In a message dated 4/25/2007 8:28:56 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, john.hogg@sbcglobal.net writes: This occurred after she passed away and the DAR seemed rather unconcerned that we had separated out 3 George Andersons, all revolutionary soldiers, who lived in adjoining counties. All good for DAR service and there were some issues with thos who had joined on a 'combined' record It was a year after I wrote the letter that they replied I still plan to finish the document and give them a copy along with documentation. John Hi, John I, too, am a member of DAR. Because DAR did not respond for a year does not mean that they were unconcerned. I know they would appreciate your document with new documentation. If others have joined DAR on the 'combined" record previously, they will make note and any new members will have to provide more documentation to the correct ancestor. Because they have so few genealogists in proportion to the number of applications and supplementals applications they receive, they file everything according to the date it is received, and also according to whether it is for a 'new' ancestor, proven ancestor, thru a 'new' child, etc. When they get new documentation that DISPROVES an ancestor, they do take it quite seriously. Again, I encourage you to submit this new information to them. They do pride themselves on being accurate and sometimes they don't know something is inaccurate until folks like you let them know. It's like anything else in genealogy...........we do a great service by providing correct information, whether it's for our own personal research or to an organization like DAR. Karen ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Have they been updated with corrections?? I personally would not take them as proof but use them as a tool to prove my lineage. I myself have family from Augusta Co VA. I desc. from Rutledges and Ralstons. I haven't even looked at the books. donnab ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Donna, I purchased the three volumes of Lyman Chalkely on Amazon.com a couple of months ago for $110.00, they were new. Mary Lee > > Since they book is out of print, be grateful that it's on the web > now for some lucky person to find a clue. > > -Donna > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can’t help myself, I just have to add my $.02 worth. We all have to remember that knowing one’s family history for in the most part is a new thing. The average American 30 to 40 years ago had no idea of their family history back passed their grandparents. The average American didn’t care or didn’t have the know how or had the resources available. All we knew was we came here from somewhere else! The rich and famous or those that wanted to rub elbows with the rich and famous always had a honorable and upstanding family history that when back hundreds of years. They had it in print, and didn’t you know “If its in a book it has to be the truth”. Knowing one’s family history back to whenever was more of a social thing to brag about, not to many years ago. There is evidence that some people, for a price, did find, make-up, leave out information or twist the truth to fit their client so they were the great-grandson or great-granddaughter of whoever they wanted and many times the client didn’t even know. I guess they had to keep the client happy. However, most historical compiler do and did the best they can. As I remember the three volume set of Lyman Chalkey “Chronicles” is about 1800 type set pages. I wonder how much time it took the man to compile 1800 pages of information, had to take years. How did the man even keep tract of what he covered and didn’t cover from day to day. Today he would have a staff of compilers? Wonder how much profit he made for years of work? My comment to those that find fault with his work. “If you can do a better job, why don’t you redo it. But remember you cannot make any errors or leave out any related material regardless of the reason or how many thousand or so pages it may take”. Get real. I have compiled several family history books. One had much researched done in Augusta County. Some of that research cost me several hundred dollars with a well known Augusta County researcher of the day. I made the 600 mile one-way trip more then I care to count. Pencil and pad no lap-top. At the time I don’t think they made lap-tops. Well copies was only $.05 each. Please note, I refer to myself as a compiler I’m not an author. A author writes his version of history, a compiler, compiles the facts of that history. Then came the information age driven in most part by the internet. Now, some want to research their family history from their living room. I hate to burst your bubble, “Can’t be done”...... The one thing that makes my blood pressure go up. If I want to see some of the information that I compiled and uploaded to the internet in the beginning I have to pay to see it. Darrell

My Mother was the Registrar of a DAR Chapter in Florida and I did her research on our ancestors. This occurred after she passed away and the DAR seemed rather unconcerned that we had separated out 3 George Andersons, all revolutionary soldiers, who lived in adjoining counties. All good for DAR service and there were some issues with thos who had joined on a 'combined' record It was a year after I wrote the letter that they replied I still plan to finish the document and give them a copy along with documentation. John -----Original Message----- From: vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DKBrandt@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:17 PM To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAAUGUST] Dar records As registar of a chapter of DAR, we try very hard to correct records and make sure that the patriot is proven. It is not an easy job and each generation requires documentation. There are many who have joined previous to numbers 450,000 that are now being reproven. thank you very much donnab ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/25/07 10:17:28 PM, DKBrandt@aol.com writes: > > As registar of a chapter of DAR,   we try  very hard to correct records and > make sure that the patriot is  proven.    It is not an easy job and each > generation requires  documentation.      There are many who have joined  > previous to > numbers 450,000 that are now being reproven.    > thank you very much > donnab > That's good news. -Donna ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

As registar of a chapter of DAR, we try very hard to correct records and make sure that the patriot is proven. It is not an easy job and each generation requires documentation. There are many who have joined previous to numbers 450,000 that are now being reproven. thank you very much donnab ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 4/25/07 7:07:50 PM, herb_316@bellsouth.net writes: > The NSDAR had a study done in 1912 which basically confirmed that the > Chalkey Chronicle "had abstracted only some of the records pertained to persons > and families in which he was interested"... > When I joined DAR, my patriot's data was a mess from the 5 or so previous members who joined under his name. I had to correct it. The right info was in an easily obtained will from the Ohio Co., WV Courthouse and on 2 deeds that clearly stated his wife's name as Anna Elizabeth, not Martha. No document ever gave her name as Martha. My patriot was in the 1830 census and his will was written in 1828. But, DAR said that he died in 1826. Every applicant thereafter had been copying the information from the previous person. DAR's record keeping is nothing to applaud. When on a membership drive, they'll accept just about anything. NSDAR is in no position criticize any genealogical data. Any book will have something left out. I wish all of my ancestors were in every book when they should be. They're not, but when I find out that they are, its thrilling. Someone will find a clue from the Chalkley book and I'm happy for them. I'm sure that those who took so much time to put it out there know that it wasn't going to solve everyone's genealogical riddle, but that it would help someone out in the web. I think this effort says a lot about their kindness. Since they book is out of print, be grateful that it's on the web now for some lucky person to find a clue. -Donna ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

George: Thank you for saying what (I am sure) many of us were thinking. Herb: For those of us who cannot get to Augusta County to view the Minutes, or afford to pay a researcher, at least Chalkey's gives us a starting point and insight. The time and humongous effort of the persons responsible for putting this online is sooooooo very much appreciated. Debi -----Original Message----- From: vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of OLDHIKER50@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:15 PM To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Subject: [VAAUGUST] Herb & other nitpickers I seldom get on a soapbox BUT.... sheesh get a life man. shuddup Herb if you don't want to use Chalkey - Don't A lot of people have gotten good from it and a lot of people worked hard to get it online. Feel free to email me privately if you want to vent but stop messing with a good message board. George Young In a message dated 4/25/2007 4:07:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, herb_316@bellsouth.net writes: If you take the trouble to go to http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/va5_chalkleys.htm you can decide for yourself how valid the Chalkey Chronicles are. There is a whole page write up on the Chalkey Chronicles. If you do as I did call LVA up and discuss what the page is about. The NSDAR had a study done in 1912 which basically confirmed that the Chalkey Chronicle "had abstracted only some of the records pertained to persons and families in which he was interested"... A 24 page report is available which give examples of names left out of records to illustrate the incompleteness and inaccuracies of the Chalkey Chronicles. Most certainly it is a good start for someone not familiar with Augusta County VA records, but the LVA Research Library recommended going to the original Augusta County Court Minutes for the "real" information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Worthen To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: [VAAUGUST] Chalkley and nitpicking As with every history book printed for information 200 + years old, Chalkley's is a great addition to the VAAugusta site. I feel the subscribers should be happy to have the information close at hand so they can sit at their desk at home for a small internet fee, and read an entire book on-line. SHAME on you all for Mis-behaving. Let us keep a positive attitude about all the hard work that our volunteers have places on site. Rena List adm Please varify Receipt of this letter by replying to me doreatr@rbnet.com or doreatr@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 PM

Now that is an accurate statement. When doing one of my moms DAR supplementals I discovered 3 ancestors had joined on the wrong service record. There were 3 rev soldiers of the same name within 2 counties and they simply combined them into one person and joined. My correspondence with the DAR, with documentation took them a year to answer and they seemed uninterested in the corrections. The 3 ladies were eligible but just another guy of the same name. They do not rate high with me right now John -----Original Message----- From: vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:vaaugust-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tmollaun@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:37 PM To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [VAAUGUST] Chalkley and nitpicking DAR's record keeping is nothing to applaud. When on a membership drive, they'll accept just about anything. NSDAR is in no position criticize any genealogical data.

While tracing some of my lines, I have learned to look into the counties of what is now West Virginia and Kentucky. Before either of those states were formed, they were a part of what is now Virginia and I know that what we now know as West Virginia was ALL a part of Augusta County, except the part that is in the "arm" and that was Fredrick County. After West Virginia was being formed, there were two areas of what we now know as West Virginia that were called Augusta County. What I mean is that there were actually three counties called Augusta County. The two areas in West Virginia are now known as Lewis, Gilmer and Harrison Counties and the other is now Pocahontas County. I discovered all of this in a book called "The Making of a State" in our local library. For several years I have been researching a family of McClungs that were first found in Augusta County. Charles McClung born about 1805 married Sarah Gabbart in 1834, Augusta County. Charles, Sarah and her parents can be found in the 1840 census of Harrison County, Virginia (now West Virginia). Besides trying for several years to find the name of Charles' parents, I am also trying to figure out if they actually left Augusta County and came into Harrison County OR was the area in which they lived renamed as the counties were being formed??? I guess what I am trying to say is that don't just search for your ancestors in Augusta County or in one place, but broaden the search area. Anita McClung Fayette County, WV </HTML>

Lyman Chalkey's 3 volume set on Chronicles of the Scot_Irish of Old Augusta Co., Va. is online . Go to _http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I seldom get on a soapbox BUT.... sheesh get a life man. shuddup Herb if you don't want to use Chalkey - Don't A lot of people have gotten good from it and a lot of people worked hard to get it online. Feel free to email me privately if you want to vent but stop messing with a good message board. George Young In a message dated 4/25/2007 4:07:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, herb_316@bellsouth.net writes: If you take the trouble to go to http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/va5_chalkleys.htm you can decide for yourself how valid the Chalkey Chronicles are. There is a whole page write up on the Chalkey Chronicles. If you do as I did call LVA up and discuss what the page is about. The NSDAR had a study done in 1912 which basically confirmed that the Chalkey Chronicle "had abstracted only some of the records pertained to persons and families in which he was interested"... A 24 page report is available which give examples of names left out of records to illustrate the incompleteness and inaccuracies of the Chalkey Chronicles. Most certainly it is a good start for someone not familiar with Augusta County VA records, but the LVA Research Library recommended going to the original Augusta County Court Minutes for the "real" information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Worthen To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: [VAAUGUST] Chalkley and nitpicking As with every history book printed for information 200 + years old, Chalkley's is a great addition to the VAAugusta site. I feel the subscribers should be happy to have the information close at hand so they can sit at their desk at home for a small internet fee, and read an entire book on-line. SHAME on you all for Mis-behaving. Let us keep a positive attitude about all the hard work that our volunteers have places on site. Rena List adm Please varify Receipt of this letter by replying to me doreatr@rbnet.com or doreatr@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

If you take the trouble to go to http://www.lva.lib.va.us/whatwehave/local/va5_chalkleys.htm you can decide for yourself how valid the Chalkey Chronicles are. There is a whole page write up on the Chalkey Chronicles. If you do as I did call LVA up and discuss what the page is about. The NSDAR had a study done in 1912 which basically confirmed that the Chalkey Chronicle "had abstracted only some of the records pertained to persons and families in which he was interested"... A 24 page report is available which give examples of names left out of records to illustrate the incompleteness and inaccuracies of the Chalkey Chronicles. Most certainly it is a good start for someone not familiar with Augusta County VA records, but the LVA Research Library recommended going to the original Augusta County Court Minutes for the "real" information. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Worthen To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: [VAAUGUST] Chalkley and nitpicking As with every history book printed for information 200 + years old, Chalkley's is a great addition to the VAAugusta site. I feel the subscribers should be happy to have the information close at hand so they can sit at their desk at home for a small internet fee, and read an entire book on-line. SHAME on you all for Mis-behaving. Let us keep a positive attitude about all the hard work that our volunteers have places on site. Rena List adm Please varify Receipt of this letter by replying to me doreatr@rbnet.com or doreatr@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Third Sunday in each month will set aside for a "Brick Wall" Roll Call. Please always put the surname you seek in the subject and tell us something about your Brick Wall person. To contact Listowner: Rena Worthen doreatr@rbnet.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to VAAUGUST-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 4/25/07 4:03:00 PM, HMcdon3900@aol.com writes: > I think it is absolutely wonderful that someone had the foresight and the  > willingness to scan all of this information onto a web site so that folks > like  > me can read it.  I have medical problems that prevent me from being able to  > travel unless I have someone with me constantly.  This makes it very  > difficult > for me to do my family research.  Therefore, I am one of the most  > appreciative persons there is to be able to access info by Internet. I also  > very much > appreciate all of the responses to my queries.  Thank you  everyone. > Harold in Florida I'm with you, Harold. I may not put much on the web like our fine volunteers, but I spend a lot of time doing lookups for people w/o Ancestry.com. etc. It's time consuming, but not nearly equal to our web site volunteers. What they do is extraordinary. I just love 'em. They have angel wings - big white fluffy ones. -Donna in Cincinnati ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I think it is absolutely wonderful that someone had the foresight and the willingness to scan all of this information onto a web site so that folks like me can read it. I have medical problems that prevent me from being able to travel unless I have someone with me constantly. This makes it very difficult for me to do my family research. Therefore, I am one of the most appreciative persons there is to be able to access info by Internet. I also very much appreciate all of the responses to my queries. Thank you everyone. OK. I'm off my soapbox. Next? Harold in Florida ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I am sure I missed this but Chalkey's is online at _http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

As with every history book printed for information 200 + years old, Chalkley's is a great addition to the VAAugusta site. I feel the subscribers should be happy to have the information close at hand so they can sit at their desk at home for a small internet fee, and read an entire book on-line. SHAME on you all for Mis-behaving. Let us keep a positive attitude about all the hard work that our volunteers have places on site. Rena List adm Please varify Receipt of this letter by replying to me doreatr@rbnet.com or doreatr@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Harold, Check Rockbridge County, Virginia for your WILSON family. In my research, I've run across many WILSON families there. Augusta County adjoins Rockbridge County on Rockbridge's North border. I'm researching the GILMORE families of Rockbridge County. One of the GILMORE females married a WILSON. Here is the info I have on the WILSON family. Emma Bell GILMORE, daughter of Andrew Jackson GILMORE and Mary Ann GILBERT, married James William WILSON (born October 7, 1855 in Rockbridge Co, VA) on August 23, 1882 in Rockbridge Co, VA. He was the son of James A. WILSON and Amanda Jane WRIGHT. On June 1, 1900 Emma Bell GILMORE and James William WILSON appeared in the Census in the Natural Bridge District of Rockbridge County, Virginia. They were living next door to Thomas WILSON (born August 1862) and his wife Robbie W. WILSON (born February 1860). Perhaps Thomas and James Wilson were brothers? children of Emma Bell GILMORE and James William WILSON: 1. Pearl E. WILSON 2. William "Frank" WILSON 3. Ray WILSON 4. Mabel Margaret WILSON 5. Velma WILSON 6. Gladys WILSON 7. Delight Genevieve WILSON 8. Morris WILSON 9. Henry WILSON 10. Rupert WILSON Is this your WILSON family? Sandy Gilmore TracingMyRoots@hotmail.com * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * researching the GILMORE family of Ireland and Rockbridge County, Virginia - Archibald GILMORE (born about 1760) and wife Jane - parents of: - Robert GILMORE (born 1780 in Ireland - married Margaret BRADLEY in Rockbridge County, Virginia - died 1855 Rockbridge County, Virginia) - also looking for GILMORE relatives, who are still living in Ireland (my permanent email address = TracingMyRoots@hotmail.com ) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ----- Original Message ----- From: <HMcdon3900@aol.com> To: <VAAUGUST@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:22 PM Subject: [VAAUGUST] Chronicles of the Scot-Irish of Augusta County, VA I am trying to find a copy of the book "Chronicles of the Scot-Irish of Augusta County, VA 1745 - 1800". Does anyone if this book is available, and if so, where? I do not know the name of the author or when it was published. I am searching for information on my Wilson family that came from Scotland to Baltimore, MD, about 1730 - 1740, then to Virginia. The family was in Campbell County, in 1792, as my gr gr grandfather, John C. Wilson, was born there 1792. His father's name was James C. Wilson, and was probably born in Virginia about 1750. I don't know where the family came to in Virginia when they left Maryland, or even when. I only have info from family stories told by 90 year old man and an 86 year old woman. They both say that the family only stayed in Maryland a short time and went to the mountains. That covers a lot of territory. I'm hoping that this book will give me some clue as to where to look. Thank you very much for your help. Harold in Florida

Nitpicking has its place in the world of genealogy. As the Augusta VAGenWeb webmaster, I was responsible for getting the project going that placed Chalkey's Chronicles online. In our introduction page at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~chalkley/ scroll down to section two, "How Did Chalkley Become Available Online," paragraph three where it says "Chalkley is not without its problems." There is a link to the Library of Virginia which discusses the problems innate in those volumes. Carmen Finley, Webmaster Augusta VAGenWeb > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:13:30 -0700 (PDT) > From: Michael Sellers <muckham11@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [VAAUGUST] Chronicles of the Scot-Irish of Augusta > County, VA > To: vaaugust@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <998083.55282.qm@web59104.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Not to sound like a know-it-all or a nitpicker, but I did wanna voice a > word (or two) of caution concerning the 'work' of Judge Lyman Chalkley. > >