paulina J. CRAWFORD, and at least one other, named Fannie M. CRAWFORD are buried there. Paulina was buried under her assumed name, RUBLE. I would like to ask this list some questions, hopefully to receive one or more answers: 1. Was Paulina's *maiden name* CRAWFORD, or was that name from a first marriage? Since the preponderence of that cemetery consisted of TUCKERs, CRUSHs, etc., could one of those have been an actual maiden name, in place of CRAWFORD? 2. Do you know Paulina's parents? 3. Are there other CRAWFORD researchers on board for this list at the moment? If not, does anyone know of any CRAWFORD researchers for Botetourt? 4. Was nearby Fannie M. CRAWFORD a close relation? Thanks! Vince ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:42:44 EDT From: BrendanKC@aol.com Subject: Re: [VABOTETO] CRAWFORD To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c60.1de33799.3443bd24@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" VINCE MY NAME IS KENNETH CRAWFORD. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE CRAWFORDS FROM BOTETOURT FOR SOME TIME. I HIT A ROADBLOCK. MY GG PARENTS WERE THOMAS AND MARY HALEY CRAWFORD MARRIED IN 1846 IN BOTETOURT. I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM. MY G GRAN DMOTHER WAS SARAH THEIR DAUGHTER. HER SON WAS NELSON MY GRANDFATHER.MY FATHER WAS RAY WHICH WAS NELSONS SON. ALL OF MY LINE OF CRAWFORDS ORIGINATED FROM BOTETOURT BACK TO THOMAS AND MARY. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I WILL CHECK TO SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU. THANKS KENNETH CRAWFORD ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:36:26 -0400 From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [VABOTETO] CRAWFORD To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7fd2a1df0710141536j472dd81fu41b083e21a128074@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I do list some CRAWFORDs, but not, perhaps, connected to my Paulina. I begin to suspect she was a CRAWFORD by a first marriage. She is listed with a son, named John Thomas CRAWFORD. Either the child was born illegitimately, or was from a first marriage. The others you mention are not familiar to me. Yet, I think it likely that one of yours was a husband to mine. Vince On 10/14/07, BrendanKC@aol.com <BrendanKC@aol.com> wrote: > VINCE > > MY NAME IS KENNETH CRAWFORD. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE CRAWFORDS FROM > BOTETOURT FOR SOME TIME. I HIT A ROADBLOCK. MY GG PARENTS WERE THOMAS AND MARY > HALEY CRAWFORD MARRIED IN 1846 IN BOTETOURT. I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM. MY > G GRAN DMOTHER WAS SARAH THEIR DAUGHTER. HER SON WAS NELSON MY GRANDFATHER.MY > FATHER WAS RAY WHICH WAS NELSONS SON. ALL OF MY LINE OF CRAWFORDS ORIGINATED > FROM BOTETOURT BACK TO THOMAS AND MARY. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I > WILL CHECK TO SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU. THANKS KENNETH CRAWFORD > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:57:55 -0400 From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> Subject: [VABOTETO] Maybe I have it? To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7fd2a1df0710141557h5c1a9e01hc4aae9818fab0e02@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Folks... I now think that (due to the 1880 census) John Thomas CRAWFORD, son of Paulina J., was, in fact, John THOMAS. If so, that would have made Paulina, Paulina J. THOMAS. Unfortunately, she had become RUBLE in 1869. Since John was born 1865, it may well be Paulina was a THOMAS only during non-census years. Sounds like the Civil War? Anyone know of a THOMAS married to a Paulina, and who died in the Civil War? Thanks, Vince Summers ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:32:30 -0400 From: "Vincent E. Summers" <vsummers@gmail.com> Subject: [VABOTETO] Another Update CRAWFORD To: vaboteto@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <7fd2a1df0710141632g7f6ef578wdd266f6152c9e164@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I am back to square one in a way, but with additional data. Apparently, Paulina J. CRAWFORD, with her first name often misrepresented, had an illegitimate son, John Thomas CRAWFORD. Later, he is referred to as John THOMAS, then John T. RUBLE. He marries - guess what - a CRAWFORD! [Mary] Emma CRAWFORD. He has a number of children, one of whom, at least, is buried at Oriskany, named Cleo Mary RUBLE - dying at the age of 8 and a half. Sad. If anyone connects to these ones, or has any insight on them, please contact me. Vince Summers P.S. Emma CRAWFORD is the daughter of Edward G. CRAWFORD and Emma E. ? ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 00:07:28 -0400 From: "Cora Sue Linton" <5l20country@comcast.net> Subject: [VABOTETO] Crawford To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com>, <SA1949@aol.com> Message-ID: <002c01c80ee0$e6f22070$6501a8c0@SuesLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve, here are the Crawford family I spoke to you about on Saturday at New Castle. Would you know who the parents are for James Matison/Madison Crawford? And would love to know more about the Stebers. I have never been to Montgomery County where James and Catherine were born and perhaps that is where I should start. But in the meantime, any way you can help me, I sure would appreciate it. Seems to be a lot of interest in the Crawford's right now. I am sending this e-mail to you and the Botetourt list. Maybe we can all find some of what we need to knock down our brick wall. It was good seeing you again. I missed seeing Rena. Wish she could have been there also. Take care of that shoulder. Thanks again Cora Sue Cora Sue Linton Waynesboro, VA \o/The Lord Inhabits Praise ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Descendants of James Matison Crawford Generation No. 1 1. JAMES MATISON1 CRAWFORD was born Bet. 1816 - 1820 in Montgomery Co. Va. He married CATHERINE STEBER 13 Nov 1841 in Montgomery Co. Va. She was born 1821 in Montgomery Co. Va. Notes for JAMES MATISON CRAWFORD: Census Year: 1850 State: VA County: Botetourt District: Western 10 140 140 Crawford James M. 30 M . Farmer . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Catharine 30 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Mary E. S. 7 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford John L. 6 M . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford James H. 4 M . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Virginia C. 10/12 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Children of JAMES CRAWFORD and CATHERINE STEBER are: 2. i. MARY ELIZABETH2 CRAWFORD, b. 1843, Giles Co. now Craig Co. Va.; d. 20 Jun 1914, Monroe Co.W.Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. ii. JOHN L. CRAWFORD, b. 1845. iii. JAMES H. CRAWFORD, b. 1847. iv. VIRGINIA C. CRAWFORD, b. 1849. v. ADAM A.(TOBY) CRAWFORD, b. 1850. vi. UNNAMED CRAWFORD, b. 1851. vii. ISAAC P. CRAWFORD, b. 1853. viii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1855; m. VIRGINIA THOMAS, 06 Jan 1900. Notes for GEORGE W. CRAWFORD: GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1855.married 1-6-1900 age 44 marries Virginia Thomas 42 w d/o Jeremiah & Ellen Bell Craig County Va min. L P Bradley Generation No. 2 2. MARY ELIZABETH2 CRAWFORD (JAMES MATISON1) was born 1843 in Giles Co. now Craig Co. Va., and died 20 Jun 1914 in Monroe Co.W.Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. She married BENJAMIN THOMAS ELMORE 02 May 1867 in Giles Co. Va., son of MADISON ELMORE and EMALIA THOMAS. He was born 1842 in Giles Co. now Craig Co, VA, and died 31 Mar 1920 in Monroe Co. W. Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. Notes for MARY ELIZABETH CRAWFORD: Mrs. Elmore, wife of Mr. Benj Elmore died at her home in "The Cove", Sweet Springs district, this county (MonroeCo. WV), on Saturday last, June 20, 1914, at age about 75 years. She is survived by her husband, and three children, the latter being Messrs. Henry, Benton and Miss Tiny Elmore. The family came from Craig Co. Va. many years ago. Mrs. Elmore's remains were interred in the Wylie Cemetery last Sunday afternoon. The Monroe Watchman, Union, WV Notes for BENJAMIN THOMAS ELMORE: Civil War The Virginia Regimental Histories Series by Darrell L. Collins. 46th Virginia Infantry Elmore, Benjamin T.: Pvt. Co. K2. Born 1842; enl. 7-29-61 New Castle, Miller. 1 yr; sick at home 12-61, missed Roanoke; Chimb with rheumatisn 5-25-62; GHD with typhoid 7-2-62, to duty 8-20; 20 d.furlo 12-21-63, Capt. Williams endorses him as "obediant and faithful soldier," WIA both arms, Petersburg 6-17-64; AWOL 2-65. Benjamin Thomas Elmore 24 occ. farmer b. Giles County(now Craig) res. Craig Co. Parents. Madison Elmore & Emalia ( Emily) Thomas Mary Elizabeth Crawford 24 b Giles Co (now Craig) res. Craig Co. Parents: James M Crawford & Catherine Steber License: April 27 1867 married May 2 1867 at the residence of E C Lee by E C Lee. Children of MARY CRAWFORD and BENJAMIN ELMORE are: i. WILBER W.3 CRAWFORD, b. Sep 1865, Craig County, Virginia; m. AMANDA M. BECKNER, Abt. 1891; b. 1874, Craig County, Virginia. Notes for WILBER W. CRAWFORD: Wilber Crawford was the child of Mary Elizabeth Crawford. He was 27 when he married Amanda M. Beckner, age 24, ii. JAMES MADISON ELMORE, b. 06 Aug 1867, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 19 Aug 1884, Died in his teens. iii. HENRY LEE ELMORE, b. 07 Feb 1870, Johns Creek,Craig Co. Va.; d. 1933; m. EDMONIA LEE VANCE. iv. WILLIAM "PECK" ELMORE, b. 01 Jun 1872, Johns Creek; d. 01 Dec 1880. v. SALLY ANN ELMORE, b. 11 Oct 1874, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 28 Jan 1911; m. JAMES JOHNSON KOUNSE, 13 Apr 1905. Notes for SALLY ANN ELMORE: Died at age 37 vi. PERTIMA MAY ELMORE, b. 08 Oct 1877, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 25 Jan 1941. vii. OCIE ELLA ELMORE, b. 31 Mar 1879, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 20 Aug 1954, Pickaway, Monroe Co. W.Va.; m. CHARLES LAWRANCE POMPHREY, 18 Jul 1903; b. Pa.. viii. OSCAR BENTON ELMORE, b. 07 Aug 1882; d. 22 Feb 1957, Monroe Co. WV; m. CORA EDITH BURNS, 03 Oct 1906, Monroe Co. WV; b. 17 Aug 1889, Monroe Co. WV; d. 24 Feb 1952, Monroe Co. WV. More About OSCAR BENTON ELMORE: Burial: 25 Feb 1957, Wiley Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV More About CORA EDITH BURNS: Burial: 27 Feb 1952, Wiley Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV Oscar Benton and Cora Edith Burns Elmore are my grandparents ------------------------------ To contact the VABOTETO list administrator, send an email to VABOTETO-admin@rootsweb.com. 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If I am the "Jim" mentioned below, the only Caldwell's I have are Rosanna Caldwell and her father Robert Caldwell. Rosanna married Samuel McFerran on 22 November 1786. Their children were Hetty, Thomas, Mary, Martin, and Rachel. I have more information on Rosanna, Samuel, and the children. Robert Caldwell married Mary(I don't have a surname for her.). I would appreciate more information on Rosanna, Robert, and Robert's parents. James B. "Jim" McFerran jmcferran@cableone.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com> To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 2:03 AM Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 127 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 126 (Candace Conradt) > 2. Re: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 126 (Candace Conradt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 20:00:33 -0800 > From: "Candace Conradt" <candace.conradt@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [VABOTETO] VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 126 > To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001d01c80bbb$48092d50$0300a8c0@TWEETY> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:03 PM > Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 126 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:33:11 -0000 >> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [VABOTETO] Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney >> To: <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <1191958392.994999@rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: Wilene >> Surnames: CALDWELL LOONEY >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/155.165.311/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Jim, if you're still out there, do you know anything about Alexander >> Caldwell and Margaret Looney? Margaret's sister Priscilla md. William >> Caldwell, the family you thoroughly enumerated in your July 16, 2000, >> posting. >> >> Following is what I know about Alexander and Margaret which I sent to the >> Craig Co., VA, e-mail list two days ago: >> >> I've spent all afternoon searching your Archives for the Caldwell and >> Looney names that were prevalent in the Craig's Creek area of what is now >> Craig Co., VA. I was so impressed by the knowledge I saw that I joined >> the list awhile ago so I could ask a number of questions. >> >> There is much information in your Archives regarding William Caldwell and >> Priscilla Looney, md. in 1789. William appears to be a son of John >> Caldwell and Susannah. I've found her maiden name variously as unknown, >> as Preston, and as Edmiston. >> >> However, Priscilla's sister Margaret md. Alexander Caldwell, July 25, >> 1778, Botetourt Co., VA, and I didn't find any mention of them at all in >> your Archives, maybe because they spent their entire married lives in >> Knox >> Co., TN. Their marriage record also has the date of Jan. 5, 1778, which >> might be the date of the Bond. From somewhere I got the tidbit that >> Alexander went to Knox Co., TN, before 1778 but returned to VA to marry. >> This could explain the expanse of time between Jan. 5 and July 25 in the >> marriage record. >> >> Alexander and Margaret had 11 children, not necessarily in this order -- >> 1) Benjamin md. who? >> 2) Alexander md. who? >> 3) Margaret md. John Williams, May 26, 1808, Knox Co., TN >> 4) Robert md. Sarah Rhodes, March 1, 1810, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Greene Co., MO, by 1839 where he d. in 1866 >> 5) Absalom md. Hannah Hinds, Jan. 11, 1808, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Jefferson Co., AL, around 1825 where he d. in 1863 >> 6) John md. who? (possibly Polly Ann Riggle, May 19, 1818, Knox Co., TN) >> 7) Nancy md. Jesse Galloway, July 31, 1816, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Morgan Co., IN, where she d. about 1836, then Jesse re-married >> 8) Jane "Jessie" md. cousin Benjamin Looney, March 18, 1821, Knox Co., >> TN, >> and lived in Hawkins Co., TN >> 9) Elizabeth md. George Smith, where? >> 10) James md. who? (possibly Mary McCampbell, March 13, 1819, Knox Co., >> TN); he had 6 children, and was dead by 1832 >> 11) Polly (probably Mary "Polly") md. William Copeland, where? >> >> Now to back track a bit. Alexander and Margaret's son Robert (my >> husband's ancestor) named their first son Absalom L. Caldwell, but he was >> generally known as Loon Caldwell. When his name finally led us to >> Absalom >> Looney, we went downtown to the library and poured through the Kegley, >> Summers, Chalkley, and other books looking for Caldwell families in the >> vicinity of where Absalom Looney lived. Well, you know what we found -- >> too many Caldwell families to come up with anything definitive. >> >> However, there was one name that struck us -- William Caldwell, and >> here's >> why. >> >> William acquired 197 acres on Craig's Creek (a branch of the James >> River), >> February 13, 1770, and operated a mill there by 1770-1771. Absalom >> Looney >> and other Looney families were also in the Craig's Creek area by 1770. >> William Caldwell and wife Mary sold 297 acres on Craig's Creek, Botetourt >> Co., to John Taylor, May 12, 1778. The Botetourt County Court, June 10, >> 1779, "set [a William Caldwell] levy free [tax free] on account of his >> age >> and other infirmities." William probably died soon after this date. >> Other sons may or may not include Robert, Walter, John, Joseph, and Hugh; >> all are identified with Craig's Creek, 1774-1799. >> [Note: there was another William Caldwell family on Cub Creek in >> Lunenberg Co. in south-central VA that is sometimes confused with the >> William Caldwell family on Craig's Creek in west-central VA.] >> >> The connection to the William Caldwell above is based primarily on the >> 1770 date because a William Caldwell, the son and heir of Hugh Caldwell >> who died in Cameron Parish, Loudoun Co., VA, sold his father's land on >> Dec. 7, 1769, and 2-1/2 months later, a William Caldwell bought land on >> Craig's Creek. It's not known if the two Williams were the same man. >> Nine years later, a William Caldwell was set tax free in 1779 by the >> Botetourt Co. Court, but again, it's not known if this was the same >> William who bought the land on Craig's Creek in 1770. >> Another clue that suggests Hugh Caldwell of Loudoun Co, VA, may have been >> the grandfather of Alexander Caldwell is seen in the names of the first >> three sons of Alexander's son Absalom -- Alexander (after Absalom's >> father), Benjamin (after Absalom's brother), and Hugh (possibly honoring >> Absalom's great-grandfather?). >> >> I searched through Lewis Preston Summers, Annals of Southwest Virginia, >> 1769-1800, again this evening and found Alexander Caldwell mentioned >> three >> times -- >> >> listed under Revolutionary Soldiers, Alexander Caldwell and Michael >> Looney >> (Margaret's brother?) are listed as Privates in Captain Henry Pauling's >> Company of Volunteers of the Botetourt County Regiment. --Summers, >> p.1413 >> >> The Library of VA, electronic card index, Dunmore's War (1774) >> http://image.vtls.com/collections/ also shows >> Alexander Caldwell in Captain Henry Pauling's Company, Botetourt Co., VA, >> militia at the Battle of Point Pleasant, October 10, 1774 (index p.xxiii; >> Dunmore's War Record, p.168). >> >> If Alexander was born ca. 1757 as I believe, then he would have been just >> old enough to be brought into the local militia in 1774. >> >> and Summers, p.255, mentions Alexander Caldwell twice during the term of >> the Botetourt County Court, May 14, 1776: >> The Grand Jury retd. and presented: Alexander Caldwell for profanely >> swearing by his Maker two oaths. >> Then on down the page: Alexander Caldwell is apptd. Constable in the >> room >> of John Potts, Junr., who is dischd. from that office. >> >> So, bottom line, my question is: Who were Alexander's parents? And was >> he related to the William Caldwell who married Priscilla Looney? My >> sincere thanks if you managed to read this far. >> >> My file online for Alexander and Margaret (Looney) Caldwell is at >> http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=caldwellwilene&id=I0060 >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:33:11 -0000 >> From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [VABOTETO] Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney >> To: <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <1191958392.994999@rootsweb.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: Wilene >> Surnames: CALDWELL LOONEY >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/155.165.311/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Jim, if you're still out there, do you know anything about Alexander >> Caldwell and Margaret Looney? Margaret's sister Priscilla md. William >> Caldwell, the family you thoroughly enumerated in your July 16, 2000, >> posting. >> >> Following is what I know about Alexander and Margaret which I sent to the >> Craig Co., VA, e-mail list two days ago: >> >> I've spent all afternoon searching your Archives for the Caldwell and >> Looney names that were prevalent in the Craig's Creek area of what is now >> Craig Co., VA. I was so impressed by the knowledge I saw that I joined >> the list awhile ago so I could ask a number of questions. >> >> There is much information in your Archives regarding William Caldwell and >> Priscilla Looney, md. in 1789. William appears to be a son of John >> Caldwell and Susannah. I've found her maiden name variously as unknown, >> as Preston, and as Edmiston. >> >> However, Priscilla's sister Margaret md. Alexander Caldwell, July 25, >> 1778, Botetourt Co., VA, and I didn't find any mention of them at all in >> your Archives, maybe because they spent their entire married lives in >> Knox >> Co., TN. Their marriage record also has the date of Jan. 5, 1778, which >> might be the date of the Bond. From somewhere I got the tidbit that >> Alexander went to Knox Co., TN, before 1778 but returned to VA to marry. >> This could explain the expanse of time between Jan. 5 and July 25 in the >> marriage record. >> >> Alexander and Margaret had 11 children, not necessarily in this order -- >> 1) Benjamin md. who? >> 2) Alexander md. who? >> 3) Margaret md. John Williams, May 26, 1808, Knox Co., TN >> 4) Robert md. Sarah Rhodes, March 1, 1810, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Greene Co., MO, by 1839 where he d. in 1866 >> 5) Absalom md. Hannah Hinds, Jan. 11, 1808, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Jefferson Co., AL, around 1825 where he d. in 1863 >> 6) John md. who? (possibly Polly Ann Riggle, May 19, 1818, Knox Co., TN) >> 7) Nancy md. Jesse Galloway, July 31, 1816, Knox Co., TN, and moved to >> Morgan Co., IN, where she d. about 1836, then Jesse re-married >> 8) Jane "Jessie" md. cousin Benjamin Looney, March 18, 1821, Knox Co., >> TN, >> and lived in Hawkins Co., TN >> 9) Elizabeth md. George Smith, where? >> 10) James md. who? (possibly Mary McCampbell, March 13, 1819, Knox Co., >> TN); he had 6 children, and was dead by 1832 >> 11) Polly (probably Mary "Polly") md. William Copeland, where? >> >> Now to back track a bit. Alexander and Margaret's son Robert (my >> husband's ancestor) named their first son Absalom L. Caldwell, but he was >> generally known as Loon Caldwell. When his name finally led us to >> Absalom >> Looney, we went downtown to the library and poured through the Kegley, >> Summers, Chalkley, and other books looking for Caldwell families in the >> vicinity of where Absalom Looney lived. Well, you know what we found -- >> too many Caldwell families to come up with anything definitive. >> >> However, there was one name that struck us -- William Caldwell, and >> here's >> why. >> >> William acquired 197 acres on Craig's Creek (a branch of the James >> River), >> February 13, 1770, and operated a mill there by 1770-1771. Absalom >> Looney >> and other Looney families were also in the Craig's Creek area by 1770. >> William Caldwell and wife Mary sold 297 acres on Craig's Creek, Botetourt >> Co., to John Taylor, May 12, 1778. The Botetourt County Court, June 10, >> 1779, "set [a William Caldwell] levy free [tax free] on account of his >> age >> and other infirmities." William probably died soon after this date. >> Other sons may or may not include Robert, Walter, John, Joseph, and Hugh; >> all are identified with Craig's Creek, 1774-1799. >> [Note: there was another William Caldwell family on Cub Creek in >> Lunenberg Co. in south-central VA that is sometimes confused with the >> William Caldwell family on Craig's Creek in west-central VA.] >> >> The connection to the William Caldwell above is based primarily on the >> 1770 date because a William Caldwell, the son and heir of Hugh Caldwell >> who died in Cameron Parish, Loudoun Co., VA, sold his father's land on >> Dec. 7, 1769, and 2-1/2 months later, a William Caldwell bought land on >> Craig's Creek. It's not known if the two Williams were the same man. >> Nine years later, a William Caldwell was set tax free in 1779 by the >> Botetourt Co. Court, but again, it's not known if this was the same >> William who bought the land on Craig's Creek in 1770. >> Another clue that suggests Hugh Caldwell of Loudoun Co, VA, may have been >> the grandfather of Alexander Caldwell is seen in the names of the first >> three sons of Alexander's son Absalom -- Alexander (after Absalom's >> father), Benjamin (after Absalom's brother), and Hugh (possibly honoring >> Absalom's great-grandfather?). >> >> I searched through Lewis Preston Summers, Annals of Southwest Virginia, >> 1769-1800, again this evening and found Alexander Caldwell mentioned >> three >> times -- >> >> listed under Revolutionary Soldiers, Alexander Caldwell and Michael >> Looney >> (Margaret's brother?) are listed as Privates in Captain Henry Pauling's >> Company of Volunteers of the Botetourt County Regiment. --Summers, >> p.1413 >> >> The Library of VA, electronic card index, Dunmore's War (1774) >> http://image.vtls.com/collections/ also shows >> Alexander Caldwell in Captain Henry Pauling's Company, Botetourt Co., VA, >> militia at the Battle of Point Pleasant, October 10, 1774 (index p.xxiii; >> Dunmore's War Record, p.168). >> >> If Alexander was born ca. 1757 as I believe, then he would have been just >> old enough to be brought into the local militia in 1774. >> >> and Summers, p.255, mentions Alexander Caldwell twice during the term of >> the Botetourt County Court, May 14, 1776: >> The Grand Jury retd. and presented: Alexander Caldwell for profanely >> swearing by his Maker two oaths. >> Then on down the page: Alexander Caldwell is apptd. Constable in the >> room >> of John Potts, Junr., who is dischd. from that office. >> >> So, bottom line, my question is: Who were Alexander's parents? And was >> he related to the William Caldwell who married Priscilla Looney? My >> sincere thanks if you managed to read this far. >> >> My file online for Alexander and Margaret (Looney) Caldwell is at >> http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=caldwellwilene&id=I0060 >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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CORA SUE MY NAME IS KENNETH CRAWFORD AND MY CRAWFORDS COME FROM BOTETOURT. MY GG GRANDPARENTS WERE THOMAS AND MARY HALEY CRAWFORD. THEY HAD A DAUGHTER NAMED SARAH MY G GRANDMOTHER. MY GRANDFATHER WAS NELSON CRAWFORD BORN IN 1883. MY FATHER WAS RAY CRAWFORD BORN IN 1910. ALL THIS WAS IN BOTETOURT. I CANNOT FIND OUT WHERE THOMAS AND MARY CRAWFORD CAME FROM. THE CENSUS RECORDS SAY BOTETOURT BUT DONT THINK . THEY WERE MARRIED IN 1846 IN BOTETOURT. COULD YOU HELP. KENNETH CRAWFOPRD. ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Steve, here are the Crawford family I spoke to you about on Saturday at New Castle. Would you know who the parents are for James Matison/Madison Crawford? And would love to know more about the Stebers. I have never been to Montgomery County where James and Catherine were born and perhaps that is where I should start. But in the meantime, any way you can help me, I sure would appreciate it. Seems to be a lot of interest in the Crawford's right now. I am sending this e-mail to you and the Botetourt list. Maybe we can all find some of what we need to knock down our brick wall. It was good seeing you again. I missed seeing Rena. Wish she could have been there also. Take care of that shoulder. Thanks again Cora Sue Cora Sue Linton Waynesboro, VA \o/The Lord Inhabits Praise ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Descendants of James Matison Crawford Generation No. 1 1. JAMES MATISON1 CRAWFORD was born Bet. 1816 - 1820 in Montgomery Co. Va. He married CATHERINE STEBER 13 Nov 1841 in Montgomery Co. Va. She was born 1821 in Montgomery Co. Va. Notes for JAMES MATISON CRAWFORD: Census Year: 1850 State: VA County: Botetourt District: Western 10 140 140 Crawford James M. 30 M . Farmer . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Catharine 30 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Mary E. S. 7 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford John L. 6 M . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford James H. 4 M . . . Virginia . . . . . Crawford Virginia C. 10/12 F . . . Virginia . . . . . Children of JAMES CRAWFORD and CATHERINE STEBER are: 2. i. MARY ELIZABETH2 CRAWFORD, b. 1843, Giles Co. now Craig Co. Va.; d. 20 Jun 1914, Monroe Co.W.Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. ii. JOHN L. CRAWFORD, b. 1845. iii. JAMES H. CRAWFORD, b. 1847. iv. VIRGINIA C. CRAWFORD, b. 1849. v. ADAM A.(TOBY) CRAWFORD, b. 1850. vi. UNNAMED CRAWFORD, b. 1851. vii. ISAAC P. CRAWFORD, b. 1853. viii. GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1855; m. VIRGINIA THOMAS, 06 Jan 1900. Notes for GEORGE W. CRAWFORD: GEORGE W. CRAWFORD, b. 1855.married 1-6-1900 age 44 marries Virginia Thomas 42 w d/o Jeremiah & Ellen Bell Craig County Va min. L P Bradley Generation No. 2 2. MARY ELIZABETH2 CRAWFORD (JAMES MATISON1) was born 1843 in Giles Co. now Craig Co. Va., and died 20 Jun 1914 in Monroe Co.W.Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. She married BENJAMIN THOMAS ELMORE 02 May 1867 in Giles Co. Va., son of MADISON ELMORE and EMALIA THOMAS. He was born 1842 in Giles Co. now Craig Co, VA, and died 31 Mar 1920 in Monroe Co. W. Va. Buried in Wylie Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV. Notes for MARY ELIZABETH CRAWFORD: Mrs. Elmore, wife of Mr. Benj Elmore died at her home in "The Cove", Sweet Springs district, this county (MonroeCo. WV), on Saturday last, June 20, 1914, at age about 75 years. She is survived by her husband, and three children, the latter being Messrs. Henry, Benton and Miss Tiny Elmore. The family came from Craig Co. Va. many years ago. Mrs. Elmore's remains were interred in the Wylie Cemetery last Sunday afternoon. The Monroe Watchman, Union, WV Notes for BENJAMIN THOMAS ELMORE: Civil War The Virginia Regimental Histories Series by Darrell L. Collins. 46th Virginia Infantry Elmore, Benjamin T.: Pvt. Co. K2. Born 1842; enl. 7-29-61 New Castle, Miller. 1 yr; sick at home 12-61, missed Roanoke; Chimb with rheumatisn 5-25-62; GHD with typhoid 7-2-62, to duty 8-20; 20 d.furlo 12-21-63, Capt. Williams endorses him as "obediant and faithful soldier," WIA both arms, Petersburg 6-17-64; AWOL 2-65. Benjamin Thomas Elmore 24 occ. farmer b. Giles County(now Craig) res. Craig Co. Parents. Madison Elmore & Emalia ( Emily) Thomas Mary Elizabeth Crawford 24 b Giles Co (now Craig) res. Craig Co. Parents: James M Crawford & Catherine Steber License: April 27 1867 married May 2 1867 at the residence of E C Lee by E C Lee. Children of MARY CRAWFORD and BENJAMIN ELMORE are: i. WILBER W.3 CRAWFORD, b. Sep 1865, Craig County, Virginia; m. AMANDA M. BECKNER, Abt. 1891; b. 1874, Craig County, Virginia. Notes for WILBER W. CRAWFORD: Wilber Crawford was the child of Mary Elizabeth Crawford. He was 27 when he married Amanda M. Beckner, age 24, ii. JAMES MADISON ELMORE, b. 06 Aug 1867, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 19 Aug 1884, Died in his teens. iii. HENRY LEE ELMORE, b. 07 Feb 1870, Johns Creek,Craig Co. Va.; d. 1933; m. EDMONIA LEE VANCE. iv. WILLIAM "PECK" ELMORE, b. 01 Jun 1872, Johns Creek; d. 01 Dec 1880. v. SALLY ANN ELMORE, b. 11 Oct 1874, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 28 Jan 1911; m. JAMES JOHNSON KOUNSE, 13 Apr 1905. Notes for SALLY ANN ELMORE: Died at age 37 vi. PERTIMA MAY ELMORE, b. 08 Oct 1877, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 25 Jan 1941. vii. OCIE ELLA ELMORE, b. 31 Mar 1879, Johns Creek, Craig Co. Va.; d. 20 Aug 1954, Pickaway, Monroe Co. W.Va.; m. CHARLES LAWRANCE POMPHREY, 18 Jul 1903; b. Pa.. viii. OSCAR BENTON ELMORE, b. 07 Aug 1882; d. 22 Feb 1957, Monroe Co. WV; m. CORA EDITH BURNS, 03 Oct 1906, Monroe Co. WV; b. 17 Aug 1889, Monroe Co. WV; d. 24 Feb 1952, Monroe Co. WV. More About OSCAR BENTON ELMORE: Burial: 25 Feb 1957, Wiley Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV More About CORA EDITH BURNS: Burial: 27 Feb 1952, Wiley Cemetery, Cove Valley, WV Oscar Benton and Cora Edith Burns Elmore are my grandparents

Well, I am back to square one in a way, but with additional data. Apparently, Paulina J. CRAWFORD, with her first name often misrepresented, had an illegitimate son, John Thomas CRAWFORD. Later, he is referred to as John THOMAS, then John T. RUBLE. He marries - guess what - a CRAWFORD! [Mary] Emma CRAWFORD. He has a number of children, one of whom, at least, is buried at Oriskany, named Cleo Mary RUBLE - dying at the age of 8 and a half. Sad. If anyone connects to these ones, or has any insight on them, please contact me. Vince Summers P.S. Emma CRAWFORD is the daughter of Edward G. CRAWFORD and Emma E. ?

Folks... I now think that (due to the 1880 census) John Thomas CRAWFORD, son of Paulina J., was, in fact, John THOMAS. If so, that would have made Paulina, Paulina J. THOMAS. Unfortunately, she had become RUBLE in 1869. Since John was born 1865, it may well be Paulina was a THOMAS only during non-census years. Sounds like the Civil War? Anyone know of a THOMAS married to a Paulina, and who died in the Civil War? Thanks, Vince Summers

I do list some CRAWFORDs, but not, perhaps, connected to my Paulina. I begin to suspect she was a CRAWFORD by a first marriage. She is listed with a son, named John Thomas CRAWFORD. Either the child was born illegitimately, or was from a first marriage. The others you mention are not familiar to me. Yet, I think it likely that one of yours was a husband to mine. Vince On 10/14/07, BrendanKC@aol.com <BrendanKC@aol.com> wrote: > VINCE > > MY NAME IS KENNETH CRAWFORD. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE CRAWFORDS FROM > BOTETOURT FOR SOME TIME. I HIT A ROADBLOCK. MY GG PARENTS WERE THOMAS AND MARY > HALEY CRAWFORD MARRIED IN 1846 IN BOTETOURT. I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM. MY > G GRAN DMOTHER WAS SARAH THEIR DAUGHTER. HER SON WAS NELSON MY GRANDFATHER.MY > FATHER WAS RAY WHICH WAS NELSONS SON. ALL OF MY LINE OF CRAWFORDS ORIGINATED > FROM BOTETOURT BACK TO THOMAS AND MARY. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I > WILL CHECK TO SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU. THANKS KENNETH CRAWFORD > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The Second Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. > To contact Listowner: > Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABOTETO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

VINCE MY NAME IS KENNETH CRAWFORD. I HAVE BEEN RESEARCHING THE CRAWFORDS FROM BOTETOURT FOR SOME TIME. I HIT A ROADBLOCK. MY GG PARENTS WERE THOMAS AND MARY HALEY CRAWFORD MARRIED IN 1846 IN BOTETOURT. I DONT KNOW WHERE THEY ARE FROM. MY G GRAN DMOTHER WAS SARAH THEIR DAUGHTER. HER SON WAS NELSON MY GRANDFATHER.MY FATHER WAS RAY WHICH WAS NELSONS SON. ALL OF MY LINE OF CRAWFORDS ORIGINATED FROM BOTETOURT BACK TO THOMAS AND MARY. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. I WILL CHECK TO SEE IF I CAN HELP YOU. THANKS KENNETH CRAWFORD ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

Folks, I visited the Oriskany Cemetery (is there a special name for that cemetery) near the Oriskany Post Office yesterday. Paulina J. CRAWFORD, and at least one other, named Fannie M. CRAWFORD are buried there. Paulina was buried under her assumed name, RUBLE. I would like to ask this list some questions, hopefully to receive one or more answers: 1. Was Paulina's *maiden name* CRAWFORD, or was that name from a first marriage? Since the preponderence of that cemetery consisted of TUCKERs, CRUSHs, etc., could one of those have been an actual maiden name, in place of CRAWFORD? 2. Do you know Paulina's parents? 3. Are there other CRAWFORD researchers on board for this list at the moment? If not, does anyone know of any CRAWFORD researchers for Botetourt? 4. Was nearby Fannie M. CRAWFORD a close relation? Thanks! Vince

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----- Original Message ----- From: <vaboteto-request@rootsweb.com> To: <vaboteto@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:03 PM Subject: VABOTETO Digest, Vol 2, Issue 126 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:33:11 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [VABOTETO] Alexander Caldwell and Margaret Looney > To: <VABOTETO-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <1191958392.994999@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: Wilene > Surnames: CALDWELL LOONEY > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.virginia.counties.botetourt/155.165.311/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Jim, if you're still out there, do you know anything about Alexander > Caldwell and Margaret Looney? Margaret's sister Priscilla md. William > Caldwell, the family you thoroughly enumerated in your July 16, 2000, > posting. > > Following is what I know about Alexander and Margaret which I sent to the > Craig Co., VA, e-mail list two days ago: > > I've spent all afternoon searching your Archives for the Caldwell and > Looney names that were prevalent in the Craig's Creek area of what is now > Craig Co., VA. I was so impressed by the knowledge I saw that I joined > the list awhile ago so I could ask a number of questions. > > There is much information in your Archives regarding William Caldwell and > Priscilla Looney, md. in 1789. William appears to be a son of John > Caldwell and Susannah. I've found her maiden name variously as unknown, > as Preston, and as Edmiston. > > However, Priscilla's sister Margaret md. Alexander Caldwell, July 25, > 1778, Botetourt Co., VA, and I didn't find any mention of them at all in > your Archives, maybe because they spent their entire married lives in Knox > Co., TN. Their marriage record also has the date of Jan. 5, 1778, which > might be the date of the Bond. From somewhere I got the tidbit that > Alexander went to Knox Co., TN, before 1778 but returned to VA to marry. > This could explain the expanse of time between Jan. 5 and July 25 in the > marriage record. > > Alexander and Margaret had 11 children, not necessarily in this order -- > 1) Benjamin md. who? > 2) Alexander md. who? > 3) Margaret md. John Williams, May 26, 1808, Knox Co., TN > 4) Robert md. Sarah Rhodes, March 1, 1810, Knox Co., TN, and moved to > Greene Co., MO, by 1839 where he d. in 1866 > 5) Absalom md. Hannah Hinds, Jan. 11, 1808, Knox Co., TN, and moved to > Jefferson Co., AL, around 1825 where he d. in 1863 > 6) John md. who? (possibly Polly Ann Riggle, May 19, 1818, Knox Co., TN) > 7) Nancy md. Jesse Galloway, July 31, 1816, Knox Co., TN, and moved to > Morgan Co., IN, where she d. about 1836, then Jesse re-married > 8) Jane "Jessie" md. cousin Benjamin Looney, March 18, 1821, Knox Co., TN, > and lived in Hawkins Co., TN > 9) Elizabeth md. George Smith, where? > 10) James md. who? (possibly Mary McCampbell, March 13, 1819, Knox Co., > TN); he had 6 children, and was dead by 1832 > 11) Polly (probably Mary "Polly") md. William Copeland, where? > > Now to back track a bit. Alexander and Margaret's son Robert (my > husband's ancestor) named their first son Absalom L. Caldwell, but he was > generally known as Loon Caldwell. When his name finally led us to Absalom > Looney, we went downtown to the library and poured through the Kegley, > Summers, Chalkley, and other books looking for Caldwell families in the > vicinity of where Absalom Looney lived. Well, you know what we found -- > too many Caldwell families to come up with anything definitive. > > However, there was one name that struck us -- William Caldwell, and here's > why. > > William acquired 197 acres on Craig's Creek (a branch of the James River), > February 13, 1770, and operated a mill there by 1770-1771. Absalom Looney > and other Looney families were also in the Craig's Creek area by 1770. > William Caldwell and wife Mary sold 297 acres on Craig's Creek, Botetourt > Co., to John Taylor, May 12, 1778. The Botetourt County Court, June 10, > 1779, "set [a William Caldwell] levy free [tax free] on account of his age > and other infirmities." William probably died soon after this date. > Other sons may or may not include Robert, Walter, John, Joseph, and Hugh; > all are identified with Craig's Creek, 1774-1799. > [Note: there was another William Caldwell family on Cub Creek in > Lunenberg Co. in south-central VA that is sometimes confused with the > William Caldwell family on Craig's Creek in west-central VA.] > > The connection to the William Caldwell above is based primarily on the > 1770 date because a William Caldwell, the son and heir of Hugh Caldwell > who died in Cameron Parish, Loudoun Co., VA, sold his father's land on > Dec. 7, 1769, and 2-1/2 months later, a William Caldwell bought land on > Craig's Creek. It's not known if the two Williams were the same man. > Nine years later, a William Caldwell was set tax free in 1779 by the > Botetourt Co. Court, but again, it's not known if this was the same > William who bought the land on Craig's Creek in 1770. > Another clue that suggests Hugh Caldwell of Loudoun Co, VA, may have been > the grandfather of Alexander Caldwell is seen in the names of the first > three sons of Alexander's son Absalom -- Alexander (after Absalom's > father), Benjamin (after Absalom's brother), and Hugh (possibly honoring > Absalom's great-grandfather?). > > I searched through Lewis Preston Summers, Annals of Southwest Virginia, > 1769-1800, again this evening and found Alexander Caldwell mentioned three > times -- > > listed under Revolutionary Soldiers, Alexander Caldwell and Michael Looney > (Margaret's brother?) are listed as Privates in Captain Henry Pauling's > Company of Volunteers of the Botetourt County Regiment. --Summers, p.1413 > > The Library of VA, electronic card index, Dunmore's War (1774) > http://image.vtls.com/collections/ also shows > Alexander Caldwell in Captain Henry Pauling's Company, Botetourt Co., VA, > militia at the Battle of Point Pleasant, October 10, 1774 (index p.xxiii; > Dunmore's War Record, p.168). > > If Alexander was born ca. 1757 as I believe, then he would have been just > old enough to be brought into the local militia in 1774. > > and Summers, p.255, mentions Alexander Caldwell twice during the term of > the Botetourt County Court, May 14, 1776: > The Grand Jury retd. and presented: Alexander Caldwell for profanely > swearing by his Maker two oaths. > Then on down the page: Alexander Caldwell is apptd. Constable in the room > of John Potts, Junr., who is dischd. from that office. > > So, bottom line, my question is: Who were Alexander's parents? And was > he related to the William Caldwell who married Priscilla Looney? My > sincere thanks if you managed to read this far. > > My file online for Alexander and Margaret (Looney) Caldwell is at > http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=caldwellwilene&id=I0060 > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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