And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. Edwin slavery hate rhetoric - your imagine statement is pc proproganda. how about some proof instead of a pc rant. Wonder what happened to the white supporters of dunmore who likely were poor scrub farmers and not as valuable as the slaves. josephine -----Original Message----- >From: "Edwin \"Tex\" Irvin" <edwirvin@yahoo.com> >Sent: Jan 23, 2008 4:06 PM >To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com >Subject: [VABEDFOR] Dunsmore's War > >I hope it was not me that was misunderstood. Perhaps I should have clarified it better. Of course, Dunsmore's war was against the Indians. He personally led half of an 1100 man force of militia, almost all southwest Virginians, against Shawnee Chief Cornstalk. Andrew Lewis commanded the other half. Some old historians, probably in error, believed Dunsmore was in secret alliance with the Shawnees to butcher the Virginians in an ambush, because the rebellion was brewing. Dunsmore did not personally get too close to the fighting. 75 Virginians were killed and 150 wounded. Immediately after the battle, Dunsmore treated with the Indians and let Cornstalk off the hook. Hence the conspiracy theories. A few years later, during the Rev. War, Cornstalk was captured and put in jail. The kin of many he had butchered broke into the jail and killed the old Indian who had slaughtered so many settlers. Before some of the militia had gotten home, the "shot heard round the world" > was fired at Concord, and the rest is history. Dunsmore later evacuated Williamsburg and set up in Norfolk. He scrounged up an army of 600 British regulars, many tidewater tories, and forced slaves to fight with a promise of freedom. Bedford county and others raised the 1st Va. Militia regiment, commanded by Col. Patrick Henry and Capt. William Campbell, (Campbell county was named after him) late in 1775, and marched to Norfolk to deal with Dunsmore's shenanigans. Dunsmore was finally forced off the continent, and spent a few weeks on a ship in the harbor, before finally leaving for good, I think, in the summer of 1776. And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. Edwin >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com >To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Josephine Lindsay Bass Confederate Southern American 216 Beach Park Lane Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 321-206-6475 My Southern Family, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ Becky Bass Bonner Home of the *HARRISON* Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/

It appears to me that there is a misunderstanding about Dunnmores War. Some writers of messages have indicated that Dunnmores' War was a war against Dunnmore.. Dunnmore was forced to leave Virginia, as I understand it, but the Battle of Point Pleasant was not against Dunnmore. It was against the Northern Indians who were harrassing the surveyors in Kentucky in 1774 and attacking settlers on the Clinch, Powell and Holston Rivers in Southwest Va and Tenn. Dunnmore called for all the militia units in South west Va. to meet him and the Army units he had gathered at Point Pleasant to fight the Indians.. Dunnmore made a treaty with the Indians after the battle and was later forced to leave Va. and Dunnmore County, Va. was renamed "Shenandoah Co." GLH

In a message dated 1/23/2008 1:03:51 PM Central Standard Time, Frdfn7@aol.com writes: Four sons of David Williams and Elizabeth Ayres born 1790-1800. John, James, Shrewsbury, Mastin. Shrewsbury is found abt. 1830 in Missouri. Does anyone have information on the other three? ***** I have a Thomas WILLIAMS in Bedford Co. in 1764 when his daughter was born. I do not know if he was born in Bedford Co. or not, but another daughter married in Bedford Co. in 1800. I would love to find more about my Thomas. Velma Finley **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Four sons of David Williams and Elizabeth Ayres born 1790-1800. John, James, Shrewsbury, Mastin. Shrewsbury is found abt. 1830 in Missouri. Does anyone have information on the other three? **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

I hope it was not me that was misunderstood. Perhaps I should have clarified it better. Of course, Dunsmore's war was against the Indians. He personally led half of an 1100 man force of militia, almost all southwest Virginians, against Shawnee Chief Cornstalk. Andrew Lewis commanded the other half. Some old historians, probably in error, believed Dunsmore was in secret alliance with the Shawnees to butcher the Virginians in an ambush, because the rebellion was brewing. Dunsmore did not personally get too close to the fighting. 75 Virginians were killed and 150 wounded. Immediately after the battle, Dunsmore treated with the Indians and let Cornstalk off the hook. Hence the conspiracy theories. A few years later, during the Rev. War, Cornstalk was captured and put in jail. The kin of many he had butchered broke into the jail and killed the old Indian who had slaughtered so many settlers. Before some of the militia had gotten home, the "shot heard round the world" was fired at Concord, and the rest is history. Dunsmore later evacuated Williamsburg and set up in Norfolk. He scrounged up an army of 600 British regulars, many tidewater tories, and forced slaves to fight with a promise of freedom. Bedford county and others raised the 1st Va. Militia regiment, commanded by Col. Patrick Henry and Capt. William Campbell, (Campbell county was named after him) late in 1775, and marched to Norfolk to deal with Dunsmore's shenanigans. Dunsmore was finally forced off the continent, and spent a few weeks on a ship in the harbor, before finally leaving for good, I think, in the summer of 1776. And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. Edwin

Does anyone know exactly where this church was located and if there are other records? Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin "Tex" Irvin" <edwirvin@yahoo.com> To: <vabedfor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:09 AM Subject: [VABEDFOR] Peaks of the Otter Presbyterians

I suspect that other members of the Bedford/Halifax Militias fought in this battle. Some may have been with one of the other detachments from Botentourt/ Fincastle. Capt. Buford was killed. These lists are only partial. I have read that 75 Virginians were killed. But none of the casualty lists I have seen have totalled up to that number. Maybe there is a more complete list somewhere, but I have been unable to find it. This was the main battle of Dunsmore's little War. The Continental Congress was already meeting. Conspiracy theorists claim Dunsmore was trying to kill off the Virginia militia to dampen the looming rebellion. Edwin Soldiers at the Battle of Point Pleasant Captain Thomas Buford's Company of Bedford County, VA Volunteers Thomas Buford, Captain Thomas Dooley, Lieutenant Jonathan Cundiff, Ensign Nicholas Mead, Sergeant John Fields, Sergeant Thomas Fliping, Sergeant William Kenedy, Sergeant James Ard William Bozel James Boyd Robert Boyd William Bryant Joseph Bunch John Campbell William Campbell John Carter John Cook William Cook Nathaniel Cooper James Dale Samuel Davis William Deal Bagriel DeHart Jacob Dooley Robert Ewing Augustine Hackworth William Hackworth Thomas Hall Robert Hill William Hambrick Thomas Hamrick William Keer William Keer Gerrott Kelley Zachariah Kennot Adam Lin James McBride Aabsalom McClanahan John McClanahan William McColister John McGlahlen William Overstreet Thomas Owen John Reed John Roberts James Scarbara Francis Seed Abraham Sharp Uriah Squires Thomas Stephens Mr Waugh John Welch Joseph White John Wood --------------------------------- Partial List of the Officers killed and wounded at the Battle of Point Pleasant Field Officers Killed Colonel Charles Lewis, Colonel Jno. Field, Colonel William Fleming Field Officers Wounded Colonel William Christian Captains Killed John Murray, Robert McClenahan, Saml. Wilson, Charles Ward, Thomas Buford, John Field, John Murray Captains Wounded Matthew Arbuckle, William Christian, John Dickson, James Harrod, _______Herbert, Joseph Haynes, Benjamin Harrisonh, John Lewis 2nd, **Andrew Lockridge, _____Love, William McKee, Samuel McDowell, Alexander McClanahan, George Matthews, William Paul, _____Paulin, James Robertson, William Russell, John Stewart, John Skidmore, Evan Shelby, William Shelby, _________Slaughter, I. Skidmore, Daniel Smith, James Ward, Samuel Wilson Subalterns Killed Lieutenant Hugh Allen, Ensign Cundiff, Ensign Matt Brakin Subalterns Wounded Lieutenant Lard, Lieutenant Goldman, Lieutenant Vance, Lieutenant James Robison, Lieutenant John Draper, Lieutenant John Henderson, Lieutenant Isaac Shelby, Lieutenant Tate Privates Killed ________Clay, _________Hickman Privates Wounded William Arbuckle, Jno. Arbuckle, William Blair, ____ Coward, William Campbell, Jno Campbell,Simon Gerty, Ellis Hughes, Philip Hammond, Saml Lewis, Thomas Lewis, Simon Kenton, _____Robinson, Alex Reed, Jno Steele, Richard Trotter, James Trimble, John Van Bibber, Peter Van Bibber, Charles Clendenin, Robert Clendedin, Leonard Cooper, William Eastham, Saml McCullock, William Moore, Walter Newman, John Pryor, James Welch, Bazatell Wells Commissary General Thomas Posey-wounded Butcher Jacob Warrick-wounded Sutler John Frog-killed

"The Attack on Vause's Fort" June 25, 1756 Upper Roanoke Valley, VA "According to Preston's Register, those killed, wounded or taken prisoners at Vause's Fort were: Capt. John Smith, prisoner, returned; Peter Looney, prisoner, escaped; William Bratton, prisoner, returned; Joseph Smith, prisoner; William Pepper, prisoner; Mrs. Vause, her two daughters, a negro, two young Indians and a man-servant, prisoners; James Bell, prisoner; Christopher Hicks, prisoner; Benjamin Davis, prisoner; Lieut. John Smith, killed; John Tracy, killed; John English, killed; Mrs. Mary English, prisoner; William Robinson, wounded; Thomas Robinson, wounded; John Robinson, killed; John Walker, prisoner; --- Cole, prisoner; --- Graham, prisoner; "Thomas Callaway came from Hickey's Fort and found the mangled bodies lying in heaps. All of Vause's family, he thought, killed, except a daughter Levice, and two sons who had gone to mill that day. He followed the Indians over the mountains and down the Leevice Fork of Kentucky, crossing the Ohio River at Leevice Ford near Cincinnati...." pg. 232 Source: VIRGINIA FRONTIER, by F.B. Kegley, ©1938

This Page Was Last Updated February 17, 2004 "The Mayberry Project" PETITION May 17, 1774 Bedford County, Virginia To the Honourable Mr. Speaker and Gentlemen of the House of Burgesses: The Petition of a Number of Presbyterians, Members of a Presbyterian Church or Congregation in the County of Bedford, known by the Name of the Peaks of Otter, humbly sheweth, That your Petitioners have in time past and are still willing to contribute their Quota in Support of the Church of England as by Law established in this Colony of Virginia: which they do with the more Cheerfulness, as they have hitherto enjoyed their Rights and Privileges and the free Exercise of their Religion as Presbyterian Dissenters unmolested: nor have they any Fears or Doubts of being disturbed therein by this Honourable House, while your Petitioners duly obey the Laws of this Country, continue good Subjects to their most gracious Sovereign, and are useful Members of the Community. And as they look upon obedience to the Laws and protection from the Legislation to be reciprocal, they therefore pray the Protection of this Honourable House in future, in the free exercise of their Religion, which they humbly concieve is well calculated to make A unwise ..... ..... is, so ......d is .....nce to their .....ful Sovereign, and to live in ..... subjection to the Laws. While they thus implore your Protection and favorable Notice, they beg Leave to inform this Honourable House that they find it very inconvenient to support Clergy of their Denomination by the usual Method of Subscription; therefore, a Number of well disposed patrons? in said Presbyterian Church or Congregation have made Contributions to purchase therewith Lands and Slaves for the Support of a Stated Minister of the said Congregation: but not believing their Elders or Church Session a Body sufficiently corporated by any express Law of this Colony, in which to vest the Freehold of the Land and Slaves in Trust for the Purpose of raising a Salery, and the same being in Obeyance would be liable to various Trespasses without Redress, for Remedy whereof your Petitioners further pray That this Honourable House would pass a Law impowering the Elders of said Congregation to dispose of the Benefactions that now are or hereafter may be given for the Support of a Minister of the Presbyterian Profession in the Purchase of Land and Slaves, or to place the same or any Part Thereof To Interest as shall seem most for the Benefit of the Congregation, and vest in the said Elders and their Successors the Freehold of the said Land and Slaves to ----------- of the said Minister, as long as he continues in the Doctrine and subject to the Discipline of the Presbyterian Church as held and exercised by their sessions Presbyteries and ---------------: with Power to withhold the Profits of the said Lands and Slaves and the Interest of the Money whenever the Minister shall deviate from the Doctrine or Discipline according to a Judgement of the said Judicatures: and if the Profits of the said Lands Slaves and Money should at any time exceed the salery agreed upon with the said Minister, the Elders are to dispose of the Overplus, as also the Profits arising from the Lands Slaves and Money between the Death or Removal of a Minister and the Admission of his Successor, according to the Rules of the Presbyterian Church, as shall be directed by a Majority of the Congregation: that the Elders shall have power to sell any Lands or Slaves that may be thought less useful and with the Money arising from such Sale to purchase other Lands or Slaves of more Value to the same uses: that the said Elders and their Successors shall be regular Members of the Presbyterian Church according to the Doctrine and Discipline thereof and that they shall be annually accountable to the Minister for his Salery, or --------- thereof as shall arise from the Profits of the Lands and Slaves and the Interest of the Money: that the said Elders keep a fair Book of all their transactions in the said Trust, and render a just account thereof to such actions? as shall be chosen by a majority of the Congregation when thereunto demanded; and on refusal or ------- to be liable to the Law? of the said Persons so chosen with the Consent of the said Majority. This our Petition being solely intended for promoting Religion and Virtue amongst the Presbyterians in this Part of the Colony is humbly left to the Various Considerations of this Honourable House to -------------------------------------- and Amendments -------- in ------- a --------- wisdom----------------- expedient. And your Petitioners as in Duly bound shall ever pray Robt. Ewing Charles Ewing Robert Ewing Jr. Fradrick Maybery Henery Maybery Wm. Boyd ----- Ewing Andrew Ewing Charles? McClallen? Michael Boxer? Alexnder Armstrong Willm. Armstrong John Armstrong ----- Read George Dickson John Kennedy James Kennedy William Kennedy Thomas Kennedy William Cenedey John Slayner/Waynes? Kege Stone Adam Linn Joseph Linn Adam Linn James ----- Transcriber's Notes: This document was folded and much of the text in the fold lines has been worn away. Although this was apparently one page at one time, it is now two pages. The bottom of the first half of the document has for the most part also been worn away and it appears that it may have been wet at some time as the edge is quite dark and has a bleeding effect to it. I left the spelling as it was, as best as I could interpret it. On the outside of the folded document is noted "18 Bedford Petition of the members of the presbyterian church, pray that the elders thereof may be enabled to take and hold lands and slaves, to the use of the ------- under proper regulations. 17 May 1774, referred to the committee for religion. 21 of May 1774 reported reasonable." As you can see, Frederick Mayberry was the fourth petitioner on the list and Henry Mayberry was the fifth. This file was found at the Library of Virginia, Virginia History and Culture, Early Virginia Religious Petitions, 1774-1802. This image of this petition is available through their Digital Library Program. Transcribed by Teresa Lee-Coker on April 28, 2002. 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ERWIN (see also IRVINE) a.. Jul. 21, 1794; William Inglidue & Magdalen Erwin; James Byrens, Surety; Married by Alderson Weeks, July 24, 1794. b.. Aug. 27, 1795; Joshua Thomas & Betsy Ewin, (or Erwin); Jonas Erwin, Surety; Married by James Turner, Sept. 1, 1795. c.. Oct. 26, 1795; Nathaniel Reeves & Miriam Erwin; Joseph Erwin, Surety. d.. Mar. 22, 1796; Obadiah Dooley & Ann Erwin; Jonas Erwin, Surety; Married by James Turner, March 24, 1796. e.. Dec. 24, 1798; Jarret Patterson & Jane Erwin; Jonas Erwin, Surety; Married by James Turner, Dec. 27, 1798. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin "Tex" Irvin" <edwirvin@yahoo.com> To: <vabedfor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:36 AM Subject: [VABEDFOR] Bedford Titheables > Are there extant any Lists of Titheables for Bedford county? Many of the > Lunenburg tithe lists survive, due mainly to Mr. Bell's famous book, > "Sunlight on the Southside." These lists have been posted all over the > internet. I'm told there are no tithe lists extant for Lunenburg for the > years 1746-47, or 1753-54. (I would love to see those) The Bell book has > the tithes for the years 1748 thru 1752. Then 1764, 1769, 1772 thru 1776, > and 1783. (after the Rev??) Obviously, after the formation of Bedford, > Lunenburg lists would no longer be relevant to anyone residing within the > new boundaries of Bedford. (or would they?) So, the question > arises--where are the tithe lists for Bedford county for the years 1754-55 > up to say 1775 or so? Has anyone ever seen reference to these? Wouldn't > these have been kept at New London? Edwin D. Irvin > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com > To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

IRVIN, IRVINE (see also ERWIN) a.. Nov. 4, ----; Robert Irvin & Mary South; John South, Surety (during the reign of George the Third). b.. Jun. 9, 1769; Robert Cowan & Elizabeth Irvine; Isham Talbot, Surety. c.. Oct. 11, 1770; James McElory, Prince Edward Co. & Margaret Irvin, dt John; Robert Irvin, Surety. d.. Dec. 2, 1774; John Menzies & Mary Irvine; James Steptoe, Surety; Consent of Robt. Cowan. e.. Mar. 4, 1776; James Adams & Mary Irvine, dt David; James McMurray, Surety. f.. Feb. 8, 1777; Robert Bradfute & Sarah Irvine, dt William; Arthur Moseley, Surety. g.. Mar. 16, 1778; Valentine Sturman & Margaret Irvine; Samuel Claytor, Surety. h.. Sep. 18, 1778; Haile Talbot & Elizabeth Irvine, dt David; James Adams, Surety. i.. Jan. 4, 1781; Arthur Robertson & Betsey Irvine; Robert Bradfute, Surety. j.. Dec. 1, 1784; William Moseley & Nancy Irvine; Robert Cowan, Surety. k.. Feb. 7, 1794; Robart Goggens & Sally Irvine; Married by James Mitchell. l.. Jun. 23, 1802; Josiah Rogers & Anna Irvine; Joseph Erwin, Surety; Married by James Turner, June 24, 1802. m.. Oct. 24, 1803; Robert Irvine & Polly Davis; Joseph Hardy, Surety; Married by James Turner, Oct. 24, 1803. n.. May 27, 1805; Samuel Deardoff & Elizabeth Irvine, dt Rosana; Alexr. Irvin, Surety; Married by James Turner, May 30, 1805. o.. Sep. 23, 1811; Adam Dixon & Hannah Irvin; Jonas Irvin, Surety; Married by James Turner, Sept. 24, 1811. p.. Nov. 28, 1811; George Gwathny & Anne Maria Irvine; Married by James Mitchell. q.. Jun. 6, 1816; John Watts Scott & Elizabeth Cowan Irvine, dt William; Wm. Irvine, Jr., Surety. r.. Nov. 14, 1822; James Webb & Betsy Irvine, dt Mariam; Thomas Stephens, Surety. s.. Jun. 11, 1823; Paul C. Cabell & Mary B. Irvine, dt William; Edmund Irvine, Surety; Married by Wm. S. Reid, June 12, 1823. t.. Dec. 16, 1824; John R. Irvine & Lucy Hobson, dt Elizabeth; William Hobson, Surety; Married by Wm. S. Reid. u.. Mar. 19, 1827; Alexander Irvine & Locky Brown, dt Henry; Gustavus A. Wingfield, Surety; Married by James Mitchell, March 20, 1827. v.. Jan. 23, 1837; Benjamin Irvine & Jane Hurt; Alex. P. Price, Surety.

Are there extant any Lists of Titheables for Bedford county? Many of the Lunenburg tithe lists survive, due mainly to Mr. Bell's famous book, "Sunlight on the Southside." These lists have been posted all over the internet. I'm told there are no tithe lists extant for Lunenburg for the years 1746-47, or 1753-54. (I would love to see those) The Bell book has the tithes for the years 1748 thru 1752. Then 1764, 1769, 1772 thru 1776, and 1783. (after the Rev??) Obviously, after the formation of Bedford, Lunenburg lists would no longer be relevant to anyone residing within the new boundaries of Bedford. (or would they?) So, the question arises--where are the tithe lists for Bedford county for the years 1754-55 up to say 1775 or so? Has anyone ever seen reference to these? Wouldn't these have been kept at New London? Edwin D. Irvin

Velma, My Creswell family came over from County Antrim, Ireland in 1852 and settled in Cecil Co., MD. Alan ------------------------- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:21:29 EST From: Vrgfdonna@aol.com Subject: Re: [VABEDFOR] VA Book To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bd3.16351109.34c24829@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Alan, Thanks for this interesting announcement. Have I asked about your CRESWELLS? I have CRESWELLS in Al. and can't find them farther back than 1818 Al. Thanks, Velma Finley Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 12:00 AM

Hi, Alan: I am new to this mailing list. You are to be commended. You have undertaken an epic work, transcribing all of this. One question. When I find my listing in the index, how do I jump directly to the appropriate page number? So far, it seems difficult to navigate through the pages. First, I have to find the right section. Then, I have to advance one click at a time. Is there an easier way? Or do I have to read the entire manuscript, one page at a time? I should live so long. Maybe someday, a table of contents, with clickable links? Or clickable page numbers in the index? I know I'm getting greedy here, and I apologize. Thanks again. You have accomplished much. Edwin Dean Irvin

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Edwin, Thanks for sharing those two sites with us. Everybody else may have known about them, but I didn't. Thanks, Velma **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489

Hello All, I've added another 10 pages to the book "Collections of the Virginia Historical Society Vol. VII: Virginia Company of London 1619-1624". It's online now at http://www.midatlanticarchives.com Alan RESEARCHING: Buckingham, Gilpin, Eastburn, Jeanes, Nowland, Wade, Creswell, Abernathy and related families Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.1 - Release Date: 1/11/2008 12:00 AM

Thanks, Tony and William. I have not seen some of what you sent. There are a couple of new websites now, that have many goodies. This is probably old news, but first there is directline. http://www.directlinesoftware.com/ This lists many of the early grants and patents. It is a paid service, but you can see much of it for free. Click on the deed data pool, then click on the index for the appropriate county. You will see the brief descriptive of the land boundaries. And you may be surprised at what county the patent is listed under. The county boundaries back then were constantly changing. I have not subscribed but you can actually plot the location of the patent. (If you buy their software, of course.) I am a computer klutz, so I don't know how to download the full patents, yet. If anyone has bought this software, let me know if it is worth buying, and user friendly. I barely know how to copy and paste. The second website, I'm sure you have all heard about, is footnote.com It is $57 a year or you can pay for a month, or buy individual documents. Some of the content is free. There is a lot of great stuff here, mainly about military service, regimental rosters, pension applications, bounty lands, etc.--A lot of great info about the Rev. War. But footnote is a work in progress. It is growing by leaps and bounds, but is not there yet. The competition is good for us. Maybe Ancestry will try harder. Edwin

You said: "And then, to complicate it even more, there was a whole passel of Irvins just across the Blue Ridge. They married into the Logans and Doaks. I think most of them went to Kentucky or Indiana." There were some Ervins on the early personal property tax lists of Russell County, VA, and some of the other settlers there were from Halifax Co., VA: Wilsons and Lawsons, Boyds, among others. Starting with 1787, James Ervin in the Upper District of Russell. http://www.rootsweb.com/~varussel/census/index.html Michelle (Wilson) Ligon