Here's what I have gathered on these lines. My line traces through Henry Miller, born 1821.05.01 (reference questionable), died 1889.11.08, Brownsburg, VA at age 68, killed by Dr Z J Walker in the Brownsburg Courthouse shootout. Dr Walker had accused him of flirting with his (Walker's) wife (Henry being 68 years old at the time). Henry had married Elizabeth Bosserman (note the last name, Rilla220@aol.com -- these names intertwine a lot), and they had some ten children. Elizabeth was the daughter of Catharine Brubeck and George Bosserman. The Brubeck line traces back to Switzerland in the late 1500s. Back to the Millers, I too run out of leads at Joseph. By a questionable source, he was born 1790.12.07 and died 1856.05.11. By Ken Dice at the genserv database, Sarah was born 1791.01.05, Augusta Co, VA. Per Ken Dice, Henry Hawpe was born 1758.03.11, PA and died 1835.12.21, Augusta Co, VA.. Elizabeth Teaford was born 1763.03.11 and died 1847.04.07 (per same reference). Their children included: - Jane (B:1800.01.25; D:1858.11.06, Fountain Co, IN; W:George Dice, 1820.02.17, Augusta Co, VA) - Elizabeth (B:1792.12.01, Augusta Co, VA; D:1845.06.19, Fountain Co, IN; W: John Dice, 1818.09.08, Augusta Co, VA) - Sarah (B:1791.01.05, Augusta Co, VA; W: Joseph Miller, 1813.11.13, Augusta Co, VA) - Catherine (B:1797.08.01, Augusta Co, VA; D:1844.06.26, Augusta Co, VA; W: Thomas M Doak, 1829.06.09; W: Alexander Brownlee, 1829.01.19) - Henry H (B:1803.05.28, Augusta Co, VA; D:1859.03.20; W: Elizabeth L Doak, 1828.02.07; W: Sally N Mitchell, 1847.11.30, Augusta Co, VA) - John Teaford Hawpe (B:1806.05.24, Augusta Co, VA; D:1855.04.10, Augsta Co, VA; W: Mary S Newton, 1832.12.11, Augsta Co, VA; W: Eliza Lightner, 1840.11.10) Jacob Diufford/Teaford died ca1800. I have Christina as his wife, though this is probably just a different anglicization of her original name.Again, per Ken Dice's information, they wed before 1763 and had six children: - Elizabeth Teaford (B:1763.03.11; D:1847.04.07; W: Henry Hawpe, 1790.03.08) - George Teaford (B:1778; W: Mary Spotts, 1801.04.24) - Margaret Teaford (B:1760; W: Peter Koch, 1780.AB) - John Teaford (B:1772; W: Catherniah Runkle, 1793.03.12, Augusta Co, VA) - Jacob Teaford Jr (B:1768.AB; W: Barbara Gabart, 1791.02.22) - Henry Teaford (B:1774.03.08; W: Elizabeth Shoultz, 1796.10.22, Augsta Co, VA) Both Jacob's and Christina's ancestral lines seem to peter out. Rudolph Hawpe was born prior to 1747, Augusta Co, VA (per LDS Ancestral File entry TNBF-17). I have his spouse as a Catherine ??? (per Ken Dice's information). They wed prior to 1758 (if all children were legitimate) and had seven children. - Henry Hawpe - Mary Hawpe - Betsy Hawpe (B:1770; W: Christian Mummer, 1790.04.21) - Susannah Hawpe (B:1774; W: George Coiner, 1794.06.03) - Emanual Hawpe - John Hawpe (B:1771; W: Ponny Neizer, 1791.04.23, Augusta Co, VA) - Adam Hawpe (B:1774; D:1802, Augusta Co, Va; W: Catherine Coiner, 1794.11.18, Augusta Co, VA) Again, both lines seem to peter out prior to this point. You will need to evaluate the sources for yourself, as I don't have original documents on these lines, but hopefully this will help you with leads. I would be very interested in any other information you are able to find, especially on the Miller line. -- John