Hi Julie,Ed, Linda, et al........ I cannot imagine more helpful, informative and thoughtful replies to my plea! Thanks VERY much. I'm going to copy this note to the lists for two reasons; first to publicly thank you all, and second, to ask for copies of all migration postings. I'm getting quite a few responses, and unfortunately, have just today dropped from all the rootweb lists, since I'm not going to be able to pick up e-mail for most of May and all of June. I don't want to miss ANY of the messages, so PLEASE COPY ME as well as posting information to the mail lists. I shall post any information I get when I return in July. John Haynes John@Haynes.Net or JHaynesNC@aol.com ========Original Messages======== Subj: Re: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration Routes - Bedford, VA to KY early 1800s Date: 4/28/99 12:00:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: ANNIV2776@aol.com Reply-to: ANNIV2776@aol.com To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com John, I'm sure there are many families from Bedford that traveled the routes you were describing and there just has to be many family historians out there (probably novices, like myself) that are not aware of it yet. I recently "discovered" a small section of the Bedford Gross family who went on to Breckinridge County, Kentucky. There's a great book, "Payne and Associated Families of Breckinridge Co., Ky" by Norman L. Payne which includes Bedford and Franklin Counties and many families that traveled on to Kentucky. No actual routes of migration travelled as far as I can tell right now, but I can give you approximate dates as to when they show up there. Abraham Gross shows up on a deed in March of 1817 in Breckinridge. It looks as if he took some of the family with him but for those who stayed behind, I can now see and understand the family connections, knowing all of this. It's also helping me with leads as to where they may have originally come from because most of these family ties did not just happen once they arrived in Bedford. You mentioned the name PATE and the book says the first known person to move there was Benjamin Allen Pate. What I found most interesting was the observation made between the phone books of Breckinridge and Bedford counties and how they look the same, even today. I think it would be very helpful to so many people if you post as much as you can to the Bedford list as you learn more about this interesting subject. Julie Smith (Researching: Bays, Bohn, Bowyer, Carter, Daugherty, Graham, GROSS, Martin, Minor, Rice, Stanley, Tuck in Bedford Co., Va) ======================================= Subj: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration routes Date: 4/28/99 11:57:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: e3p6n5nb@coastalnet.com (Edward Smith) Reply-to: e3p6n5nb@coastalnet.com To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com In response to John Haynes message: In regards to question 3 in the message: The Wilderness Road did not exist until the dates given below, and even then it was just a trail and presented much difficulty for the passage of wagons. >From a work in progress: “The Transylvania Company immediately hired Daniel Boone to explore the country and open a road from the settlements on the Holston River, over the Blue Ridge Mountains, through the Cumberland Gap, down to the plains of Kentucky to Otter Creek, near a bend in the Kentucky River -- 200 wilderness and mountain miles away. Daniel, his brother Squire Boone and Colonel Richard Callaway were among the thirty odd mounted and armed men who left on March 10, 1775 to blaze the trail. This "Wilderness Road" was properly named. For mile after punishing mile, they felled trees, filled sinkholes, and cut brush and vines as thick as a man's thigh. There were no real difficulties met by the trailblazers until they were about 15 miles from their destination. A surprise attack by Indians under the cover of darkness, resulted in men wounded and killed. Three days after the attack, hunters came upon a young boy, Samuel Tate's son, who told how his camp, at some distant from Boone's, had also been fired into. The little group had foolishly lighted a fire without posting guards and was busy with the usual nightly task of drying moccasins when the Indians shot into them. Two were killed. The rest scattered barefoot through the woods, but the moonlit night and a late fall of April snow made it easy for the Indians to track them down. Samuel Tate himself escaped only by running down an icy stream, still called Tate's Creek in memory of the episode. On the evening of April 1, 1775 the trailblazers reached the site Boone had selected as the capitol for the new colony.” Ed Smith ==================================== Subj: Re: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration Routes - Bedford, VA to KY early 1800s Date: 4/28/99 11:48:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: lbnk@worldnet.att.net (Linda Boorom) To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com John and list, My husband's ancestor Aaron Booram (JR) had arrived at Hamilton Co. (Cinti) OH by Nov. 1801, when he purchased land here. In 1800 he is listed as a tithable in Bedford Co., as well as his father Aaron Booram SR. (Bef. abt. 1790 they are in Loudoun Co. VA). I have often wondered how he traveled from Bedford across the mountains and ended up in OH. I am wondering now if he went across the mountains to what is now Mason Co. WV and the Kanawha River traveled from there via the OHIO River, stopping first to visit his borther John and sister Hannah. I just purchased a book by Edward L. Oldaker titled "The Oldacre/Oldaker Story". Aaron Sr.'s son John had married Tamar Oldaker and a daughter Hannah married Isaac Oldaker (Bedford Co. 1791). Pgs. 39-44 include an article by Mary Week Atkeson titled "The Oldaker Settlement on Eighteen Mile" that was printed in 'The West Virginian Review' March, 1932. The exact date of the settlement is unknown, family history says by 1800, the land being purchased by John Oldaker in 1796. I will briefly summarize the Oldaker's travels to this 'settlement'. "John Oldaker Sr. sent his son William Henry, and his son-in-law, Jacob Henry Harris, with a good team of horses and a wagon to look over the property. There was almost no road down the Kanawha, but they finially managed to get as far as the Pocataligo River, which was so high they could not cross it. So they left the wagon and turned the horses loose, and went on down the Kanawha in a canoe to Eighteen-Mile Creek, and then up to their tract of land." The story goes on to say when the 2 returned for their horses, they could not be found and had to walk home, not reaching 'home' until Christmas. The next season a party returned to 'clear some land and raise a crop' and it wasn't until the 3rd season that the Oldaker families, in-laws, cousins, about 50 altogether, gathered at Franklin Co. with wagons etc. to travel to their new home. According to the book, this land was about 2 miles above where Eighteen Mile Creek flows into the Great Kanawha River at Robertsburg. It doesn't say exactly where they crossed the mountains from Bedford, but there is a description of 'The Kanawha Trace" at www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife_migrations.htm that is of interest. Is there anyone else who left Bedford 1800/01 and ended up in Hamilton Co. OH? Thanks, Linda Boorom ======================================== Subj: RE: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration Routes - Bedford, VA to KY early 1800s Date: 4/28/99 10:42:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: GLMccorm@rmc.com (McCormick, Greg L.) To: JHaynesNC@aol.com ('JHaynesNC@aol.com') I know that my g-g-gf and his wife and family left Bedford County in the Spring of 1852, and crossed the Ohio River at Point Pleasant OH, before continuing on west to the area north of Indianapolis IN; that trip was by team-and-wagon and took 55 days. I, too, have tried to figure out their exact route out of VA. Also, I seem to recall that one this g-g-gm's sisters married a Moorman and lived in that same area of IN. ========================== Subj: Re: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration Routes - Bedford, VA to KY early 1800s Date: 4/28/99 11:02:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: emarsh@SPC.cc.tx.us (Ed Marsh) To: JHaynesNC@aol.com I can add this. In 1760, William Candler of Bedford County (later of Georgia) contracted with Joseph Ray of Augusta County to bring supplies to the soldiers at Dunkards bottom on the New River (present-day Radford, VA). These soldiers were out there in the wilderness to help stave off residual violence after the so-called French and Indian War. Greenbrier County, VA (later West Virginia) was just being settled in the 1770's -- mostly by people coming down the "Great Wagon Road" from PA. But what of the people who did travel west to these territories rather than coming down from PA? The James River penetrates the Blue Ridge and flows back southwest towards present-day Blacksburg Virginia, and there is a gap through the mountains near present-day Salem which allows access to the Catawba valley. So, people traveling west through the Peaks of Otter and those crossing through more to the south at Salem would end up traveling down the valley then up and over the mountain near Blacksburg. From there they would follow the streams that drained into the New River, cross the New near Radford (either Ingles Ferry or Peppers Ferry), and pick up the "Wilderness Road" which interstate 81 follows roughly today. More if anyone needs it. =========================== Subj: Re: Migration Routes Date: 4/26/99 4:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: gsdownr@geocities.com (Patrick Hays) To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com My mother is interested in studying migration routes, and I am starting to do the same. One of our ancestors, Christopher Howard married Elizabeth Reeder in 1811 in Bedford Co., VA. In a deed (will? I can't remember right now), there is a statement made about a bank account in Lynchburg, VA. At any rate Christopher Howard and his family moved from Bedford Co., VA to Breckinridge and Meade Cos., KY. I can not connect them to anybody yet, but if there is a common migration path there may be some keys to who they are. Chrsitopher and Elizabeth Howard were the parents of: William Irvin, Robert White, Elizabeth, Jane Ellen, James Hilary, Sarah, Martha, Harriet, Thomas H., George Edward, John Richard and DeGrafton R. Howard. Most of these moved on to Arkansas or Missouri except James H. who died in 1856 in Hancock Co., and John >Richard< who died in 1903 in Hancock Co. Sorry, but I have absolutely no information about any other Howards at all. Patrick Hays =========================== Subj: MIGRATION ROUTES TO KY Date: 4/27/99 4:22:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: donna.chernick@cwixmail.com (Donna Chernick) To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com Re migration routes to KY Some of my lines also came out of West VA, and VA also. About 1780 they migrated in groups led by William (Indian Bill) Hardin to Jefferson and Nelson Co.'s, KY, and settled in the areas now known as Breckenridge, Hardin and Nelson Co.'s. Their migration route was the Monongahela River to the Ohio, and down the Ohio to The Falls (Jefferson Co. stopping point), then inland. This was a common route of travel in those early days. Donna LINES: BUSH, RADLEY, SEARS - Hardin & Nelson Co., KY late 1700's.

I am researching some Lavenders and Allens who left Bedford Co. 1800-1805 and went to TN. I think they must have gone through KY first because they are in Sumner Co. TN( next to KY0 for a while before going down to Williamson and Bedford TN. T Rimer

John and list, My husband's ancestor Aaron Booram (JR) had arrived at Hamilton Co. (Cinti) OH by Nov. 1801, when he purchased land here. In 1800 he is listed as a tithable in Bedford Co., as well as his father Aaron Booram SR. (Bef. abt. 1790 they are in Loudoun Co. VA). I have often wondered how he traveled from Bedford across the mountains and ended up in OH. I am wondering now if he went across the mountains to what is now Mason Co. WV and the Kanawha River traveled from there via the OHIO River, stopping first to visit his borther John and sister Hannah. I just purchased a book by Edward L. Oldaker titled "The Oldacre/Oldaker Story". Aaron Sr.'s son John had married Tamar Oldaker and a daughter Hannah married Isaac Oldaker (Bedford Co. 1791). Pgs. 39-44 include an article by Mary Week Atkeson titled "The Oldaker Settlement on Eighteen Mile" that was printed in 'The West Virginian Review' March, 1932. The exact date of the settlement is unknown, family history says by 1800, the land being purchased by John Oldaker in 1796. I will briefly summarize the Oldaker's travels to this 'settlement'. "John Oldaker Sr. sent his son William Henry, and his son-in-law, Jacob Henry Harris, with a good team of horses and a wagon to look over the property. There was almost no road down the Kanawha, but they finially managed to get as far as the Pocataligo River, which was so high they could not cross it. So they left the wagon and turned the horses loose, and went on down the Kanawha in a canoe to Eighteen-Mile Creek, and then up to their tract of land." The story goes on to say when the 2 returned for their horses, they could not be found and had to walk home, not reaching 'home' until Christmas. The next season a party returned to 'clear some land and raise a crop' and it wasn't until the 3rd season that the Oldaker families, in-laws, cousins, about 50 altogether, gathered at Franklin Co. with wagons etc. to travel to their new home. According to the book, this land was about 2 miles above where Eighteen Mile Creek flows into the Great Kanawha River at Robertsburg. It doesn't say exactly where they crossed the mountains from Bedford, but there is a description of 'The Kanawha Trace" at www.cob-net.org/docs/brethrenlife_migrations.htm that is of interest. Is there anyone else who left Bedford 1800/01 and ended up in Hamilton Co. OH? Thanks, Linda Boorom JHaynesNC@aol.com wrote: > > Who out there has the information we need on these migration routes? > > 1. Who knows how they got from Bedford Co. across the Smokies (Cumberland > Gap?) > 2. If they travelled by the Ohio, how did they get to it? Forbe's Road to > Fort Duquesne (Pittsburgh)? > 3. If by land, on the WIlderness Road? Where were the way-stations? > 4. Why did they all end up along the Ohio if they came by land? (My HAYNES > who left Bedford County, VA all ended up in Meade/Breckinridge Counties, on > the Ohio, or in Ohio/Daviess/Hardin Counties, again along the river.) > 5. Who is interested in swapping arrival/departure times to see who might > have travelled together? I find PATE, MOORMAN, ELLIS and other names > following HAYNES from VA to KY. > > John Haynes > John@Haynes.Net

In response to John Haynes message: In regards to question 3 in the message: The Wilderness Road did not exist until the dates given below, and even then it was just a trail and presented much difficulty for the passage of wagons. >From a work in progress: “The Transylvania Company immediately hired Daniel Boone to explore the country and open a road from the settlements on the Holston River, over the Blue Ridge Mountains, through the Cumberland Gap, down to the plains of Kentucky to Otter Creek, near a bend in the Kentucky River -- 200 wilderness and mountain miles away. Daniel, his brother Squire Boone and Colonel Richard Callaway were among the thirty odd mounted and armed men who left on March 10, 1775 to blaze the trail. This "Wilderness Road" was properly named. For mile after punishing mile, they felled trees, filled sinkholes, and cut brush and vines as thick as a man's thigh. There were no real difficulties met by the trailblazers until they were about 15 miles from their destination. A surprise attack by Indians under the cover of darkness, resulted in men wounded and killed. Three days after the attack, hunters came upon a young boy, Samuel Tate's son, who told how his camp, at some distant from Boone's, had also been fired into. The little group had foolishly lighted a fire without posting guards and was busy with the usual nightly task of drying moccasins when the Indians shot into them. Two were killed. The rest scattered barefoot through the woods, but the moonlit night and a late fall of April snow made it easy for the Indians to track them down. Samuel Tate himself escaped only by running down an icy stream, still called Tate's Creek in memory of the episode. On the evening of April 1, 1775 the trailblazers reached the site Boone had selected as the capitol for the new colony.” Ed Smith

Try getting the book WILDERNESS ROAD by Robert Kincaid. It's fascinating for someone who had folks who traveled it. Covers the Road from it being a buffalo trail until well after the Civil War. Kay ---------- > From: JHaynesNC@aol.com > To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VABEDFOR-L] Migration Routes - Bedford, VA to KY early 1800s > Date: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 7:30 AM > > Who out there has the information we need on these migration routes? > > 1. Who knows how they got from Bedford Co. across the Smokies (Cumberland > Gap?) > 2. If they travelled by the Ohio, how did they get to it? Forbe's Road to > Fort Duquesne (Pittsburgh)? > 3. If by land, on the WIlderness Road? Where were the way-stations? > 4. Why did they all end up along the Ohio if they came by land? (My HAYNES > who left Bedford County, VA all ended up in Meade/Breckinridge Counties, on > the Ohio, or in Ohio/Daviess/Hardin Counties, again along the river.) > 5. Who is interested in swapping arrival/departure times to see who might > have travelled together? I find PATE, MOORMAN, ELLIS and other names > following HAYNES from VA to KY. > > John Haynes > John@Haynes.Net > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: Re: Migration Routes > Date: 4/26/99 4:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: gsdownr@geocities.com (Patrick Hays) > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > My mother is interested in studying migration routes, and I am starting to > do the same. One of our ancestors, Christopher Howard married Elizabeth > Reeder in 1811 in Bedford Co., VA. In a deed (will? I can't remember right > now), there is a statement made about a bank account in Lynchburg, VA. At > any rate Christopher Howard and his family moved from Bedford Co., VA to > Breckinridge and Meade Cos., KY. I can not connect them to anybody yet, but > if there is a common migration path there may be some keys to who they are. > Chrsitopher and Elizabeth Howard were the parents of: William Irvin, Robert > White, Elizabeth, Jane Ellen, James Hilary, Sarah, Martha, Harriet, Thomas > H., George Edward, John Richard and DeGrafton R. Howard. Most of these > moved on to Arkansas or Missouri except James H. who died in 1856 in Hancock > Co., and John >Richard< who died in 1903 in Hancock Co. Sorry, but I have > absolutely no information about any other Howards at all. > > Patrick Hays > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JHaynesNC@aol.com> > To: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 2:40 PM > Subject: Migration Routes > > > > Hi Isabelle! > > > > My HAYNES also came from VA--->KY in early 1800s. My folk were from > Bedford > > County. I have no links that I know of to your line, BUT would love to > know > > how folks travelled from VA in general. I'm vaguely aware that they could > use > > the Ohio River and go around the top of the state, or come overland. > > > > Do you have any sources for migration routes for our VA folks? Ooops! I do > > have a Thomas H. Board, who m. Fanny Mae Haynes in 1862 in KY. One of > yours? > > > > John Haynes > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Searching HAYNES (VA, TN, KY,MS,TX), O'DONNELL (MA,IRL), BROWN (DC, NY), > > DALY/DALEY (MA/IRL), RUBBERT (NY,GER), SANDIGLIANO (ITALY), SCOTT(VA), > > HENDERSON (NY,DC), PANKEY (VA), VAN BUREN (NY, TX) WADE (VA), WELLS (NY, > TX) > > > > My Haynes Web site is at <A > > > HREF="http://members.aol.com/jhaynesnc/index.htm">http://members.aol.com/jha > yn > > esnc/index.htm > > > > ========Original Message======== > > > > Subj: Breckinridge and Meade Counties > > Date: 4/24/99 2:14:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time > > From: board-obert@erols.com (Isabelle Board Obert) > > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > > > I am researching the Board, Shrewsbury, and Coleman families. The > > Boards and Shrewsburys migrated from Virginia into Breckinridge County > > in the early 1800s. The progenitor of the Board line, John Board, was > > born in 1706. > > See http://www.bcpss.com/Board > > > > Isabelle Boarad Obert > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > > Return-Path: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) > by > > air-yd03.mx.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:14:47 -0400 > > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) > > by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > > with ESMTP id CAA24944; > > Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:14:40 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13804; > > Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) > > Message-ID: <3721489E.5E7@erols.com> > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:29:21 -0400 > > From: Isabelle Board Obert <board-obert@erols.com> > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Old-To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Breckinridge and Meade Counties > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Resent-Message-ID: <xDJMiB.A.fXD.qCWI3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1306 > > X-Loop: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by > air-yb05.mx.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:06:21 -0400 > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) > by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id EAA15091; > Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:06:15 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15259; > Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:04:27 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:04:27 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <005a01be8fbb$3e3b90e0$68b9dfcf@ix.netcom.com> > From: "Patrick Hays" <gsdownr@geocities.com> > Old-To: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> > References: <deccad9e.2454e5e2@aol.com> > Subject: Re: Migration Routes > Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:03:06 -0700 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > Resent-Message-ID: <bfz84B.A.QuD.L4BJ3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1316 > X-Loop: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== VABEDFOR Mailing List ==== > Remember to ALWAYS post messages to VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com > even if you're subcribed in digest mode. > ALWAYS use an appropriate Subject: line (NOT starting with Re: )

John, I'm sure there are many families from Bedford that traveled the routes you were describing and there just has to be many family historians out there (probably novices, like myself) that are not aware of it yet. I recently "discovered" a small section of the Bedford Gross family who went on to Breckinridge County, Kentucky. There's a great book, "Payne and Associated Families of Breckinridge Co., Ky" by Norman L. Payne which includes Bedford and Franklin Counties and many families that traveled on to Kentucky. No actual routes of migration travelled as far as I can tell right now, but I can give you approximate dates as to when they show up there. Abraham Gross shows up on a deed in March of 1817 in Breckinridge. It looks as if he took some of the family with him but for those who stayed behind, I can now see and understand the family connections, knowing all of this. It's also helping me with leads as to where they may have originally come from because most of these family ties did not just happen once they arrived in Bedford. You mentioned the name PATE and the book says the first known person to move there was Benjamin Allen Pate. What I found most interesting was the observation made between the phone books of Breckinridge and Bedford counties and how they look the same, even today. I think it would be very helpful to so many people if you post as much as you can to the Bedford list as you learn more about this interesting subject. Julie Smith (Researching: Bays, Bohn, Bowyer, Carter, Daugherty, Graham, GROSS, Martin, Minor, Rice, Stanley, Tuck in Bedford Co., Va)

Who out there has the information we need on these migration routes? 1. Who knows how they got from Bedford Co. across the Smokies (Cumberland Gap?) 2. If they travelled by the Ohio, how did they get to it? Forbe's Road to Fort Duquesne (Pittsburgh)? 3. If by land, on the WIlderness Road? Where were the way-stations? 4. Why did they all end up along the Ohio if they came by land? (My HAYNES who left Bedford County, VA all ended up in Meade/Breckinridge Counties, on the Ohio, or in Ohio/Daviess/Hardin Counties, again along the river.) 5. Who is interested in swapping arrival/departure times to see who might have travelled together? I find PATE, MOORMAN, ELLIS and other names following HAYNES from VA to KY. John Haynes John@Haynes.Net ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: Migration Routes Date: 4/26/99 4:06:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: gsdownr@geocities.com (Patrick Hays) To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com My mother is interested in studying migration routes, and I am starting to do the same. One of our ancestors, Christopher Howard married Elizabeth Reeder in 1811 in Bedford Co., VA. In a deed (will? I can't remember right now), there is a statement made about a bank account in Lynchburg, VA. At any rate Christopher Howard and his family moved from Bedford Co., VA to Breckinridge and Meade Cos., KY. I can not connect them to anybody yet, but if there is a common migration path there may be some keys to who they are. Chrsitopher and Elizabeth Howard were the parents of: William Irvin, Robert White, Elizabeth, Jane Ellen, James Hilary, Sarah, Martha, Harriet, Thomas H., George Edward, John Richard and DeGrafton R. Howard. Most of these moved on to Arkansas or Missouri except James H. who died in 1856 in Hancock Co., and John >Richard< who died in 1903 in Hancock Co. Sorry, but I have absolutely no information about any other Howards at all. Patrick Hays ----- Original Message ----- From: <JHaynesNC@aol.com> To: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 2:40 PM Subject: Migration Routes > Hi Isabelle! > > My HAYNES also came from VA--->KY in early 1800s. My folk were from Bedford > County. I have no links that I know of to your line, BUT would love to know > how folks travelled from VA in general. I'm vaguely aware that they could use > the Ohio River and go around the top of the state, or come overland. > > Do you have any sources for migration routes for our VA folks? Ooops! I do > have a Thomas H. Board, who m. Fanny Mae Haynes in 1862 in KY. One of yours? > > John Haynes > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Searching HAYNES (VA, TN, KY,MS,TX), O'DONNELL (MA,IRL), BROWN (DC, NY), > DALY/DALEY (MA/IRL), RUBBERT (NY,GER), SANDIGLIANO (ITALY), SCOTT(VA), > HENDERSON (NY,DC), PANKEY (VA), VAN BUREN (NY, TX) WADE (VA), WELLS (NY, TX) > > My Haynes Web site is at <A > HREF="http://members.aol.com/jhaynesnc/index.htm">http://members.aol.com/jha yn > esnc/index.htm > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: Breckinridge and Meade Counties > Date: 4/24/99 2:14:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time > From: board-obert@erols.com (Isabelle Board Obert) > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > > I am researching the Board, Shrewsbury, and Coleman families. The > Boards and Shrewsburys migrated from Virginia into Breckinridge County > in the early 1800s. The progenitor of the Board line, John Board, was > born in 1706. > See http://www.bcpss.com/Board > > Isabelle Boarad Obert > > > > > ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- > Return-Path: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (rly-yd01.mail.aol.com [172.18.150.1]) by > air-yd03.mx.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:14:47 -0400 > Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) > by rly-yd01.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id CAA24944; > Sat, 24 Apr 1999 02:14:40 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA13804; > Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 23:11:55 -0700 (PDT) > Message-ID: <3721489E.5E7@erols.com> > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 00:29:21 -0400 > From: Isabelle Board Obert <board-obert@erols.com> > X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01-C-MACOS8 (Macintosh; I; PPC) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Old-To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Breckinridge and Meade Counties > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Resent-Message-ID: <xDJMiB.A.fXD.qCWI3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> > To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1306 > X-Loop: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ______________________________ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (rly-yb03.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.3]) by air-yb05.mx.aol.com (v59.4) with SMTP; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:06:21 -0400 Received: from bl-11.rootsweb.com (bl-11.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.27]) by rly-yb03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id EAA15091; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 04:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-11.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA15259; Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005a01be8fbb$3e3b90e0$68b9dfcf@ix.netcom.com> From: "Patrick Hays" <gsdownr@geocities.com> Old-To: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> References: <deccad9e.2454e5e2@aol.com> Subject: Re: Migration Routes Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 01:03:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Resent-Message-ID: <bfz84B.A.QuD.L4BJ3@bl-11.rootsweb.com> To: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1316 X-Loop: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WEST-CENTRAL-KY-L-request@rootsweb.com

Does anyone have a listing of the cemeteries in Bedford County? I am trying to locate some Overstreet and Dunman relatives. Any help is greatly appreciated. Lynda Murphy

Hi, folks. Can anyone tell me if an old house, originally called "Otter View" and later called "Elkton", still stands? The house was built in the 1830s by Dr. Hector HARRIS and he and his wife, Catherine Adams ALEXANDER, raised their family there (kids born in the 1830s and 1840s). This HARRIS family attended St. Stephen's Episcopal in Forest (Forest Depot); a railroad bridge was visible from the house in the 1850s. Neighboring families at the time included SLAUGHTER, PATTON, POINDEXTER, WARREN, READ, and HUTTER. Much, much later, after it left Harris family hands, it was renamed "Elkton". It may have been called something else before Elkton. The house was wooden, and in the 1940s it was painted white. I believe one of the later owners raised Black Angus cattle there. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. - Jenny D. Graham

----- Original Message ----- From: Marian <eepedersen@email.msn.com> To: <VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 1999 9:51 AM Subject: [VABEDFOR-L] Re: HOGAN Family History > Hi, Betty, > > I have this information: > Charles HOGAN married 23 Dec 1847 to Mary J. COOPER. > (I don't know this connection yet) > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---------------- > Charles HOGAN born abt. 1793 Place: Pittsylvania, VA > (c 1795 Bedford Co., VA per Steven Harris) ((I am not sure about this > information: c 1795 Bedford Co., VA . signed mfp)) > Died: Abt. 16 Feb 1857 place: Pittsylvania Co., VA. > Married: 14 Dec. 1818 place: Bedford Co., Virginia. > Parents: Obadiah (Obediah) HOGAN and Margette (Marget) (Peggy) (Margaret) > MITCHELL . > > and > > Mourning (Mona) HOGAN > born: abt 1800 place: Pittsylvania Co., VA (another source: 1780 in > Virginia. --c.1800) > > Father: ???????? HOGAN > Mother: Mary (Mrs.) HOGAN b. 1778 place: Pittsylvania Co., VA c 1800. > > Children: > #1. Obediah Davis HOGAN > born: 4 Nov 1818 place: Leesville, Campbell Co.,Virginia > (Steven Harris has birth as 4 Nov 1819) > died: 11 Aug 1896 place: Pittsville, Pittsylvania, Virginia > buried: 15 Aug 1896 place Pittsville, Pittsylvania, Virginia > Spouse: Malinda Eperson SCOTT > Married: 6 Dec 1842 place: Bedford County, Virginia > (in marriage records for Alexandria, Virginia & Washington,D.C.) > > #2 Charles M. HOGAN > born: Abt 1822 place: Leesville, Campbell Co. Virginia > > #3 James E. HOGAN > born: Abt 1826, place: Leesville, Campbell Co., Virginia > spouse: Lucy HAYNES > Married: 2 Dec 1816, place:Alexandria, Virginia & WashingtonDC > > #4 Ann J. HOGAN > born: abt 1828, place: Leesville, Campbell Co., Virginia > spouse: ????? HOGAN > > #5 Elizabeth HOGAN (Could this be Ella Elizabeth????) > born: Abt 1830, place: Leesville, Campbell County, Virginia. > spouse: ???(Could this be DAMEWOOD?????) > > #6 Mary F. HOGAN > born: Abt 1834, place: Leesville, Campbell County, Virginia. > > #7 Henry L. HOGAN > born: Abt 1835, place: Bedford, VA > > #8. William (Wm) H. HOGAN > born: Abt 1836, place: Leesville, Campbell County, Virginia > > #9. Thomas J. HOGAN > born: Abt 1839, place: Leesville, Campbell County, Virginia > spouse: Lucy B. DOVE > Married: 15 Nov 1865, place: Pitts Co., Virginia > > #10. Mary H. HOGAN > born: 1837, place: Bedford Co., Virginia > (this is out of place) > > Notes: > Child 1 Obediah Davis Hogan > Marriage Bonds, Surnames beginning with S. > Dec 6, 1842: Obediah Hogan & Malinda Scott, dt Lizy (Lucy), Joshua Scott, > Surety. > > My direct line is from Obediah Davis HOGAN and Malinda Eperson SCOTT. > I would love to find out more about the Hogans and Mitchell lines > Do you have any more? > > Hope this helps a little. I am looking forward to working with you on this > line. I am a subscriber to Ancestry.com. I will have to start looking in > that. I also have some CDs I purchased from the Family History Resource. > Vital Records Index, North America > Vital Records Index, British Isles > 1851 British Census. > > I haven't taken the time yet to look anything up. Will do so soon. > and I will forward what I have on to you. > > Thanks for emailing me...Marian > eepedersen@msn.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Betty Bartlett <bettybartlett@yahoo.com> > To: EEPedersen@email.msn.com <EEPedersen@email.msn.com> > Date: Saturday, April 03, 1999 5:40 PM > Subject: HOGAN Family History > > > >Marian, > >I am working on the Charles Hogan family from Campbell > >Co. VA. My maternal grandmother was Ella Elizabeth > >HOGAN DAMEWOOD. Marriage records in Campbell Co. VA > >Dec. 14, 1818, has Charles HOGAN m. Mourning HOGAN, > >dt. of Mary. > >I'm looking forward to working with you on this line. > >Betty Bartlett > >3113 Occidental #1 > >Sacramento CA > >95826 > >bettybartlett@yahoo.com > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > ______________________________

Donna - Here is some info. on Henry Brown: 1757 Henry Brown, Jr. (1716 - Nov. 1798) and wife Alice Beard Born Sept. 9, 1716 in New Jersey (or possibly 1712?) Bought land in Bedford Co. - 1756 (Freddy B.) m. Alice Beard Feb. 20, 1757 Henry, Jr. had a plantation in Bedford Co. on Lick Creek called Ivy Hill or Ivy Cliff. Children (listed in Deed Book 4, page 455, ca. 1772): Lettice b. 12-3-1757 "eldest daughter" - Bought Land - 1779. Henry b. 10 Aug. 1760 in Bedford County. Elizabeth b. 20 July 1762, m. John Walker 29 Dec. 1794. Alce b. 9 Sept. 1764 m. Jesse Witt 6 May 1786 Samuel b. 10 Nov. 1766, married Mary Moore, died 15 Oct. 1818 Rockbridge Co. Daniel b. 18 Dec. 1770, married Mary Hancock, died 23 Apr. 1817. Also: Hannah, Ann, Mary, Sarah. Deed Book A-1, p. 320: bought 180 acres, Jan. 1, 1761 --- N. side of Otter River inc. Gladys Brook and Lick Run Book B-2 - witness, 1-25-1763 Book C-3 - bought 100 acres 11-11-1766 - head of S. Br. Molly's Creek - witness 6-27-1769 - bought 190 acres 10-24-1769 - both sides of Lick Run Others: Sold 100 acres 10-28-1776 "Henry Brown of Pittsylvania Co." 1787 - listed in bedford Co. tax list. Will dated 9 Jan. 1796, rec. 24 Jun. 1799; names sons Henry, Daniel, Samuel, 6 daughters. - Tracy J. Brown > ---------- > From: Ktrygal1@aol.com[SMTP:Ktrygal1@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 4:02 PM > To: VABEDFOR-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [VABEDFOR-L] Henry Brown, Sr. > > Henry Brown , Sr. b. abt. 1712 in N.J. died 11/14/1798 in Bedford Co.,Va. > he married Alice Beard on 2/20/1757 in Bedford co.,Va. > They had a son William Daniel Brown, Sr. b. 12/181/1770 in Bedford Co.,Va. > or > William Brown or Daniel Brown. > Does anyone have info on this William Daniel Brown. > I have William, Daniel and William Daniel Brown in my database and trying > to > straighten them out, who belongs to who??? > ANY help would be appreciated. > Thank YOU, > Donna Brown Wilkes > > ______________________________ >

For anyone that does not have family roots in Campbell County, VA please excuse the intrusion to the mailing list. The members of the Campbell County, VA. Historical Society is presently trying to catalog all the cemeteries in the area. There have already been several volumes completed in the following formats, Church Cemeteries, Family Cemeteries, and Public Cemeteries. Currently one of the members, Revely Carwile Jr., working on what is known as THE DIXON FAMILY CEMETERY, located on Plum Branch Rd. in Concord, VA. This cemetery has many graves, some of them with markers, others with only field stones. Some of the markers only contain initials, not full names. We would like anyone that has any record that they have a family member buried in this cemetery to please contact us with the information you have, at the following: Campbell County Historical Society P.O. Box 560 Rustburg, VA 24588 Att. Reverly Carwile, Jr. The cemetery is also in need of a major clean up. Anyone wishing to help physically or even financially with this task please contact Mr. Carwile at the same address. Thank-you in advance for your cooperation in this matter. Barbara Keys BKeys26433@aol.com

Good luck, I have done some cleanups in Allegehny Co.MD, and have met alot of wonderful people. It is a great way to meet other listers. I wish I could be there. But I am overseas right now. Jeri

I am looking for decendents of Rev. Charles Clay and Editha Landon Davies of Petty Grove Plantation in Forest (now Ivy Hill), only 2 of their sons had children, those were Gen. Odin Green Clay and Paul A. Clay. Odin married Anne C.E. Davies, and Paul married Mary L. Watkins. Please contact me with any information. Thanks, Gynger Cook

I am looking for the cemetery of Nicholas Davies died, 1794, would like to hear from anyone that has any ideas on this. I have found the Davies cemetery across the river in Amherst Co., but I feel there is another one in Bedford Co. Could he have been buried at Pebbleton or was that for the Meriwethers? Any ideas where Henry L. Davies (the first) is buried and his wives and mother? Would love to hear any theories! There is supposed to be a rock wall around the cemetery and only one readable stone of a Davies girl. Thanks, Gynger Cook

Hi Cousins and friends, I¹m researching Wm. FREEMAN m. 26 Oct1798 Sally Parker; Bedford, VA. I¹ve been scratching and digging and trying to turning over every rock in my stonewall and want to share my thoughts with you. And get some feed back. I may be way off base and would like to know that. I have lots of question and looking for answers. Not all is in hard fact, a little guess work too, just thoughts of what may be? Here¹s things I¹ve found and notes ((- My Notes)) I¹ve included, your help would be appreciated, we may be helping each other, who knows. The Will of Benjamin White, 15 Jan1811, prob, 21 Sept 1818 (Pittsylvaina Deeds & Will Bk. 11, pp 495-496) wife: Rebecca White. In Benjamin White¹s Will he names children of Rebecca White as follows: Thomas Zachery Sally Parker wife of John Parker Rachel Bennett wife of Wm. Bennett(dec¹d) Molly Pierce wife of John Pierce Elizabeth Kizzee wife of Kizzee(Keesee (corrected sp)) others mentioned in his Will are: John Pierce son of John Pierce Zadock Pierce George Adams -Are the Sally Parker and John Parker mentioned in this Will the same Parker family to our Sally Parker who married William FREEMAN? Could her maiden name have been Sarah Zachery? -Could have this Sally Parker and John Parker have had a child named Sarah Parker that married our Wm. FREEMAN (1798)? In the VA Marriage Index, 1740-1850; I found the following marriages: Benjamin White to Rebecca Zachary 27 March 1807; Pittsylvania -they were married only 4 yrs. Before he died. - Rebecca must have been married before to a man named Zachary to have all these children? William Dalton to Rachel Bennett 15 September 1806; Pittsylvaina - We know that Rachel was a widow by Benj. Will of 1811, this may have been her new hubby? David Parker to Fankey Parker 15 April 1805; Pittsylvaina -We know that Sarah Parker had a brother named David Parker, he was her surety on her Marriage Bonds to William FREEMAN (1798), could this be Sarah¹s bro? Many questions - no answers - yet. Bobbi

Queries posted this past week to this VAGenWeb site mentioned the following surnames: ANGEL, BROWN, BURNETT, EVERETT, GAULDEN, KEEN, KEENE, LEWELLIN, LOWRY, McCLAIN, McCLEAN, McLAINE, McLANE, PERROW, PULLEN, ROSS, St.CLAIR, TAYLOR, TYLER, WADE, WILKES, WILLIAMS For those of you wanting to read these new queries, they are located at URL: <a href="http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/bedf-qry.htm"> http://people.delphi.com/fspradlin/bedf-qry.htm </a> Regards, Freddie S. FSpradlin@delphi.com 3448 W. 170th St., Torrance, CA 90504-2402

Anyone interested in helping cleanup and restore the Old Markham Cemeteries on Jennings Creek, in Botetourt County, please contact me at my E-Mail address. Both Darryl Winger and Myself are heading up this effort. We plan to do this work the second week in July of this year. Tommy Markham

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Hi Cuzins, Are you planning a trip to Bedford, Virginia and planning on staying in the area? If you are then PLEASE email me. There are two places on the "Bedford, Virginia Genealogical Society" web site at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Lane/9681/ that are recommended motels to stay at, and they are still recommended BUT there are things about each you need to know about each before you make a reservation. If you have any questions or need help before you come to this wonderful place, please don't hesitate to ask. Cuzin Waddie http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/3348/