LJJJPWM@aol.com wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > Can anyone tell me what the word Duchy means. My G.G.Grandfather > was born from the house of Duchy in Rehborn, Germany. > Thanks, Jean > > > > In 1750 Gottlieb Mittelberger, a simple-organist and music master in the > > Duchy of Württemberg, <snip> > > ==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > The Augusta County IRC channel is open Fridays at 7:00 PM EST > to find out more, see the IRC page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/augustaquery/augustairc.htm > *************************************************************** I assumed someone more knowledgeable thaN I would answer this question. Since noone has, I will jump right in. A "Duchy" is a territory of a duke or duchess. That doesn't help a lot, but it is the best I can offer. Janet

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I am forwarding this that I received from one of my other lists. It is long but is well worth the time. It is about our ancestors migration route...the GREAT PA WAGON ROAD... Enjoy! Diana Kinzer Heath Fellow Eastern Tennessee Researchers: Since our ancestors all had to get to TN somehow, I thought you would all be interested in this speech on the Old Wagon Trail that was posted on the Rowan Roots list this morning. I am willing to stand corrected, but I would say a sizeable percentage used this road, except for those hardy souls that landed on the shores or river basins of the Chesapeake bay and traipsed gradually across VA and NC. By Kevin Cherry When the crops were in, they started. Early in the morning-even early for farm people, they'd set out. During the first years, they walked, leading five or six pack animals laden with supplies: tools, seed, fabric. In places, the famous path they trod was only three or four feet wide. The wilderness literally crept right up to their feet and brushed their faces as they walked. In later years they marched alongside oxen as these oversized beasts pulled two-wheeled carts heaped to overflowing, crossing rivers that licked high about their animals' flanks and often soaked every single, individual piece of their worldly possessions. Finally, when the path had been worn clear by thousands and thousands of previous travelers, they rode in wagons that, themselves, grew as the path widened into an honest to goodness road. These Pennsylvania- German-built wagons (Conestogas) at their largest would be twenty-six feet long, eleven feet high and some could bear loads up to ten tons. It took five or six pairs of horses to pull them. These big vehicles, the eighteen wheelers of their day, were called "Liners" and "Tramps." Ships would later gain their nicknames. No matter if they walked or rode, in the mid afternoon, they stopped to take care of the animals, prepare food, and put up the defense for the night. The cries of wolves in the distance and the pop of twigs just outside of the firelight sounded danger. Bands of Indians in the early days, bands of thieves later,, chased away deep sleep-no matter how tiring the day, how bone-weary the traveler. The fastest loaded wagon could go about five miles a day. The trip took a minimum of two months. Wagons broke down, rivers flooded, supplies gave out, and there was sickness but no doctors. Wagons were repaired, floods ceded, the wilderness supplied, and the sick were buried or stumbled on. This is the first great interior migration in our nation's history. It's the story of a road, the Great Pennsylvania Wagon Road. The Road Only a few trails cut through the vast forests, which covered the continent between the northernmost colonies and Georgia, the southern tip. The settlers, as they moved inland, usually followed the paths over which the Indians had hunted and traded. The Indians, in turn, had followed the pre-historical traces of animals. Who knows why the animals wandered where they did, but some of those early travelers on that road, the Scots-Irish Presbyterians, would have assured us it was certainly predetermined. Even so, few paths crossed the Appalachians, which formed a barrier between the Atlantic plateau and the unknown interior. In his 1755 map of the British Colonies, Lewis Evans labeled the Appalachians, "Endless Mountains." And so they must have seemed to the daring few who pierced the heart of the wooded unknown. But through this unknown, even then, there was a road. The Iroquois tribesmen of the North had long used the great warriors' path to come south and trade or make war in Virginia and the Carolinas. This vital link between the native peoples led from the Iroquois Confederacy around the Great Lakes through what later became Lancaster and Bethlehem, Pa through York to Gettysburg and into Western Maryland around what is now Hagerstown. It crossed the Potomac River at Evan Watkins' Ferry, followed the narrow path across the backcountry to Winchester, through the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia to Harrisonburg, Staunton, Lexington, and Roanoke. On it went into Salem, NC, and on to Salisbury, where it was joined by the east-west Catawba and Cherokee Indian Trading Path at the Trading Ford across the Yadkin River. On to Charlotte and Rock Hill, SC where it branched to take two routes, one to Augusta and another to Savannah, Georgia. It was some road, but it was just a narrow line through the continuous forest. Virginia's Gov. Col. Alexander Spotswood first discovered this Great Road in 1716 when his "Knights of the Golden Horseshoe," finally crossed the mountains, drank a toast to King George's health and buried a bottle claiming the vast valley for the King of England. His Knights' motto became "Sic Juvat Transcendere Montes, ~ or "Behold, we cross the mountains." In 1744, a treaty between the English colonists and the Indians gave the white men control of the road for the first time. By 1765 the Great Wagon Road was cleared all along it way enough to hold horse drawn vehicles and by 1775, the road stretched 700 miles. Boys and dogs, smelling like barnyards, drove tens of thousands of pigs to market along this road, which grew gradually worse the farther South you went. Inns and ordinaries, which spotted the road undoubtedly taught more than a few of them the ways of the world. But that was all later. The majority of the folks who by the thousands would walk over Spotswood's buried bottle would have probably thought his whole 1716 ceremony a little preposterous and quite a bit pretentious. You see, they were plain folk trying to get away from Latin, from mottoes, and from knights with horseshoes no matter their element of manufacture, lead to gold. They were as different from Spotswood's cavaliers as a golden horseshoe is from an ox's hoof. Who were the Wagon Road's Travelers? For 118 years, the English and Dutch settled the New World, lining the harbors and pointing their cities, their eyes, their hearts to the east, across the Atlantic. They were on the fringes of a vast continent but, for the most part, they forever more turned away from it and toward home. They were certainly colonists, even those stem- faced few who came to these shores for religious reasons, and most of the other settlers, you see, had come to expand the business opportunities of home establishments. Their ties to those establishments were strong. It took a different kind of settler, someone who had cut his ties altogether, someone who didn't really have all that much to lose, to look west at a wilderness and there see something more than raw materials ready for exploitation. It took folks like the Germans and the Scots Irish to put their backs to the ocean and see home in front of them. Escaping devastating wars, religious persecution, economic disasters, and all of those other things that still cause people to come to these shores, the Scots Irish and the Germans had no intention of returning to their native lands. They were here to stay. They didn't look east but to the south and west-toward land. They didn't see wolves and Indians. They saw opportunities. And as different as the Germans and the Scots Irish were, they had what it took to flourish in the backcountry. Not possessions that could be lost in the fording of a river, not personal contacts and the sponsorship of powerful men, but rough and tumble ability and a heavy streak of stubbornness. They knew slash and bum agriculture, they knew pigs, they could hunt and forage, they knew hard work. They built their cabins the exact same way. And eventually, they traveled together in that same heavy stream southward along the Great Pennsylvania Wagon Road. In 1749, 12,000 Germans reached Pennsylvania. By 1775 , there were I 10,000 people of German birth in that colony, one-third of the population. When Philadelphia was a cluster of Inns and Ordinaries: the Blue Anchor, Pewter Platter, Penny-Pot, Seven Stars, Cross Keys, Hornet and Peacock, Benjamin Franklin, one of that era's most open-minded men asked, "Why should the Palatinate Boors be suffered to swan-n into our settlement and by herding together establish their language and manners to the exclusion of ours? Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a colony of aliens who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us, instead of our Anglicizing them and will never adopt our language or customs any more than they can acquire our complexion." But the Germans kept coming, thinking like their Scots Irish compatriots who are recorded as noting that!, "It was against the law of God and nature that so much land should be idle while so many Christians wanted it to labor on and raise their bread." In short,, Pennsylvania was flooded. Why they Headed South There is probably no more beautiful land anywhere than that part of Pennsylvania now known as the "Amish Country." It must have appeared to those people fresh off of the boat, truly a land flowing with milk and honey. But it filled rapidly. Land became expensive. The most important reason why the Germans and Scots-Irish put what little they owned on their backs and took the southbound road was the cost of land in Pennsylvania. A fifty- acre farm in Lancaster County, PA would have cost 7 pounds 10 shillings in 1750. In the Granville District of North Carolina, which comprised the upper half of the state, five shillings would buy 100 acres. The crossing of an ocean was move enough for most of the early immigrants. The generation, which could still feel the waves beneath their feet when elderly, often stayed in Pennsylvania, but their children repeated their parent's adventure. Often, they cast off their lines, raised whatever anchors they had, and ~'sailed" south right after their patriarchs had gone to their reward. As North Carolina's Secretary of State, William L. Saunders wrote in 1886, "Immigration, in the early days, divested of its glamour and brought down to solid fact, is the history of a continuous search for good bottom land." In their search for bottom land, English colonists encroached onto territories claimed by France. This pressure became one of the reasons the French and Indians went to war against England and her colonists. The Germans and Scots bore the brunt of the war, a cabin burning, wife-kidnapping, farm ambushing, bloody, horrible guerrilla war. For eleven years mayhem reigned on the frontier. In 1756, three years after the war started, George Washington wrote that the Appalachian frontiersmen were "in a general motion towards the southern colonies" and that Virginia's westernmost counties would soon be emptied. Western North Carolina seemed to those escaping the war to be safer because the Cherokee were on the British side-at least at the beginning. To western North Carolina they came. This French and Indian War, which started the year Rowan County was created, joined the quest for more and better land as a major factor in sending those Germans and Scots-Irish down the Wagon Road to safer territory. Not only that but, the peace treaty that ended the war stated that no English settlers would go over the Appalachians. Thus, the best unclaimed land in all of the colonies lay along the Yadkin, Catawba and Savannah Rivers between the years 1763 and 1768. When the war ended in 1764, the western settlements of Pennsylvania had suffered a loss of population. Virginia and North Carolina had grown. What they Found When those Scots Irish and Germans got here "the country of the upper Yadkin teemed with game. Bears were so numerous it was said that a hunter could lay by two or three thousand pounds of bear grease in a season. The tale was told in the forks that nearby Bear Creek took its name from the season Boone killed 99 bears along its waters. The deer were so plentiful that an ordinary hunter could kill four or five a day; the deerskin trade was an important part of the regional economy. In 1753 more than 30,000 skins were exported from North Carolina, and thousands were used within the colony for the manufacture of leggings, breeches and moccasins." In 1755, NC Gov. Arthur Dobbs wrote to England that the "Yadkin is a large beautiful river. Where there is a ferry it is nearly 300 yards over it, [which] was at this time fordable, scarce coming to the horse's bellies." At six miles distant, he said, "I arrived at Salisbury the county seat of Rowan. The town is just laid out, the courthouse built,, and 7 or 8 log houses built." Most of Salisbury's householders ran public houses, letting travelers sup at their table-and drink, too. In 1762, there were 16 public houses. There was also a shoe factory, a prison, a hospital and armory all here before the Revolution. Even so, it was still only an outpost in the wilderness. Salisbury was for twenty-three years the farthest west county seat in the colonies. And through this outpost the wagon road ran, and on that road the immigrants continued to travel even after the area was settled. Governor Tryon wrote to England that more than a thousand wagons passed through Salisbury in the Fall and Winter of 1765. That works out to about six immigrant wagons per day. Summary In the last sixteen years of the colonial era," wrote historian Carl Bridenbaugh, "Southbound traffic along the Great Philadelphia Wagon Rowan was numbered in tens of thousands. It was the most heavily traveled road in all America and must have had more vehicles jolting along its rough and tortuous way than all the other main roads put together." When the British captured Philadelphia, the Continental Congress escaped down the Pennsylvania Wagon Road. Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett traveled it. George Washington knew it as an Indian fighter. John Chisholm knew it as an Indian trader. Countless soldiers-Andrew Jackson, Andrew Pickens, Andrew Lewis, Francis Marion, Lighthorse Harry Lee, Daniel Morgan, and George Rogers Clark, among them-fought over it. Both the North and South would use it during the Civil War. And down this road, this glorified overgrown footpath through the middle of nowhere leading to even greater depths of nowhere, came those people looking for a better life for themselves and their children,, down it came those settlers, those hardworking stubborn Scots Irish and Germans: the preachers, the blacksmiths, and farmers. Down it came the Holshousers and the Barringers, the Alexanders and the Grahams, the Millers and the Earnhardts,, the Catheys and the Knoxes, the Blackwelders and the Halls, and the Cherrys and the Brauns and the Fishers. When the crops were in, on a day like today, they started. Thank you. Kevin Cherry Rowan County Library Historian

Hello Everyone, Can anyone tell me what the word Duchy means. My G.G.Grandfather was born from the house of Duchy in Rehborn, Germany. Thanks, Jean > > In 1750 Gottlieb Mittelberger, a simple-organist and music master in the > Duchy of W�rttemberg, <snip>

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Ralph Wilson s/o Captain Samuel Wilson b. 1730 Doe Hill, Maryland Seeking info on Ralph Wilson ...please e-mail me if anyone has info on this line. Anyone that is working on this line, also please respond. Ava Wilson Whitis gwhitis@ardmore.net / wilson@surnameweb.org Founder of the Wilson Network http://members.tripod.com/~Wilson_Network/index.htm

All one hears today is the horror of what happened aboard the Titanic... Multiply that XXXs over for what so many of our ancestors went through just to get here...and their experience wasn't over then. But, the tragedy of the Titanic is just a modern version of the horrors suffered by the emigrant in the centuries before them. One of my Kinzer ancestors came over on a ship that was so racked by disease and death that the carpenter of the ship was the only one left alive who could bring the ship into port. Norma, hope you have a Blessed, Happy New Year!! Diana

I've seen this before, it should be titled "what could happen". The Irish complained of bad conditions on board ships up to 1900 when they had steamers. Many of them badly wanted to turn around and go home, but for the rest of their lives they would retain this fear of ships and the oceans. However, many of the German ships were chartered and only correct numbers were allowed to board. Many young men purposely came over with the intention of indenturing themselves because they knew this was a way to get land and a new start. The farms in Germany were crowded as down through the years the farms were split up among the family, each son who came of age would be given some acres until finally youngest sons would have nothing to inherit snf his only choice was to emigrate. Believe it or not many went to Poland and Russia, Turkey, Austria, even Africa and India, they didn't all come to America. I don't know if I've ever told you the story of Michael Keinadt, but he came to America in 1747 on the Ship "Restauration", and the story is that his sister Elizabeth came with him. She had a lovely singing voice (she was also over 30) and intended to sing in America (church choirs). But, there was an awful storm at sea and Michael was forced to throw over his cargo to lighten the ship and his sister was washed overboard and drowned. This was supposedly his 5th trip and the German family swears this is true, although he was only 25, to sell his families jagers (guns). Evidently his passage depended on the sales of his jagers and when he lost them he was penniless. It is possible Casper Diller bought his indenture as he did for Johann Swiegert Imboden, for Michael married Margaret Diller 2 years later when she was 16 - but - their first child was born in 1751, this child died, but George Adam was born in 1753 - so if they had a biological reason for marrying there is no record. Thanks for this, Diana, I wanted to save it the first time I saw it and lost it. Hope you all had nice holidays! Norma Angel329@prodigy.net wrote: > > I thought this would be of interest to most on our list. > Diana Kinzer Heath > > American at 1750 by Richard Hofstadter > > In 1750 Gottlieb Mittelberger, a simple-organist and music master in the > Duchy of Württemberg, <snip>

I thought this would be of interest to most on our list. Diana Kinzer Heath American at 1750 by Richard Hofstadter In 1750 Gottlieb Mittelberger, a simple-organist and music master in the Duchy of Württemberg, was commissioned to bring an organ to a German congregation in New Providence, Pennsylvania, and his journey inspired him to write a memorable account of an Atlantic crossing. >From Heilbronn, where he picked up his organ, Mittelberger went the well-traveled route along the Neckar and the Rhine to Rotterdam, whence he sailed to a stopover at Cowes in England, and then to Philadelphia About four hundred passengers were crowded onto the ship, mainly German and Swiss redemptioners, men pledged to work off their passage charges. The trip from his home district to Rotterdam took seven weeks, the voyage from Rotterdam to Philadelphia fifteen weeks, the entire journey from May to October. What moved Mittelberger, no literary man, to write of his experiences was first his indignation against the lies and misrepresentations used by the "newlanders" to lure his fellow Germans to, America, and then the hideous shock of the crossing. The voyage proved excruciating and there is no reason to think it particularly unusual. The long trip down the Rhine, with constant stops at the three dozen customs houses between Heilbronn and Holland, began to consume the limited funds of the travelers, and it was followed by an expensive stop of several weeks in Holland. Then there was the voyage at sea, with the passengers packed like herring and cramped in the standard bedsteads measuring two feet by six, "During the journey," wrote Mittelberger, "the ship is full of pitiful signs of distress-smells, fumes, horrors, vomiting, various kinds of sea sickness, fever, dysentery, headaches, heat, constipation, boils, scurvy, cancer, mouth-rot, and similar afflictions, all of them caused by the age and the highlysalted state of the food, especially of the meat, as well as by the very bad and filthy w ater, which brings about the miserable destruction and death of many. Add to all that shortage of food, hunger, thirst, frost, beat, dampness, fear, misery, vexation, and lamentation as well as other troubles. Thus, for example, there are so many lice, especially on the sick people, that they have to be scraped off the bodies. All this misery reached its climax when in addition to everything else one must suffer through two or three days and nights of storm, with everyone convinced, that the ship with all aboard is bound to sink. In sad misery all the people on board pray and cry pitifully together." Even those who endured the voyage in good health, Mittelberger reported, fell out of temper and turned on each other with reproaches. They cheated and stole. "But most of ah they cry out against the thieves of human beings! Many groan and exclaim:'Oh! If only I were back at home, even lying in my pig-sty!' Or they call out: 'Ah, dear God, if I only once again had a piece of good bread or a good fresh drop of water.'" It went hardest with women in childbirth and their offspring: "Very few escape with their lives; and mother and child, as soon as they have died, are thrown into the water. On board our ship, on a day on which we had a great storm, a woman about to give birth and unable to deliver under the circumstances, was pushed through one of the portholes into the sea because her corpse was far back in the stern and could not be brought forward to the deck." Children under seven, he thought (though the port records show him wrong here), seldom survived, especially those who had not already had measles and smallpox, and their parents were condemned to watch them die and be tossed overboard. The sick members of families infected the healthy, and in the end all might be lying moribund. He believed disease was so prevalent because warm food was served only three times a week, and of that very little, very bad, very dirty, and supplemented by water that was often "very black, thick with dirt, and full of worms ... towards the end of the voyage we had to eat the ship's biscuit, 4. For the voyage, Mittelberger, Journey to Pennsylvania (edn. 1960), ed. and trans, by Oscar Handlin and John Clive, l0-7. which had already been spoiled for a long time, even though no single piece was there more than the size of a thaler (German coin, dollar) that was not full of red worms and spiders' nests." The first sight of land gave heart to the passengers, who came crawling out of the hatches to get a glimpse of it. But then for many a final disappointment lay in wait: only those who could complete the payment of their fare could disembark. The others were kept on board until they were bought, some of them sickening within sight of land and, as they sickened, losing the chance of being bought on good terms. On landing some families were broken, when despairing parents indentured their children to masters other than their own. Not even passengers of means who paid their way, moved more or less freely about ship, occupied cabins or small dormitories, and had superior rations could take an Atlantic crossing lightly. In addition to the hazards of winds too feeble or too violent, of pirates, shipwrecks, or hostile navies, there were under the best of circumstances the dangers of sickness. Travelers in either direction frequently died of smallpox or other diseases on board or soon after arrival. Anglican colonials often complained of the high mortality rate among their young would-be clergymen crossing to England to be ordained. The Dutch Reformed preacher Theodorus Frelinghuysen lost three of his five sons on their way to be ordained in Amsterdam. The evangelist George Whitefield on his first crossing to the colonies in 1738 saw a majority of the soldiers on board af8icted with fever and spent much of his time "for many days and nights, visiting between twenty and thirty sick persons, crawling between decks upon his knees, administering medicines and cordials" and giving comfort. On this voyage the captain's Negro servant died, was wrapped in a hammock and tossed into the sea. In the end all but a handful of the passengers took the fever, including Whitefield, who survived treatment by bleeding and emetics. The ship on which he returned a few months later was afflicted by a "contrary wind," drifted for over a week to the point at which crew and passengers were uncertain where they were, and took so long to arrive at Ireland that water rations, which had been cut to a pint a day, were just about to run out.

I apologize to the list but Norma's mail keeps kicking out on fatal error. She's looking for this Spring-- Coyner Springs Located on SR 660 just off US 460 just inside the Botetourt County line eight miles east of Roanoke. Coyner Springs has had many spellings--Coyner, Conner and Coiner. It was a white elephant to the city of Roanoke, but today it is the site of the Roanoke City Nursing Home and the Roanoke Juvenile Detention Home. The history of the springs mirrors in part the history of the Roanoke area and dates back to 1770 when John Howard was granted 325 acres. In 1836 George Cointer acquired 165 acres of the original purchase. He died in 1843 and his wife retained 26 acres including the springs. The springs had only local use until 1851 when Fleming James purchased the property and built a hotel and cottages. The Virginia and Tennessee Railroad was built near the resort shortly afterward and, to increase its business, the company built a station at the springs. To attract more patrons, James dubbed the different springs: the White, the Blue, the Black and Chalybeate--thereby claiming for one resort the virtues ascribed to many. In 1886, the resort was purchased by William Frye, whose son, Dr. William Frye, was an early Roanoke physician. Life at the resort followed an established routine consisting of strolls to the various springs to drink the water, croquet games, cards and dancing at night. The cottages were furnished with Spartan severity and the unpainted, unpapered, glaring white walls and ceilings were cheerless. There was a damp odor that seemed to permeate everything. Along with Blue Ridge Springs, Coyner was patronized mainly by people from the Roanoke and the southwest Virginia areas. By the time of the First World War, the hotel was in bad shape and was torn down. In the 1920's a New York man tried to revive the area but met with only slight success. Some years later the City of Roanoke came into possession of the property, and in 1939 the present nursing home was built as a tuberculosis sanitorium. The last tuberculosis patient was moved out in 1956 and the building stood empty until the City of Roanoke established the nursing home in 1958. Today the old resort is peopled by senior citizens and junveniles who can look out over some magnificent scenery from its 124 acres of rolling hills. Doris

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Tue Jan 5 10:43:07 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: Rebel1920@aol.com (Carl Coleman Rosen) I am searching for the parents of JACOB SWOOPE (1766-1832) and the parents of his wife MARY MCDOWELL (1772-1816). They lived in Augusta County, Virginia. PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: Rebel1920@aol.com (Carl Coleman Rosen)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Mon Jan 4 16:32:23 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: iainw@aol.com (Marianne Parsons) Casper ZIRCLE (aka ZIRKLE) and his wife, Sarah are found in the 1880 Augusta Co. census. Children listed are: Wm. M. (b.1863-64), Minnie, Charles, Thomas, Edward and Lottie. Is this William M. ZIRCLE the same one who was born in VA. and moved to Atlanta, GA. and married Carrie Branan?? Thanks! PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: iainw@aol.com (Marianne Parsons)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Mon Jan 4 10:42:37 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: mazhude@hotmail.com (Scott Michaud) Searching for info. on the family of Frank SUBLETT, residing in Staunton, VA, around the 1890s. Any information appreciated. URL: http://members.tripod.com/~Scott_Michaud/index-3.html PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: mazhude@hotmail.com (Scott Michaud)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Sun Jan 3 19:26:44 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: henricus@swbell.net (Jerome Mindrup) Seeking information about Margaret Rogers who married William H. Greiner in 1849-50. They were born right near 1829-1830. They lived in the area for at least 20 years. The only info I have is from US Census. Would like help/info on locating their parents. PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: henricus@swbell.net (Jerome Mindrup)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Sun Jan 3 17:44:14 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: dlparks@naxs.com (Donna Long Parks) Richard Long was born around 1760 or 1761 in Augusta Co...looking for parents of Richard....Richard married a Elizabeth Burney from NC and settled in Russell County...would appreciate your help PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: dlparks@naxs.com (Donna Long Parks)

Norma: I found your Springs--please contact me. Doris dvs1119@aol.com

Peyton HAMRICK was b. 1774 in Fauquier Co. VA died 7 AUG 1855 in Augusta Co. and is buried in the Hamrick Cemetery. Can anyone give me the location of this cemetery? I descend from his daughter Nancy who m. William BRANDOM 1831 in Culpepper Co. Va. The Brandoms lived "over the Blue Ridge" on Oven Top Mt. in Rappahannock Co. when it was created from Culpapper in 1833. Is the Hamrick Cemetery nearby? Is anyone else tracing either line? Linda Linda Sparks Starr for VA CLARK/MOORMAN and allied lines: starr81@ix.netcom.com or http://home.earthlink.net/~qlstarr/ for Henry STARR of GA info http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~marykozy

Here is a list of Loyalist, German and English officers from the Rev. War. This URL was posted to the Rev. War list and I went through it and pulled out some of the names that have appeared on queries on this list, and some that I was looking for. This is from the index of a book which is available which is explained at this site. I only chose a few that sounded like VA names. These officers escaped after the war to Canada, England and back to Germany, the German names represent a few of the Hessian soldiers, many of whom stayed in the US, or went to Canada and came back when the coast cleared. For those of you who complain of treatment of the South after the Civil War, you should be aware that the English were not allowed to stay in America after the Rev. War. If they did stay they were subject to long years in prison. Tories and Loyalists who lived in this country before the war spent long years in exile in Canada before they dared to come back. Such is the fate of losers. Many Americans died in British prison ships which were worse hell holes than any Civil War Prison, and when these prisoners died they were dumped in the bay, no gravesite to find for them. The British couldn't show their faces in this country for many years. I'm not saying any of these names appeared later in VA or anywhere else, only that there is a possibility if you are stuck, don't connect to families with these names, you might connect to one of these Rev. War families. Note: The name of their Regiment indicates where they were from or who their sponsors were in England and Germany. Norma http://www.fortunecity.com/lavender/pimlico/20/britmil.txt Hanger, George Major Prov. Gen. Staff Page 04 Campbell, Alexander Major British Gen. Staff Page 03 Campbell, Thomas B. Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Steel, Thomas Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Bell, James Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Young, William Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Browne, David Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Smith, William Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Cheney, Francis Supernum. Mate General Hospital Page 08 Stewart, John Captain Royal Artillery Brig Page 09 Thompson, Henry J. 1st Lieut. Royal Artillery Brig Page 09 Rogers, Henry 1st Lieut. Royal Artillery Brig Page 09 Wade, John 2nd Lieut. Royal Artillery Brig Page 10 St. Clair, John (Jr.) Cornet 17th Dragoons Page 11 Stewart, Alexander G. Ensign 3rd Regiment (Buffs) Page 12 Walker, Robert Lieut. 7th Regiment Page 13 Cliff, Walker Lieut. 7th Regiment Page 13 Brown, John Hamilton Lieut. 7th Regiment Page 13 Wood, Thomas Adjutant 7th Regiment Page 13 Taylor, Nathaniel Qtr. Master 7th Regiment Page 13 Seymour, George Captain 17th Foot Page 14 St. Clair, Bolton Ensign 17th Foot Page 14 White, Benjamin Lieut. 22nd Regiment Page 15 McDonald, Donald Ensign 22nd Regiment Page 15 Campbell, Alexander Ensign 22nd Regiment Page 15 McAlpine, Colin Mate 22nd Regiment Page 15 Stuart, James Lieut. 42nd Regiment Page 21 Stuart, Alexander Lieut. 42nd Regiment Page 21 Young, John Lieut. 42nd Regiment Page 21 Fraser, George Lieut. 42nd Regiment Page 21 Campbell, Dugal Lieut. 42nd Regiment Page 21 Miller, William Captain 43rd Regiment Page 22 Waugh, Robert Surgeon 43rd Regiment Page 22 Palmer, Thomas Lieut. 44th Regiment Page 23 Campbell, James Lieut. 44th Regiment Page 23 Long, William Captain 57th Regiment Page 24 Waugh, Gilbert Captain 57th Regiment Page 24 Murray, Edward Lieut. 57th Regiment Page 24 St. Clair, Henry Lieut. 57th Regiment Page 24 Kemp, George Mate 60th Regiment Page 25 Pomeroy, John Colonel 64th Regiment Page 28 Bell, Robert Chaplain 64th Regiment Page 28 McAlpine, Neil Ensign 74th Regiment Page 32 Anderson, Robert Lieut. 82nd Regiment Page 35 Murray, Thomas Major 84th Regiment Page 36 Murray, E. Captain 84th Regiment Page 36 Murray, L. Ensign 84th Regiment Page 36 Long, Frederick Ensign Ditfurth Page 41 Nagell, Henry Lud. (Jr.) 2nd Lieut. Donop Page 42 Henckell, _____ Ensign Donop Page 42 Biell, Jacob Captain Losberg (Senior) Page 43 Becker, Frederick Adolphus 2nd Lieut. Prince Charles Page 40 Andersohn, Ernst William 2nd Lieut. Prince Hereditaire Page 39 Von Kleist, Eugene Benjamin 2nd Lieut. Landgrave Page 38 Reuffurth, Christian Philip Captain Knyphausen Page 44 Petri, _____ Ensign Seitz Page 51 Henricks, John Captain Jagers Page 52 Hanger, George Captain Jagers Page 52 De Stein, Henry Charles Frederick Captain 1st Batt. Anspach Page 56 Spencer, George Lieut. Queen's Rangers Cav. Page 61 Dunlap, Charles Lieut. Queen's Rangers Inf. Page 62 Allan, Adam Lieut. Queen's Rangers Inf. Page 62 Murray, Edward Ensign Queen's Rangers Inf. Page 62 McRae, Creighton Ensign Queen's Rangers Inf. Page 62 Hamilton, Geo. Qtr. Master Queen's Rangers Inf. Page 62 Browne, Isaac Chaplain New York Volunteers Page 63 Wetmore, George Lieut. Nova Scotia Vols. Page 65 Lester, Benjamin Lieut. 1st Batt. De Lancey Page 66 Lester, Thomas Captain 2nd Batt. De Lancey Page 67 Murray, Daniel Major Kings Amer. Dragoons Page 73 Rotton, Robert Captain Kings Orange Rangers Page 74 Bell, William Lieut. Kings Orange Rangers Page 74 Currie, Ross Lieut. Penn. Loyalists Page 80 Millar, Tobit Cornet S. C. Royalists Page 81 Murray, Thomas Lieut. Garrison Battalion Page 82 Bell, _____ Surgeon Garrison Battalion Page 83 Browne, Tho. Lt. Col. Comm. Kings Carolina Rngrs Page 84 Ellis, Daniel Lieut. Kings Carolina Rngrs Page 84 Allen, John Surgeon Kings Carolina Rngrs Page 84

Hello All, Ok everyone, need help with this one. The story goes as this...... Elizabeth Ann Overfield b.1828 in Harrison VA had a male child with James B. Taylor. They named this child James B. Taylor Jr. He was born in abt.1853/54. in VA. I heard from an Overfield researcher yesterday who pretty much confirmed that Elizabeth and James B. SR never married. This person descends from one of Elizabeth's brothers and had heard the story in the family. He also confirmed that James B. JR did indeed live with his grandparents, Martin Overfield and Julia Nutter at least when the 1860 census of Doddridge Co. was taken, James JR was 6 years on this census. Also confirmed was the fact that Elizabeth A. Overfield went on to marry David Jones on Sept. 12, 1861 in Doddridge Co. It is said that David Jones was from Ohio and that he and Elizabeth moved back to Ohio after the marriage. Also confirmed was the fact that my James B. Taylor JR would on occasion use his mothers maiden name of Overfield. By the 1870 census of Doddridge co. James B. JR is no longer living with his grandparents, Martin Overfield and Julia A. Nutter. James Jr. would have been 16/17 at this time. What I now need to find out is this...... Why did James B. Taylor Sr and Elizabeth Overfield never marry? Did James SR die before that could take place? If James SR did not die, did he go on to marry someone else? If so, then who? Did Elizabeth Overfield and David Jones take James B. Taylor JR back to live with them after the marriage? And did they go to Ohio? (I'm not sure about that last one as James B. Taylor JR gets married in Doddridge Co. to Lucy Britton in 1871.) If James B. JR did not go with Elizabeth and David, then who was he living with in 1870? I have yet to find a census record of a James B. Taylor at the age of 17 as head of household. I have yet to find a census of a James B. Taylor with child James B. age 17 living with him. If James B. Taylor SR married someone else and had children then those children would be half siblings to my James JR. Is there anyone who can recall such a story passed along in their family or have Taylor's with a half brother James about the age of my James? I suspect the areas in question are Doddridge Co., Ritchie Co. Harrison Co. or Pleasants Co. (but could be really anywhere) Sorry about the mini-novel, but thanks for reading. Here's hoping to connect!! Julie ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Here are the surnames I am researching with ties to Augusta County. The date in ( ) is the earliest date that I have been able to verify my ancestor in Augusta County. ANDREW (1800) BLAKELY (1788) BOTT/BUTT (1790) BRUFFEY/BRUFFY (1785) HALL (1832) HULVEY (1830) JAMES (1845) JOHNSON (1823) MESSERSMITH (1797) PETERSON (1845) RANDALL/RANDOL/RANDOLPH (1840) SIPE/SYPE (1830) TALLEY/TALLY (1820) Jim Messersmith