I wondered about that too, Lee. Is that why they drank so much wine in Europe, the water was bad? Or they didn't have enough wells in the cities? Regardless, I certainly appreciate all this history from Neil, it was very interesting. We are constantly reminded there is more to genealogy than names and dates. Norma "G. Lee Hearl" wrote: > > To All: > I do hope the information posted which stated "the early settlers of New > england and Va. had never tasted water" was not meant to be a FACT! Surely > NOT!! > G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va. > > ==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== > **************************************************************** > The Augusta County mailing list page has instructions on how to > subscribe and unsubscribe from the list > Visit it at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/augustaquery/augustalist.htm > ***************************************************************

The petition above this one is dated Oct. 1766 >From Chalkey: "In 1738 Act was passed for giving incouragement for the settling the Frontiers by which the Inhabitants of Frederick and Augusta were allowed to Pay off and discharge the Public County and Parish Levies and all officers' fees in money for Tobacco at 3 farthings per pound. This Act was made perpetual. In 1748, Act passed allowing every minister then, or that should be thereafter, preferred to and Parish 16,000 pounds tobacco and Cask. In 1752, or thereabouts, the Minister of Augusta Parish Petitioned the Assembly setting forth the allowance made by the Act of 1738 was too small to maintain him and Family, for till then he only received his tobacco at 3/4d. per pound, amounting to L50 per annum, ...... Now the Question is whether the Act made in 1738, or that made in 1748, is in Force. And if the latter, how is the tobaccos to be levied and collected. As the Inhabitants pays all their fees and levies in money." We learned in Economics that if coinage or paper money is not available a population will use any readily available but valuable comodity for barter. Many prisons had cigarette economies. Susan in Oregon -----Original Message----- From: macbd1 <macbd1@arthur.k12.il.us> To: VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com <VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: [VAAUGUST-L] Re: Tobacco, hemp and liquor... >To answer one question, it appears that taxes assessed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco' were often actually paid with tobacco.

Norma Lewis wrote: > And from the number of alcoholics in my family, past and present, I think it > runs in the family. > Back in the 50's I was at a service station run by an old family friend one day (he was in his 60's, I in my 20's) when the subject turned to liquor. He said, "Jimmy, I've never taken a drink of liquor in my life. I always loved the smell of it and I knew if I ever took a drink I'd never stop." He's been dead for a number of years and was one of those people you always miss. -- Jim Blease mailto:leds@datasys.net Valdosta, Ga. ICQ #: 19431334

To All: I do hope the information posted which stated "the early settlers of New england and Va. had never tasted water" was not meant to be a FACT! Surely NOT!! G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va.

Re: the posting of "...Thanks for the info!... I have a distant relative who had a license for a tavern and will include this info in the family narrative." I learned one of the inputs to my posting on this subject was paraphrased from a published book: SOME EARLY SOUTHERN SETTLERS by Billie Redding Lewis. Please acknowledge credit to the author if you distribute the following info from my earlier posting: (2) "In researching for my books on SW Virginia I learned that a night in an inn with meals and transportation was not valued as much as a gallon of whiskey. As you know when the Pilgrims came to New England they had never tasted water; same with those to Virginia; however, there were no land conducive to vinyards, or so they thought; so they raised corn and made corn liquor which they used as currency or for bartering. They sometimes used both methods. Sold the whiskey and used the money, but more often they bartered whiskey for something. I have a letter that one of my ancestors said he would settle the bill if the indebted would just send him so much whiskey. When my mother read the letter she was highly indignant until I explained the monetary system of the 17 and 1800s." Thanks to all who provided input, understanding the lives and times of our ancestors is just as important as learning family names and dates, to me (and others), possibly more. Our ancestors were 'real people' who did important things, each in their own way, when building the framework for our great country. Just like you and I in today's world, one vote, one petition or one attempt to 'make a difference' in some positive way, large or small, can indeed help us to collectively build an even better country and society. Neil McDonald It's also important to have a little fun along the way.

I hope someone will post this info to the Augusta County GENweb site. It is good historical data that should be shared. I don't know how to do that, so one of you please follow up. Thanks for the info! I have a distant relative who had a license for a tavern and will include this info in the family narrative. Emily in Alabama, with the windows open enjoying 70 degrees again!

" > Yes Jim, A LOT OF MOONSHINE! > G. Lee Hearl...... Fifty or years ago, if you were cautious about your source, some of the old 'shine was pretty good. Now I wouldn't touch for anything. Evidence that the current younger generations didn't invent stupidity: Some of my college classmates in Mass in the early '50's were curious about the taste of 'shine, so I took a gallon or so back with me at the end of Xmas vacation. I was a minor with a Georgia drivers license, driving consistently well above the speed limit in a car with an expired Mass. license plate. Obviously I was not caught and searched or I would still be in jail. My New Englander buddies so enjoyed the 'shine that I got very little of it. -- Jim Blease mailto:leds@datasys.net Valdosta, Ga. ICQ #: 19431334

"G. Lee Hearl" wrote: > > Jim, > I agree with the statement about it not being much of a beverage!! > In researching my Herrall lines, I have found that I am part English, part > Irish, > part Cherokee Indian all mixed with some Skotch and water!! > G. Lee ------- and possibly a little bit of good moonshine?? -- Jim Blease mailto:leds@datasys.net Valdosta, Ga. ICQ #: 19431334

Norma Lewis wrote: > > I wondered about that too, Lee. Is that why they drank so much wine in Europe, > the water was bad? Or they didn't have enough wells in the cities? > > Regardless, I certainly appreciate all this history from Neil, it was very > interesting. We are constantly reminded there is more to genealogy than names > and dates. > Norma > > "G. Lee Hearl" wrote: > > > > To All: > > I do hope the information posted which stated "the early settlers of New > > england and Va. had never tasted water" was not meant to be a FACT! Surely > > NOT!! > > G. Lee Hearl Abingdon, Va. Years ago, read a glowing testimonial to water and all the essential roles it has in the creation and maintenance of life. A long paragraph and quite moving. The last sentence was: But as a beverage it's a miserable failure. -- Jim Blease mailto:leds@datasys.net Valdosta, Ga. ICQ #: 19431334

Hi all, I have had a couple of questions about the newly installed search engine on the Augusta County page. I have modified the statement to reflect the fact that it does not include a search of the query pages. However, queries may be searched separately by going to the queries page. There is also a separate search engine for the archived mailing list messages available on the opening Augusta page. This is new, and if anyone has any trouble with it, please let me know. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carmen J. Finley finleyc@sonoma.edu Finley Family History database Sonoma State University http://libweb.sonoma.edu/special/finley.html Augusta County, VAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/index.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

To answer one question, it appears that taxes assessed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco' were often actually paid with tobacco. For those who did not grow tobacco, they likely paid with some other crop or equivalency (some apparently even paid with furs or 'bounty-type' pests at times.) Brokers or traders were apparently available who exchanged such commodities 'for cash' or barter. Financial accounting in those days was complex to say the least. See the following for info I have found concerning colonial monetary history: http://www.rootsquest.com/~amhisnet/topic/pamoney.html . (Scroll freely, this article includes other topics such as the VA-PA border dispute, varying land prices, McDonald genealogy and pointers for obtaining books.) As to 'hemp certificates,' such certificates apparently were required of farmers to raise and sell a hemp crop, as marketing of hemp was controlled by the Crown. The Royal Navy used a lot of hemp rope. 'Liquors rated' apparently pertained to the court setting the selling price of various liquors. (I am curious about how liquor was taxed and would like any references to such taxing, the excess of which ultimately led to a so-called 'Whiskey Rebellion' in several areas of frontier states, southwestern Pennsylvania was a primary example.) Following are various responses received to support the above summary. These include interesting information as to the lives and times of our ancestors. (1) Hemp was a crop controlled by the crown, a certificate was required to raise and sell the crop. Hemp was a necessary commodity for shipping and the Royal Navy required lots of rope. (2) In researching for my books on SW Virginia I learned that a night in an inn with meals and transportation was not valued as much as a gallon of whiskey. As you know when the Pilgrims came to New England they had never tasted water; same with those to Virginia; however, there were no land conducive to vinyards, or so they thought; so they raised corn and made corn liquor which they used as currency or for bartering. They sometimes used both methods. Sold the whiskey and used the money, but more often they bartered whiskey for something. I have a letter that one of my ancestors said he would settle the bill if the indebted would just send him so much whiskey. When my mother read the letter she was highly indignant until I explained the monetary system of the 17 and 1800s. (3) PAYMENT FOR TRANSATLANTIC TRIP ABOARD THE SAILING SHIP "AGREEMENT" Be it known to all men by these present that I, John Faulkner of Hogg Pen Neck in the county of Kent in the province of Maryland, Cordwaynder, [A person who makes shoes from Cordovan leather or a shoe maker] **in consideration of three-hundred pounds of tobacco, well and truly paid to me by Richard Fitzallen, the receipt whereof I do acknowledge by these present**, have assigned unto Mr. Daniel Jennifer of St. Maries all my right title, interest claim and demands of and to all those lands and rights to land which are become due unto me for or by reason of the condition of Plan Facon [A french word - fashion, manner, style] of the right Honorable Ceceleus Baltimore, Lord Proprietary Of the province of Maryland, for the transportation of myself and Elizabeth, my wife, and Thomas, Francis, and John, my children, with Eliza Bloxom and Thomas Jones, my servants, into the said Province on or about the twenty-second day of January, 1665, And do hereby, for the considerations aforesaid, assign and make over all my rights, title, interest, claim and demands of, and to all the premises to the said Daniel Jennifer to the only proper use and behold of him, his heirs and assignees forever. As witness my hand and seal this nineteenth day of November, 1665. John Faulkner X /s/ Nicholas Pichard X /s/ Edmond Barton X (4) Counties have Will, Deed, and Order books at their court-houses. The order books tell much info about taxes. Sometimes a road would need to be maintained, the county would tell families who owned land nearby how much they were to maintain, most of the time it was the section that ran along their property. (5) One Jacob Chrisman was fined 2,000 pounds of tobacco for keeping a tippling house without license. (6) The valley Germans differed from their countrymen in the Piedmont also in that they did not grow tobacco as a cash crop. Indeed, as a commodity, tobacco was so uncommon in the valley that the House of Burgesses considered " suffering the Inhabitants therof to pay all public Dues & Officers Fees in Hemp in lieu of Tobacco" (7) They were assessed taxes and fees, and paid in the crops they could or did grow. Sometimes they would pay with such items as even squirrel or crow -- when there were pest-type animals the government wanted to get rid of, it varied from year to year. (8) Chalkey I 1753-4 P.1 To the Worshipful Court of Augusta now sitting: We, the inhabitants of this County, have long felt the smart of the great indulgence the ordinary keepers of this County have met with in allowing them to sell such large quantities of rum and wine at an extravagant rate, by which our money is drained out of the County, for which we have no return but a fresh supply to pick our pockets. We, your petioners, humbly pray your worship to put a stop to the said liquors, which would encourage us to pursue our laborious designs, which is to raise sufficient quantities of grain which would sufficiently supply us with liquors and the money circulate in this County, and lay us under an obligation to pray for your prosperity. ( then follows a list of almost 100 signers) As far as I can figure out, Inns and taverns were regulated by the court. There are numerous reference to "licence to keep an ordinary or tavern" and I have seen lists of prices that can be charged for: a night's stay, an evening meal, stabling and feeding a horse, and various libations. I think this is because the licence made a monoply in a certain area and on his own the licencee might charge exorbident fees to to tired and hungry travelers. Specie of any sort was extremally hard to come by in the colonies. There is a will in Chalkey that mentions both Spanish Dubloons and English pounds. Many debts were settled with the products produced in the area. Someone could then take the product to market and buy what was needed. In Oregon the pioneers had the same problem. They produced a unit called the "Beaver". It was worth the equivalent of one beaver pelt. (9) County courts used to set the price at which certain liquors could be sold. I would think that setting liquor rates would mean setting selling prices.. Soldiers who served during the Indian wars when mustered out about 1754 were paid fifty pounds of tobacco or a specified amount of English money for their service..Apparently there were brokers or traders of some sort who would buy tobacco at any time and ship it to the ports and resell it or ship it overseas at a profit.... -----Original Message----- From: macbd1 <macbd1@arthur.k12.il.us> To: OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com <OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 6:08 PM Subject: Tobacco, hemp and liquor... >Our ancestral Virginia frontiersmen and women in the mid-1700's were sometimes taxed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco.' I'm wondering whether our ancestors actually paid 'in tobacco' (barter) or whether they paid 'in cash' after they marketed their tobacco. If 'in cash' this payment was likely made in Spanish milled dollars (coins) from my study. > >I note within Chalkey's Chronicles many court entries of "Hemp Certificates: (then a list of names.)" Does anyone know what these entries mean? Were these possibly to certify certain ancestral farmers were qualified to market hemp, or did these 'certificates' possibly have something to do with the hemp quality or payments, I wonder. Hemp was used for manufacturing rope, was it used for other purposes such as for bags (like burlap) or other products in those days? > >Many court entries simply state: "Liquors rated." (No names.) I doubt the court was conducting anything like today's wine-tasting (rating) parties.... or, did this more likely have something to do with setting the 'tax-rate,' I wonder. Some of our frontier ancestors didn't like the government over-taxing liquor since this was a higher-priced 'value-added' product from corn -- which was much easier to transport to distant markets than grain or flour. There was a so-called 'Whiskey-Rebellion' in the early 1790's as many of you probably know. > >Can anyone shed more light on these topics? Understanding such entries helps us appreciate the lives and times of our ancestors, not just jotting down names. Responding to the list might be helpful to others but I welcome private responses as well. > >Neil McDonald > > >==== OLD-FREDERICK-CO-VA Mailing List ==== >Search this list's archived messages! >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Whiskey Chalkey I 1753-4 P.1 To the Worshipful Court of Augusta now sitting: We, the inhabitants of this County, have long felt the smart of the great indulgence the ordinary keepers of this County have met with in allowing them to sell such large quantities of rum and wine at an extravagant rate, by which our money is drained out of the County, for which we have no return but a fresh supply to pick our pockets. We, your petioners, humbly pray your worship to put a stop to the said liquors, which would encourage us to pursue our laborious designs, which is to raise sufficient quantities of grain which would sufficiently supply us with liquors and the money circulate in this County, and lay us under an obligation to pray for your prosperity. ( then follows a list of almost 100 signers) As far as I can figure out, Inns and taverns were regulated by the court. There are numerous reference to "licence to keep an ordinary or tavern" and I have seen lists of prices that can be charged for: a night's stay, an evening meal, stabling and feeding a horse, and various libations. I think this is because the licence made a monoply in a certain area and on his own the licencee might charge exorbident fees to to tired and hungy travelers. Specie of any sort was extremally hard to come by in the colonies. There is a will in Chalkey that mentions both Spanish Dubloons and English pounds. Many debts were settled with the products produced in the area. Someone could then take the product to market and buy what was needed. In Oregon the pioneers had the same problem. They produced a unit called the "Beaver". It was worth the equivalent of one beaver pelt. Susan in Oregon -----Original Message----- From: macbd1 <macbd1@arthur.k12.il.us> To: VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com <VAAUGUST-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 4:15 PM Subject: [VAAUGUST-L] Tobacco, hemp and liquor... >Our ancestral Virginia frontiersmen and women in the mid-1700's were sometimes taxed in terms of 'pounds of tobacco.' I'm wondering whether our ancestors actually paid 'in tobacco' (barter) or whether they paid 'in cash' after they marketed their tobacco. If 'in cash' this payment was likely made in Spanish milled dollars (coins) from my study. > >I note within Chalkey's Chronicles many court entries of "Hemp Certificates: (then a list of names.)" Does anyone know what these entries mean? Were these possibly to certify certain ancestral farmers were qualified to market hemp, or did these 'certificates' possibly have something to do with the hemp quality or payments, I wonder. Hemp was used for manufacturing rope, was it used for other purposes such as for bags (like burlap) or other products in those days? > >Many court entries simply state: "Liquors rated." (No names.) I doubt the court was conducting anything like today's wine-tasting (rating) parties.... or, did this more likely have something to do with setting the 'tax-rate,' I wonder. Some of our frontier ancestors didn't like the government over-taxing liquor since this was a higher-priced 'value-added' product from corn -- which was much easier to transport to distant markets than grain or flour. There was a so-called 'Whiskey-Rebellion' in the early 1790's as many of you probably know. > >Can anyone shed more light on these topics? Understanding such entries helps us appreciate the lives and times of our ancestors, not just jotting down names. Responding to the list might be helpful to others but I welcome private responses as well. > >Neil McDonald > > >==== VAAUGUST Mailing List ==== >**************************************************************** >The Augusta County mailing list page has instructions on how to > subscribe and unsubscribe from the list > Visit it at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~vapulask/augustaquery/augustalist.htm >*************************************************************** >

Hello List: My FUNK connection begins at my 5th great grandmother Frainey FUNK (d.aft. 8 Aug 1795); daughter of Jacob FUNK. Frainey married Peter STAUFFER (STOVER) (d. abt 1799) about 1748 and this couple had at least eight children over the period from 1749 to 1768. According to the book, "The American Lineages of the Veach and Stover Families," by Robert Spangler Veach, 1913, Peter STAUFFER, son of Christian, immigrated to the Shenandoah Valley about the year 1749. he bought 438 acres of land, on which he laid out the town of Staufferstadt (or Stover's Town). All the inhabitants were Germans, some of whom had immigrated from Alsace. It was through the inflence of these latter people that Peter changed the name of the town to Strasburg. He had the town established by law in November, 1761. Many old deeds for lots in Strasburg bear the signatures "Petrus Stauffer and Frainey his wife." Peter's will was probated Sept. 10, 1799 and he evidently died in that year at an advanced age. The will was dated 8 Aug 1795, and provides living expenses for his "loving wife Frainey," for the rest of her natural life, which would obviously indicate she was still living when the will was made. Their eight children were: Elizabeth, 1749-1782; m. Jacob BOWMAN Ann, 1752-1809; m. Benjamin STICKLEY Jacob, 1753-1816, m. Elizabeth RUFFNER Joseph, 1755-1819, m. Elizabeth SMITH John, 1757-1820; m 19 Jul 1783, Barbara BURNER (my 4th ggm) Christian, 1759-1817; m. 29 Mar 1783, Barbara KENDRICK Catherine, 1763-1816, m. Jacob KARSHWAYLER Regina, 1768-1814; m. 15 Nov 1788, Phillip SPENGLER Other families connected to Frainey FUNK through descent, marriage and associated family lines include (mostly in the Valley) STEINMAN, GEFELLER, RUFFNER, BURNER, CAVE, BELFIELD, BAUMGARNER, HARMAN, BIERLY/BYERLY, McLAUGHLIN. I would be happy to learn more about Jacob FUNK and Frainey's siblings, (or any other of these lines, for that matter) if anyone has this line on this FUNK branch. Of course, I'm always pleased to share whatever info I have with anyone who has a use for it. Hope this info is useful to someone out there. George Griffin

>Gail said: >>Isaac FLEMING, (FLEMMONS)... He was in McDowell's >>Flying Camp VA Militia, and 4th Regt. VA Militia in the >>War of 1812.... > A War of 1812 veterans list may be searched (free) this month (January, '99) at the following hyperlink: http://www.sierrahome.com/familytree/records/ . Maybe this will help someone. Neil McDonald

To the list: Can anyone tell me if Bos is an abbreviation for Bartholomew? Jenn

Norma Lewis wrote : >Elizabeth Koiner, dau. of Jacob, (son of Casper Coiner, son of Michael and Margaret Diller Keinadt), born 5/12/1831-8/10/1892, md. 5/12/1856 Solomon Funk, son of Joseph Funk, a Mennonite minister, of Singer's Glen, Rockingham County VA. Their dau. Isadora (Dora) md. John Funk, a grandson of Joseph, I believe. Their children, all daughters, were Daisy (1877), Minnie(1878), Edna (1882), Vada (1886) and Beatrice (1889) and a son (1891). > ------------------ In my records I have that Solomon FUNK ( Dec 1825 - 13 Jun 1880) was the son of Joseph FUNK and Rachel BRITTON. Him and his wife, Elizabeth KOINER Funk (2 May 1831 - 10 Aug 1892) are both buried in Singer's Glen cemetery, Singer's Glen, Rockingham Co., Va. In fact, I have pictures of both of their tombstones. Solomon and Elizabeth had two daughters, Minnie and Isadora. Minnie (18 Mar 1857 - 15 Feb 1864) is buried next to her parents. The other daughter, Isadora B. (18 Dec 1858 - 16 Aug 1952) married John S. FUNK on June 5, 1876. John (18 Apr 1847 - 3 Jan 1917) was born in Rockingham Co., Va. the son of Jonathan FUNK and Mary DRIVER. John and Isadora are also buried in the same cemetery as her parents. Their children would consist of the following: 1. Daisy Pearl Funk (17 May 1877 - 28 Sep 1901) 2. Minnie Myrtle Funk (20 Oct 1878 - 10 Mar 1920) 3. Edna I. Funk (5 Jan 1882 - after 1965 ) 4. Vada Elizabeth Funk (26 Jul 1886 - 5 May 1965) 5. Norma Beatrice Funk (7 Jan 1889 - 11 May 1979) 6. John S. Funk, Jr. (4 Aug 1891 - 1984) Daisy, Minnie, Vada, and Norma are all buried there in Singer's Glen too. Edna Funk MASON was still alive and living in Harrisonburg when her sister Vada died. I think if someone looks up on the SSDI they will find the actual death date of John, Jr. I have nice long obituaries on John and Isadora FUNK. The next time I am home in Salt Lake City I will dig them out and post them on the List if anyone is interested. I hope the little bit of information I have provided helps someone out. Gary R. Hawpe.......San Diego, CA

Does any one know the meaning of Chatr. in the following. This is from Friedens Church records and it is a baptismal record. Could it be German for something ? I'm stumped. parents: child: sponsor: p. 11 Johann Ehrman Maria Elisabeth Chatr. 8/1/1793 9/15/1793 Linda

Hi Gene: I'm putting this back on the list to pass this info on to other Funk researchers, I'm not sure I ever posted it on the list. Somebody asked me to cap last names, sorry, I type too fast, don't have time to stop and cap last names. Elizabeth Koiner, dau. of Jacob, (son of Casper Coiner, son of Michael and Margaret Diller Keinadt), born 5/12/1831-8/10/1892, md. 5/12/1856 Solomon Funk, son of Joseph Funk, a Mennonite minister, of Singer's Glen, Rockingham County VA. Their dau. Isadora (Dora) md. John Funk, a grandson of Joseph, I believe. Their children, all daughters, were Daisy (1877), Minnie(1878), Edna (1882), Vada (1886) and Beatrice (1889) and a son (1891). I think if you have Funks in your family this may be a good place to start looking. This family came into Frederick, Shenandoah and Rockingham counties very early. They are a very interesting VA family. Joseph Funk's Harmonia Sacra, among many other hymns and religious publishing is world renown. Solomon Funk was a Baptist minister, as were most of his family. Elizabeth Koiner Funk, however, remained Lutheran and is buried at St. John's Lutheran Church in Singer's Glen. The early name of this place was Mountain Valley, it was changed to Singer's Glen in honor of Joseph Funk. I can't tell you much more than that. I've been in contact with a descendant of Beatrice, who I hope, will publish the prolific writings of this family, especially the music and religious theory written by Joseph Funk. Norma "Eugene L. Atkin" wrote: > > Hi Norma, > > Your refernce to the FUNK family of Singer's Glen in Frederick County > interests me. I have a Mary Funk (1721-1754) who was married to William > TIDWELL and the mother of two sons (at least) Peter and Robert TIDWELL. > I think Mary's father operated a tarvern/inn. Old Frederick County > included modern-day Clarke County, and I had thought from what I know of > where the TIDWELL was, the tavern might have been in or near Strasberg, > but haven't found any evidence. The TIDWELLs (or some of them) were on > the road that today is "Ferry Road" that comes to a shallow place in the > Shenandoah just a quarter mile or so south of the current Highway 7 > bridge over the Shenandoah. > > Gene ATKIN <genea2@juno.com> > Forty Surnames, etc.: > <http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/t/k/Eugene-L-Atkin> > > On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:50:10 -0800 Norma Lewis <norie@localaccess.com> > writes: > >Thank you, Gary - The Koiner History did it again. Let this be a > >lesson to > >anyone who has an old family history, don't take it as gospel. This > >must be > >about 15 people now the Koiner History said "went to the insatiable > >west", or > >California or OH or ? and they were just in the next county. There is > >a vast > >difference between research in the 1800's and now. However, I > >appreciate the > >Koiner History because it took a huge family and put all the branches > >together > >for me and kind of outlined where most people were. It was a huge > >family then. > >Now it would be almost impossible to put all these branches together. > > > >I'll have to check my notes on the Funks of Singer's Glen in Frederick > >County. > >I think Ruth Funk was the product of another Coiner family, but hate > >to say > >for sure until I look at those notes. > > > >How many more little bits of info are you keeping from me, Gary? I > >want them > >all. > >Norma > > > > > >GRH9999@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > Do these folks look familiar to anyone? I'd like to get a bit > >more info on > >> > them. The location may be Rockingham County, Virginia. Thanks. > >> > > >> > Descendants of Michael Alexander Koiner > >> > > >> > 1 Michael Alexander Koiner b: Unknown > >> > . +Wilhelmina B. Earman b: Abt. 1863 > >> > .... 2 Howard Earman Koiner b: Unknown > >> > ........ +Ruth Funkhouser b: Unknown > >> > > >> > Linda > >> ------------------- > >> > >> Here is some additional information on Michael Alexander Koiner. > >> > >> Michael Alexander Koiner (1850 - 1922) and his wife Wilmina Burns > >Earman (1863 > >> - 1934) are both buried in St. Pauls Church cemetery, Weyers Cave, > >Va. They > >> had one son: > >> > >> 1. Howard Earman Koiner (13 Mar 1885 - 23 Oct 1950) b. Near Weyers > >Cave, Va. > >> m. Mattie Ruth Funkhouser (13 Nov 1899 - 24 Mar 1970) on January 3, > >1929. > >> Mattie was b. Shenandoah Co., Va. the daughter of J.D. Funkhouser > >and Laura > >> Pence. Both are buried in St. Pauls Church cemetery, Weyers Cave, > >Va. > >> Children: > >> > >> a. Howard Nelson Koiner > >> b. Charlotte Lorraine Koiner m. Edward Hopkins > >> > >> When Mattie died in 1970, she was survived by seven grandchildren. > >> > >> Gary R. 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I need the help of the list. When I first started doing geneology I didn't write down all the resources that I gathered information from. (I now write down everything). I have searched to find where I found this information and the three marriages listed are not in the Augusta Co. marriage books. Can someone help. All I have written is: Augusta Co. Marriage Records 1756-1783 WILEY, John 1752: 2 WILEY, John 1767:39 WILLEY, John 1776:59 Are the numbers after the year the book they are contained in? Is this enough information to write to the courthouse with? Help, it may solve a big mystery in trying to find John's spouses. Thank you all in advance. Mary MacMartin IL

Looking for three ladies who all married into the Lionberger/many spellings, family, all marrying John Ulrich Lionberger (I, II,and III) Elizabeth Burckholter married about 1700, Barberry Bear married about 1732, and Barbara Boyer married about 1760. I have plenty of information on the Lionbergers, but none on these great grandmother's of mine. Any information would be helpful. All could have and probably did live in the area. I will also share any of the information that I have. Thanks for any help. Sue K.