HI All Sorry to be coming in here late. Roger Williams, who sued his son's estate was (I think) Roger b. 1749 d. 1835 m Cassie Blair, 1775 Amherst Co VA. Thomas, his son, was one of 10 children, as far as I can tell. That Thomas Williams b. 1777 m Elizabeth Woodson, daughter of Anderson Williams, on 13 Dec 1805 Campbell Co Va. He died before 1733 and left at least sons, William, Thomas, John, Samuel and Woodson Williams. This is not my direct line. Roger's grandfather is most likely the brother of my line. I think the immigrant was Roger b. in Wales, d. in VA, but not proven. That Roger seems to have had 3 sons, perhaps more and most likely daughters, but the records are lost. There seems to be an alliance between Thomas Williams b. 1712 d. aft Jul 1794 and bef 1806 in Goochland Co VA. He married Susanna Anderson. They had a number of children. Mine, Samuel m. Susanna Ligon 1766, daughter of William Ligon.. Their son Anderson Williams was born about 1767 in Cumberland Co VA d. aft 1860 bef 1870 in Botetourt Co VA. Anderson married Mildred Shepard 18 Dec 1786 in Cumberland Co VA. At some point, they apparently moved to NC for a period of time, but I can find no records of them there. But I come from his son, Samuel, who claimed in some censuses to have been born in NC. IF he was born in NC, they were back in VA by the time he married. Samuel married and then his son, Charles Anderson Williams. These migrated from Goochland, perhaps as far south as NC as Samuel claimed he was born in NC but I find no records of them there. They show up again by the time Samuel is marrying. He married Lucy S. Lewis 25 Dec. 1821 in Campbell Co VA. The lived, for the most part, in Botetourt, although I've found them in both Bedford and Campbell and often with the other line's family, so apparently either I have it incorrect, or they stayed in touch, however. There is also more than one Mastin Williams and I have not tied them together. One appears in Charlotte Co then moves to Campbell, though in reality,the move may have been more like the line shifting again, slightly. I have one Mastin Williams,son of Thomas Williams and ? Frances? Nugent?, b.1767=68 in Charlotte Co VA d. 1850 in Allen Co KY. That Mastin married Amy/Aime Collins, d/o Richard Collins and Mary Madison. I come from that couple's daughter, Catherine Collins who married William P. Hamlett, 16 Jun 1785 in Charlotte Co VA. While I have David married to Elizabeth Ayers, did he also marry a Susannah? Does anyone have this David Williams parents? Just food for thought. Mastin only fell into my family by way of marrying Aime Collins. But I have a line of Williams were Roger, Thomas, Samuel, Anderson, Samuel Charles Anderson Williams b. 1823 VA d. 1880 Botetourt Co VA m. Minerva Jane Craddock 10 Jan 1854 Montgomery Co VA, Willie Craddock Williams b. 1864 Botetourt d. 12 Dec 1917 Lynchburg VA. She married Daniel D. Moon 1886 in Pittsylvania Co VA, in the northern part, adj to Campbell Co. They were my GGgrandparents. I also have at least 3 other lines of undetermined William's, which drive me nuts! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <dixiefleur@aol.com> To: <vabedfor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [VABEDFOR] Williams/Ayres > Velma: > > There is a Thomas Williams who is dead by 1823. His father, Roger > Williams, is suing his estate to recover some money that was owed to > him. The court case states that Thomas left a widow and four small > children with one born a few months after his death. His widow is given > as the sister of John E. Woodson. I don't know if this your Thomas but > thought I would let you know. > > Karen Glover > Bedford Circuit Court > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pamela Booth <p.j.booth@att.net> > To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 5:25 am > Subject: Re: [VABEDFOR] Williams/Ayres > > Vrgfdonna@aol.com wrote: >> In a message dated 1/23/2008 1:03:51 PM Central Standard Time, >> Frdfn7@aol.com writes: >> >> Four sons of David Williams and Elizabeth Ayres born 1790-1800. > John, >> James, >> Shrewsbury, Mastin. >> Shrewsbury is found abt. 1830 in Missouri. Does anyone have > information on >> the other three? >> ***** >> >> I have a Thomas WILLIAMS in Bedford Co. in 1764 when his daughter was > born. >> I do not know if he was born in Bedford Co. or not, but another > daughter >> married in Bedford Co. in 1800. I would love to find more about my > Thomas. >> >> Velma Finley >> >> >> >> My husband is a descendant of Shrewsbury and I have been accumulating > some info. I currently have none on Velma's Thomas, but I have some on > David and Elizabeth's children. There were at least 5 boys > and 1 daughter. William was older and not indentured out by the courts > like the others. >> > John, in 1811 was surety bond for sister Sarah's marriage to Theodorick > A. Ramsey on 19 Mar 1811. > Mastin was b. abt 1815 in Virginia and married Martha from Ohio and had > a daughter, Julia Elma b.abt 1849 in Ohio. He may not be the right > Mastin. > I have more on William, but it is not in my database yet. 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In a message dated 1/24/2008 12:51:45 PM Central Standard Time, edwirvin@yahoo.com writes: Velma: Who did Thomas marry and what part of Bedford did he live in? I have seen a Thomas Williams that lived near Flat Creek? There was a prosperous Williams family very early in Prince George county. (1730's) I believe Prince George originally covered some of old Brunswick. I don't know of any relation to your Thomas. And I know little of Virginia after the end of the 18th century. My ancestor jumped to Wilkes county, Georgia about 1793. Edwin ****** Thanks for your reply. This is all I have, and some of it isn't proven. I'm sorry I don't know what part of Bedford they lived in. Thomas WILLIAMS, born ca 1745 married Mary _____ and they lived in Bedford Co. Va. when Amey was born in 1764. Amey married my ancestor, Jesse STITH in 1786 in Bedford Co. Amey had a sister, Cathy (Caty?), who married William HARDEN. Velma **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)
Velma: There is a Thomas Williams who is dead by 1823. His father, Roger Williams, is suing his estate to recover some money that was owed to him. The court case states that Thomas left a widow and four small children with one born a few months after his death. His widow is given as the sister of John E. Woodson. I don't know if this your Thomas but thought I would let you know. Karen Glover Bedford Circuit Court -----Original Message----- From: Pamela Booth <p.j.booth@att.net> To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 5:25 am Subject: Re: [VABEDFOR] Williams/Ayres Vrgfdonna@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/2008 1:03:51 PM Central Standard Time, > Frdfn7@aol.com writes: > > Four sons of David Williams and Elizabeth Ayres born 1790-1800. John, > James, > Shrewsbury, Mastin. > Shrewsbury is found abt. 1830 in Missouri. Does anyone have information on > the other three? > ***** > > I have a Thomas WILLIAMS in Bedford Co. in 1764 when his daughter was born. > I do not know if he was born in Bedford Co. or not, but another daughter > married in Bedford Co. in 1800. I would love to find more about my Thomas. > > Velma Finley > > > > My husband is a descendant of Shrewsbury and I have been accumulating some info. I currently have none on Velma's Thomas, but I have some on David and Elizabeth's children. There were at least 5 boys and 1 daughter. William was older and not indentured out by the courts like the others. > John, in 1811 was surety bond for sister Sarah's marriage to Theodorick A. Ramsey on 19 Mar 1811. Mastin was b. abt 1815 in Virginia and married Martha from Ohio and had a daughter, Julia Elma b.abt 1849 in Ohio. He may not be the right Mastin. I have more on William, but it is not in my database yet. I have been ill for a month and am behind. Pamela ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
Yes, thank you, Edwin. I appreciate your thoughts as well as the facts and the time/effort it takes to post them! Cheers, Michelle -----Original Message----- From: vabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Vrgfdonna@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:31 PM To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com Subject: [VABEDFOR] Thank you, Edwin Thank you for sharing so much with us.
Michelle Ligon wrote: > Yes, thank you, Edwin. I appreciate your thoughts as well as the facts and > the time/effort it takes to post them! > > Cheers, > > Michelle > > -----Original Message----- > From: vabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Vrgfdonna@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:31 PM > To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VABEDFOR] Thank you, Edwin > > Thank you for sharing so much with us. > > > My Thanks are added, Edwin. My research in Virginia is new compared to New England, but I've already received two posts that greatly increased what I have to work with. Your poll tax list not only has Williams, but also a Dunn and I will study it many times for more names. There was a note on the bottom about more to come. Is that Edwin's note, or someone else's? > Shrewsbury's father David WILLIAMS is another person I'm looking for more info about. I have b. 13 Feb 1748 in Franklin County, Virginia. Does anyone have his parents info and his death date? Siblings? Is there any connection between David and Thomas? They were somewhat contemporaries it appears. Which area was settled first, franklin/Bedford Counties or Prince George County? Sorry for all the questions. Every little bit counts. Pamela
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-----Original Message----- From: Edwin "Tex" Irvin <edwirvin@yahoo.com> To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 7:08 am Subject: [VABEDFOR] Poll List 1748 Brunswick ILLIAM AND MARY QUARTERLY - Brunswick County VA, 1748 Poll List Vol. 26, o. 1, p. 59 BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA. POLL LIST 1748 Brunswick o. was created by Act of Assembly in 1720 from Prince George County (see obinson, Virginia Counties, p. 76) with additions from Isle of Wight and Surry n 1732. The first court for Brunswick was held May 2, 1732, from which the ecords of this county date. The following poll list for 1748 gives the ames of the resi- dents of Brunswick voting for representatives in the House f Burgesses for the sessions of October, 1748, and April, 1749, and which esulted in the election of Sterling Clack and Drury Stith. Burge of H.—A ole of their votes: Col. John Wall eorge Wyche Thomas Tomerlin David Lucas ohn Dunn Foster Rives Thomas Jeffries homas Jacobs James Douglas John Massic enry Ledbetter James Upchurch John Tooke enry Cooke John Vincient Willlam Moseley ohn Betty William Wawmock John Irby illiam Wyche Thomas Denton Amos Horton eorge Brewer Joseph Wright Moses Vicdent John Ogburn Ninian Mitchels illiam Davis Joseph Massie Nathan Harris Richd. Ledbetter Francis Deloach osivel Sexton Joseph Carter Thomas Corvelll William Jordan William Ezell ohn Peebles William Wise Joshua Clark Charles Stuart James Judkins Peter Wyche Matthias Davis Jon Misheaux William Collier Michael Wall, Junr. John Carrie (Sworn) John VVall, Junr. John Robinson Absolem Adkinson Edward Goodrich Richard Lanier John Fennal Jeremiah Browm Adam Stimms John Butts Benjamin Sewel Hugh Daniel Thomas Lawrence Thomas Carrie John Smith William Brewer William Adams Abraham Burton Nathaniel Clark Williaam Betty John Jackson William McKnight William Smith Thomas Wise George Moseley Richd. Lebetter Edward Denton William Barlon Thomas Rives John Walton Richd. Burnett Robert Lunday P. 60 Nicholas Edmunds athaniel Perry Nathaniel Mitchel George Walton Benjamin Ivey ames Hicks Eades Smith Thomas Clanton Daniel Carrie Richard Hide Aaron Parks James Parham James Jordan John Jeffres Joseph Parks Samuel Harwell William Huff Thomas Williams James Sexton Valintine White Charles Collier William House Lawrence House Thomas Morris John Cooker Charles Williams William Fox Thomas Vincient William Corvell Thomas Austin William White Daniel Cato ohn Cato John Morgan William Bishop John Daniel William Johnson Thomas Collier Thomas Jackson Joseph Hathcock William Ren Isaac Collier Thomas Scizon George Harper Richard Ransom George Rives Timothy Rives William Whittington William Lovsey John Ray Samuel Clark Thomas Tatum John Harwell Walter Campbell John Steed James Lanier urwell Brown. Michael Wall,Sheriff, Col. Edwards George Brewer John Jackson Thomas Moseley Joseph Wright Geo. Wallton Aaron Parks Moses Vincient Eades Smith John Jefferis [sic] John Ogburn Richd. Hide Jeremiah Brown Ninian Mitchels Edward Adams Ben. Sewells William Davis James Jordan Hugh Daniel Joseph Massie Samuet Harwell Thomas Lawrence Nathan Harris James Sexton John Smith Richd. Ledbetter William House William Brewer Sizwell Sexton John Cocker William Barlow Joseph Carter Thomas Vincient Thomas Reeves Thomas Powell John Morgan John Walton William Jordan illiam Johnson Robert Lunday William Ezell Joseph Hathcock oseph Burnett John Peebles George Reeves William Smith William Wise William Lovsey James Parham Mills Joshua Clark Sam Cocke Joseph Parks Charles Stuart Thomas Tatum Thomas Williams James Judkins George Wyche Williams Robinson William Adams William Huff Thomas Morris John Johnson Valintine White Nathaniel Hicks Nathl. Clark Lawrence House James Dupree Thomas Tomlinson Charles Williams John Dupree Page 61 avid Lucas William Powel John Cato John Dunn Daniel Cato Lewis Dupree Foster Rives illiam Bishop Thomas Austin Thomas Jefferis Thomas Collier ubbard Farril Thomas Jacobs William Renn Richard Ransom James Douglas Timothy Rives Batt Peterson John Massie Peter Wyche Charles Lucas Henry Ledbetter Matt Davis John Yarburough James Upchurch William Ledbetter Benja. Donaldson John Cooke illiam Collier John Willis Henry Cooke Thos. Denton Thomas Cooke John Vinson Amos Horton Thomas Avant James Lanier John Hunt William Smith (Little) William Pettaway Thomas Wise Samuel Clark John Betty Burwell Brown William Smith (again) William Wawmack Richard Ledbetter ohn Carril (Sworn) John Irby Edward Denton Absolem Atkinson illiam Wyche Nathaniel Perry illiam Betty Benjamin Ivey Michael Wall, Sheriff. ol. Edmunds Pole. Walter Campbell John Wall Junr. Michael Wall Junr. Michael Wall, Sheriff. ol. Willis James Dupree Hinchy Mayberry Samuel Lucas John Dupree Drury Stith John Sulivant Lewis Dupree Sterling Clack William Pettaway Michael Wall, Sheriff. Pole for Drury Stith William Wall John Steed Baxter Davis James Denman William Petty Chris. Tatum Henry Embry W William Randle George Sims ohn Moutrey William Wray John Wall Giles Kelly enjamin Lanier Robt. Rynolds [sic] William McKinney John Moore ohn Davis William Maclin Robert Hicks Edward Robinson James Speed John Hicks Joseph Burnett Hazekiah Massie homas Dean James Clack Thomas Loyd (Sworn) John Randle braham Phenix Lewelling Jones Charles Goulfter Chas. Matthis (Sworn) obert Christy John Maclin William Short Thomas Bull illiam Read John Hagood Richd. Hagood Peter Simmons James Hicks Randal Brasie Isaac House James Taply William Jones eo. Clayton John Johnson P. 62 Augustine Hightower John Marshall William Williams Geo. Tilman John Ward ames Love Stephen Caudle Stephen Scizon James Parham Mason Bishop Hinchy Mabry John Edwards Hubard Quarles Richard Pepper Thomas Hardway John Johnson Samuel Lanier Geo, Scogging J ohn Avery John Mishaux Richard Yarburough William Brewer Charles King James Bennitt William Smith James Cooke William Edwards Roger Reese (Sworn) William Ledbetter Nicholas Lanier Thomas Lanioir eorge Wilson Rob. Briggs William Lrndsey Nsthl. Harriaon enry SnnnKws William Seoggin Thomas Ltoy<^ Swr. Jawies McDamet illiaiti Gree« John Ingram J&hn Burrow George I>£ardaH es^e Tatam William Burrow Robert &uakley John Pettaway iRiaKt Duggar RolneTt CunrKll Jo. Mahry (Swyrn) John Rose Friuicis Lett William TUwaa Jolin Robiason Hix Jcrnes Sampsoti Lanier Thoroaa Jackson Henry Bailey Th^, Bland harles ColHcr I-tugh Williams .REchd- Swaaaen George Stamhack illtam Aveoce William House WtiUam RoNns<'ai Witliam Mo$eley illiam Smith John Parker Heaektah Mas$w Geo. 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Hagood WilllaTn Nance ubbard Han'te Thomas Brooks WilHam Barley Jebnte Peebles ichard Birch Drury Robinson John Collw John LamlK'rt aniel Taylor Lewis Parham Nicholas Proctor JamfcS Jofeoson ames Mo&eley Sampson Caadle Samyel Rus&ctll Samuet Harwell tiSiam Gorden John Johnson Isaac Coltier (under construction to be continued) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ o post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com o contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com
> I have a Thomas WILLIAMS in Bedford Co. in 1764 when his daughter was born. > I do not know if he was born in Bedford Co. or not, but another daughter > married in Bedford Co. in 1800. I would love to find more about my Thomas. > > Velma Finley Velma: Who did Thomas marry and what part of Bedford did he live in? I have seen a Thomas Williams that lived near Flat Creek? There was a prosperous Williams family very early in Prince George county. (1730's) I believe Prince George originally covered some of old Brunswick. I don't know of any relation to your Thomas. And I know little of Virginia after the end of the 18th century. My ancestor jumped to Wilkes county, Georgia about 1793. Edwin
196 A List of Tithables for 1748 List Taken by William Caldwell Tithes Jos. Mayes ................................................. 3 Thos. Hodges ............................................... 1 Thos. Winford .............................................. 1 Edwd. Gregory .............................................. 1 Eaven Thomas Thos. Thomas ............................................. 2 Androw [Andrew] Martin Saml. Martin ............................................. 2 Redmon Fallon .............................................. 1 Reese Price ................................................ 1 {page 77} Tithes Owen Cartey ................................................ 1 James Cargill .............................................. 2 Robt. Wilken [?] ........................................... 1 Joseph Cloud ............................................... 1 Jos. Ironmonger ............................................ 1 Willm. Caldwell ............................................ 1 Richard Booker Thos. Watkins, overseer .................................. 6 James Shepard .............................................. 1 Andrew Cuningham ........................................... 1 Griffin Rutherford ......................................... 1 James Franklin ............................................. 2 George Pendleton ........................................... 1 Hugh Henry ................................................. 1 George Howard .............................................. 1 James Murphey .............................................. 1 James Logan ................................................ 1 John Midelton Ensworth Midelton ........................................ 2 Col. Wm. Randolph Wm. Thomas, overseer ..................................... 5 Joseph Williams ............................................ 1 Wm. Easley ................................................. 1 Nathaniel Ayers John Atwild [?] .......................................... 2 James Colnes [?] ........................................... 1 Thomas Willes .............................................. 1 Edward Thompson ............................................ 1 James McDead George McDead ............................................ 2 Alexander McConel .......................................... 1 James Hunt Charles Hunt James Hunt ............................................... 6 John Nevels ................................................ 1 John McDead ................................................ 1 David Emanuel .............................................. 1 {page 78} Tithes Abraham Abney Wm. Wats ................................................. 2 Wm. Cunningham ............................................. 1 Thomas Cuningham ........................................... 1 John Cuningham ............................................. 1 Francis Grimes ............................................. 1 John Caldwell .............................................. 1 James Caldwell ............................................. 1 Thomas Vernnon, Junr. ...................................... 1 John Prat .................................................. 1 Wm. Harwood ................................................ 1 George Ierland ............................................. 1 George Musick Mrs. Sarah ..ard [Ward?] Isaac Jones, overseer .................................... 2 James Anderson Wm. Anderson ............................................. 2 Alexr. Joyce ............................................... 2 Wm. Rodger [Rodgers] Robt. McAndrow [McAndrew] ................................ 2 Robt. Martin Robt. Martin, Junr. ...................................... 2 David Caldwell ............................................. 1 Archebel Murphey ........................................... 1 Wm. Caldwell ............................................... 3 George Moor ................................................ 1 Alexdr. Moor ............................................... 1 James Weakley .............................................. 1 Thomas Dayans [?] .......................................... 1 Thomas Ward ................................................ 1 Danl. Burn ................................................. 1 Jonathan Vernnon ........................................... 1 Thomas Vernnon, Senr. Lt. Isaac Vernnon ........................................ 2 Richd. Adams ............................................... 1 Thomas Ferris .............................................. 1 Thomas Rodgers ............................................. 1 Wm. Russell ................................................ 1 {page 79} Tithes Stephen Lewis .............................................. 1 Bartholumy Lawson .......................................... 1 Jonas Lawson ............................................... 1 Miml [?] Pruiet ............................................ 1 John Simkins ............................................... 3 John Hayes ................................................. 1 Joseph Tanner .............................................. 1 John Gillenton ............................................. 1 Thomas Dougherty ........................................... 3 Wm. Fuqua Jno. Fuqua ............................................... 9 John Witten ................................................ 1 Jos. Bayes ................................................. 1 James Lytle ................................................ 1 Mathius Rees ............................................... 1 James Walkup [?] ........................................... 1 Israel Pirkens ............................................. 1 Wm. Pirkens ................................................ 2 John East .................................................. 1 Tidance [?] Lane ........................................... 1 Richd. Lane, Senr. ......................................... 1 Richd. Lane, Junr. ......................................... 1 Jno. Lane .................................................. 1 David Looper, Senr. ........................................ 1 David Looper, Junr. ........................................ 1 Francis Man ................................................ 1 Chris. [?] Persons ......................................... 1 Jno. Weatherford ........................................... 1 Saml. Moor ................................................. 2 Matox Mayes ................................................ 4 Wm. Mayes .................................................. 2 The Exors. of Jno. Coles, Decd. Lt. James Anderson, overseer ............................. 11 John Light ................................................. 1 Richd. Davis ............................................... 1 Jno. Wotton ................................................ 1 George Abney ............................................... 1 James Stuart {page 80} Tithes Chas. Stuart Wm. Casedy ............................................... 3 Jno. Stewart Danl. Marr ............................................... 2 Jno. Savory [?] ............................................ 1 Danl. Smith ................................................ 1 Jno. Logan ................................................. 1 David Logan ................................................ 1 Wm. Weakley ................................................ 1 Robt. Weakley .............................................. 1 Jos. Eckholes Abraham Eckholes Israel [?] Eckholes ...................................... 3 James Rutherford H.. [?] Rutherford ....................................... 2 John Griffett .............................................. 1 Wm. Arther ................................................. 1 Jno. Warters ............................................... 1 Col. Richard Randolph Radford Maxcey, overseer ................................. 5 Coles Exors. Richd. Treadway, overseer ................................ 5 James McGlaulin ............................................ 1 Jno. Oar Jno. Oar, Junr. James Oar ................................................ 3 Thomas Ward ................................................ 1 Joseph Ferris .............................................. 1 Wm. Ferris Chars. Ferris ............................................ 2 James Ferris ............................................... 1 Luke Smith ................................................. 1 Stephen Collins Torrance McDanil ......................................... 6 Colo. Wm. Randolph Thompson Harris, overseer ................................ 5 Col. Richard Kennon ........................................ 2 Henry Pruiet ............................................... 1 {page 81} Tithes Wm. Usery [?] .............................................. 1 --- 214 Robert Cobbs Ambrose Cobbs ............................................ 3 James Williams ............................................. 3 John Parker ................................................ 4 Robert Boswell [?] ......................................... 1 --- 11
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A List of Tithables from the Mouth of Falling River Upwards for the Year 1748 Taken by John Phelps Tithes John Phelps Thos. Phelps ............................................. 3 Robert Baber ............................................... 2 Robert Allin ............................................... 1 Nicholis Hail .............................................. 4 Charles Morreman Joseph Clark ............................................. 2 Nathanil Giles [?] ......................................... 2 William "Ditto" [Giles?] ................................... 1 Andrew Vance ............................................... 1 John Robbins ............................................... 1 Ambrose Bryant ............................................. 1 William Bryant ............................................. 1 John Mead Wm. Mead ................................................. 2 Christopher Irvine David Irvine William Irvine John Williams ............................................ 4 Joseph Miller {page 82} Tithes William Thomson John Thompson ............................................ 3 Phillip Wilson ............................................. 1 Henry Baily ................................................ 1 William Heath .............................................. 1 Matthew Henson ............................................. 1 Adam Loveing ............................................... 1 William Harvey ............................................. 1 Richard Hill ............................................... 1 John Denney John Denney, Jun. ........................................ 2 Efrem Clark and Rydarus [?] Clark ........................................ 2 Rice Price John Price Rice Price, Jr. Thos. Price .............................................. 4 Larrance Barker ............................................ 1 John Richardson and Amus Richardson .......................................... 2 Timothy Dalton ............................................. 1 David Dalton and John Hill ................................................ 2 William Bennit Peter Bennit and Joseph Bennit ............................................ 3 John Dalton and John Gallemoor ........................................... 2 Thos. Dunkin ............................................... 1 John Goode and John Goode, Jun. ......................................... 2 John Harvey ................................................ 1 Aaron Burleson ............................................. 1 William Walker John Walker Thos. Walker and James Walker ............................................. 4 Jester Cocke ............................................. 1 {page 83} Tithes Patrick Dyal ............................................... 1 Thomas Prather ............................................. 1 Edward Mobberley and Benja. Mobberley ......................................... 2 William Mobberley .......................................... 1 Clem Mobberley ............................................. 1 William Callaway Sheward Gaddy ............................................ 5 Richard Callaway ........................................... 1 William Vardeman John Vardeman and William Vardeman, Jun. ................................... 3 Jonas Anderson ............................................. 1 Stephen Hutson and Thomas Hutson ............................................ 2 John Cock .................................................. 1 John Wheler ................................................ 1 Joseph Williams ............................................ 1 William Hill ............................................... 1 John Lawson and William Lawson ........................................... 2 John Cathey ................................................ 1 Giles Williams ............................................. 1 William Brown .............................................. 1 William Wiley .............................................. 1 Henry Hendrickson .......................................... 1 Patrick Johnson ............................................ 1 John Miller ................................................ 1 William Cathey ............................................. 1 Thomas McGill .............................................. 1 Moses Ray Benja. Ray Joseph Ray ............................................... 3 William Morgain ............................................ 1 John Adums -- at Pig River ................................. 1 John Payn in Goochland 3 Tithes Charles Spurlock ................................ 3 John Addums -- "in ye forrest" ............................. 1 {page 84} Tithes Lewis Lefey ................................................ 2 John Grayes ................................................ 2 John Read Thomas Read .............................................. 2 Timothy Johnson James Johnson ............................................ 4 Aquilla Gilbert ............................................ 1 Walter Mathews ............................................. 1 James Rentfro .............................................. 1 Joseph Rentfro ............................................. 2 Peter Vanbeber and Isaac Vanbeber ........................................... 2 James Cole, Junr. .......................................... 1 Robt. Jones and Thos. Jones .............................................. 2 William Rentfro ............................................ 1 Danil Dunnoho .............................................. 1 David Griffith ............................................. 1 Rodger Turnner ............................................. 1 Marke Hays ................................................. 1 Rice Morgain ............................................... 1 Paul Paulson and Michel Harvey ............................................ 2 Jacob Presnel .............................................. 1 John Williams .............................................. 1 Robert Hooker .............................................. 1 Joshea [?] Brock ........................................... 1 William Prather ............................................ 1 Thos. Gaddey ............................................... 1 William Boyed .............................................. 1 Elias Barker and Ralph Wilson ............................................. 2 Charles Lynch One tith negro Harry ..................................... 1 Jonathan Burleson .......................................... 1 Robert Rusell .............................................. 1 John Turnner ............................................... 1 {page 85} Tithes Thomas Pitman .............................................. 1 James Gibson Archblad [Archibald?] Gibson ............................. 2 Randol Gibson .............................................. 1 William Perrey ............................................. 1 John Mandley and John Mandley, Jun. William Mandley .......................................... 3 William Morse .............................................. 1 Edmund Franklin Thos. Wood ............................................... 4 Lewis Franklin and Edmund Franklin .......................................... 2 John Beard Miles Barret ............................................. 3 Francis Vaninham ........................................... 1 James Pattey ............................................... 1 Nathan Turnner ............................................. 1 William Ducker ............................................. 1 Charles Cock ............................................... 1 Adum Beard ................................................. 1 William Crosbey ............................................ 1 Joseph Hollingworth and John Hannah .............................................. 2 Sam. Draik ................................................. 1 James Newell ............................................... 1 Joseph Corneilous .......................................... 1 Thos. Cody and Pearce Codey ............................................. 2 John Lad [?] ............................................... 1 Thos. Hall and John Hall ................................................ 2 Robt. Hodges Isham Hodges ............................................. 2 Luis Potter ................................................ 1 Wm. Adkins ................................................. 1 Wm. Owen ................................................... 1 Wm. Owen, Jr. .............................................. 1 {page 86} Tithes John Miles ................................................. 1 William Reas ............................................... 1 William Hall ............................................... 1 Thos. Hall ................................................. 1 --- 194 {Page continued in Part 3} ************************************************************************
A List of Tithables Taken June Ye 10th, 1748 By Mathew Talbot Tithes Mathew Talbot Lits Mathew Talbot, Junr. William Cook Jno. Meguire ............................................. 8 {page 74} Tithes Abraham Linderman .......................................... 1 Elizabeth Young's List Phillip Young Robert Baker ............................................. 2 David Givin ................................................ 6 Thomas Lewis ............................................... 1 Jno. Adkins Thos. Adkins, Junr. William Adkins ........................................... 4 Jno. Austin Jos. Austin .............................................. 2 Jno. Austin, Junr. ......................................... 1 Saml. Johnsson ............................................. 1 William Johnsson ........................................... 1 Michal Dickson ............................................. 1 Thos. Jones, List David Jones Marmaduke Standfield ..................................... 9 Godfrey Jones, List ........................................ 4 Moses Hall ................................................. 1 Thos. Hall ................................................. 1 Jno. Mouns ................................................. 1 Thos. Dickson Benja. Dickson ........................................... 2 Henry Isbell ............................................... 1 Thos. Spencer, List Ambrose Eastice .......................................... 2 William Hall ............................................... 2 Thos. Bouldin, List ........................................ 4 Abraham Martin's List Saml. Perrin ............................................. 5 Nemiah Franks .............................................. 1 Saml. Dunall ............................................... 1 Charles Sullivant .......................................... 1 Jno. Sullivant James Sullivant .......................................... 2 Capt. Stephen Bedford, List Jno. Sansom .............................................. 4 {page 75} Tithes George Foster, Senr. George Foster ............................................ 3 Richd. Jones ............................................... 1 Charles Talbot ............................................. 2 Coll. Richard Randolph's List Thos. Worthy James [R]owland Robt. Williams ........................................... 14 Josias Dickson ............................................. 1 Jno. Smith ................................................. 1 Henry May .................................................. 3 William Silcock ............................................ 1 James White ................................................ 1 Jeremiah Childrey .......................................... 1 Jno. Waller ................................................ 2 Jos. Dabbs, List Danl. Sullivant .......................................... 5 Danl. Firth ................................................ 1 James Cox, List Jno. Owen ................................................ 10 Jno. Nicholas .............................................. 4 William Bromfield .......................................... 1 William Walser ............................................. 1 Jos. Jones ................................................. 1 Jacob Stober ............................................... 1 Danl. Humphreys ............................................ 1 Richd. Austin .............................................. 1 James Stewart .............................................. 1 Thomas John ................................................ 1 Saml. David ................................................ 1 Jos. Perrin William Perrin ........................................... 2 William Matthews ........................................... 1 David Lee Jno. Lee ................................................. 2 Richd. Ward's Lits Perrin Allday ............................................ 3 Jos. Morton ................................................ 5 {page 76} Tithes Reuben Roy ................................................. 1 Capt. John Ruffin's List Fuller Skipwith .......................................... 13 Philip Jones ............................................... 3 William Hogg ............................................... 1 Robt. Childrey ............................................. 1 Coll. Robt. Jones, List Robt. Jones William Jones Thos. Jones .............................................. 10 Owen Sullivant ............................................. 1 Richard Jones .............................................. 1 Henry Davenport ............................................ 1 Michal McDanel ............................................. 1 Richd. Hill ................................................ 1 Aaron Ayers ................................................ 1 Charles Harris ............................................. 1 Jno. Givin ................................................. 1 Clement Read's List Thos. Nash ............................................... 17 --- 196
SUNLIGHT ON THE SOUTHSIDE Transcribed by Thomas Walter Duda Part 2 Contents of Files ----------------- sun001.txt - (Part 1) Background history, explanation of tithes, etc. sun002.txt - (Part 2) 1748 Tithe List sun003.txt - (Part 3) 1749 Tithe List sun004.txt - (Part 4) 1750 Tithe List sun005.txt - (Part 5) 1751 Tithe List sun006.txt - (Part 6) 1752 Tithe List sun007.txt - (Part 7) 1764 Tithe List sun008.txt - (Part 8) 1769 Tithe List sun009.txt - (Part 9) 1772 Tithe List sun010.txt - (Part 10) 1773 Tithe List sun011.txt - (Part 11) 1774 Tithe List sun012.txt - (Part 12) 1775 Tithe List sun013.txt - (Part 13) 1776 Tithe List sun014.txt - (Part 14) 1783 Tithe List Transcriber's Note: Apart from identifying misspelled words in Part 1, the transcriber has not altered the text. Any comments not clearly marked as being those of the transcriber are either those of the author or of a work cited by the author. The names in the tithe lists have been rendered precisely as found in the published text. It must be stressed that any suggestions as to alternative spellings or questioning that occur within the tithe lists are those of the author. The full text is presented in this transcription with the exception of the index. Each year is contained in its own file. Footnotes are rendered in brackets; page numbers are rendered in braces. Any parenthetical text has been rendered using the brackets or parentheses that appear in the published text. Between pp. 58 and 59 of the published text there appears a fold-out map of Lunenburg County as it existed in 1748, overlaid with the tithe subdivisions and the counties that were created from the original territory of Lunenburg county. A textual representation of the map, together with explanatory text, appears in Part 2 at the end of page 58, but prior to the start of the list of tithes. No copyright notice was printed in the published text. {page 57} CHAPTER TWO LIST OF TITHES, LUNENBURG COUNTY, VIRGINIA 1748, 1749, 1750, 1751 The lists of tithes for the years 1748, 1749, 1750 and 1751 embrace the entire area of ancient Lunenburg or the whole of the County, before it suffered any loss of territory, by the subdivision of its area into other counties. In other words, these lists embrace the census of tithables of the area which is now embraced in whole or in part in eleven counties. These counties are Lunenburg, Mecklenburg, Charlotte, Halifax, Pittsylvania, Henry, Patrick, Franklin, Campbell, Bedford and Appomattox. Campbell and Bedford Counties embrace a little territory not originally within Lunenburg, while only about a fourth of the area of Appomattox is from territory originally within Lunenburg County. It is believed that all the lists for all these years except 1751 have been found, and are embraced herein. Only four lists for 1751 have been discovered. There were almost certainly four, and very probably five other lists for this year, which have not been found. A map of the County as it was when organized in 1746, and as it stood in 1748, is herewith presented. It is laid off into precincts for the taking of tithes that year. The boundaries of these precincts cannot be drawn with exact certainty, but from a study of the map and the brief description of the orders designating the territory within which each justice should take the lists, an approximation of the boundaries of the precincts has been attempted. It is felt they are, at least, accurate enough to serve a useful purpose. The designation of these precincts indicates that the most thickly populated area of Lunenburg County at that time was that section north of Roanoke River westward to Falling Creek, {page 58} and that probably the most thickly settled part of that territory was that lying upon the watershed of Meherrin River. The site of John Phelps' precinct from Falling River westward indicates that this was sparsely settled; and this was true in greater degree of the precinct of Cornelius Cargill. Theoretically his precinct embraced, presumably, all the territory from Butcher's Creek westward, and in the Forks of Roanoke (and Dan) rivers, and from the North Carolina line northward to the boundaries of other precincts, and westward to the limits of the County. But probably such inhabitants as were then in the area were clustered in and about "the fork" of the river. There were probably but few persons then resident in what is now Patrick, Henry, Franklin and a considerable part of Halifax Counties. By reference to this map, the designation of precincts in later years, and to the list of Tithables of the several precincts in these later years, one can appreciate the extent of the influx of population into this section. There was an enormous surge of immigration from the valley of the James, from the eastward; in fact, from all the older parts of Virginia, as well as from Maryland and Pennsylvania. The waves of this tide of immigrants flowed in and filled the land, many making but a temporary pause. As already pointed out, these pioneers and their children by countless thousands passed on into North Carolina, and into the territory that is now Kentucky; they helped to populate South Carolina and Georgia; they furnished a large percentage of the inhabitants of Alabama, Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois; and more recently still all of the newer parts of the United States. more to follow later
WILLIAM AND MARY QUARTERLY - Brunswick County VA, 1748 Poll List Vol. 26, No. 1, p. 59 BRUNSWICK COUNTY, VIRGINIA. POLL LIST 1748 Brunswick Co. was created by Act of Assembly in 1720 from Prince George County (see Robinson, Virginia Counties, p. 76) with additions from Isle of Wight and Surry in 1732. The first court for Brunswick was held May 2, 1732, from which the records of this county date. The following poll list for 1748 gives the names of the resi- dents of Brunswick voting for representatives in the House of Burgesses for the sessions of October, 1748, and April, 1749, and which resulted in the election of Sterling Clack and Drury Stith. Burge of H.A pole of their votes: Col. John Wall George Wyche Thomas Tomerlin David Lucas John Dunn Foster Rives Thomas Jeffries Thomas Jacobs James Douglas John Massic Henry Ledbetter James Upchurch John Tooke Henry Cooke John Vincient Willlam Moseley John Betty William Wawmock John Irby William Wyche Thomas Denton Amos Horton George Brewer Joseph Wright Moses Vicdent John Ogburn Ninian Mitchels William Davis Joseph Massie Nathan Harris Richd. Ledbetter Francis Deloach Losivel Sexton Joseph Carter Thomas Corvelll William Jordan William Ezell John Peebles William Wise Joshua Clark Charles Stuart James Judkins Peter Wyche Matthias Davis Jon Misheaux William Collier Michael Wall, Junr. John Carrie (Sworn) John VVall, Junr. John Robinson Absolem Adkinson Edward Goodrich Richard Lanier John Fennal Jeremiah Browm Adam Stimms John Butts Benjamin Sewel Hugh Daniel Thomas Lawrence Thomas Carrie John Smith William Brewer William Adams Abraham Burton Nathaniel Clark Williaam Betty John Jackson William McKnight William Smith Thomas Wise George Moseley Richd. Lebetter Edward Denton William Barlon Thomas Rives John Walton Richd. Burnett Robert Lunday P. 60 Nicholas Edmunds Nathaniel Perry Nathaniel Mitchel George Walton Benjamin Ivey James Hicks Eades Smith Thomas Clanton Daniel Carrie Richard Hide Aaron Parks James Parham James Jordan John Jeffres Joseph Parks Samuel Harwell William Huff Thomas Williams James Sexton Valintine White Charles Collier William House Lawrence House Thomas Morris John Cooker Charles Williams William Fox Thomas Vincient William Corvell Thomas Austin William White Daniel Cato John Cato John Morgan William Bishop John Daniel William Johnson Thomas Collier Thomas Jackson Joseph Hathcock William Ren Isaac Collier Thomas Scizon George Harper Richard Ransom George Rives Timothy Rives William Whittington William Lovsey John Ray Samuel Clark Thomas Tatum John Harwell Walter Campbell John Steed James Lanier Burwell Brown. Michael Wall, Sheriff, Col. Edwards George Brewer John Jackson Thomas Moseley Joseph Wright Geo. Wallton Aaron Parks Moses Vincient Eades Smith John Jefferis [sic] John Ogburn Richd. Hide Jeremiah Brown Ninian Mitchels Edward Adams Ben. Sewells William Davis James Jordan Hugh Daniel Joseph Massie Samuet Harwell Thomas Lawrence Nathan Harris James Sexton John Smith Richd. Ledbetter William House William Brewer Sizwell Sexton John Cocker William Barlow Joseph Carter Thomas Vincient Thomas Reeves Thomas Powell John Morgan John Walton William Jordan William Johnson Robert Lunday William Ezell Joseph Hathcock Joseph Burnett John Peebles George Reeves William Smith William Wise William Lovsey James Parham Mills Joshua Clark Sam Cocke Joseph Parks Charles Stuart Thomas Tatum Thomas Williams James Judkins George Wyche Williams Robinson William Adams William Huff Thomas Morris John Johnson Valintine White Nathaniel Hicks Nathl. Clark Lawrence House James Dupree Thomas Tomlinson Charles Williams John Dupree Page 61 David Lucas William Powel John Cato John Dunn Daniel Cato Lewis Dupree Foster Rives William Bishop Thomas Austin Thomas Jefferis Thomas Collier Hubbard Farril Thomas Jacobs William Renn Richard Ransom James Douglas Timothy Rives Batt Peterson John Massie Peter Wyche Charles Lucas Henry Ledbetter Matt Davis John Yarburough James Upchurch William Ledbetter Benja. Donaldson John Tooke William Collier John Willis Henry Cooke Thos. Denton Thomas Cooke John Vinson Amos Horton Thomas Avant James Lanier John Hunt William Smith (Little) William Pettaway Thomas Wise Samuel Clark John Betty Burwell Brown William Smith (again) William Wawmack Richard Ledbetter John Carril (Sworn) John Irby Edward Denton Absolem Atkinson William Wyche Nathaniel Perry William Betty Benjamin Ivey Michael Wall, Sheriff. Col. Edmunds Pole. Walter Campbell John Wall Junr. Michael Wall Junr. Michael Wall, Sheriff. Col. Willis James Dupree Hinchy Mayberry Samuel Lucas John Dupree Drury Stith John Sulivant Lewis Dupree Sterling Clack William Pettaway Michael Wall, Sheriff. Pole for Drury Stith William Wall John Steed Baxter Davis James Denman William Petty Chris. Tatum Henry Embry William Randle George Sims John Moutrey William Wray John Wall Giles Kelly Benjamin Lanier Robt. Rynolds [sic] William McKinney John Moore John Davis William Maclin Robert Hicks Edward Robinson James Speed John Hicks Joseph Burnett Hazekiah Massie Thomas Dean James Clack Thomas Loyd (Sworn) John Randle Abraham Phenix Lewelling Jones Charles Goulfter Chas. Matthis (Sworn) Robert Christy John Maclin William Short Thomas Bull William Read John Hagood Richd. Hagood Peter Simmons James Hicks Randal Brasie Isaac House James Taply William Jones Geo. Clayton John Johnson P. 62 Augustine Hightower John Marshall William Williams Geo. Tilman John Ward James Love Stephen Caudle Stephen Scizon James Parham Mason Bishop Hinchy Mabry John Edwards Hubard Quarles Richard Pepper Thomas Hardway John Johnson Samuel Lanier Geo, Scogging John Avery John Mishaux Richard Yarburough William Brewer Charles King James Bennitt William Smith James Cooke William Edwards Roger Reese (Sworn) William Ledbetter Nicholas Lanier Thomas Lanioir Ceorge Wilson Rob. Briggs William Lrndsey Nsthl. Harriaon Henry SnnnKws William Seoggin Thomas Ltoy<^ Swr. Jawies McDamet Williaiti Gree« John Ingram J&hn Burrow George I>£ardaH Jes^e Tatam William Burrow Robert &uakley John Pettaway WiRiaKt Duggar RolneTt CunrKll Jo. Mahry (Swyrn) John Rose Friuicis Lett William TUwaa Jolin Robiason Hix Jcrnes Sampsoti Lanier Thoroaa Jackson Henry Bailey Th^, Bland Charles ColHcr I-tugh Williams .REchd- Swaaaen George Stamhack Willtam Aveoce William House WtiUam RoNns<'ai Witliam Mo$eley William Smith John Parker Heaektah Mas$w Geo. Mosetey WiUiam Haton Owen Strange Thomas Cl&nton John D^^gSaa T!i0»na& Txvi^y Thomas Moseley John Thornton Wt^ian» Stnith 1»aa<; Mstthi^ Henry Jackson Josbs Floyd John Peanel j^athaniel Hicks Thomas Procter James Madm Heoo' Morris Drury Malone (Sworn) John Ezdl William Morris Gee. Tilnian, Jtmr. E4war4 Hudand John Jackson Frands Hagood John Geo. Peanington Davtd Wstfter Geo. Hagood WilllaTn Nance Hubbard Han'te Thomas Brooks WilHam Barley Jebnte Peebles Richard Birch Drury Robinson John Collw John LamlK'rt Daniel Taylor Lewis Parham Nicholas Proctor JamfcS Jofeoson James Mo&eley Sampson Caadle Samyel Rus&ctll Samuet Harwell WtiSiam Gorden John Johnson Isaac Coltier (under construction to be continued)
Note: It must be remembered that very few native Americans (Indians) lived in Southwest Va. during the time of the Indian Wars, just a few small pockets. East Tennessee (NC at the time) and Southwest Va/Ky was used by both the Cherokee and Northern Indians as hunting grounds.. Each time the British government made a new treaty with the Indians, the lines moved further west and settlers moved in.. Some brave settlers went beyond the treaty lines and staked out land claims hoping their claims would be recognized when the larger land surveys were made. Sometimes they lost their cleared land and cabins when the surveyors arrived... Some literature paints pictures of the settlers on the Holston and other western waters as horse theives and scoundrels but if you will read the court records of southwest Va., you will find that the large majority of these people were fine upstanding men who became honored statesmen in Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky.. It was from these early settlers that the men of Kings Mountain came and won a decisive battle of the Rev. War.. GLH You are absolutely correct, Lee. The vast majority of the pioneers were decent people. The first thing they built, after their homesteads, was a meeting house for a Church. There were scoundrels and outlaws, like any other place in the world, then and now, but frontier justice was swift and severe. James Patton was granted many thousands of acres by the Crown, some near Blacksburg, (Draper's Meadows) and other lands across the mountains. After the various wars, treaties were signed with the Indians and migration and settlement was forbidden. We all know how that worked out. We more or less reneged on all of them. Poor families would not be denied. They went anyway, in search of cheap lands. Some of them paid a terrible price. Many of the original patents, granted by Patton and others, were litigated in courts for a hundred years. The fledgling Republic had been so intertwined with British law and practices for so long, it took generations to settle all of the disputes. The pioneers dragged the "government" along behind them. And eventually dragged "civilization" all the way to the Pacific. The Capt. William Campbell of the 1st Virginia soon became a General and was famous at the battle of King's Mountain. He was a brother in law of Patrick Henry. Later Campbell county was named after him, posthumously, at the suggestion of Patrick Henry. I have access to many old publications and would be more than happy to look someone up. I try to stay focused on the old Brunswick/Lunenburg area. Just don't expect an immediate response. I work all the time. Edwin
Vrgfdonna@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/2008 1:03:51 PM Central Standard Time, > Frdfn7@aol.com writes: > > Four sons of David Williams and Elizabeth Ayres born 1790-1800. John, > James, > Shrewsbury, Mastin. > Shrewsbury is found abt. 1830 in Missouri. Does anyone have information on > the other three? > ***** > > I have a Thomas WILLIAMS in Bedford Co. in 1764 when his daughter was born. > I do not know if he was born in Bedford Co. or not, but another daughter > married in Bedford Co. in 1800. I would love to find more about my Thomas. > > Velma Finley > > > > My husband is a descendant of Shrewsbury and I have been accumulating some info. I currently have none on Velma's Thomas, but I have some on David and Elizabeth's children. There were at least 5 boys and 1 daughter. William was older and not indentured out by the courts like the others. > John, in 1811 was surety bond for sister Sarah's marriage to Theodorick A. Ramsey on 19 Mar 1811. Mastin was b. abt 1815 in Virginia and married Martha from Ohio and had a daughter, Julia Elma b.abt 1849 in Ohio. He may not be the right Mastin. I have more on William, but it is not in my database yet. I have been ill for a month and am behind. Pamela
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Note: It must be remembered that very few native Americans (Indians) lived in Southwest Va. during the time of the Indian Wars, just a few small pockets. East Tennessee (NC at the time) and Southwest Va/Ky was used by both the Cherokee and Northern Indians as hunting grounds.. Each time the British government made a new treaty with the Indians, the lines moved further west and settlers moved in.. Some brave settlers went beyond the treaty lines and staked out land claims hoping their claims would be recognized when the larger land surveys were made. Sometimes they lost their cleared land and cabins when the surveyors arrived... Some literature paints pictures of the settlers on the Holston and other western waters as horse theives and scoundrels but if you will read the court records of southwest Va., you will find that the large majority of these people were fine upstanding men who became honored statesmen in Virginia, Tennessee and Kentucky.. It was from these early settlers that the men of Kings Mountain came and won a decisive battle of the Rev. War.. GLH
What I have been looking for is more information on that whole area, like the militia lists. They are the nearest thing to a census that many of us have to rely on. My person in Dunmore's War was a poor scrub farmer. I suspect his wife was Native American. I can't find her name. Their son married a woman of East Indian maternal ancestry and is referred to as Native American, and Melungeon. Their daughter married a Cherokee. Many of the traders had Indian families along with their white ones. Indian women told of the coming attacks on some of the forts because they loved their men inside. It was a very mixed culturally society in that area at that time. There were also escaped slaves that were taken in by the Indians who then assimilated into their culture. Some of us will never get their Native American families found working in that area, but we keep trying. Some of the Virginians went down to the North of Holston Settlements and demanded that everyone take an oath - I think it was to the state of VA or some such thing - well, many refused and were forced to leave the settlement. I think it was Richard Pearis who led them out and they went down to SC around Greeneville. After the war I think Pearis left the US. I don't remember if anyone went with him, but I bet they did, probably Loyalists. Some of those people came back up to NE TN. Loyalists were those loyal to King George and usually shop keepers and such. Tories were marauders who just operated outside of the law against everyone. Rebels were the winners and became patriots. There really is no way of figuring out for sure which was which without provincial records, because many were Rebels/Patriots and Loyalists, both. It depended whose "Ox was being gored" at the time. It also, depended how each poor scrub farmer's actions were perceived, and by whom. It was a civil war down there! I have found that many of the people in Upper East TN, Western NC, but not so much SW VA were in that time and place running from something. maybe birth circumstances, debt, the law for whatever reason...and this makes it so very difficult to find hide or hair of them. To compound things there was so much misunderstanding among the races. I can prove white and red and don't know about black, but the dna has not shown any. East Indians were perceived as Black, as were many Native Americans. There was slaughter on all sides. It was horrible and went on for a long time after the "end" of the Revolution. Read the Provincial and State Papers of the states that were formed out of the area. They will make your hair stand on end, but you will get the true story, not someone's conception of it. Please forgive my generalities. I am going from memory. I have read and re-read much of our miserable killing of each other trying to find my people, that what I have mostly remembered is movement and migration for tracking purposes. Jeanne jbass@digital.net wrote: > And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. Edwin > > slavery hate rhetoric - your imagine statement is pc proproganda. how about some proof instead of a pc rant. Wonder what happened to the white supporters of dunmore who likely were poor scrub farmers and not as valuable as the slaves. > > josephine > > -----Original Message----- > >> From: "Edwin \"Tex\" Irvin" <edwirvin@yahoo.com> >> Sent: Jan 23, 2008 4:06 PM >> To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [VABEDFOR] Dunsmore's War >> >> I hope it was not me that was misunderstood. Perhaps I should have clarified it better. Of course, Dunsmore's war was against the Indians. He personally led half of an 1100 man force of militia, almost all southwest Virginians, against Shawnee Chief Cornstalk. Andrew Lewis commanded the other half. Some old historians, probably in error, believed Dunsmore was in secret alliance with the Shawnees to butcher the Virginians in an ambush, because the rebellion was brewing. Dunsmore did not personally get too close to the fighting. 75 Virginians were killed and 150 wounded. Immediately after the battle, Dunsmore treated with the Indians and let Cornstalk off the hook. Hence the conspiracy theories. A few years later, during the Rev. War, Cornstalk was captured and put in jail. The kin of many he had butchered broke into the jail and killed the old Indian who had slaughtered so many settlers. Before some of the militia had gotten home, the "shot heard round the world" >> was fired at Concord, and the rest is history. Dunsmore later evacuated Williamsburg and set up in Norfolk. He scrounged up an army of 600 British regulars, many tidewater tories, and forced slaves to fight with a promise of freedom. Bedford county and others raised the 1st Va. Militia regiment, commanded by Col. Patrick Henry and Capt. William Campbell, (Campbell county was named after him) late in 1775, and marched to Norfolk to deal with Dunsmore's shenanigans. Dunsmore was finally forced off the continent, and spent a few weeks on a ship in the harbor, before finally leaving for good, I think, in the summer of 1776. And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. Edwin >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com >> To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > Josephine Lindsay Bass > Confederate Southern American > 216 Beach Park Lane > Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 > 321-206-6475 > My Southern Family, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ > Becky Bass Bonner > Home of the *HARRISON* Repository http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com > To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >
Tell us more about your Indian and Melungeon ancestors from NE Tenn and NC. Margaret Mabrey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne M. Bornefeld" <jeanneb@fwi.com> To: <jbass@digital.net>; <vabedfor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [VABEDFOR] Dunsmore's War > What I have been looking for is more information on that whole area, > like the militia lists. They are the nearest thing to a census that many > of us have to rely on. My person in Dunmore's War was a poor scrub > farmer. I suspect his wife was Native American. I can't find her name. > Their son married a woman of East Indian maternal ancestry and is > referred to as Native American, and Melungeon. Their daughter married a > Cherokee. Many of the traders had Indian families along with their white > ones. Indian women told of the coming attacks on some of the forts > because they loved their men inside. It was a very mixed culturally > society in that area at that time. There were also escaped slaves that > were taken in by the Indians who then assimilated into their culture. > Some of us will never get their Native American families found working > in that area, but we keep trying. > > Some of the Virginians went down to the North of Holston Settlements and > demanded that everyone take an oath - I think it was to the state of VA > or some such thing - well, many refused and were forced to leave the > settlement. I think it was Richard Pearis who led them out and they went > down to SC around Greeneville. After the war I think Pearis left the US. > I don't remember if anyone went with him, but I bet they did, probably > Loyalists. Some of those people came back up to NE TN. Loyalists were > those loyal to King George and usually shop keepers and such. Tories > were marauders who just operated outside of the law against everyone. > Rebels were the winners and became patriots. There really is no way of > figuring out for sure which was which without provincial records, > because many were Rebels/Patriots and Loyalists, both. It depended whose > "Ox was being gored" at the time. It also, depended how each poor scrub > farmer's actions were perceived, and by whom. It was a civil war down > there! > > I have found that many of the people in Upper East TN, Western NC, but > not so much SW VA were in that time and place running from something. > maybe birth circumstances, debt, the law for whatever reason...and this > makes it so very difficult to find hide or hair of them. To compound > things there was so much misunderstanding among the races. I can prove > white and red and don't know about black, but the dna has not shown any. > East Indians were perceived as Black, as were many Native Americans. > There was slaughter on all sides. It was horrible and went on for a long > time after the "end" of the Revolution. Read the Provincial and State > Papers of the states that were formed out of the area. They will make > your hair stand on end, but you will get the true story, not someone's > conception of it. > > Please forgive my generalities. I am going from memory. I have read and > re-read much of our miserable killing of each other trying to find my > people, that what I have mostly remembered is movement and migration for > tracking purposes. Jeanne > > jbass@digital.net wrote: >> And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. >> Edwin >> >> slavery hate rhetoric - your imagine statement is pc proproganda. how >> about some proof instead of a pc rant. Wonder what happened to the white >> supporters of dunmore who likely were poor scrub farmers and not as >> valuable as the slaves. >> >> josephine >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: "Edwin \"Tex\" Irvin" <edwirvin@yahoo.com> >>> Sent: Jan 23, 2008 4:06 PM >>> To: vabedfor@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [VABEDFOR] Dunsmore's War >>> >>> I hope it was not me that was misunderstood. Perhaps I should have >>> clarified it better. Of course, Dunsmore's war was against the Indians. >>> He personally led half of an 1100 man force of militia, almost all >>> southwest Virginians, against Shawnee Chief Cornstalk. Andrew Lewis >>> commanded the other half. Some old historians, probably in error, >>> believed Dunsmore was in secret alliance with the Shawnees to butcher >>> the Virginians in an ambush, because the rebellion was brewing. >>> Dunsmore did not personally get too close to the fighting. 75 >>> Virginians were killed and 150 wounded. Immediately after the battle, >>> Dunsmore treated with the Indians and let Cornstalk off the hook. Hence >>> the conspiracy theories. A few years later, during the Rev. War, >>> Cornstalk was captured and put in jail. The kin of many he had >>> butchered broke into the jail and killed the old Indian who had >>> slaughtered so many settlers. Before some of the militia had gotten >>> home, the "shot heard round the world" >>> was fired at Concord, and the rest is history. Dunsmore later evacuated >>> Williamsburg and set up in Norfolk. He scrounged up an army of 600 >>> British regulars, many tidewater tories, and forced slaves to fight with >>> a promise of freedom. Bedford county and others raised the 1st Va. >>> Militia regiment, commanded by Col. Patrick Henry and Capt. William >>> Campbell, (Campbell county was named after him) late in 1775, and >>> marched to Norfolk to deal with Dunsmore's shenanigans. Dunsmore was >>> finally forced off the continent, and spent a few weeks on a ship in the >>> harbor, before finally leaving for good, I think, in the summer of 1776. >>> And you can imagine what happened to the slaves that helped him. >>> Edwin >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com >>> To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> Josephine Lindsay Bass >> Confederate Southern American >> 216 Beach Park Lane >> Cape Canaveral, FL 32920 >> 321-206-6475 >> My Southern Family, >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/ >> Becky Bass Bonner >> Home of the *HARRISON* Repository >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisonrep/ >> >> >> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com >> To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > To post to the list, email: VABEDFOR@rootsweb.com > To contact the list admin, email: VABEDFOR-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VABEDFOR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message