In a message dated 5/8/2004 9:23:01 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks Norma, Now to try and prove this is my John Keener. I had the wife as Mary Harris but no dates or locations. And to JOHN, I haven't heard of that book. Does it include an Ulrich Keener/Keiner/various spellings? If it does we may have the right family. You are right about one thing, the Keener's named all their children from the same list of names almost. One of the original immigrants Ulrich Keener did settle in Lancaster County, PA. before moving to Virginia. The other Adam Keener stayed in the Lancaster and York areas of PA I appreciate the information from both of you. Lynda Lynda, maybe Mary Harris was an ealier marriage or a later one Norma