The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Fri Jan 8 16:39:28 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: clcritter@geocities.com (Chris) I am seeking information on Adam Wine. He owned property in Augusta County in the early 1800's URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/7321/genealogy.html PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: clcritter@geocities.com (Chris)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Fri Jan 8 13:16:44 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: pdq@mddc,com (Dorothy Roeder) information wanted on brothers James BLAIR and Alexander BLAIR. Especially, their children or wills. I do have the 3 volume Chalkley set. Hope to be steared to the right ones!! Can exchange information on William Blair, SR. Perhaps he is the son of Alexander.Dorothy PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: pdq@mddc,com (Dorothy Roeder)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Fri Jan 8 11:58:49 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: ltowns@alaweb.com (Linda Townsend Thompson) Would like to hear from anyone who may be able to tell me the circumstances surrounding the charges made against Repentence TOWNSEND (my ggggggrandfather) and his wife Mary TAYLOR stating that they were not bringing their children up in a christian like manner. They were found guilty and had to pay restitutation. PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: ltowns@alaweb.com (Linda Townsend Thompson)

The following query was posted to the Augusta County Query Page on Thu Jan 7 11:41:15 1999 PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: ol3putts@aol.com (Dick Thompson) David Lefler b abt. 1760 Augusta Co VA d 1845 Nelson Co KY Enlisted in Capt Francis Willis Company of Col William Grayson's Regiment 21 March 1777 for 3 years. Received pay until July 1777 when he was reported sick in hospital at Valley Forge. He continued to miss muster until March 1778 when he was placed on "Dead" or "Deserted " List. In 1800 the names of David and Jacob Lefler were placed on "Delinquent taxpayers list in Augusta Co VA. His wife has never been identified, but they raised 10 children in Nelson Co KY. PLEASE ADRRESS YOUR REPLY TO: ol3putts@aol.com (Dick Thompson)

This is interesting, Carol. There were Koiners in Roanoke, but this is getting into late history. It is easy to lose contact with these families by 1900 when the families got so huge and scattered. I wish you had some first names or family make-up. Plaine is not an allied name I'm familiar with. It is surprising to see Koiner with a K used so late. There is a huge family in TX who still spell the name that way, and there is the MD family who still use that spelling. I've never run across it in VA this late, but as we know nothing is cast in stone. I appreciate this quote though, I'll add it my question file, may come across something some day. Thanks. Norma Carol Moser wrote: > > Recently I have been working thru the typed memoirs of my > GreatGrandmother Elizabeth Via Gochenour and came upon the following > references to Koiners which might be of interest. > > "A stave mill moved into the Hollow [Sugar Hollow along Moormans River > Albemarle County VA in the 1890s], bringing young men and married men > with their wives....The stave mill brought many changes to the Hollow. > So many people moved in that we needed a store. Plaine and Koiner put > up a big store with living quarters upstairs. They sold most everything > you could call for....Plaine and Koiner had a farm 5 miles north of > Roanoke, and they asked Luther [Gochenour] to go out there and take it > over [about Summer 1900]....We had a great big farmhouse with eight > rooms....We had lovely neighbors: the Thrashers, the Carneys, the Woods > and the Paces....Luther got only $20 a month in cash, but we could have > all the garden we wanted and we almost always had a cow....In December > 1902 we packed up and moved." > > ==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > Visit the Augusta County VAGenWeb Site at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/ > ****************************************************************

Recently I have been working thru the typed memoirs of my GreatGrandmother Elizabeth Via Gochenour and came upon the following references to Koiners which might be of interest. "A stave mill moved into the Hollow [Sugar Hollow along Moormans River Albemarle County VA in the 1890s], bringing young men and married men with their wives....The stave mill brought many changes to the Hollow. So many people moved in that we needed a store. Plaine and Koiner put up a big store with living quarters upstairs. They sold most everything you could call for....Plaine and Koiner had a farm 5 miles north of Roanoke, and they asked Luther [Gochenour] to go out there and take it over [about Summer 1900]....We had a great big farmhouse with eight rooms....We had lovely neighbors: the Thrashers, the Carneys, the Woods and the Paces....Luther got only $20 a month in cash, but we could have all the garden we wanted and we almost always had a cow....In December 1902 we packed up and moved."

>From<whisperling2@hotmail.com> >To: j916g@hotmail.com >Subject: Miller family VA >Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 12:26:03 PST > >Hello Everyone. >Please bear with me, the Miller part is at the end :) > > >>I have Josephine L. Bear age 15 on the 1860 Ritchie Co. VA census >living >>with the family of James H. Harris and wife Elizabeth. I do not know >the maiden name of this Elizabeth. >> >>I have J.S. Bear age 19 married to Rolen Barr in 1864 in Ritchie Co. >>marriage record indicated she was born in Augusta. VA. Parents are >listed as John Bear and Elizabeth Bear. >> >> >>I have Josephine Bear age 5 and Elizabeth Bear age 30 living with the >Martin Miller family on the 1850 Augusta co.VA census. > >This is how that census reads: > >Martin Miller 58 farmer >William 26 >George 23 >Henry >David 14 >Mary 54 >Sarah 17 >Mary 15 >Elizabeth Bear 30 >Josephine Bear 5 > > >Usually the wife is listed right after the husband so I don't know if >Mary 54 is his wife. > >then I found this marriage: > >John Bear and Elizabeth Miller >Feb. 27, 1844 from the Augusta Co. VA marriage records Then I find on the Dawes roll: John Bear, tribe Creek, full blood. >I'm trying to find out if this is the same Josephine Bear all the way >through. On each document the age was right. >Also, trying to find out if Elizabeth Bear is the same woman as >Elizabeth Miller and if she goes on the marry James H. Harris >after John Bear. > >Would anyone know of this family. >thanks > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hi all, There is now a search engine on the Augusta VAGenWeb page. It will find all references to a surname contained anywhere on any/all pages. I put it up last Tuesday and it has taken this long for it to become functional. So if anyone has tried it in the last four days without success, try again. Let me know how you like it. It is located towards the bottom of the first page. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carmen J. Finley finleyc@sonoma.edu Finley Family History database Sonoma State University http://libweb.sonoma.edu/special/finley.html Augusta County, VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I thought this was a very important website and felt there are many out there who would also want it. This is a listing of the Confederate POWs who died while prisoners in the Louisville Military Prison, and were buried in Cave Hill Cemetery, Louisville, KY. Most of these were either wounded, or too sick to send to prisons further North, such as Camps Morton, Douglas, Chase, &c. As POWs began to die there, local Unionists did not want them buried with the Union dead, so a couple of well-to-do Confederate sympathizers bought and donated ground in Cave Hill Cemetery, which later became the Confederate sections. (Some CS POWs did, however, end up buried among the Federals in what became the National Cemetery.) ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ky/jefferson/cemeteries/cavehill.txt There is also a Georgia woman, Elizabeth Timms, buried among the CS POWs. She was taken from her home when the Federals passed by in 1864 and shipped North (her husband was away in the ANV). She was imprisoned in the women's section of the LMP, and died there (reportedly due to mistreatment at the hands of Dr. Mary Walker). Her dying wish was "bury me with my people," which is where she lies to this day. If anyone has any corrections to the names, ranks, or units on this listing, based on research into unit records, I would very much appreciate it if you would pass it on, so I can correct the list. ============================== ============================== Geoff Walden <gwalden@sw.cybersurf.de> Sons of Confederate Veterans Gen. Ben Hardin Helm Camp 1703 ============================== ==============================Diana Kinzer Heath

Thanks a bunch Diana & Lee for the wonderful information posted to the Augusta site, on the Wilderness Road. I want to know more about it since some of my ancestors were supposed to have been mentioned in a book entitled "The Wilderness Road". I don't have the authors name. In some research that I received from another family researcher she mentioned that our ancester, Nancy RENFROs father had land that people had to cross to get to the Cumberland Gap. He made a lot of money by charging for watering cattle etc. along with the Inn & Tavern, that he had. Nancy RENFRO(RENTFRO) was b. abt. 1780 & according to this same researcher married James Hamilton RILEY in VA near the Cumberland Gap abt. 1798, no marriage record has been located, that I know of. Nancy died abt. 1815 in Clay Co. KY. If anyone knows of this book, or any other book on the Wilderness Road, I would appreciate it if you could direct me to a copy, that I could get through inter-library loan. Evidently Nancys father owned property but I have no idea in which county to look for land record. Can someone help me out on this? Thanks. Geraldine in MO

Lee, Do you go by Lee then? You and I corresponded earlier and I avoided a greeting because I was unsure of how to address you. Regards, Bob Thompson

Well, you tell handsome stories! This reminds me of my friend, Carroll, who hates to be confused with a "she" so I was calling him CC to abate that problem, and he jumped all over me on a list one night, saying that wasn't his name. The very next message was in answer to his message and began, "Dear Carol". BTW, LEE is my middle name, me and Marilyn only have our first name in common, believe me! Norma "G. Lee Hearl" wrote: > > Diana, > Please don't feel that you must apologize or anything..okay? You have just > demonstrated another reason why I must use "G. Lee'' on the net as well as > in storytelling.. I am not a "HER". I am a handsome"hunk of a man" Ha! > Ha!. At least, I like to think I USED to be handsome....G. Lee Hearl > Abingdon, Va. > > ==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > The Augusta County mailing list page has instructions on how to > subscribe and unsubscribe from the list > Visit it at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/augustaquery/augustalist.htm > ***************************************************************

Diana, Please don't feel that you must apologize or anything..okay? You have just demonstrated another reason why I must use "G. Lee'' on the net as well as in storytelling.. I am not a "HER". I am a handsome"hunk of a man" Ha! Ha!. At least, I like to think I USED to be handsome....G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va.

I wanted to forward this wonderfully informative, historical thesis to all of you. I knew that most of you would really enjoy it and would be able to relate it to your own ancestoral research. I want to thank her so much for taking the time to share it with us!! Diana Kinzer Heath .....Garnett Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va. on the Wilderness Road........ THE WILDERNESS ROAD THROUGH SOUTHWEST VA. I read with interest the recently posted speech about the GREAT WAGON ROAD from Pa to N.C. and southwestward and the comment about how busy it was so I decided to bring some attention to a fork in that road at Salem, Virginia, where the Wilderness Road to Kentucky and beyond started.. The first recorded use of this road I have found is in the journal of Dr. Thomas Walkers exploratory trip to Kentucky in 1749.. He was not the first to follow this trail, longhunters and Indian traders had followed this old buffalo path long before Walker.. Sinclair and Stalnaker had followed the trail to where they settled on the Holston waters in present Smyth County, Va., miles from any other settlers.. The Wilderness Road crossed the rugged mountains near Pulaski and Christiansburg and as soon as the first settlers arrived along the river, Engles ferry was established and those moving farther west could cross the river without fear of losing their belongings. >From Abingdon (Wolf Hills), the road followed the trail known as Reedy Creek road to present Kingsport, Tenn.. I can look from the hill where I live and see part of that old road today..and I can walk through the woods and find places where the banks are eight or ten feet high where the pioneer wagons wore the earth away. Daniel Boone has received much credit for blazing this trail through the wilderness but the truth is that the road from Roanoke to Kingsport was well worn before Daniel Boone ever came through Southwest Virginia.. At Kingsport the road crosses the Holston River and turns northwest toward a gap in Clinch Mountain and into Powell Valley and on to Cumberland Gap leading into Kentucky... The first settlers probably had to take their wagons apart to get them into Ky through Cumberland Gap. When Judge Henderson of N.C. traded a bunch of junk to the Cherokees for land in Ky., he hired Daniel Boone to recruit men and clear a road from Powell Valley into the lands of Ky and to build a fort for the settlers he was recruiting to move from N.C. to his settlement.. Again, Daniel Boone has been given credit for building a part of the road to Ky. but Henderson and the pioneers with him were forced to leave their wagons in Powell Valley because the road was hardly more than a bridle path through the woods.. When the government decided to build a wagon road through Cumberland Gap, it is said that Daniel Boone expected to be in charge of the work but didn't get the job..When that road was opened about 1800 it was immediately filled with wagons, livestock and barefoot children moving west. Recently a tunnel was bored through the mountain and a super highway built beneath the land those hardy pioneers trod.. . From: G. Lee Hearl <glh@naxs.com>

Here is what has been said by a Board member and the Archives Project Manager. It isn't "fair", 2 different jobs doesn't make 2 different members! My last word! If you guys think this is fair, you decide, but tell all the CC's these people are being allowed to vote twice. If this had been set up right in the first place, this situation wouldn't come up. Norma >From Ginger: 3. quote: (CCs and SCs) they are allowed to vote for their Archives > > board rep if they are also an Archives volunteer. It's only fair.. since > > the work in the Archives differs from the work of a cc. If a cc is also a file manager for their county, then they could vote in both spots.. for their region as a cc, and for the Archives rep as a file manager. Linda

In a message dated 1/7/99 9:39:00 PM, norie@localaccess.com wrote: << The very next message was in answer to his message and began, "Dear Carol". BTW, LEE is my middle name, me and Marilyn only have our first name in common, believe me!>> Oh, I can relate to this. My first name is MARION, and for some reason, I had always hated it, and didn't realize until a relatively short time ago that my family was engaged in those old naming patterns, and I was named for my grandmother's father's SURNAME. I became aware of it when I was doing family groups on my maternal ancestors, and saw three or four cousins in each generation with MARION as a part of their names. They didn't use them as their given names, either! It could have been worse. I could have been FRANCIS MARION. M. Wayne Montgomery

Guess I should explain who this Coyner was - since it got on the list! I'm finding a lot more Coyner-Coiner variations lately than I'd found previously, also Comer and Conner for Coiner. This branch of the family actually evolved into Coiner. After the Civil War most of the families had adopted a spelling which makes it easier to connect them. Coyner Springs was the project of Big George Coiner, son of George Adam Coiner (1820 spelling) who died in 1820. I think Big George started this about 10 years after his father died. He sold his land in Augusta County (Long Meadows, Fishersville) and went to Botetourt where I think the connection was through the marriage of his son, Jonathan to Mary Swisher. The Swishers were in Botetourt County before 1800 and there is a Knob there named for them. Some of these Swishers (Switzer-Schweitzer) lived in Fishersville. In the Koiner History it says of Big George " he founded the noted Coyner Springs", written in 1892. Doris has been able to find this landmark for me and I am really grateful, I was just having no luck. The author of the Koiner History regarded Big George as quite a dreamer, and it appears he lost a good deal of his initial inheritance if he only had 26 acres left for his 2nd wife, Mary Wren(n) Coiner and their 3 sons, Smith, Samuel and Henry. His sons by his first wife, Sarah Grove, became coal miners it seems. They may have been involved at a higher level, but we know that several of his grandsons were coal miners in WV and MO. I just spent a year and a half working on this family and we wound up with 8 cousins from this branch, all who contacted me during this time. We just kept adding cousins. There were lots of Georges, Michaels, Margarets, Philips, etc. in this family, all named for the Progenitor and his sons, and I find the nicknames very intriguing. George Adam was called George, his son George was Big George and his cousin George was Gentleman George for his 'quiet and mannerly ways'. George Adams closest brothers were Conrad (for his grandfather in Germany) and George Michael who went by Mike to distinguish him from his father who went by Michael. George Michael's son Michael went by that name, as his grandfather died in 1796. Interesting, these nicknames. And why two Georges? Their baptismal sponsor was George Bush, his wife was Anna Bush and the three daughters, born after George Michael, were Anna Elizabeth, Anna Maria (Mary), and Anna Catherine. I can find these Bushes with the family down through the years in PA but they disappear about 1770. Casper Coiner came to VA with his best friend, Nicholas Bush, so the Bushes in Augusta County may be related to those Bushes who helped to name the Coiner family. Norma DVS1119@aol.com wrote: > > I apologize to the list but Norma's mail keeps kicking out on fatal error. > She's looking for this Spring-- > > Coyner Springs > > Located on SR 660 just off US 460 just inside the Botetourt County line eight > miles east of Roanoke. > > Coyner Springs has had many spellings--Coyner, Conner and Coiner. It was a > white elephant to the city of Roanoke, but today it is the site of the Roanoke > City Nursing Home and the Roanoke Juvenile Detention Home. > > The history of the springs mirrors in part the history of the Roanoke area and > dates back to 1770 when John Howard was granted 325 acres. In 1836 George > Cointer acquired 165 acres of the original purchase. He died in 1843 and his > wife retained 26 acres including the springs. > > The springs had only local use until 1851 when Fleming James purchased the > property and built a hotel and cottages. The Virginia and Tennessee Railroad > was built near the resort shortly afterward and, to increase its business, the > company built a station at the springs. > > To attract more patrons, James dubbed the different springs: the White, the > Blue, the Black and Chalybeate--thereby claiming for one resort the virtues > ascribed to many. > > In 1886, the resort was purchased by William Frye, whose son, Dr. William > Frye, was an early Roanoke physician. > > Life at the resort followed an established routine consisting of strolls to > the various springs to drink the water, croquet games, cards and dancing at > night. The cottages were furnished with Spartan severity and the unpainted, > unpapered, glaring white walls and ceilings were cheerless. There was a damp > odor that seemed to permeate everything. > > Along with Blue Ridge Springs, Coyner was patronized mainly by people from the > Roanoke and the southwest Virginia areas. > > By the time of the First World War, the hotel was in bad shape and was torn > down. In the 1920's a New York man tried to revive the area but met with > only slight success. Some years later the City of Roanoke came into > possession of the property, and in 1939 the present nursing home was built as > a tuberculosis sanitorium. The last tuberculosis patient was moved out in > 1956 and the building stood empty until the City of Roanoke established the > nursing home in 1958. > > Today the old resort is peopled by senior citizens and junveniles who can look > out over some magnificent scenery from its 124 acres of rolling hills. > > Doris > > ==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > The Augusta County IRC channel is open Fridays at 7:00 PM EST > to find out more, see the IRC page at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/augustaquery/augustairc.htm > ***************************************************************

Thanks for that Diana, It's wonderful! My husband has Graham as direct ancestors. We go back to N.C. on that line. We really enjoy the history of the times as it helps us understand them better. Bev Portlock

Just a little note about procedures on the Boards...I should have listed them before, sorry! When you are making a post on ANY of the Boards...i.e.Wills, Deeds,Bibles,etc... in the SURNAME block, list ALL of the different surnames that are mentioned in the post. This will index into alot of other surnames and bring more people to our posts. If these people were in contact with our ancestors, there's a big clue that maybe they might have some yet unknown info on those ancestors. Capitalize ALL of the surnames in your posts. As you all post or read the Boards, note any other comments or suggestions you might have in making them the best possible!! Thanks so much!! And I am so happy to see people taking advantage of them. Make sure, too, that you click the block at the bottom so that you will automatically receive any future postings!! Diana Kinzer Heath Miller Surname Boards Administrator

Thanks, to the perseverience and work of Nel Hatcher, the MILLER Surname Boards are up and running. These Boards are for all of the various spellings of the surname MILLER. THANK YOU, NEL!!! There are 7-Boards that are just waiting for your postings. Joan has already begun the queries and I have responded so they are definately up and running! If you have any problems or questions, feel free to contact me!! Diana Kinzer Heath Miller Boards Administrator To go to each particular Board click the following: Query board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerQuery Biographies: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerBios Wills: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerWill Deeds: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerDeed Bibles: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerBibl Pensions: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerPens Obituaries: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/MillerObits