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AT HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!!! May you have many more. Wanda

Sure, there's nothing wrong with discussing the Civil War in general. This just isn't the list for it. People join this is list specifically to discuss Amherst County history and genealogy. Obviously, the Civil War had some impact on the region and is going to factor into discussions with that aspect in mind, but let's try not to let broader subjects overtake the list. For certain, discussions on modern day controversial subjects such as flying the Confederate flag would be against the policies of the Rootsweb service. We want to keep this a friendly place of research and discussion for those interested in the topic of this list. Thanks Joe D. Deaver VAAMHERS List Adminstrator -----Original Message----- From: Ann Wilmer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 10:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [VAAMHERS] Re: [Spam] VAAMHERS-D Digest V06 #51 I can't speak for everyone but I think most of us who are interested in genealogy are also interested in history, generally -- especially the history that helped to shape the region from whence we came. And we cannot ignore the Civil War or its ramifications. BTW: A.T.'s CSA veteran ancestors are mine, too. Most were poor as churchmice and, so far, we have not found one who owned slaves.

I can't speak for everyone but I think most of us who are interested in genealogy are also interested in history, generally -- especially the history that helped to shape the region from whence we came. And we cannot ignore the Civil War or its ramifications. BTW: A.T.'s CSA veteran ancestors are mine, too. Most were poor as churchmice and, so far, we have not found one who owned slaves.

Ann, you are right on the mark. ALL of my ancestors were in Virginia and PA by the mid 1600's (actually 1635 was the first date) and very early 1700's. I am very proud of what they did to insure you and me of the life we now live. And the heritage we can call our own by freeing us from British rule. We fought each other in the Revolutionary War too. We fought the British and our neighbors who took their allegiance to the King of England very seriously. They were called "Loyalists" but they were Americans. Enough said about the Civil War where Fathers fought their sons and cousins fought cousins and I could go on forever. It was a really Crummy and Stupid war for "States Rights" not entirely for or against slavery. Slavery was the excuse they used. Thanks CUZ and Ann and all the rest who have contributed to this conversation. Fern ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Wilmer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:37 AM Subject: [VAAMHERS] Re: [Spam] VAAMHERS-D Digest V06 #51 >I can't speak for everyone but I think most of us who are interested in > genealogy are also interested in history, generally -- especially the > history that helped to shape the region from whence we came. And we cannot > ignore the Civil War or its ramifications. > > BTW: A.T.'s CSA veteran ancestors are mine, too. Most were poor as > churchmice and, so far, we have not found one who owned slaves. > > > > > > > > > ==== VAAMHERS Mailing List ==== > Thank you, Rootsweb, for making this list possible! > http://www.rootsweb.com > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ennis Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BAC.2ACE/855.1.3 Message Board Post: I would love any information you have on the Ennis's - as I seem to be related to them - trail stops for me with John Ennis in Virginia - things get confusing then.

WITH 10 known ancestral Family Members that served in the C. S. A. HOW would one get more Genealogical & into Amherst History Than to, BEG too remember MY Family members & with due time & Space for each of those who May wish to show the same respect to their Family Members & Heritage, & Contribution to the Building the Wonderful environment for the Compatible Coexistence of so many Fine people who wish to live in harmony & remember their Ancestors & Show pride in their heritage, what so ever that Heritage & Historical Event may be. My Family were in the Area That became Amherst County, Va. In 1761 Many years Before Amherst County was Formed. I was Born there in What is now Peters Hollow in March 1926 THATS right I will be 80 years old MONDAY & I have nothing but Respect For the Genealogical & Historical Memories that Good ole Amherst County Va. Offers My Family Researching Cousins & I. I for one offered no solace for the Institution of oppression, I only BEG to remember & Honor My Ancestors who Happened to Be a part of THE sadist event that has ever happened in ANY COUNTRY, OUR Historical <A CIVIL WAR in any Country > CIVIL WAR. A. T. Powell <[email protected]>

Ok, I think the list has strayed somewhat with the confederate flag discussion. It is a controversial subject when discussing modern day display of the flag. The purpose of this list is to discuss Amherst County, VA genealogy and history. Thanks Joe D. Deaver VAAHMHERS List Adminstrator

Allow displays of battle flags By Ann Coulter There are a few points to be made in defense of the Confederate flag. Despite grandiose revisionist history written by the victors, the Civil War was not exclusively about slavery: It was about saving the Union. President Lincoln wrote to the editor of the New York Tribune in August 1862: "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it; if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Indeed, Lincoln didn't even issue the Emancipation Proclamation until well into the Civil War, largely as a war tactic. Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee opposed slavery and had freed his slaves long before Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation. Lee's men followed him, often hungry and barefoot, because the South was their home - not because they held a brief for slavery. The battle flag never flew over a Confederate building: It was truly a battle flag. Symbols of slavery! ? The American flag or native African kente cloth could more plausibly be said to symbolize slavery than the Confederate battle flag. Slavery was legal under the Stars and Stripes for more than 70 years, far longer than under any of the Confederate flags. Moreover, it is a historical fact that American slaves were purchased from their slave masters in Africa, where slavery exists to this day. Indeed, slavery is the only African institution America has ever adopted. But while some Americans express pride in their ancestors, even though some of them were slave traders, by calling themselves "African-Americans," pride in Confederate relatives is deemed a virtual hate crime. Yet this country's heroic annals are shot through with Southerners - Southerners that former Navy secretary James Webb describes as whispering "and for the South" when pledging their duty to America. It is the South's pride in its valiant military history that the battle flag represents. In his World War II ! account, Citizen Soldiers, Stephen E. Ambrose recalls the amazing feats of Lt. Waverly Wray from Batesville, Miss. With his "Deep South religious convictions," Wray's worst curse was to exclaim "John Brown!" referring to the abolitionist who helped spark the Civil War. One time, Wray single-handedly killed eight German officers by sneaking up on them "like the deer stalker he was." As Ambrose says: "You don't get more than one Wray to a division, or even to an army." There was one like him in World War I, Ambrose reports - "also a Southern boy." Southern bravery This is a shared cultural ethic among all Southerners. Five black marines were posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for mind-boggling acts of heroism that protected their comrades in Vietnam. Three of the five were from the South. The disproportionate number of blacks in the military is a reflection of the disproportionate number of Southerners in the military. Retired Army general Colin Powell concluded there is ! no impediment to a black person being elected president, noting that he received his strongest support to run for president from white Southerners. Slavery is an ugly chapter in this nation's history, but it was not unique to this country, and it was not unique to the South. It is its own kind of bigotry to condemn respectful displays of the Confederate battle flag

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Morrison, Higginbotham Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BAC.2ACE/1346 Message Board Post: I found William Morrison and Thomas Morrison Jr.'s names in Albemarle in 1739 and 1756. Is this the William who died in 1761? Amherst County has about five wills on Morrison family. I have not found them quoted. Are additional family names mentioned in the wills? My brick wall is William Morrison who arrived in Hickman Co., TN with Burris (Bunis) Warren about 1820. Warren notes say he was born in Amherst Co. William Morrison was born in Virginia in 1766. I read the Higginbotham/Morrison relationship in "William and Mary". William Higginbotham, son of Benjamin Higginbotham, came to Perry Co., TN from Elbert Co., GA. Perry Co is next to Hickman Co. Does anyone know Patrick Morrison? He signed a deed in Albemarle in 1751 and is mentioned in "Alexander Brown's Early Settlers List". Is he the Patrick who came To America with his brother James and his cousin, George? George died at King's Mt. if the notes I read were correct. It further said that Patrick had sons James, David, John and William. A little was known about each son except William. The notes said William went to Middle Tennessee and descendants were not known. The other Patrick married Ann Foster, fought in the Revolution and was from Rowan Co., NC. Any information or clues will be appreciated. Thank you. Linda

I'm also a born and bred Virginian although I live in NC now ( only 3 miles from Va. state line though) and 2 of my great grandfathers were in The Civil War along with 2 of my wife's great grandparents, one who died as a POW at Fort Delaware so no one can make me forget my heritage. Bill Bryant ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [VAAMHERS] JUST ASKING??? >A T, > > I am a Virginian and so proud of it. I fly the Battle flag and the > Cherokee > Braves flag along with the USA flag. They are all a part of me and I > will > never be ashamed of my heritage. Times change and so do people. We are > not to > blame for what our ancestors did. > We have every right to fly whatever flag we want. That is what America is > about. > > Jackie > Spirit Seeker > > > ==== VAAMHERS Mailing List ==== > New folks are joining the list everyday. Have you posted your surnames > and/or queries recently? > > >

A T, I am a Virginian and so proud of it. I fly the Battle flag and the Cherokee Braves flag along with the USA flag. They are all a part of me and I will never be ashamed of my heritage. Times change and so do people. We are not to blame for what our ancestors did. We have every right to fly whatever flag we want. That is what America is about. Jackie Spirit Seeker

HEY CUZ, WHAT ever may be thought or said about the Confederate Veterans comes under free speech Rights. BUT Mr. OR MS. Nonthinker, When Officialdom makes the statement that, IF this offends any one WE will remove it, NOW just think, IF it offends ANY one, Officialdom has just relegated those that are connected to the Words that are being Removed to a NON person, THAT is just what I am ticked off at, Being considered a NO ONE WHEN I believe that EVERY ONE should be permitted to HONOR their Heritage. BEING from European Ancestry, I had several of my Migrant & Less fortunate Ancestors who were at one time in their Life Indentured, ?. Slaves & not persons of Color. SO why should I not vent my disgust with Official ACTS that insult me & the many descendants of Confederate Veterans.

Hey Cuz: my CSA Captain was a very worthy individual he did was he thought was right...he definately wasn't a non person... Don't worry about it!!! Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: [VAAMHERS] JUST ASKING??? > > HEY CUZ, > WHAT ever may be thought or said about the Confederate Veterans comes > under > free speech Rights. > > BUT Mr. OR MS. Nonthinker, When Officialdom makes the statement that, IF > this offends any one WE will remove it, > NOW just think, IF it offends ANY one, Officialdom has just relegated > those > that are connected to the Words that are being Removed to a NON person, > THAT > is just what I am ticked off at, > Being considered a NO ONE WHEN I believe that EVERY ONE should be > permitted > to HONOR their Heritage. > > BEING from European Ancestry, I had several of my Migrant & Less > fortunate > Ancestors who were at one time in their Life Indentured, ?. Slaves & not > persons of Color. > > SO why should I not vent my disgust with Official ACTS that insult me & > the > many descendants of Confederate Veterans. > > > ==== VAAMHERS Mailing List ==== > Amherst County Files online! Visit the Amherst County Archives at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/amherst.htm > >

WOW, Who or what turned him on???? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 10:06 PM Subject: [VAAMHERS] ATTENN TO THE SNEAK THIEF MIND SET OF COUNTY OFFICIALDOM > > ________?? Amherst _Viisors- JUST where did the ______// IDEA come from > abt Offending any one, SO now OFFICIALDOM o > Amherst County, Va. Have Branded the & 7 Wilmer Brothers & the > Descendents of SGT. George Frank Powell & Those of George Rodney & Steven > Gordon Johnson, AS NO BODY. THERE are several hundred of US. > > I so often wonder when YOU officials, or if you will ever learn that > the > GREATEST down fall of Human kind is just not knowing > when one of Human kind is WELL OFF. > > I do not fly the Stars & Bars BUT, at the same time I DO NOT > object to ANY one else Practicing their HERITAGE o just where did you > get > the right to Brand the Descendents of Confederate Veterans AS NO ONE. > > The Confederate Symbol has been a part of Amherst Idenity for > 140 years, JUST leave well enough alone. > > I have a Grand Father with a C. S. A. Head stone & a 2nd GRT > Grand Father with a C. S. A . Veteran Grave marker. > > I am proud of those Ancestors, But I would not dare reveal their location > as Some mis guided NIT WIT , would want to desecrate their Resting place. > I am > not a Member of the Sons > of Confederate Veterans, but I believe that they have the same right to > honor, OUR ancestors as ANY ONE else & if a symbol of our Heritage has > been a > part of the County Flag for 140 Years, > > NOW; just maybe there is enough people that you have branded as NO ONE, > too > remember. A. T. Powell, JR. > <[email protected]> > > PS DO YOU remember that fellow Plecker that tried to out law a whole Race > of the original American's??? > > > ==== VAAMHERS Mailing List ==== > Amherst County Files online! Visit the Amherst County Archives at > http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/va/amherst.htm > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Abbott, Fair Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/BAC.2ACE/1345 Message Board Post: can someone direct me to info. on wagon trains that left Amherst and Campbell Counties around 1853? My ancestor, Josiah Davidson Abbott and wife, Sophronia Fair Crouse Abbott and family: daughter, Ann Crouse and son William D. Fair Abbott left Amherst County for California around that year. This family shows in the 1860 Fed. census in SanFrancisco. CA. Thanks

________?? Amherst _Viisors- JUST where did the ______// IDEA come from abt Offending any one, SO now OFFICIALDOM o Amherst County, Va. Have Branded the & 7 Wilmer Brothers & the Descendents of SGT. George Frank Powell & Those of George Rodney & Steven Gordon Johnson, AS NO BODY. THERE are several hundred of US. I so often wonder when YOU officials, or if you will ever learn that the GREATEST down fall of Human kind is just not knowing when one of Human kind is WELL OFF. I do not fly the Stars & Bars BUT, at the same time I DO NOT object to ANY one else Practicing their HERITAGE o just where did you get the right to Brand the Descendents of Confederate Veterans AS NO ONE. The Confederate Symbol has been a part of Amherst Idenity for 140 years, JUST leave well enough alone. I have a Grand Father with a C. S. A. Head stone & a 2nd GRT Grand Father with a C. S. A . Veteran Grave marker. I am proud of those Ancestors, But I would not dare reveal their location as Some mis guided NIT WIT , would want to desecrate their Resting place. I am not a Member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, but I believe that they have the same right to honor, OUR ancestors as ANY ONE else & if a symbol of our Heritage has been a part of the County Flag for 140 Years, NOW; just maybe there is enough people that you have branded as NO ONE, too remember. A. T. Powell, JR. <[email protected]> PS DO YOU remember that fellow Plecker that tried to out law a whole Race of the original American's???